NVIDIA... Stop trying to trick consumers! (RANT)
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- NVIDIA has been trying this over the years and they need to understand that they cannot keep trying to trick consumers like this!
Sponsored Links
Get an iFixit kit for yourself or someone you love at - amzn.to/3IDDkj9
Help support these videos bu getting your JayzTwoCents Merch Here! - www.jayztwocents.com
○○○○○○ Items featured in this video available at Amazon ○○○○○○
► Amazon US - bit.ly/1meybOF
► Amazon UK - amzn.to/Zx813L
► Amazon Canada - amzn.to/1tl6vc6
••• Follow me on your favorite Social Media! •••
Facebook: / jayztwocents
Twitter: / jayztwocents
Instagram: / jayztwocents
SUBSCRIBE! bit.ly/sub2JayzTwoCents 
Наука
The reason why they call it a 3050 6GB instead of calling it a 3040 is easy: To mislead people that aren't very tech savvy into thinking their OEM PC is better than it really is.
captain obvious award of the year over here 😂
@@elpoderosasoStill 150 likes so imagine the average viewer 😂
@@elpoderosaso god job captain know it all. Now go back to study in a nice way
@@elpoderosaso We appreciate your input General Sarcasm!
As general of peace i want you guys to get along
Someone should start a site where the cards are renamed adequately. A chart if you will. So that normal people can just look and see exactly where the cards truly fall in line. And the same for cpus.
YES THIS 110%
You can do that with the dies. 4090 should be 4080 with the 102. 4070 should have the 103, 60 should have the 104, 50 should have the 106, and under that like a 3030 for that new 6GB card.
take Nvidia's 40 series and 30 series cards, subtract 20 from the model number and you have what the real model should be at a 2 tiers above what it should be price point
if user benchmark was honnest and accurate that would be it... BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT.... No
I generally use passmark for this.
I've been buying nvidia cards for ~20 years. Their rampant predatory marketing with the 40 series pushed me to buy my first AMD card, the 7800XT. No regerts.
Nice I heard their drivers improved.
For VR I would also say improved. Works well with index and quest 2
However for blender, AI, CAD workstation, and ray tracing. Nigreddia still leads, but like you I happen to not care about to much.
How is their marketing preditory? Ya'll keep buying GPUs day one which signals to them that they're giving people what they want.
Same
@@AnonymousUser-ww6nsI got a 7800XT back in early December and yes, it was super buggy in certain games and it hated to work with DX12, resulting in many video driver timeouts and CTDs. I just got back to gaming on PC two weeks ago and haven't had a single problem since.
Just because people are dumb doesn't mean NVIDIA isn't predatory. The fact is they intentionally mislead customers into thinking they are getting a better product than what they receive and on top of this they price gouge their consumers.@@Overlord277
This industry needs more competition
I struggle to think of an industry that DOESN'T need more competition. But the thing about competition in capitalism is that to truly compete to the fullest, you have to buy out your competition. So when it gets that competitive, it's self-defeating
Competition is there, the problem is that people STILL give Nvidia their money!
We have it, but then people scream "I need my Ray Tracing 4k 60..." and you are left with Nvidia. Or its I want my DLSS, or my this stupid thing or that stupid thing. Whenever people suggest something else, they find another reason to hide behind the Nvidia marketing shield.
@@davet.3901 Its really not. Amd cards have idle power draw issues that make them more expensive than nvidia cards via your power bill while also being way less performance. The only cards that even came close to competing were intel on the extreme low end with you swallowing the some games randomly won't work on your pc pill. I pray intel battlemage can save this garbage industry or maybe AMD can do what they did on the cpu side of things.
@@Fine_i_set_the_handle aaaah yes the old tale, weirdly enough this never comes up when Nvidia is the one with the higher idle draw. Besides, you have any proof for that claim? Because the last time I checked the IDLE usage of e.g. 7900 XT/XTX was pretty much on par with the 4080/90.
I just checked a review from 31st of Jan about the 4080 Super and they're pretty much the same.
Let's not forget that the 3050 was a *trash, joke card* to begin with when they launched it. It barely matched the performance of the 1660 Ti (a card with a $279 MSRP). They really had the audacity to go take said trash card and make it even more trash.
To put it in perspective, they're basically making a card that's going to fall somewhere between a 1660 and a 1660 Super ($219-229 MSRP).
