What Does "Not Guilty By Reason Of Insanity" Mean?
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2014
- Claiming the "insanity defense" in fictional courts of law is common and seems pretty straightforward; in real life, it's much more rare and complex. Discover the legal definition of "insanity" -- and how it relates to mental illness -- in this episode of BrainStuff.
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I spent a week in the hospital with post-ictal psychosis brought on by epilepsy. I thought my whole family was going to die in a fiery car wreck and generally started acting very strangely. Long story short, the ambulance took me to the hospital, but I wouldn't let my husband ride along (see "fiery car wreck" above). I had to be strapped to a hospital bed or else I would escape. I did escape a couple times and they had to come and find me.I threw a bottle of hand sanitizer at my sister and tried to kick a doctor in the nuts. After that happened, I remember thinking, why are there so many big guys wearing black in my room? Then I realized they were security guards. But after a week my psychosis wore off and they sent me home.
That is extremely scary to not be in control of your thoughts
Good explanation. I've often wondered how easy it is to be declared "insane" compared to the media portrayal of it.
It took me the entire video to realize they were the same person O_o
They?
@@ConsiderTheCrows dun dun DAAAAAAN
That ice cream cone through the seriousness of this subject out the window
well presented, thanks
To say that mental health and neurodevelopmental disorders is not the cause for criminal behaviors is too broad.
Short answer is that most mental health and neurodevelopmental disorders is not the cause for criminal behaviors, but long answer is that mental health and neurodevelopmental disorders is the cause for criminal behaviors, but it depends on what mental health and neurodevelopmental disorders we are talking about.
The problem is that there are a lot of mental health and neurodevelopental disorders and each mental health and neurodevelopmental disorders are not the same to each other.
Statistically, most people with mental health and neurodevelopmental disorders are more likely to be victims than being perpetrators. There are however small-subgroup of people with mental health and neurodevelopmental disorders that commit crimes.
There are however some mental disorders that is related to criminal behaviors, it includes specific command hallucinations, specific delusions of paranoid and grandiose themes, and Erotomania, specific pathological jealousy , but criminal behaviors is more related to Distributive, Impulsive Control and Conduct Disorders, especially Antisocial Personality Disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder and specific Paraphilic Disorders. About Bipolar Disorder, criminal behaviors is more associated with Distributive, Impulsive Control and Conduct Disorders, and specific Paraphilic Disorders. Symptoms of Bipolar Disorder includes impulsively and risky behaviors.
About Communication Disorders and Autism Spectrum Disorder, criminal behaviors in Communication Disorders and Autism Spectrum Disorder is mostly related to lack of social skills, not out of maliciousness or sadism.
Sources:
www.mentalhealth.gov/basics/mental-health-myths-facts
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK396481/
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK537064/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16485220/
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5742412/
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK562279/
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK470238/
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Personality disorders can cause delusions if it is so severe.
It's important to remember that most people with mental health and neurodevelopmental disorders are more likely to be victims than being perpetrators.
One thing that scared me is I watched murder mysteries, Most Evil and those documentaries explains how delusions motivate those types of serial killers. Most of those serial killers were found NGRI, but some of those killers where found guilty at first, after some time in prison, their delusions became worse and they were also found NGRI as well. I think it's because to be a serial killer, you need to be very intelligent and especially to cover your tracks, and another reason why some of those killers were found guilty at first, it is because they seem to know right from wrong, by the judge asking simple questions, if they understand the charges, some of those delusional killers said that they do, but were later found NGRI after being found sane. Another thing that scared me is slander case, one of them were found guilty, but I heard they they were also civility committed.
It's like an isolated link between specific types of mental health and criminal behavior. Because, there is such thing as Insanity defence, incompetence, diminished capacity.
The scary thing is that when I watched documentaries of people becoming serial killers, they start to have a fixed, false belief of whom they are targeting and why. I asked my mom why when people kill three or more innocent people, something about their beliefs is delusional, and she explained to me that they have personality disorders that causes delusional thinking and that no one without those types of personality disorders would want to do that to innocent people.
Those personality disorders are Antisocial Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder, with symptom of delusions.
