1990 ALCS, Game 1: Athletics @ Red Sox
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- Oakland Athletics 9 at Boston Red Sox 1, F -- A pitchers duel opened the first game of the ALCS between Oakland and Boston, as 2-time Cy Young Award winner, Roger Clemens faced 20-game winner Dave Stewart. Clemens kept Oakland scoreless for six innings, but Oakland managed to break through against the bullpen, scoring one run in the 7th, and another in 8th, to take the lead. Though only one run behind, the Red Sox saw their hopes of retaliation dashed in the 9th inning when Rickey Henderson led the way to a seven run inning for Oakland. Dennis Eckersley closed it out for the A's, as Oakland took a 1-0 series lead.
Dave Stewart was an absolute Red Sox killer for a few years. He dominated them and shut down their offense at home like not too many pitchers I've ever seen.
yup, he was known around these parts back then as Dave "I'm better than Clemens" Stewart, because he said he was better than Clemens
@@DonQwantsyou And he backed it up on the mound.
@@DonQwantsyou Really.....he said he was better than the guy universally regarded as the best pitcher in baseball at the time. This wasn't 39 year old Clemens in 2003. This was 27 year old prime Clemens.
@@dukedematteo1995 there was a big rivalry between the two of them at the time and Stewart was something like 4-0 vs the Red Sox in matchups with Clemens. There was also some personal animosity to it as well. Rumor has it that after one victory Stewart said "see i always beat Clemens so I'm better."
@@DonQwantsyou yea I get it... Stewart did do better in matchups. I just watched this game in its entirety. Clemens didn't give up a run, and in Game 4 he was ejected " arguing balls and strikes" aka the ump was acting like an egomaniac. But given it was such a small sample size of their total games pitched, and Clemens was a perennial Cy Young winner every year back then its simply an inaccurate statement. If he was better than Clemens, Stewart would have won all those Cy Youngs and had a sub 2 ERA in the AL. He didn't, Clemens did. He wasn't better than Roger Clemens. The As were great back then, and Oakland is and was a pitcher's paradise.
Good rivalry tho. Both guys had a fierce intensity about them .....headhunting psycho Clemens and the" look in your eyes while I stab you death glare" Stewart had was great. Definitely a great pitcher and competitor.
In 1990, who would've guessed that Baines would make Cooperstown before Clemens, Canseco and McGwire????
These were the good old days -- man I really miss seeing this Oakland lineup!
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Looking back the Red Sox should be proud of there effect because I don't see any other MLB club doing any better against those A's.
I just wanna thank the poster for telling us the final score and game details in the description box. ..now as i watch it i dont have to be burdened with the drama and possible excitement of what might possibly happen as we go from one batter to the next and one half inning to the next. Thank u Soooo much. You really understand what viewing,sharing, and experiencing competition is all about
1990 felt like a rerun of sorts of 1988. In both occurrences, the A's flat-out destroyed the Red Sox in the ALCS before losing to a vastly inferior ballclub (the Reds in '90 & the Dodgers in '88) in the World Series. The A's during that era from 1988-1992 was purely a case of unfulfilled potential since they should've won more than just one World Championship.
The 1990 Reds were pretty good but I agree about 1988, the A's were wayyyyyyyyy better than LA but lost that series, mainly because Hershiser was pretty much unhittable a and Eckersley served up that gopher ball to Kirk Gibson in Game 1. The A's never recovered.
@@nickbigmann5228 The offense let them down. Zero runs, two runs, three runs, and two runs the last four games. 1.75 runs/game isn't beating anyone
Katt is a great announcer. He was the Yankee guy for a good ten years and his insight was invaluable. I love when he had to school Michael Kay about something.
He Belongs in the HOF!!! 17 Gold Gloves as a Pitcher! 25 Years and Four Decades Played and among the All Time Leaders in Wins and Strikeouts........
@@timothyward2082 I've said for a long time that Kaat deserves to be in the HOF. He certainly more deserving than some of the pitchers in there.