Honestly, AMD aside i would even feel more comfortable buying an Intel GPU rather than the original 3050. This "new" 3050 is a joke that shouldn't exist or at least should be 25% cheaper. For the Same price you can get an Arc A580, the difference in performance makes it worth the driver hustle that will come with it
yes in germany u can get an used 2060 ofr under 150 Euros, yes its used but still cheaper for better performance. the whole 3050 makes zero sense and custoimer should avoid to buy it
Gotta play the market back in dire times. Support the techs when the corporations are acting up. We snagged an refurb 3050 before the christmas '23 gouge kicked in (mid oct) for 209. It has without a doubt filled void for our decision to wait another year to leave 1080, and freed up a hundo or so for the overall system upgrade leaving in incredibly good shape for next gen cards.
Sons pc is blasting the Skull & Bones beta with said 3050, max everything + rt on at 1080/60. It really does have a place in the market, just not for those feeding the beast. 🤷♂️
I agonized long and hard to upgrade from 1660ti, after an early year deals on a 4080 prebuilt and Oled 4k, not looking back for awhile, but entertained by youtube rants, well played Nvidia.
The RTX 3050 has less performance than a GTX 980
"The more you buy, The more you save."
"Look at how heavy it is!"
-Jensen Huang.
swoosh
Jen-sen is the sound effect.
Moore's Law is probably, currently, running at about two times
@@AgentSmith1902 Yeah Jensen saying Moore's Law is dead is the dumbest thing he's ever said. AMD is moving forward a lot each gen with Ryzen CPUs, I know graphics cards aren't CPUs, but computer components clearly have more room left to go forward.
@@mttrashcan-bg1ro It cracks me up whenever I see Niktek's meme video of him hahahaha
Early 2000s a mid-level card was $150. I miss those days.
Even more recent than that. When I got the 7870 gigahertz edition in 2012, it was the fastest non-titan class card on the market. I got mine off Newegg brand new for $380. A flagship card for under 400 bucks.
The naming scheme reminds me of the story between A&W and McDonalds. A&W sold a 1/3lb burger for either the same or less price than McDonald's 1/4lb burger but because people are dumb they assumed 1/4 is bigger than 1/3 because 4 > 3 🙄
How is that a scam? Sounds like people are just stupid
@@cdude665 Where did they say it was a scam? Yes people are dumb.
@@TheOriginalCoda Because he refers to a similar situation as to where restaurants were presumably naming things a certain way in order to sell less of a product....He's implying that it is a scam and I ask how is that a scam. Like how does this need to be explained? Go enjoy your 1/4th burger buddy
@@cdude665no... He's saying that they tried to undercut McDonald's, but people only took the numbers at face value, so it didn't work.
*American people
At the $170 price point, going to Ebay and buying a used graphics card seems a far more attractive option.
I'd agree for the full height models, they need to be sub $150 to make sense. Just get a used RX 6600 for $130 to $140. But for the LP models, it think the price point is good. That's about what I spent for a brand new 1050 Ti LP when they came out. That's about what the 1650 sold for new, and still continues to sell for on the used market. At least this should be a good margin faster than the 1650 with a little more VRAM for the same price.
you can get a 1080 for 150usd or even RX6600XT for that
2080ti is $320 and smashes a 4060ti and beats a 3070ti STILL in all specs, VRAM, and real world performance...that shows just how pricy and ridiculous their last 2 gens have been priced
Even if you don’t want to go used, $10 more will get you a new in box RX 6600 last time I checked (Microcenter).
@@jameslake7775 Yep, even Amazon has a Powercolor model for about $190.
What's extra frustrating is this is on a budget card to make it seem less budget. Basically taking advantage of people with less cash to make it seem better than it is
They would sell literal bricks for 1000 bucks. It's on us consumers to look through their lies. COMPANIES ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS!
ironically that's what i consider to be recent 40 series, they look and built like bricks and official value is probably 20% of what they actually ask for them atm, but ai craze sells, so there is that
your 4090 probably cost 200-300 to build in a first place, yet they ask 1600 for them and now there is a 300-400 mark up because of the so called china ban, china is on the brink of collapse and most ppl can barely afford food there, you really think they need 4090's? lol
Hal, i can't do that. Hal?
@@r3tr0c0e3 I'm totally fine with them have a 90 tier card at that kind of price for people who want them, as $1600 isn't that ridiculous when Titans were $1200 a decade ago. However, the 80 tier cards should never breach the $1000 mark. All this mark up bullshit shouldn't happen either, something isn't worth more because it's rare, that's a scam created god knows how long ago that gets so many people.
Eat the rich means nvidia too, yes
Glad to see You back Jay. Hope your health is better my friend. We all love Ya and appreciate all You do for the PC Community! God Bless
Laptop 4090 is a 175w 4080, but they called it 4090 so they could charge more for it.
That's been going on for quite some time. The laptop I bought over a decade a go has a 460M, which is the laptop equivalent of the 420 desktop card.