Those serial killers that got NGRI were diagnosed with personality disorders, with delusions as a symptom.
Those are videos documented by Dr. Stone, a foransic psychiatrist.
I wonder if I am correct.
Article:
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/captivating-crimes/202006/serial-killers-insane-or-super-intelligent
I don't really think it has to do with being a savant per say, being a serial criminal and hurting innocent people is very unhealthy, because you start to twist your fantasies and then act on your thoughts, making delusional excuses why you became a serial criminal and hurting innocent people. It's reasons that a very healthy individual, individual without personality disorders that causes twisted fantasies will not understand. There is no good reason to hurt innocent people repeatedly, and it's not healthy.
I don't really agree with one thing from that article. Becoming a serial criminal, and hurting innocent people can cause delusions. There is no good reason to hurt innocent people repeatedly. There is some kind of twisted paranoid fantasies and explanations those types of criminals make after they are cought and interviewed. It's just very unhealthy.
The term of legal insanity is problematic, because delusional criminals can understand the criminal charges against them, but were not tested accurately, and of course they do understand the criminal charges against them, they are adults, but the question of legal responsibility comes when there is even more evidence to suggest that they are delusional.
I think that definition of Not Criminally Responsible should be:
1) Irrational understanding of the consequences of their actions, due to severe neurodevelopental disorder
2) Might understand the nature of their actions, but had command hallucinations
3) Delusions clouded the judgments to make right legal decisions.
Although insanity defence is rarely successful, I am sure there are a little bit more people that are in prison but should be NCR.
The problem is that when it comes to people who function well in society and have higher intelligence and are good at manipulation, that doesn't preclude you from having delusions. When it comes to Schizophrenia, you would not be good at manipulation, because negative symptoms of Schizophrenia is also visible, and you don't really function well in society.
Another problem is that having higher intelligence can be one aspect that you understand the nature of your actions, but that doesn't rule out delusions either. That is why the legal definition for insanity is problematic when it comes to people with delusions but have higher intelligence.
I have been wondering if some people are supposed to be NCR, they committed killing and hidden and bodies, but not because they understand the consequences of their actions, but because they don't want anyone to interfere with their delusions. Those types of delusional criminals are very intelligent, but hiding the bodies for the most part is an indacator that you know right from wrong, but in extremely rare situation, that is not always the case. As I watched those documentaries, most of those delusional criminals are very intelligent.
But those documentaries I watched is a little bit old, the reason why it's old, it's because those cases are rare, and statistically most people with mental health and neurodevelopmental disorders are more likely to be victims than being perpetrators.
I am sorry that I made a long paragraph. I hope you know what I mean.
Generally legal insanity is "had no concept that what they did was something wrong", "didn't even know what they were doing" or "felt forced or compelled either by voices or other to do it"
Ah, as explained in the video.
Lol I love the ice cream cone in the back ground:)
Uncanny Star-Lord yo face
the ice cream cone and the "twin" dont add anything to this video.
We have "Diminished Responsibility", it is pretty much decided by a doctor and the verdict can be instructed by the judge. We have such light sentences and easy prisons that it is not really a common defence though. Ian Brady did get refused a transfer on the grounds that he is "Insane" to quote the courts though so maybe we do have insanity as a separate finding.
It’s also important to note for people watching this that Not guilty by reason of insanity doesn’t mean the person’s going to go free right away. Usually they’ll be remanded into the care of an in-patient forensic hospital for treatment until they are deemed fit to stand trial.
Yeah, you could also end up being put there permanently over a crime that would have only gotten you 10 years in prison and a few years of probation, a "sane" murderer can get out of prison faster than one who was not guilty by reason of insanity.
@@whenindoubtmutemyownmouth5180 yeah it’s not the easy way out, it just sounds like it is.
@@TahtahmesDiarywhy would that be the case? If someone at the time wasnt aware, didnt intentionally do it. and lets say 5 years later fully recover. Why the fuck would we still keep them? Pointless. Let alone drug episodes are another example. All it takes is one bad episode and boom your life is over. or schizophrenic episodes which can run thru your family. Lets be VERY REALISTIC. All mental disorders come from the environment around us especially stress and other shit. We can’t ignore that and throw away humans that we break and not expect it to keep happening. Current mental health should be important and improving and releasing should be the main focus of people not right in the head.
