he’s trying to make the most money. making multiple videos that people will typically watch all the way through in the background will make him more money than one long video (2 hours) going through all weapons where people will just be more inclined to skip around and find the weapon they like to see where it places.
Far be it from me to think I know more about the game than Whityyy, who has like 12k hours, but yeah I really feel like the D and C tiers should be swapped. Maybe leave vanilla romero in D
I gotta agree tbh. Generally at the range you're using shotguns then the Romero is your death on a first shot miss, which is insanely punishing compared to every other shotgun. And, y'know, everyone misses sometimes. I run shotguns most of the time and will never touch one. Great range, cheap, fatal flaw.
Romero is a great budget option, IF you can hit your shot. It has great range and will teach you shotgun discipline. For that reason, it makes sense that it has a mixed ranking. Though, putting it in at least the C or even B tier for it's budget, cost to effectiveness ratio would be worth mentioning.
Romero shines in positional game in compound you know perfectly, but universal usage... yeah, I would prefer to have double barrel in forest fights more for sure
@@willk6723 Combination of different things, the spread seams more inconsistent and harder to predict compared to lets say the rival and sometime it feel like levering will not work correctly - doesn't fire or stops firing whil I'm still holding lm down...I don't have that with other levering weapons and otherwise the mouse works fine, so it seams to be something with the gun lately. haven't played it yet since the new update so maybe my curse has liftet now, we will see ;-)
you get more shell on pennyshot, its more for pve but still fine on hunter..i like to bring romero with half pennyshot for ammo reserve for my pennyshot deringer..
Disappointed that despite all the great balance changes Bolt Thrower still doesn't speed up the Bomblance reload to make it viable in competent matches
I may haveissed it, but did you explain why you didn't include the shorty shotguns? I find that they are very versatile, esp with traits. E.g., Levering with the shorty Terminus for clearing compounds, or using the shorty Romero with the axe to overcome the one shot reload issue in CQB.
I sadly feel like it does, not sure if intended but before penny would give me those CRAZY long range 1tap and now it barely 1taps within buckshot range
idk pal check out my recently uploaded vid where I play terminus levering pennyshot. I don't show it in vid but a lot of times after winning a 1v1 I check what the enemy had, and they all have buckshot romero or whatever, buckshot terminus. I just think to myself ''shoulda brought pennyshot pal''. I've even had a moment where I kill up close avtomat with pennyshot levering terminus. Didn't even bother taking that garbo gun. Pennyshot levering terminus is life. Alternative option: Slate. Not sure about best bullet type but buckshot seemed ok on it.
I dont know why, but I tried using it in the shootign range on target dummies for about an hour an barely got any 1 shot kills with it while before it was occasionaly better than buckshot (before engine upgrade)
@@Whityyy thank you sir. I have no idea why I love penny shoot.(I agree buck is better 😂) ..but in my case penny was always more reliable against all odds. Perhaps something to do with my wonky aim 😎. Looking forward to play hunt (unfortunately) I am on holidays and can't play...or fortunately...thanks for videos!
Uuhh..uuhh...i love you UwU i havent played suotguns much yet in new patch but they look promising in shooting range, cant wait to check it. Overall im blown away by the bew patch. *Insert obligatory whiney UI comment here*
30m buckshot fulldamage from rival... okay, I am weak player who started to play relatively recently (about 1month ago and got 170 hours) and I am so curious about this analytics My aim is not good and while I am trying to get better - I was skipping the shotguns for large time of my gaming expirience as I though they couldn't teach me good However with slight progression on my confidency in aim I decided to start using them as I like to play agressively and they fits my playstyle I was using the rival and liked it when started to play the game... and when I came back to it... I felt something strange. Like it couldn't kill the enemy in 8m with buckshot and even on 14m 2 shots are usually not enough That was weird... As the iteration of prestige cicle was ending I started to waste money on crown n king and damn...even on match where things were going fine - all kills that I made NEVER were in one shot. its absolute disaster. It kills in 1 shot only the enemy who is standing in 2 meteres infront of you. I have many screenshots how people were not dying in 8-10 meteres even after 2 shots and most lmao moments was when the person was standing still.. I sneaked to it.. and he survived 2 shots. Fire rate is a goat and it helps a lot... but wtf? Then I tryed slate and... And it constantly oneshots everything withing 8-10m. I felt no such issues as with rival and auto. Also terminus is designed to be not as precise so maybe it was more about playstyle that I felt okay with not killing the enemy close to me in 1 shot. however unlike with crown n king usually if you didnt kill the enemy in first shot - enemy dies after the second. ------ so I finally desided to take a look on shooting range to test these weapons. And... well it explained alot. slate shots are landed so close to each other but the spread of rival and auto got significantly bigger spread. And when I've seen that I just understood the point. The thing I dont understand that ... why its not mentioned anywhere and how such significant difference could be not noticed. I understand that its basically related to the movement and aim of good players that makes the situations where actually the damage of all shotguns overal perfroms the same (oneshot). But mentioning that buckshot may oneshot the enemy on the range up to 30m? even on shooting range you could never do such thing. Maybe only you'll be lucky enough to lend a headshot
drop range is bullet drop range not damage drop off edit: after 30 meters the bullets start "dropping" aka gravity kicks in. It has nothing to do with damage
I have no data to explain it but I, too, have the Slate as my go to buckshot-shotgun since its introduction to the game. I like the Crown&King with Slugs but with Buckshot the Slate is the only shotgun that feels kiiinda reliable. It's not perfect and it has let me down often enough, but no nearly as much as the others.