@@timothyward2082 he’s finally in
It's odd that Dave Stewart never gets any Hall of Fame consideration. He had quite a career. 3 postseason MVP's, 4 straight 20 win seasons. He's not a Hall of Famer, but you'd think someone would make a case for him.
Doesn't have the numbers. 168 wins. not even a .600 pitcher, although a good big game pitcher. A pitcher needs to be up there near 300 career victories and up there in strikeouts, 1700 Ks, Clemens 4600 Ks, Ryan 5700Ks no comparison., and Clemens not even in HOF ( steroids). Also Clemens 354 victories, Ryan 324 victories and mostly with shitty teams, Stewart not close. Also consider Blyleven, just got in recently, 287 wins, 3700 ks again not close for Stewart.
He was a Hall of Famer during his prime. If he had few more good years he would have been in. He was a Hall of Famer at this time. Great big game player.
It's because he sucked the rest of his career. He was great for 4 years in Oakland but with that line up they made mediocre pitchers look better than they were. Look at that year (1990) Bob Welch won 27 games. Stole Roger Clemens Cy Young from him only because the writers got all giddy about 27 wins. Welch 27-6 2.95/ 238 IP 127k and 2.9 war Clemens 21-6 1.93era 228.1 IP 209k's and a 10.4 WAR.. OALAND 103 wins Boston only 88 wins
No way Bob Welch wins 27 with any other team never mind 21 with Boston. Sorry if you cant tell I'm a huge Clemens fan. 😉❤
If he had more wins postseason MVPs arent the same as other sports it's usually random not a good barometer plus Dave Stewart had a great team and he would have never gotten half his wins with a bad team and not to mention he lost the world series when he was heavily favored with his team and they got swept bad blemish on resume also pitcher is probably the hardest position to get in because they aren't every day players they play one game and then take three or four games off to rest arm regular positions don't get breaks that is why it's even more impressive to be in the hall of fame because your career numbers have to be near perfect in overall career Stewart falls short of that criteria plus he was bad the rest of his career so he had a hot streak also really hard to get in with one title and that is pretty much why he was never considered plus look at the several potential future hall of famers that was on the same team but at a point in time he was one of the better pitchers in baseball for a couple years not his whole career that is why he won't get in it's a career stats thing not the impact you had on big games not quite as important as overall stats when it comes to be inducted they are very picky just look there is only little over 100 players in the hall of fame there has only been 20000 mlb players in the whole history of the mlb some guy recently in his first start became the 20000th player to suit up in a mlb game that says a lot about how hard baseball is and how extremely hard it is to get into the hall of fame
Stewart should be a 4 time World Series champion 1988, 1989 and 1990 with the As plus one more in 93 against the Toronto Blue Jays instead he only has two the one in 89 ruined due to the San Francisco Quake and the Toronto series where he pitched extremely well but couldn’t finish.
Tony Peña was one hell of a wizard behind the plate man.
This game is a case of "The score does not indicate what the game was like." You look at the 9-1 score and you assume blowout, but it was 2-1 going into the 9th before an utter bullpen blowdown blew their shot.
Close game for 8 innings, then the flood gates opened.
U meant bullpen blow"out"
Life is too short to watch Pitchers hit, thank God for the DH.
Clemens vs Stewart in the playoffs we’re some of the best pitching duels in postseason history
I typed in "dave stewart vs roger clemens" and found my way here.
It is incredible out of the 4 game sweep. No HRs by Oakland the entire series. Only 1 by Boston ( game 1 Boggs).
You'd never see that in the playoffs now, the playoffs is about out homering their competition these days.
The Reds weren't vastly inferior. The Reds had the best bullpen in baseball & guys like Chris Sabo, Billy Hatcher, Barry Larkin, Eric Davis, Paul O'Neill. That was flat out a good team.