@@bra1nsnackThis country disagrees with people like you and I because the system makes a lot more money by institutionalizing and pushing pills. There is a clear conflict of interest because if people actually recieved help, there would be no more money to make off of people's suffering
@@HKIHNDKNSI True as fuck. Out of everything we got even crazier shit then this that ppl arent even aware of. No better word than sheep
that scared me like crazy!!
thank you so much this is about to save my life
Did it?
Amazing presentation, I loved it.
I think everyone should acknowledge that the thing to consider is not if someone guilty was insane or not. Insanity does not make you more or less guilty. Everyone has reasons for their crimes and the thing that matters is not whether the reason is a brain tumor or hate. We understand that a brain tumor can be a cause of the criminal behavior, but we don't understand hate. Hate has it's own causes, which can sometimes be traced for example to the criminals childhood. What's important to note is that there certainly are some causes for the hate, which weren't up for the criminal to decide. This means it's just like the tumor.
What matters is will the person commit a crime again if released, and what are the most constructive ways to help the criminal to rehabilitate to society, if possible. Of course dangerous people have to be locked up, but don't think they "deserve" it. Instead of hating them, you should feel sorry for them, because if you were in their shoes, you would do all the same wrong actions.
tumor? what are you talking about
Your editing got u a sub
I appreciate the creativity and tongue-in-cheek approach to the subject, but damn, this was hard to watch. Lol
Do they have to meet all three or only one or two?
Great video! Kinda made me tweak
It's not NGI anymore, at least not in some states. It's Not Guilty Due to Mental Disease or Defect. Incredibly difficult to get this type of disposition.
seeing video makes me think what have i been eating lately to see this.
But the big question is why does some of these "insane" people go free after committing these crimes. If they were found insane and they did not intend to commit the crime, they should still be locked up in a rehab or mental institution to prevent them from committing the crimes again, since obviously they can't handle being in public.
Truck93 They don’t “go free” they actually are put in a mental institution and if they are released they have very strict conditions they have to follow. I have had clients “prefer” to just go to jail because of all the work they have to do when deemed NGRI.
They’re not released. They’re remanded to care in an in-patient psych hospital until they are deemed fit to stand trial. Usually the stay in the hospital would be longer than their prison sentence.
They stay in the hospital forever or until a doctor says they are no longer dangerous.
@@mrsoul680thats not hard to do😂😂 if your genuinely insane, and come back from it. You damn well are gonna be nice as fuck and acting like a normal human
They 100% do NOT go free after committing a horrific crime.
Not intentionally doing something is also referred to as 3rd degree, such as murder; for example killing someone in a car crash that jumped out in front of you without leaving enough room to avoid hitting them
3rd degree depending on state. In some states 3rd degree means something else and manslaughter is counted separately. I know Minnesota for example considers murder in the 3rd degree as basically just killing with intent to kill but not pre meditated but separates it from manslaughter
What you described is an unavoidable accident so it’s no crime at all.
Was anyone else automatically looking over their shoulder when Ben's clone disappeared from view and the lighting went all weird? Or was it just me?
What happened to bond court gave it up more money with this?
0:40 LOL, talking ice cream
What talking ice cream?
are they the same person?
Ben has a third eye in this vid.
either that or he is really a girl hindi and married ...no offence intended
***** No, he has four
anyone else here after a mental breakdown bc u spent a bunch of money on college but you can't attend bc corona and if you fail the class, financial aid will be less likely to help u pay but you're broke and you really need the money so you tried to use all your resources first but they weren't helpful and your test is due at 11pm tonight and you're still confused
so this goes on repeat, yes?
It’s so weird how people think “insanity” means “totally gets away with everything” when it really is just the difference between guilty so going to jail for life or a mental hospital for life.
I pled NGRI because my lawyer told me that it didn't mean I myself am "insane" but that what happened to me was insane.