When i played a year ago, terminus levering flechette was my go to. Even on long range you could hipfire cus of the tiny spread. And it guaranteed a speedy 2 shot at close range. And yet caused incredible pressure for longer fights because of the bleed. Now i want to get back into the game, does this still work?
@@Whityyy I am a purely solo player, vs trios, never played in a team and not interested Thats why the bleed pressure is so usefull too. Gives me time to deal with the teammates.
I'd suggest not playing that way. A lot of people are still new to the map, hardly anyone plays mid to long range. Everyone just pushes like crazy even in 5star games. This is primetime buckshot/pennyshot spam.
@@alexisJonius I mean what's fun is subjective. Is it fun for you to get kills? Then my previous comment is excellent suggestion for you. The meta rn is peak for close range onetap shotguns. A lot of people still learning compound layouts, everyone rushing like headless chickens. Easy pickings. Always after killing people, check their shotgun, some buckshot or slug garbage... Shoulda brought the pennyshot x]]
ye shotguns kinda stayed the same except the random slugs headshot but also misses haha. I kinda like slugs but I 100% had moments when I got screwed over by rng haha
@@Whityyy I wonder if a future event will finally introduce a brand new shotgun, but I'm not sure what they could add that would be significantly different. I suppose you could introduce a double barrel with full length barrels, essentially splitting the difference between a Romero and a Rival. Slightly slower fire rate and reload than a Rival but better range and tighter spread
@@Hina_Hanta i have seen a 4 barrel shotgun on this one historical gun weapon guy's channel that also does hunt showdown weapon reviews which could be interesting
The new update added recoil to shotguns. The Crown kicks like a mule and messes up your view. You can't spam it like in old Hunt unless you want your whole screen to shake. The new Avtomat is more manageable, for reference. Specter and Rival have low recoil with repeat shot-which imo makes the now top meta shotguns. Slate and Terminus have some recoil but not as much as Crown, so spam is somewhat manageable. But not something one should rely on; hence why accuracy, field of view and repeat shot are more important.
Lol is this bad. The bomb lance - can melee & silently down every boss - can use separate ammo slots - so you can equip pvp steelbolts and pve bombs - you have a deadly melee attack with 1m range, in boss lair fights and stuff this can be even better than a shotgun. - it‘s relatively cheap So basically, bomb lance is a, at least b tier. Wouldn’t give it a s tier tho. Romero is also S, at least A tier. Cheap, deadly, and the reload time of 2 seconds is not that horrible if you think about other pumpguns which have also a shoot delay of a second like specter or terminus (w/o levering)
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"Ultimate Shotgun Tierlist" Bruh, where are the handcannons at!
On a handcannon Tierlist... Our Guy running the channel is precise 😮❤
he’s trying to make the most money. making multiple videos that people will typically watch all the way through in the background will make him more money than one long video (2 hours) going through all weapons where people will just be more inclined to skip around and find the weapon they like to see where it places.
Putting the terminus without levering over the romero is mental. It's almost the same firerate, but much more inconsistent and weak
Far be it from me to think I know more about the game than Whityyy, who has like 12k hours, but yeah I really feel like the D and C tiers should be swapped. Maybe leave vanilla romero in D
Romero in d tier is INSANE work
I gotta agree tbh. Generally at the range you're using shotguns then the Romero is your death on a first shot miss, which is insanely punishing compared to every other shotgun. And, y'know, everyone misses sometimes. I run shotguns most of the time and will never touch one.
Great range, cheap, fatal flaw.
It was great until slugs came along.
It belongs in s tier 100%
@@calebdavis8385true ive been blasting with romero lately also the fact u can both buckshot and slugs is insane
Yes shes much better since update😊
like a dead dog I crawl out of my grave back to this game, it never ends
Romero is a great budget option, IF you can hit your shot. It has great range and will teach you shotgun discipline. For that reason, it makes sense that it has a mixed ranking. Though, putting it in at least the C or even B tier for it's budget, cost to effectiveness ratio would be worth mentioning.
Romero shines in positional game in compound you know perfectly, but universal usage... yeah, I would prefer to have double barrel in forest fights more for sure
terminus likes to betray me tho :(
I fell you bro
How so?
@@willk6723 Combination of different things, the spread seams more inconsistent and harder to predict compared to lets say the rival and sometime it feel like levering will not work correctly - doesn't fire or stops firing whil I'm still holding lm down...I don't have that with other levering weapons and otherwise the mouse works fine, so it seams to be something with the gun lately. haven't played it yet since the new update so maybe my curse has liftet now, we will see ;-)
This list is terrible, Romero in F? Rival in A and terminus in S?