A lot of people, including the "experts," made the mistake of comparing the A's as a whole to the Reds as a whole. When you match them up position by position and player to player, the Reds match up pretty well. The A's had a fantastic bullpen, but the Reds was even better. The team scouting report is really what helped the Reds win the World Series that year.
They were a solid squad depth was not an issue and a tyrant coach to keep them in line
Reds were Good But Larkin is one of the Most Overrated and Undeserving Hall of Famers Ever!!!
@@timothyward2082 Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but who was a better shortstop overall when Larkin was in his prime? I can certainly think of far more undeserving HOFers than him.
On a side note, just to show the superiority of the Reds over Oakland, Cincinnati did not let Oakland score past the 3rd inning in any games in the World Series. Superior starting pitching.
That 1990 Reds team was not vastly inferior. If you get the chance, please buy or check out (from your local library) Tony LaRussa's excellent book entitled, "One Last Strike: Fifty Years in Baseball, Ten and a Half Games Back, and One Final Championship Season." Tony lays that 1990 WS all out in the open and gives his brutally frank opinion about that A's team and certain players who played on it. It is an excellent read. I highly recommend it.
Barry Larkin was future MVP, Jose Rijo and Randy Meyers and Rob Dibble were unhittable, and Eric Davis was a stud starting game 1 with a bomb to center off Dave Stewart setting the tone for the series...
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Dave Stewart was Kryptonite for The Red Sox. a very underrated pitcher.
Just dawned on me that the four 1990 playoff teams were the same as in 1972.
The As teams at this time were scary good. Henderson was the disruptive menace that made it all go.
48:36 Pretty much the lone Red Sox highlight of the '90 ALCS
The Sox scored a total of 4 runs in 4 games. Didn't matter how well Clemens and Boddicker can pitch if you can't score runs. Had the Sox posted any kind of offense off Stewart and Welch, could have been a different series
+KHayes666 The Sox didn't score runs because the A's pitching was superb. It wasn't for no reason that they only scored 4 runs in the series.
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I agree. Just saying if the Sox weren't incompetent it would have been a better series.
the A's of that period had that good pitching, but couldn't beat the Reds or Dodgers. LOL.
man that long 9th evening is a tough pill to swallow for Boston. Reminisce over my local A's who were bigger than life
Hmmm, I got a feeling that McGwire kid won't be hitting out of the 7th spot for too much longer.
Dave Stewart OWNED Roger Clemens.
@MANCHESTER UNITED Foot fairy
GO AWAY!!!@MANCHESTER UNITED
Bullshit LIAR!!! Clemens was 10 Times Better!
@@timothyward2082 Before or after he started injecting the 'roids?
@@spacini F You A$$hole! Never was Proven that he took them. Even if he Did So Effen What!!! They Should be legal anyway. He was WAAY Better before the Allegations. Also there were Rumors that Stewart took them as well so Get The F of your High Horse LOSER!!!
when the Sox had a chance to get Baines and Willie McGee that year Sox GM Gorman said " what would we do with Willie McGee?" LOL
Ironically, the Sox would acquire McGee in 1995.
@@navyguyinva too late
They did release Dwight Evans after 1990 season. If they did acquire both McGee and Baines. Then keep both Baines and Brunansky and use McGee for the rest of the 1990 season and trade him in the offseason. We have power plus Mo Vaughn started his MLB debut in 91.
@@dylanhanson6819 yeah but the dumbass Gorman didn't see it that way. Lets hope L'Chaim does better
Dick Stockton should of been the lead voice of MLB on CBS instead of Jack Buck 1990-91
Ricky bein' Ricky.
Tony Pena = the most flexible catcher behind the plate
Wao aún recuerdo ese juego como si ubieras Sido ayer
I was at this game . Boston fans were heckling the shit out of Canseco in the bottom of 9th. He just kept pointing at the scoreboard .. lol remember it like it was yesterday
The Red Sox did not exactly cover themselves in glory in this series. They were totally overmatched and outclassed by Oakland.
Same with '88. Those Sox teams weren't great.