No. Laptop is always much slower than Desktop. so 4090 match 4080 is just fine. The issue is the price is the same as 4090. If you want raw performance, go with a desktop PC.
@@KelvinKMS not 10 series. every laptop 10 series laptop was actually a desktop card at the same tier, the 1070mq, which was the lower wattage version, was actually a 1070ti die that was downclocked for the wattage cap but had the bigger core to balance the performance.
if the cooling could handle it, they would actually perform within 10-20% of desktop same tier. and at around 50% of the power usage
@@bradhaines3142 1000 series really was an engineering marvel. desktop and laptop gpu performance parity and the 1080ti was significantly faster than its predecessor (980ti)
Yeah, laptops do have wattage limits and cooling. So 4090 laptop is just saying this is the max you can get because even then it’s questionable and depends on your cooling solution, in most laptops after a few min the card will thermal throttle and perform like a 4080 laptop GPU but with more ram. I went for the RTX 5000 ADA because I need raw compute for short bursts instead of the 4000. That said it is still very impressive that I hit 4070 desktop gaming performance at 145w on a quadro card with non gaming drivers.
This is one of many reasons I refuse to use NVIDIA. AMD has their own issues but NVIDIAS reoccurring sleaziness rubs me the wrong way....
NVIDIA - Generally good hardware, but pricey.
AMD - Rubberbands between better and worse than NVIDIA, cheap, but sometimes have weird compatibility issues. (RX 5700 XT was notorious for being defective)
Haven't really had any compatibility issues and I've been using AMD since the ATI X700 pro lol
@@asialsky 5700XT notorious for being defective?
Obligatory 'not on my system'.
@@asialsky Nvidia doesnt offer good hardware value. They intentionally give less vram then amd to force people to upgrade often
Both companies release bad products just as often though. The recent 5700 non x for example sometimes being slower than a 5600
Congratulations to 4mil subs!!! Awesome!!!
Ouch.. The 3050 is already significantly slower than a 1070 or 2060. Last couple generations are going backwards at mid and low tier.
The amount of people I've seen claiming just ridiculous things is just insane. Look at some benchmarks, the 3050 beats the 1070 in every case I've seen. It's slower than a 2060 for sure, but a regular 2060 is a lot faster than a 1070.
@@mttrashcan-bg1ro benchmark sites are not trust worthy as it's an perfected simulation vs reality where heat energy and pc build really matter and clocks
I am always so relaxed by the never ending heaven loop jay leaves running the background of his rant videos.
Lest we forget, there's the 3060 8Gig as well which is 15-20% slower than the 12Gig model.
and where a 1080 non TI was still better than a 3060 lol and cheaper to get used from someone.
@@esko911 The performance between the two are negligible at best. so yeah if you don't care about RTX there's no reason to upgrade and like you said it's a lot cheaper to get it used
@@chandlerbing7570 This is part of why I still haven't upgraded.. I've got a 1080ti and it's still able to run pretty well any game at at least medium 1080p. Most times I'm on high or more. Will I upgrade next gen? Maybe. I can definitely say I got my money's worth after 6-7 years. xD
the two 3060s are the only exception in this scenario, they only have a 4gb ram difference and thats it, so the only benefit that the 12gb model gets is faster memory lanes ( which does often result in more performance).
@@fourty9933 nope. Same die, but cut down shaders. And the narrow memory bus.
that throatees is the most interesting content from this whole naming-marketing shenanigan . . . good job
I've never enjoyed a sponsored segment, that was a genuine first, good job ha
Never buy a product without testing or independent reviews from mutiple sources.
Never trust these corporations, always seek outside reviews and information.
True but not all reviewers are honest.
agreed. I all ways look on reviews and seeing people testing stuff like this cuss if you don't you will get scammed.
3060 8GB and 12GB also have a 20-30% gap cause memory bandwidth (128bit vs 192bit bus)
and l2 cache (2mb vs 3mb)
It amazes me how the 8GB 3060 is never talked about. It's the real desktop version of the 3050ti and they named it the same as the real 3060.
first Jay video I've watched in a while... know why? - Because the title actually said what it was about, (and it seemed interesting)
Jay; you could have the most amazing and interesting video, but if you call it "This changes EVERYTHING" or "I had no idea Micro Center actually sold these..." or any other useless clickbait title, Ill never bother to open it, because I cant bother with something i don't care about. and I cant care if I don't know what it is.
I feel like it's been getting better lately. hope you keep to it
I just can't even be assed to care about any of this shit nowadays. My old Skylake rig with 1080ti seems to do the trick. My Coffee Lake with 2070super is fine too. Nothing new in gaming is interesting, because it all seems so poisoned.
