The Fall Guy & Movies That Aren't Real
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
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Timestamps:
0:00 When is a movie not real?
5:22 How do we still enjoy them?
8:18 Materialising the simulacra
10:45 Viewer-oriented reality
13:43 End
Bibliography:
Jean Baudrillard, Simulations, Semiotext, 1983, trans. Phil Beitchman, Paul Foss and Paul Patton.
Robert Pfaller, Interpassivity: The Aesthetics of Delegated Enjoyment, Edinburgh University Press, 2017. P. 6-7, 44-5.
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(Description topline is from the song 'Reality' by David Bowie)
In The Fall Guy, after leaving the business one year earlier, battle-scarred stuntman Colt Seavers springs back into action when the star of a big studio movie suddenly disappears. As the mystery surrounding the missing actor deepens, Colt soon finds himself ensnared in a sinister plot that pushes him to the edge of a fall more dangerous than any stunt. 
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Thought this was a terrible adaptation. No multicolored bean peope or game show courses to be seen anywhere
yeah sick film but the disrespect for the source material is astounding
I mean, given how the industry works, I'm sure if it does well enough we'll get a sequel that can have all of those things.
Movies are allowed to be imperfect.
Please tell me this is satire.
@@cyborgparrot1996most of this Channel is built on satire.
@@mr.stuffdoer8483night lords or world eaters or do you just like the 30,000 time?....
I seriously respect "The Fall Guy" for how it puts the spotlight on an aspect of filmmaking that most people ignore. The film spends a lot of time showing all that goes into making an action movie, so when you get to the big action scenes the viewer has a greater appreciation for all the work such a thing entails.
I never found myself watching an action scene in a movie and immediately wanting to learn more about how it was filmed. Maybe that breaks the immersion, sure, but it means the movie succeeded at what it was trying to do.
Also the end credits where they should what went into those scenes was great.
for me it didn't break the immersion at all
@@mursaleensaleem1806 It didn't break the immersion for me either but I understand why it would for someone
If you work in film then the scenes where they chill and do karaoke after an expensive and exhausting 12-14 hour shoot will drive you insane.
Why would it drive you insane? Because as an introvert I can understand why it would drive me insane
The karaoke scene popped me out of the film, too. It works for its purpose in the movie, but anyone who’s ever worked a full day on a film set knows that the only thing you want to do at the end of that day is go get some rest
@@typemasters2871no. People need sleep
@@zenquantum1246 As a Fall Guy crew member I can tell you, the days actually shooting that karaoke scene were painful.
my issue was that it constantly pulled away from the stunt scene I was interested in! I had much less interest for Emily Blunt singing a song! :D Also: I watched Ted Lasso. And Hannah Waddingham singing karaoke was one of the highlights there. Using karaoke and not let Hannah do her stuff was a slight disappointment as well :)
Saw a tweet the other day about Josh Brolin's portrayal of Thanos being inspired by Kurtz from Apocalypse Now. Can guarantee that most people who saw Infinity War and Endgame won't notice, and will just think Thanos is a cool/compelling character entirely on his own terms. And I guess that's okay. Kurtz' character isn't beat-for-beat the same as Thanos. The copy became something wholly new.
"His mind is clear, but his soul is mad." -Dennis Hopper, Apocalypse Now.
Kinda sounds like Thanos even.
Talking about simulacrum; if you're British, you must try and visit a Renaissance Faire in the New World at some point.
Hundreds of people, that have never visited England, dressed like our ancestors, & speaking in a vaguely stereotypical simulacrum of RP/Cockney is such a bizzare experience!
A couple of people thought I was mocking _their accent_ with my own RP/Cockney accent - and said I sounded more like D1ck Van Dyke than a real English person. I think that's the most offensive thing anyone has ever said to me! 🤣
Isn't calling a British person Cockney kind of an insult as well? Also, 99.999% of Americans think Renaissance fairs are ridiculously lame too.
Renaissance FEST for life! Yeah, all those people pretend to be elves, pirates, and mushrooms even tho they've never been to Rivendell, Nassau, or the deep woods
over the hedge deepdive is highly awaited
So real movie about fake movies.
Yes
that's some good Baudrillard application
I mean that's like half of Tarantino's career
True, but he also makes movies that are entertaining on their own, you don't HAVE to know everything he knows about film to enjoy them. His genius is he doesn't copy other films, he reworks them into something else.
How about the time the U.S. government faked filming a movie adaptation of Roger Zelazny’s Lord of Light so they could pull off some covert shenanigans?
Yeah I know that’s a different kind of fake movie but still.
They already made a movie about the government making a fake movie. And THAT movie won an Oscar.