The drawback to Pena's catching position (when no one's on base by the way only), is if a full swing dribbler is out in front of the plate, he's at a disadvantage, even though he's well versed with being able to almost effortlessly spring from his 'reclining' catching position. I wonder if Clemens had a problem with a catcher in that position. Did Pena succeed Sanguillen in Pittsburgh?
i love watching these old Baseball games. Did anyone else notice the A's fan at 2:26:29 - 2:26:32
that was Dave "I'm better than Clemens" Stewart. he always said he was better than Clemens
Jeff Bagwell for Larry Anderson was one of the worst trades in Red Sox history.
True but at the time there was nothing to suggest Bagwell would become what he did.
Viendo. Como. Mánager. Tony las mejor manager.todo tiempos. Viendo MLB todas esas super estrellas. OKLAND.
I love the delusional comments. Cincinnati wasn't vastly inferior, Cincinnati went wire-to-wire and probably would have won 100+ games if they wanted to but eased up because they blew away their division most of the year. Cincinnati also had a deeper starting rotation then Oakland and a far superior bullpen. Cincinnati's offense was also as explosive but unlike Oakland, didn't need the long ball, they were mostly line drive hitters and speedsters. Cincinnati also had superior defense.
the National League played a better style of ball back then, more athletic than the Athletics.
National league teams always have the advantage because they're built on defense and strategy as opposed to offense
"Larry Andersen, terrific pickup." LOL
+jmarshall88 It really backfired. Not only did Bagwell become a legend, but Andersen- after leaving Boston- ended up being more effective with the Phillies than the Red Sox.Hell, the next time he made an LCS- got the final 3 outs in game 5 against the Braves in '93.Considering his exploits with the Astros and Phillies, he just seemed a better fit in the NL than AL perhaps
@@chrisuncleahmad and as icing on the cake, Bagwell is from Boston 😔
And don't forget that Boston's carrousel at first base continued with Carlos Quintana and Billy Jo Robidoux before Mo Vaughn finally got it together.
Umpires (Game 1) (1:38)
HP Rich Garcia (CC) (4)
1B John Hirschbeck (1)
2B Jim Evans (5)
3B Terry Cooney (3)
LF Vic Voltaggio (3)
RF Larry McCoy (5)
Why decades to come? What do you have against Oakland?
1.93 era for Clemens? At the height of his powers. And look how low in the lineup McGuire batted... wow.
This Sox team was too good to get swept. I wonder how they would've done against the Reds in the Series ?
No better than how Oakland did against the reds.
This Sox team wasn't that good. They were the best in a not great AL East. The Reds would have done the same to them as they did to the A's.
In those 2 separate years, I'd agree.
Pena at 4:44. Catchers aren't allowed to do that anymore which sucks.
Really? I didn't know that. What's the rationale for that?
1981lashlarue well maybe they can but no one has the balls to do it. Catchers now always have they're pads out.
There’s no rule against that
Oyes quiero volver todo esa estrellas viendo .Roger clemen..
Either starter in this game should have been the Cy Young....Clemens had a sub 2 ERA, and Stewart had a ton of innings and a good ERA...Welch had a ton of run support. With today's more stat savvy voters Clemens would have won it most likely and Stewart as the runner up.
Yeah, thanks to analytics we called a guy with 3 impressive years 'King Felix'
@@guyincognito320 well thanks to the geriatric morons of yesteryear we had Dennis Eckersley win a Cy Young and an MVP in 1992....so ridiculous
Dick Stockton (PBP) & Jim Kaat (C)
bash bros,Canseco#33..Legend
This As team beat the dirty wahta out of us from 88-92. They were just out of our league and we rarely helped matters.
Dave Stewarts so sick
Why was game one in Boston? Didn't Oakland have the better record that year?
MLB only started determining home field by record in the last few years. Back then, it alternated by division, and that year, AL East got it.
Funny to hear "...(Fenway) not conducive to home runs..." & all I can see is Bucky Dent clearing the Green Monster in Game 163 back in 1978. Should've added "...unless you're Bucky Dent..."