I agree, these kind of rants are full of gold.
I also hate that! And in a lot of videos its just the same info over and over again. It's why i unsubscribed
Same
Dont forget:
"YOU WONT BELEIVE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!!!!!" *pog-face* 😮😮
I always appreciate that you call out bs.
Great video as always, Jay! Hope you’re feeling better 🍀
Asking Nvidia to stop being tricky is synonymous with asking consumers to stop being tricked.
your pockets aren't big enough kid
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue Ah yes, the typical "you're too poor" comment.. I've been expecting you. 😂🤣😂🤣
Most average consumers aren’t watching RUclips videos or navigating forums.
Having deceitful naming conventions to purposely trick people is scummy. This is on Nvidia 100%
@@TheIndulgerssadly though that is what it takes to be a smart consumer. If you can’t do basic research before a large purchase that is 100% on you. I would never even think about buying a GPU without extensive research beforehand. Anything else is pure ignorance unless money is no object.
Just because i have money and i am willing to pay the price, i'm being tricked?
Big love for going out of your way to confront the green giant. Huge respect for what you boys and girls do. The content is excellent and you really project that you guys care about your audience. Big respect from London have a spud form all the community for a job well done my man! 👊
Thanks for this Jay, these companies need to be called out more, this practice needs to stop.
Only because Jay doesn't get nvidia paychecks...
they don't care, it wouldn't surprised me if this was unofficially ngreedia sponsored, i mean any ad is better than no ad
in fact i wouldn't even know about this card if randos wouldn't start making video's about it lol
they released a lot of garbage this year, i mean we already 4 have different versions of the so called same 4070 lmao with not much difference between them except for the price
i don't remember 1060 bottom and top having 40% price difference, they did release tons of different variants of it 1060 3gb, 6gb,1650 1660ti etc, basically same card but there was no marginal price difference
Tell'em Jay!
Still running my EVGA GTX 1080 ti FTW3, love it.
Still running 2 1080tis myself...😊
I recently moved from this same card to a 4060ti, and I gotta say, even though the performance isn't that different, RTX is a much bigger difference than I expected it to be.
Me too, I'm loving my 1080TI!❤❤❤
Clipped the coughing at the end, laughed so hard at that 🤣
good lookin out for the people my man!
They can get as slimey as they want as long as the community likes to buy the slime to play with
Look, there's AMD card that is better in rasterization and it's 1/2 the price 🤯
Noooo, AMD bad, no like AMD, Nvidia forever and ever 😂😂😂😂
Ive been team AMD forever. As long as anyone keep broadcasting their products and buying it, they will continue.
I love Ivan's Ooze!
Also having the best..that is the 4090! kinda makes them control prices. Which allows AMD to keep its relevancy to a point...meaning midrange, good value cards. Basically they cannot compete with best, so tried to ruin nvidia midrange. And they done well. But that is all
old amd gpus are a great value like the 5700xt
you figure they would've learned from the Not A 4080 card.
The trouble with companies the size of Nvidia, they only want your respect when they need you to buy their stuff.
Because gamers are now such a small part of their business, they don't give a damn about gamers. And as AI markets grow, their need for gamers shrinks
It's not that they don't learn, they just expect us not to.
The RTX 4080 desktop is literally a 70 class card. The RTX 4080 has a die size of 389mm^2 while the RTX 3070 has a die size of 392mm^2...
The RTX 4070Ti is a 60 class card, the 4070 is a 50Ti class card, the 4060Ti is a 50 class card and the 4060 is a 30/40 class card...
What is worse is when they sold a sub-mid-range GPU like the gtx 1080, which was in fact a 60 class GPU for 600-700$, when it should have been 350$ at launch.
And now they are doing the same with the rtx 4000 series...
Please continue creating these types of vids. I love hearing your thoughts on stuff
great video, and you sound nice and strong, hope you are feeling better.
I remember getting decent cards for gaming for 99.99
Yeah I remember before inflation hit as well. Quit yelling at the sky, prices will not come down. Your groceries aren't, what the hell makes you think GPUs will? I remember when ground beef was under $3 a lound as well.
I remember my x800xl for 347€ or my 9600xt for 150€
It must be used and old card. Such as GTX 1080.
yeah Voodoo card was cheap like $99@@LCJ73
More like 150, but yeah, much cheaper for sure
Now i want to see Jay rant on how car companies name a completely different car the same name. Like sometimes it will go from a big body 4 door to a short compact 2 door sports car or vice versa and have the same damn name.
FEWER Jay, NOT less.
I agree. 3040 would also be a good option for those slim form factor office PCs that are all over eBay for cheap.
5:54 3050 released 2022....