"In 1983, French philosopher Je-" it always comes back to simulacra don't it
Great movie, it becomes a direct action movie by the end but it's very proud if that.
the fact that you have footage from the entire movie to show on the backround really proves that the trailers showed too damn much
This seems like a weird take to focus on Fall Guy. As you point out the fourth wall breaks about the reality of stunt work (including the car rolls) oddly bring the movie closer to the “sign” in many parts, even as it emphasizes the unreality of action movies by acknowledging the artifice.
very interesting video, but fell short for me bc this is a really common misunderstanding/shallow reading of baudrillard. but very debatable, obviously. the way one of my profs explained it, "simulacra" or "simulation" and the "hyperreal" are not any less "real," like some seem to think. they supplant the real. they are in some ways MORE "real" than what we think of as "reality." just another perspective for yall to think about.
also, i really felt the absence of derrida's absence/presence in this one. don't need to go to psychoanalysis for this argument, it's closer than you think.
I kinda agree…but this is a short video essay! I do agree with PoGs point that the experience of the hyperreal doesn’t make experience of it less ‘authentic’ for its participants.
It was similar to the film Hooper with Burt Reynolds. Great film about a Stuntman that has real record breaking stunts.
It goes deeper then this film does on the consequences of living the Stunt man life.
You released an answer for my philosophy exam two weeks before a have it. Thanks!
Interesting application of the ideas. What I might add here is that pleasure in the embrace of artificiality is quite old. It is the basis, for example, for a lot of camp. This is especially true when camp appropriates the symbols of dead power, of aristocracy. To engage in camp, one goes all in on cultivated artifice. I wonder if this desire is heightened in societies that are obsessed with chasing authenticity, as all wealthy societies seem to be this century.
This kinda makes me want to watch Fall Guy
Yes and me.
Great film. Great video essay
"The Fall Guy" was always number one topic on monday mornings in school when i was a kid.
Everyone talked about it.
I have mixed feelings about that movie. But i keep an open mind and will watch it. Just to check if there's a Howie. Everybody loved Howie.
Sometimes movies you don't expect much from are surprising.
Don't sleep on this movie. Beneath it's status as a love letter to stunt people, is a genuine action film with a heartfelt romance
I would say it's a movie that succeeds at what it sets out to do. It aims low, but hits its target.
Hod damn ur going deep with this one
This video feels like a full on scientific study into why the sun rises from the east.
For real....and explaining why cardinal directions are named their names for 5 minutes. Such a weird take and pretentious.....but bad....take.
Really living up to the channel name....unless that's the point.
Seriously, like c'mon, it's just Fall Guy! 😭😭
The discussion of simulacra feels like a lead-in for talking about the sliding scale of art vs product in media and the tension we feel about that.
Movies are a great medium for carrying us on a journey through fantasy. Whether it be something straight from a fairy tale or through a hyper realistic story such as the above Fall Guy. Let's face the facts, real life can be a bit boring at times.
This’ll help with my essay on Baudrillard problematising authenticity, cheers 🥂
You know it's gonna be a real video essay when someone namedrops Beaudriard.
Take a drink each time he says the word “pastiche”
I found this film to be one of the most important movie to respect stuntmen yet it's just sad that this film might not be able to recover their budget in the box office...
This is one of your most insightful and analytically refined videos to date. Very well done.
I respect the focus on an under appreciate segment of the industry, but the final act definitely jumped the shark. The entire helicopter sequence was way over the top.
It immediately felt like an addition for the sake of checking all the stunt boxes.
Please do NOT tell me bro beat me to the "anti-capitalist genius of over the hedge" punch
It's turtles all the way down!! 🐢❤
A lot of what you have said here is oddly applicable to Emesis Blue and its relationship with the Horror genre. Idk if anyone here has even seen that movie, but it is really quite odd how much these equivalencies line up.
Man did I just stumble across a parody of Breadtube
LMAO.
Movies about movies that typically only movie people will appreciate are a little... eh, for me.
Like, I don't feel l'm watching a movie, just someone kinda talking at me about movies pointing and shouting "look! look! do you get it! aren't I smart?! aren't we cool?! REFERENCES! FILM-MAKING!" and its like, okaaaaay...
I think that's partly why movies are losing relevance, they're getting more and more insular, purely for people who are "in-the-know" at the exclusion of everyone else.
I don't think that's the case, at least with this movie. I know very little about the stuff that happens on set, so seeing it through this movie was very interesting and made me want to learn more.
im okay with that because not all movies are made for all people
That's one of the good things about movies- the violence and death isn't real. That's why movies with a lot of violence no one thinks twice about, meanwhile pornography, no matter how popular, is disreputable.
Acting like sex is morally comparable to violence is insane. Also, there are plenty of movies where the violence is real. People die or are injured on movie sets constantly.