Clemens has great stuff compared to game 4
RIP hendu you'll always be a redock to me
Where's game 4?!??!?
2 & 3 also
McGwire batting 7th?!??
Cause he was a cheating hopped up Steroid meathead on the inevitable decline into shameful embarrasment
8:26 death stare
As good as Oakland was against the red Sox they were embarrassed by the Reds in the World Series which would prove to be the beginning of the teams demise
So when will the A's win a World Series?
Viendo.nuetro.tony Peña. Como. Recetos.super estrellas. Roger clemen
So when we'll we win a World Series again?
Awesome
Lmao at the guy who said "superior" .
Why was Clemens pulled so early?
See 1:33.25: "He was tired."
@@stephentrull5233 Thanks. Kind of unusual in that era to see a guy leave so early. Clemens wasn't afraid to say when he thought he was done. McNamara and Clemens always gave different stories about why he was pulled in game 6 of the '86 series. I tend to believe McNamara that Clemens asked to be pulled.
Clemens was really burned out by Joe Morgan from 1988-1990. In one game in 1988, he threw 161 pitches in 100 degree heat for a complete game win in Texas...not too long after, he went on the DL and was not as effective the remainder of the year. This was before organizations became more serious about pitch counts and so forth. So I think he would tend to simply wear down late in the season and as a result was not "dominant" as he was earlier. Here in 1990, he had just returned from a late season injury to pitch 6 shutout innings on the second-last game of the season and there was actually some uncertainty as to how much he had in the tank for game 1. He certainly pitched well but was not yet in mid-season form and I think they were trying to save him a bit - it's not like he was "asking out". As far as the game 6 controversy, I tend to side more with Clemens over MacNamara. For one, Mac lied about Dave Stapleton being called "Shakey", an assertion that was refuted by Bruce Hurst. He also lied about having his "best first baseman out there", since he had put Stape in for defensive purposes in every other playoff game win. Third, Clemens was actually on deck and was pinch hit by Mac...it's not like Clemens begged out in the middle of the inning. I think Mac had a pretty thin skin in terms of accepting the blame, and resorted to a lot of finger pointing to save face. He shouldn't have had to shoulder all of the blame, but definitely made some questionable decisions in that game 6. I thought Clemens pitched pretty well in the playoffs that year, except for game 1 against Anaheim. He pitched didn't really lay any other eggs in his other postseason starts...I always thought it was a bit odd that he became such a villain to Boston fans. He carried that staff for a number of years.
Go As I hope they win.
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A’s coulda shoulda won 3 straight again. 88 89 90.
look at bos roster it's definitely not ws quality. im not sure how they got that far
Look at the asshole on the mound to know how the Red Sox reached the playoffs. Pitching and defense wins most baseball games at every level. The game was designed to be defensive.
Larry Anderson and we gave up Jeff Bagwell. Just 1 more bad trade the RedSox organization has made. I swear they take it to a whole new level with bad trades.
WhAt is a "rotisserie league"? Is that an old term for fantasy baseball?
Essentially. It's like an early version of fantasy baseball invented by journalists in the early '80s I think.
Why the hell isMcGwire hitting 7th?
Cause he was a cheating hopped up Steroid meathead on the inevitable decline into shameful embarrasment
The SWINGIN A's
A's have more world series wins than the reds & Dodgers sooo yea
The Oakland A's have 4 World Series. The Los Angeles Dodgers have 5.
I don't count the past. The Philadelphia A's titles stayed in Philadelphia.
@@kevaninthe4135 And to give the Dodgers a benefit of doubt when counting their past, majority of their WS Ls were against the Yankees and the series were close a bunch of those times.
red sox should have kept buckner all year...he was much better then that quintaina guy...and they needed a shortstop.........buckner needs to be in hall of fame...
That's a great Oakland lineup.. & Clemens belongs in the hof.. ridiculous.