That makes it even worse because a 3050 is fucking obsolete in 2022. Id give them an excuse if it was 2018-2019 but launching a card that much behind in times in 2022 is a fucking scam.
@@acid1787 Its only obsolete if you exclusively play the newest games at maxed out settings. Not sure why anyone would subject themselves to that though, new games always come out unfinished for $70 and max settings only look marginally better than medium-high these days for like half the performance.
They forget about DLSS too. It is not a bad GPU, just because it had high price in the time of mining. This is Hababox thing. They didn't get some samples and they are only for pure rasterizations. In my country RX6600 was 170$ more expensive and it is not that faster if you dont include Tiny Tina Wonderland. RTX3050 it's even faster in newer games.@@bignose1752
Moreover. At that time 3050 was based on GA106 die (like 3060). Lately they switched it to dedicated GA107. And now they cut the ram on it.
@@bignose1752 id recommend people rather buy a 1060 or a 1080 at that price
Mr Jacket needs a date with a Pear of Anguish... Seeing as we're gettin bent over, without the courtesy of dinner first.
???
@@legendmaster1989 look up who he is referring to by "Mr Jacket" and what the pear of anguish is and you'll understand.
@@jeffb.6642 still dont
Mr Jacket is set for life on AI chips...
Good work, man ... people need to be taught.
especially those who do not compare GPU performance and specs before buying.
Hi, I Just subscribed two days ago, and your channel is amazing. I wonder if you can make a video to explain and understand the Motherboard like explaining each socket and what they are for and how can I buy computer parts that work with that motherboard, and what is the common mistake. How to build it by myself.
Tell em Jay !!!!!
This is why, I went AMD this time I can't complain with my Sapphire nitro+ 7900 xt. Plus, I don't have to worry about the power adapter melting or vram.
I chose the XFX 7900 Merc Black - uses old adapter and I could keep my old 750W PSU. No regrets whatsoever!
im so happy i went with amd when i had the choice
@@KenOtwellyou might wanna reconsider that. You need Atleast 850watt for a 7900XT. You cant forget about sudden energy spikes. I have a 7800x3d which is super Efficient and even i went with a 1000w psu just to be safe. And for the future proofing headroom.
If you're gaming then that's fine. But some of us also are creators and renderers. AMD can't do as well as Nvidia in those areas. Nvidia is one for all the jobs, while AMDs are for really just one job, and that job is gaming.
Yes you may be right, but AMD is sneaky. Thats why i went with team blue.
The theatrics at the beginning are so funny!
Thank you Jay for looking through the Nvidia scams. Important info for buyers.
Here's hoping Battlemage is a viable option, I'd like to buy something else if it performs as well for the price
Intel is always pricey in my socialist country. But sure I'm all for competition specially when it bites Jensen's market share
they really gotta optimize and fine tune their drivers
@@Drewkungfoo I bought a 3080ti from EVGA A week before they announced getting out of the game, and also before realizing the XC3 was not the option I should have grabbed. I'll have to wait a while for Battlemage to mature, since I'm not dropping another 800 bucks anytime soon
@@Drewkungfoo Not just the drivers, it's the cards/dies themselves. The A770 for example was supposed to be a 3070 competitor and ended up competing with the 3060/Ti. They'd need to sort out whatever architectural shortcomings Alchemist had for Battlemage as I don't believe Battlemage is a whole new ground up architecture but Celestial is.
You do have AMD as an option?
How are you feeling Jay?
I really don't think I will be getting a new graphics card now for a another 2 or 3 years the way things are. NVIDIA have really frustrated me over the last few years.
Yeah, same here. And when i do upgrade, AMD here i come.
I probably won’t upgrade for like another 6-8 years. January I just got a brand new 3090/ ryzen 5900x complete build from a local pc builder for $1300. Something about the dude he was building it for put down money and the contract of 90 days ended. Gave me all the parts boxes and receipts
Last March I bought a 4090, I probably won't upgrade for anouther 2 or 3 years also.😂
@@djkiIIagwith a 4090 you shouldn't upgrade for half a decade
@@samoptimus4228 nah, probably 2 or 3 years. The 4090 is a great card, but its not the 4k 120fps in every game with maxed out settings everyone claims it to be.
thanks Jay. looks like my next build will be team red yet again.
3050 8gb was released in end of January 2022... not '18 - '19 somewhere around that
You are right. It was released on January 27 2022.😂
That makes it even worse because a 3050 is fucking obsolete in 2022. Id give them an excuse if it was 2018-2019 but launching a card that much behind in times in 2022 is a fucking scam.