@@dumbumbumbum8649 in a better world the comparison would not make sense, but i think it makes sense in this one. not between sex and violence, but porn and violence in movies. if we go see a movie we know the actors are not actually getting hit, getting shot, etc. and if they do get hurt, its not intentional. but if we watch porn, especially rougher porn, its possible we are watching someone being trafficked, and we know that the women getting hit/tossed around/etc. are actually having that happen to them. so in a very real sense, porn is more violent than movies in this world, and i think the above comparison makes sense.
If you think that the "sex" in porn is "real" in any reasonable sense I feel sorry for any partners you may have.
A much better explanation is just that the US was literally founded by literally Puritans (and a good dose of good old fashioned sexism, but that's a much more complicated argument). Europe don't care about porn.
I'm going to make a piece of media called "Simulacra". I don't know what it is or what it will be about or anything, but I know it will be something
I hate it when meta self referencing in movies is done with insane levels of self importance though.
Filmmakers like Lynch, Kaufman, David Lowery and Rick Linklater are much more humble and almost invisible in their self referencing whereas others like Tarantino, Baumbach tend to basically self insert as "genius artists/directors" without an ounce of self criticism and humility which I find kind of cringe.
Goddamn this is a good video
My issue with the idea, at least how you presented it, that somehow turning reality into abstractions that only reflect symbols and framing this as a negative is... That it feels very... Anti-language? Let's take water, for example. You start with actual water. Then you might go to a picture of water, maybe a flowing river. Then a pictograph that simplifies and abstracts that picture of water, the Egyptian hieroglyph for water for example. And then when you get to words within more modern writing systems, you have attempts to notate - either via syllabries or alphabets - the sounds you need to make to represent the thing vocally, which in turn isn't representing the thing outside of an onomatapaea but... An abstract unit of meaning derived from things long forgotten. Water doesn't exist within my head as a picture of a flowing river, or the substance that I drink, but as the word water. Either a two syllable spoken word, or as the letters w a t e r in that order.
My point isn't that he's wrong about there being a difference between reality, depictions of reality, symbols that reflect those depictions, and symbols that only reflect other symbols, my point is that... That's how communication has historically worked and how languages have evolved over time.
Isn't assuming that our existence is real a bit of a stretch?
Does "the Bubble" qualify as well?
Wow, I've never cared less about a spoiler warning for a movie.
I wonder if you'll go over Synthetic Man's review throughout the whole Fallout series how he goes totally racist, sexist, and total rage bait on how the series ruins the canon or lore of the games.
Has anyone else done that? If not I welcome a roast of SynMans idiocy.
I wouldn’t expect so. I typically only make dedicated videos for that sort of thing these days if I feel there’s an interesting + relevant point to be made _through_ the chud debunk, or to try and puncture a creator’s plausible deniability - and I don’t imagine either of those cases apply here.
This movie would have been so much better as a mockumentary or something... I just didn't find it funny or romantic, and the stunts didn't land on me considering how fake movies are now (loaded with CGI even when the companies say they aren't). I think there's a ton of talent in this movie and great stunts, but unless you're watching BTS on the stunts, then there's no point in watching this movie.
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Great video
pymtron movie when?
yes
@@PillarofGarbage ITS CONFIRMED LETS GOOOOOO
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Thx for dumbing it down
A director setting a stuntman on fire without head protection and throwing him against a rock eight times because of a personal beef is neither real, nor funny, nor anything less than a serious insult to what stunt people actually do - whatever kind of "reality" you call it. Extrapolate.
This is a heckuva thinkpiece to listen to about an adaptation of a forgotten 80s action show. What are people going to write about the inevitable $200 million version of Riptide?
What I think it diluted it were the weak characters, the massive cringe, and the awful dialogue. Felt a lot like they gave them time to improv and sucking at it. But yeah, honoring the stuntworkers matters. Just wish the movie was clever or just better
Great essay, thank you.
This movie is an unmitigated POS.
It could have been so much more, particularly with these leads.
Kudos to all the stunt work though, here’s hoping the “Academy” gets its shit together and recognises the enormous contribution these people bring to their grubby and greedy industry.
Far as adaptations of 80s action shows go, it's probably about as good as it could possibly have been.
tbh the overall trend of film becoming more self-reflective as the medium has aged and as a reflection and reaction to the current sociocultural climate has, imo created some of the best existentialist films of the last decade
Reality isn't real. We all have to go through life with an incomplete knowledge of what the world is. We all have to believe in things that have no proof, just to get along in the world. We all run around with our personal myths and legends and they effect how we interact with the world, because we have to believe them to be human.
For instance, the concept of compassion. Where is the physical proof that compassion is real, let alone desirable?
What we call reality is a mix of things we have perceived through our very limited and easily fooled senses, our beliefs we accept without evidence and what other have told us but we have never experienced ourselves.