I was sent to a forensic center for a 60 day evaluation, and then allowed to go home because the doctors said what happened to me was a result of ingesting too much marijuana.
lol you got me in the first half ngl
4:43 Question, He Ben ... when do you and your double do a great conspiracy so we can enjoy it like ... uh ... before the sea of Classics
Hey JWPemperor - we are going back to 1 classic/week and 2 new videos. Check our channel tomorrow, when we'll have a new one on fraternal orders and Wall St.
Does anybody see giant talking ice-cream???? or am i really nuts?????
What about the defense of "Not Guilty by reason of temporary insanity"? Does that actually work in law and open up a whole new can of worms or is it made for TV
It's a valid and successful defense, albeit rare.
It works fully, as the criminal must be deemed crimically/medically sane at the time of the crime for them to be convicted for it.
If they are successful in their defense, they still get "locked up". It will be in a psychiatric hospital.
When someone goes to jail or prison they often get a release date, unless it was murder or something very serious then it will be life.
When you go to a hospital you go indefinitely. The doctors and judge get to say when you'll be released. It can be several weeks to many years.
You know i do not much trust this legal system of justice. I don't know much about U.S. but here in India things are not good at all. Watched the movie "CHANGELING" a few weeks before I must say things here are a bit like that. The video is informative but upsets the mood.
Uh... OK. that scared me.
you don't go to jail but you don't go home you go to the hospital you might get more time than what the offering was you have to go to court after you go to the hospital the hospital can keep you there till you are so you have to think befor you take this plea you might never get out of the hospital and if you do get out of the hospital you still have too go to court and face your charge for the crime you gain nothing buy doing this thanks
I find the noise and images make this video impossible to watch.
Teaching, by reason of insanity.
Came here from apple crack.
"AppleJack? You have commited crimes againts equeastria! How do you pleed?"
"Not quilty by the reason of insanity"
So if someone broke into my house and harmed, my pets, causing me to have a mental breakdown and well turn them into an example of the after effects of medieval weaponry used with creativity
Bro, you would not be charged for defending your family from a murderous intruder. Are you serious?
@@groovydeathUnless you live in a blue state
Should it not be "guilty by reason of insanity"?
did anyone else see the purple ice cream cone .... no ..... just me ?... ok
Im not guilty by reason of insanity
Hitler: "The voice in my head told me too"
why does this feel like a clone video
You scared me lol😥😰
Piemations applecrack?
Stop scaring us!
They say the get out of jail free card doesn’t exist.
Out of jail, into the looney bin to dance the thorazine shuffle
ace attorney?
Okay, guys.Who clicked on the video because of the giant ice cream with eyes and a mouth?
I have voices in my head that make me want to hurt people but i am not like the crazy killers i never would hurt anyone
Rebuke those voices in the name of Jesus and watch them get nervous, then KEEP doing it, they might even mock you, but just watch, they'll go away. It might be hard to believe, but trust me, it does work.
Boss Bunny thank you
Then, that means your psychosis isn’t as severe as some other cases. Mental illnesses exist on a spectrum. Your case isn’t the same as my family member’s case who ended up murdering someone else in my family due to a severe psychotic episode from untreated schizophrenia.
Was that your twin brother?.....lol
Every pancake has two sides. You do evil,
that is you, and not another - the prosecution
will argue. No matter how you flip it, it is still
a pancake.
This guy is strange... Why does there have to be two of him talking... It's awkward when he tries to be funny and talks over his other "clone"...
super symmetric zip or what? :P
Whoa! So delicious! (First?)
What exactly was the point of making this video goofy? Who is your intended audience?
12 year olds plotting against their families ? I don't know, beats me
hope ynw melly beats the case
We WANT lunatics to have something wrong with them because the idea that someone with all our present mental faculties can do some of the scary stuff some people have done makes us uncomfortable.
Wait so I'm still responsible for all the bullshit I do during a manic episode? That's not fair.
@@saltysprixels9115 One
If you know what you’re doing, then yes.
honestly i came from the goofy video
I still think the whole insanity debate should be gotten rid of as any excuse. People could use it as defense and it would let more people off as it would convict people that need mental help.