I had a feeling this was about the 3050 6GB. Had they called the 3050 8GB the 3050 Ti, I don't think the naming would be such an issue... but they didn't, so it should have been the 3040. But NVIDIA is going to do NVIDIA things, so it's not all that surprising. However, I think it's a good product at the price point AS A LOW PROFILE card... considering people are paying $170 to $180 for the LP 1650 on eBay. But the full height cards at the same price are stupid when a $10 increase gets you the RX 6600 which wipes the floor with the 8GB 3050, let alone the cut down 6GB model. The full height models need to be sub $150 to make sense. Regardless... it absolutely should have been named the 3040.
There's literally no justification for buying a 3050, it's such an insane example of how powerful marketing and brand recognition is. It's not like you need another hardware attached to the brand of a GPU you're buying as is with CPUs and motherboards. As long as you have the powersuply you can put whatever card you want on a build. So If your build can support a 3050 it can support an RX 6600 which is from what I remember is between 20 to 40% faster
@@homelesswizard3161 I know... I said as much in my comment. The 3050 8GB at $200+ is stupid and the full height 3050 6GB at $180 is stupid. You'll get no argument from me. The only reason I think the 6GB is interesting is as a low profile card, where AMD has nothing good. Even NVIDIA has mostly abandoned that market, which is why people are left paying excessive prices for 1650's. At the same price, the 3050 6GB should be a good deal faster and has 6GB of VRAM. Hopefully it pushed pricing on the used 1650's down.
@@TheGameBench I don't know how your local market looks like but if you consider the RX 6500 a lowprofile it blows the 1650 out of the water and is cheaper. And the RX 6400 is also very slightly faster than the 1650 and that very much falls under the "lowprofile" definition while being even cheaper than the 6500.
@@homelesswizard3161 There is no such thing as an RX 6500 and there are no low profile RX 6500 XT's. The only current low profile AMD GPU is the RX 6400, which is a non option in anything without a Gen4 slot, and even then... still isn't a good option. It might seem good if all you look at is the avg frame rate, but it falls apart in the 1% and .1% lows just like the 6500 XT. Some game perform better than others in this regard, but they're both not good options and I'd rather have the 1650 with a 128-bit memory bus 8 PCIe lanes. Especially for the OEM SFF PC crowd which makes up the majority of this market, and most of those people are stuck on Gen3.
All that being said, the discussion was about the 3050 6GB not the 1650, and the 3050 6GB will be faster than either the 6400 or the 1650, for the same money as a used 1650 LP. The 6400 isn't a good card regardless and people should have never been paying $170 for a used 1650. Now they have a better option that has more VRAM and DLSS, which can bring the 6GB model up to the performance of the 8GB model. Also, if you have a Plex server, the 3050 6GB can to 8 transcodes at once, making it very enticing for that use case as well, and I know more than a few people running Plex off a SFF OEM system.
Yeah except for the fact that the 3050 is a joke performance wise and definitely does not deserve a ti whatsoever. The 1050ti was like 10% faster than the 960 while the 3050 is 15% SLOWER than the 2060 non super.
I feel ya on the throat clearing, bro. Been doing that all day today at work when on the phone. 🤦😂
The 4070 TI super is actually a 4080 gimp. Doesn’t quite have the ring that Jensen would prefer.
Everyone should have a gimp in their life. Jensen treats his customers likes gimps.
Like literally every other Ti or Super. You gamers are literally petulant children just looking for something to throw a fit over.
I just bought a XFX 7900XTX and I only been having it a couple day but so far I am loving it! I replaced my 2080 hybrid and I do not regret it! The only con I have come across is the card is a two slot and it is over 13.5 inches long filling up my full size case.
@@decadeofscattereddreams The only thing that I am having issues with so far is that when I try to play Helldivers 2 it keeps crashing on me.
Try roll back to early amd driver like 23.11.1. Amd is famous for their broken "new" drivers.@@harrykaincles
The first Titan card was a 700 series card in 2013
Good to see you back and looking well. The boys did a great job looking after the channel for you. You should defo include Phil and Nic in future videos.
Thank you for what you're doing Jay, respect!
Why would they stop, it's working!
Yep. Also gaming used to be about half their revenue, now it's about a fifth. GPU companies are focused on making GPUs for AI data centres, not for gamers anymore. Cloud gaming may be the most affordable way in future.
wasted 4 minutes to realize this video is about rtx3050. thanks jay
😂😂 grandpa worried about his final hours of his Lifespan.
Have you noticed a lot of vendors of pre builts have not even given the option of the 3060 12gb, changing instead to the 8gb?