The Fall Guy was a lot of fun and plenty real. It failed because of 1,000 reasons but its quality is not one of them. You’re analysis has nothing to do with making movies and all text book regurgitation. But you did land in a decent place.
Lee Majors did it better.
This is quite possibly the most pretentious video I've ever seen. Just say you dont know how to enjoy movies...
based. free palestine
Just had to mention that the war in Gaza today is real. Israel was attacked first and is only defending itself. Not trying to make you look bad, but hopefully next time you talk about current events you’ll say the correct information.
Israel _was_ attacked first… but only if history begins in October 2023. Even then, Israeli leadership knew an attack was likely imminent & didn’t take steps to prevent / mitigate it - if they had done, they wouldn’t have had the excuse to carry out a jingoistic, ‘unifying’ genocide.
Israeli political leaders have come out and _said_ that their war goal is to colonise Gaza & to destroy the idea of a Palestinian nation.
You’ve actually done a rather good job illustrating the point I gestured to in the video - the ‘everything was cool and great until October 7th when Israel was caught off guard and hit with an unprovoked attack so now they need all our weapons so they can fight a purely defensive war and we can’t criticise them at all because all the bad stuff you’re seeing online is Hamas propaganda!!!’ image of the conflict is so divorced from history & reality that it does not exist.
lol free Palestine
@@PillarofGarbage I would like you to please show me Israeli political leaders that have come out and said that their goal is to colonize Gaza and destroy the idea of a Palestinian nation because that has never been the case.
Yes there have been many conflicts and issues between the Israelis and Arabs in the area before October 7th, but for a long time there has been relative quiet.
Israel is doing all that it can to help civilians living in Gaza and only aims to destroy Hamas (a terrorist organization). The only reality and history that is divorced is the ignored reality of suffering Jews throughout history. Many times Israel has attempted peace with Palestinians and even terrorist organizations, such as Hamas, and they continue to reject the offers. They only want to exterminate and destroy the land and people of Israel. If you can’t see that truth then that is the real distortion of reality.
I’m not here to argue or even attempt to change your opinion. I just ask that you look at both sides of the story because I have certainly tried. Israel is dealing with a double standard and gets criticized and hated more than almost any other country. Even when real genocides are happening in places like Africa right now they are still getting ignored. Israel is simply defending itself and has every right to do so. History, and more specifically the Holocaust, has shown us how much hate Jews experience, and we cannot let such unfathomable atrocities repeat.
@@PillarofGarbage I would like you to please show me Israeli political leaders that have come out and said that their goal is to colonize Gaza and destroy the idea of a Palestinian nation because that has never been the case.
Yes there have been many conflicts and issues between the Israelis and Arabs in the area before October 7th, but for a long time there has been relative quiet.
Israel is doing all that it can to help civilians living in Gaza and only aims to destroy Hamas (a terrorist organization). The only reality and history that is divorced is the ignored reality of suffering Jews throughout history. Many times Israel has attempted peace with Palestinians and even terrorist organizations, such as Hamas, and they continue to reject the offers. They only want to exterminate and destroy the land and people of Israel. If you can’t see that truth then that is the real distortion of reality.
I’m not here to argue or even attempt to change your opinion. I just ask that you look at both sides of the story because I have certainly tried. Israel is dealing with a double standard and gets criticized and hated more than almost any other country. Even when real genocides are happening in places like Africa right now they are still getting ignored. Israel is simply defending itself and has every right to do so. History, and more specifically the Holocaust, has shown us how much hate Jews experience, and we cannot let such unfathomable atrocities repeat.
@@PillarofGarbage I would like you to please show me Israeli political leaders that have come out and said that their goal is to colonize Gaza and destroy the idea of a Palestinian nation because that has never been the case.
Yes there have been many conflicts and issues between the Israelis and Arabs in the area before October 7th, but for a long time there has been relative quiet.
Israel is doing all that it can to help civilians living in Gaza and only aims to destroy Hamas (a terrorist organization). The only reality and history that is divorced is the ignored reality of suffering Jews throughout history. Many times Israel has attempted peace with Palestinians and even terrorist organizations, such as Hamas, and they continue to reject the offers. They only want to exterminate and destroy the land and people of Israel. If you can’t see that truth then that is the real distortion of reality.
I’m not here to argue or even attempt to change your opinion. I just ask that you look at both sides of the story because I have certainly tried. Israel is dealing with a double standard and gets criticized and hated more than almost any other country. Even when real genocides are happening in places like Africa right now they are still getting ignored. Israel is simply defending itself and has every right to do so. History, and more specifically the Holocaust, has shown us how much hate Jews experience, and we cannot let such unfathomable atrocities repeat.