I think you have watched to much movies. I don't think it's so easy to get stated mentally ill. And usually it does not help you. You can decide between prison or hospital. I don't think a hospital for mentally ill people is much better.
oggi mog Depends on your view point. While I agree with you, others may not.
ellock1998
What do you mean by viewpoint? It's a matter of statistics and laws, what happens in cort.
I don't know how the actual statistics are.
Touchet
Ok ;) thats true.
buut, its not a viewpoint^^
I'm scared
Of what
If intent is a fundamental requirement to be convicted of a crime then why is manslaughter illegal?
+Max Elkin Usually in manslaughter cases you still have to commit another crime or be reckless and someone else dies as a result. So maybe you intended to drink and drive, but someone dies as a result.
When someone kills someone because they were drunk driving/texting while driving, or when a parent kills their child on accident by leaving them in the car, etc. although they did not intend to kill the person, they were intentionally reckless. It's no secret that drunk driving is dangerous and puts the driver and others on the road in danger, that driving while texting is dangerous, and that leaving a child unattended is dangerous. If you intentionally do something that could harm others, and it does, that deserves punishment.
Max, I’m a criminal lawyer. Mens Rea is a fundamental element of every crime. Mens rea is Latin for “guilty mind” and it includes things like recklessness, where you know you are engaging n risky behavior but you do it anyway. If you do that and kill someone, that’s a crime.
Crime is insanity,
fire the producers and directors
We'll get right on top of that.
lol
If someone tells someone to kill someone else, it’s still wrong.
Why should it matter if the voice is real or fake?
How does being insane make that person any less responsible, and how does it make that person any less of a danger to society? If it was temporary insanity due to reasons outside of their control, and they can safely say the person is unlikely to fall into that insanity again, then sure… but if the person’s just insane, then why do we coddle them? I very much dislike this concept, because I’ve heard of many cases of guilty people being let off for horrific crimes using this defense
You clearly didn’t listen to the video. INTENT. That’s your answer to why it makes someone responsible or not. It’s not just the act itself and whether it was done that determines a guilty sentence. The characteristics of the perpetrator and other circumstances that led to the offense have to be considered. That’s been a fundamental part of Western justice systems for well over a century, and because most people in the United States are not educated on the constitution, the legal system, and human rights, most people think justice is retribution, and it’s not. There HAS to be intent in order to be found guilty. If someone is criminally insane, then they’re so mentally impaired where they did not know what they were doing or they acted on a completely uncontrollable impulse - no intent behind the action and it was done from an illness completely beyond their control - therefore they are not criminally responsible. It’s also a misconception that people are “let off” by using this defense. It gets abused by people who are actually not insane and the media tries to glorify that, giving a false impression of how often it’s used. Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, etc. all tried using the insanity defense, but it failed because they actually weren’t insane. Just using the plea alone doesn’t mean it will actually be successful. It’s such a rarely successful defense, so if it IS successful, it was legit - there was undeniable evidence that the defendant was indeed insane.
In fact, statistically, it’s more likely that people who are actually insane end up getting a false negative and are wrongly sent to prison - especially people from disadvantaged communities.
People who commit a crime who are legally insane go to mental hospitals to receive treatment. They’re rarely let out since most of them never reach a state of recovery where they’re of sound mind. However, there are cases who have been able to get out through a court order, and there are VERY strict conditions that come with that. So, at that point, they’re no more of a danger to society as anyone else as long as treatment is adhered to and they’re strictly monitored.
If you want an example, this exact thing happened to a family member of mine who was found legally insane after murdering another person in my family. They had severe schizophrenia and were in the middle of a severe psychotic episode when it happened. They went to a mental institution before, but they dropped the ball and let them out early without adequate evaluation and treatment. Ultimately, once they were stabilized and got out, they were able to live independently despite life being VERY difficult after that, and they never murdered again. I never felt unsafe around them, and neither did any of my other family members.
It's pure BS. Shouldn't matter, if you're dangerous, you're dangerous.
It’s not that simple at all.