*Requested Follow Up Video:* What is a list of 15-20 cards, which are actually available now, that are - what you would consider to be - good value for their price points in terms of performance v. cost? It'd be nice to get a genuine rundown on what cards are worth buying (in said price ranges) in order to be able to sort through the clutter of predatory marketing and not get screwed over by it. A solid list of current market cards to buy ranging from $200 and up would be really helpful for people who don't compare hardware specs on spread sheets as part of their job (the way you do).
You should make a video comparing the two 3050 cards, to help people that are buying cards in this price range. There are not many good reviews of these cards.
like the 4GB (G)DDR3 version of R7 240 or the DDR4 version of GT 1030
I am glad someone get's it! and is not scared to share with the people!. Good work jay! you one of the good one's!. Still funny how a 2080 S is still a contender with the new tech!
😂 I love the intro...❤
I usually buy cards used or open-box so I get them price-corrected so I don't worry about the retail problems.
Product naming schemes have always existed to push sales not to inform customer. It’s not as if they’re a consumer stand and practice the mandates naming based on real performance and cost.
If Ngreedia wats to fill the whole naming scheme for 50 series, 5010 being the highest and 5090 being the lowest, the only barrier is if this will help them make more money.
I do not think that NVIDIA sees this as a mistake as Jay calls the disingenuous naming convention.
I bought an arc a750 for my friends beginner build we are doing
There are 3 RTX3050 now: 6GB 70W TDP and two 3050 8GB 115W and 130W TDP. In Benchmarks the 6GB version is about as fast as a 1650super but at 70W (100W 1650s).
Yikes, so in reality the 6GB version should be the 5030.
Bruh, that means it might be a better deal to get a used ddr6 1650 LP, which would have performance really close to the 1650 super, unless you are doing something that needs more vram for a sff PCs. It would be incredibly stupid if they kept the rtx features for this card because of the low vram and performance. I think they could of just released a new LP GTX card lol
why are nvidia releasing new 3000 series gpu's when they are now on the 4000 series ?
Nvidia has taken the HK corporate motto of "Because you suck and we hate you" and ran with it.
I'm a simple man, I see iFixIt ad by Jay, I upvote.
Thanks for talking about this, I love your videos which focus on anti-consumer practices!
Give 'em hell, Jay !!! Sick of nVidia treating us like crap
As long as you continue to give them money....they will continue
legit using this video while I wait for Program Settings to load.
Nvidia will continue to treat us like crap. They don’t give a shit about the gaming market anymore, it’s not even a quarter of their revenue. AI chips is their new income stream. Prepare for darker times.
"Disingenuous!"
"Disingenuine" is not a word!
Makes me miss the 1050ti. Sub-$200 card that was bus powered. Could easily slap that into a used haswell office system and be gaming for under for $500 for the whole setup. Made for great days to get people started on PC gaming.
If I was still in the market for a graphic card, I might consider some of these lower price point cards. I agree with the recommendation for the naming scheme - Sometimes marketing people should NEVER be allowed to make decisions about product names. That said, I don't plan on any more upgrades soon, as I recently upgraded from a GT610 to a GTX 1660 TI. That's plenty on graphics power for me, and the price point was at the top of my budget as marked down from $359 to just $229.
Let's not forget the 3060 12gb and the 3060 8gb. And not really announcing the 8gb card.
Go back to 2008, when they forced BFG out of business.
Jay this is an awesome take on how shady things have become for consumers and these big companies are making money off of people that are new or are coming back into the pc building. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. Appreciate your content!!! :)
Its crazy that they are releasing a new 30 series card after the 40 series has already been out & just launching the 40 Super series.
The worst thing is they are doing this on the down low. Most people wouldn't even know about this release if you weren't paying attention to the market.
at this point i have so little trust in what nvidia is selling me that I have to look at reviews for every sku lol. it's so rough
When the high end for gamers is binned garbage left over from AI wafers.
That's what we deserve since they've built these companies on our money: next to a garbage bin, overpaying for trash they try to convince us of how great it is...
75W power limit is for Low Profile cards in SFF casing that doesn't have extra power supplyu connectors. Since now GTX 1650 LP was the fastest card for SFF.
speaking of the gt 1030 they did the same thing, launched ddr4 vram version after the ddr5 vram version, gave it slower clocks and left it as a gt 1030 although the performance was different between the 2 cards.
The GTX 970 3.5GB vram, 3060 TI 8gb vs 12gb vram and performance differences, 3080 10gb vs 12gb price and performance differences, GT 1030 DDR4 vs DDR5 fiasco, and now this lol
lets not forget the GTX 970 "4GB", which was actually 3.5gb... which they got sued over.... and lost.
It was an absolute disgrace and their excuse was even worse
I’m honestly ready to sue them for false blame users for burning connectors. It is clearly a design flaw and it needs to be recalled.
technically there was a total 4gb, it's just last 512mb but it was much slower, so yeah they can and will getaway with anything, from lying about performance to melting connectors and blaming it on user error lol
all this tech channels are bought and paid for by this companies to make this ads, whether it's positive or negative
@@AnonymousUser-ww6ns The only design flaw going on with that was a missing chromosome or something from the mouth breathers that cannot operate a simple plug.
Nvidia actually released at least 6 different SKUs of the GTX 1060: 1060 6GB, 1060 6 GB Rev. 2, 1060 6GB with GDDR5X, 1060 6GB 9Gbps, 1060 5GB, 1060 3gb.
Or 8 if you want to include the mobile 1060 and 1060 max-q.
technically 1650,1660 etc can be considered from the same family, so add that to the pile of trash
i can see rtx 4670 ti super 8gb coming in same sff as this 3050 in couple of years while performing like 4050 if they ever officially release one, i mean 4060 technically doesn't count as one hehehe
@@r3tr0c0e3
I disagree. Different architecture + it's not named 1060 so kinda misses the whole point of this discussion.
However, I forgot two. Both 1060 6gb and 1060 3gb also released with GP104 dies later down the line. So that'll make it 8 desktop variants. 9 if you count the unreleased 8gb version, 11 if you count both mobile variants.
Jay, 30 Series only used the GA103 die in the 3080 Ti Laptop & 3060 Ti Desktop (plus 2 A series) so this is the first time they have split 70 & 80 by using a 03 & 02 die.
I’m so confused. I thought we are on 40 series now
I just noticed this when I saw that RTX 3050 6GB has only 70 watt TDP (good, no need for additional power connector), while RTX 3050 8GB was like 130 watt. Initially I though that the shop I was browsing had made a mistake in the product description (after all, different memory variant of same GPU do happen). Anyway, the only instance in which RTX 3050 6GB will have any use case (if it is faster than AMD 8000 APUs) is if it will be sold in the same form factor as RTX A2000. Low profile, short length 2 slot for very small form factor HTPC builds.
And this is why I went with the Intel A770. I'm done supporting a company that has tried to do this multiple times. At this point gamers need to turn away and show them some financial harm. Maybe then they'll stop doing this. Until then though they aren't going to care because they know people are still just going to buy it.
How have the drivers been?
Too bad Intel is almost as slimy in the CPU space as Nvidia is in the GPU space.
It feels like Intel is worse in this regard. Look at what happened during the trickle of the CPU improvement releases a couple years back or so.@@jeffb.6642
@@jeffb.6642 lol. Intel is the best value over AMD. You can get a non z intel board with an i3 which is the old i7 4 cores 8 threads or an i5 non K which is 8 to 10 cores for hundreds less than AMD and it won’t stutter with tpm on win 11 like the AMD bug
Financial harm isn't coming to Nvidia. I had been using a 1080 Ti since 2018 and now Nvidia is worth a trillion US dollars. I bought a RTX 4080 for $930 brand new last week instead of waiting for some scenario that will never appear.
Please make a t-shirt for "Jay, please hold my beer..."
Thanks Jay, this kind of video is exactly what is needed right now
Don't forget the slimey trick on the ram speed on the gtx 970
Wasn’t that advertising as a 4gb card when it was a 3.5 + 0.5gb card and not to do with speed?
@@MudSluggerBP What happened with the 970 was that instead of cutting an entire block out of the memory sub-system and making the defective dies into a 3gb/192-bit card, they partially disabled one block in a way where two of the memory controllers were fighting for resources.
It still had 256-bits worth of memory controllers that were connected to 4gb of GDDR5 at the advertised speed... but there was a bottleneck elsewhere in the system, in a part of the die not usually discussed, that made it act more like a 224-bit card.
And while the last 0.5gb did run slower, it was still faster than running out of VRAM and having to use system RAM.
I'm kinda inclined to give them the doubt on that one, because it really seems like the engineers got too clever with how to disable as little as possible in a defective 980, and marketing didn't know how to explain it.
I owned one (it was the last Nvidia card I put in my main PC), and the drivers really managed it pretty well.
They also kneecapped the 1030 by changing from DDR5 to DDR4, like it needed any help being worse.
I mean it was GDDR5 (not DDR5) and it was labeled GT 1030 DDR4... and every single card sold had the matching specs.
Just finished my first budget build and I am VERY happy with my AMD.
I just got a 3060ti and called it a day. I know it doesn't have 16gb of vram and it really doesn't matter to me since I just play at 1080p anyway. All the naming conventions by either company intentionally obfuscate their true specs, so I just look up the actual specs and decide based on actual research.