I agree with your list but refuse to give the spectre any credit due to my own bias. screw the spectre. broke boy romero gang 4 life tho
I feel that I personally rather play romero aswell but I know technically the specter is better
rival will always be my fav
you get more shell on pennyshot, its more for pve but still fine on hunter..i like to bring romero with half pennyshot for ammo reserve for my pennyshot deringer..
you can totally do that, my tier lists are pvp focused. I dont care much about pve, I got my spear haha
Disappointed that despite all the great balance changes Bolt Thrower still doesn't speed up the Bomblance reload to make it viable in competent matches
I may haveissed it, but did you explain why you didn't include the shorty shotguns? I find that they are very versatile, esp with traits. E.g., Levering with the shorty Terminus for clearing compounds, or using the shorty Romero with the axe to overcome the one shot reload issue in CQB.
I will make another video for secondary weapons (single and medium slots) after twitch drops that is why I did not include medium slot version
putting the romero in d tier disqualifies the entire video. I AM ANGYYYY
hahaha listen I also like the romero but it simply isn't that great in comparison to a crown and king (auto 5(
Nice to know that the Super Shotgun is in A tier :)
Pennyshot suck now im so sadge
I sadly feel like it does, not sure if intended but before penny would give me those CRAZY long range 1tap and now it barely 1taps within buckshot range
@@Whityyy actualy all shotgun feel strangulation many tile i shot à Guy at 5m and no one shot ...
idk pal check out my recently uploaded vid where I play terminus levering pennyshot.
I don't show it in vid but a lot of times after winning a 1v1 I check what the enemy had, and they all have buckshot romero or whatever, buckshot terminus.
I just think to myself ''shoulda brought pennyshot pal''.
I've even had a moment where I kill up close avtomat with pennyshot levering terminus. Didn't even bother taking that garbo gun.
Pennyshot levering terminus is life.
Alternative option: Slate. Not sure about best bullet type but buckshot seemed ok on it.
Didn't Specter's spread get buffed? It has such a tight grouping even at a decent range.
i hope my specter is goated now
commenting and liking before watching cause its always a banger :)
thank you zurn! Honestly specter with slugs is kinda goated
Hi.Why / how penny shoot has been nefred?
I dont know why, but I tried using it in the shootign range on target dummies for about an hour an barely got any 1 shot kills with it while before it was occasionaly better than buckshot (before engine upgrade)
@@Whityyy thank you sir. I have no idea why I love penny shoot.(I agree buck is better 😂) ..but in my case penny was always more reliable against all odds. Perhaps something to do with my wonky aim 😎.
Looking forward to play hunt (unfortunately) I am on holidays and can't play...or fortunately...thanks for videos!
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Auto 5 is so unreliable this is a 4* Tierlist Romero Talon at 1 skill issue :3 Specter Bayonett is very good with DB my fav
Use an uppercut P on the side with an Alamo. Hit them with the uppercut then switch and hipfire the Alamo.
Bro schould never cook again
Uuhh..uuhh...i love you UwU i havent played suotguns much yet in new patch but they look promising in shooting range, cant wait to check it. Overall im blown away by the bew patch. *Insert obligatory whiney UI comment here*
thank you for the support buddha!
The Slate is my go to Partner when it comes to Shotguns, feels the best to me
This has to be rage bait lol
Romero on d never bro never terminus on s never to
Horrid list for Romero alone
30m buckshot fulldamage from rival...
okay, I am weak player who started to play relatively recently (about 1month ago and got 170 hours) and I am so curious about this analytics
My aim is not good and while I am trying to get better - I was skipping the shotguns for large time of my gaming expirience as I though they couldn't teach me good
However with slight progression on my confidency in aim I decided to start using them as I like to play agressively and they fits my playstyle
I was using the rival and liked it when started to play the game... and when I came back to it... I felt something strange. Like it couldn't kill the enemy in 8m with buckshot and even on 14m 2 shots are usually not enough
That was weird...
As the iteration of prestige cicle was ending I started to waste money on crown n king and damn...even on match where things were going fine - all kills that I made NEVER were in one shot.
its absolute disaster. It kills in 1 shot only the enemy who is standing in 2 meteres infront of you. I have many screenshots how people were not dying in 8-10 meteres even after 2 shots and most lmao moments was when the person was standing still.. I sneaked to it.. and he survived 2 shots. Fire rate is a goat and it helps a lot... but wtf?
Then I tryed slate and...
And it constantly oneshots everything withing 8-10m. I felt no such issues as with rival and auto.
Also terminus is designed to be not as precise so maybe it was more about playstyle that I felt okay with not killing the enemy close to me in 1 shot. however unlike with crown n king usually if you didnt kill the enemy in first shot - enemy dies after the second.
------
so I finally desided to take a look on shooting range to test these weapons. And... well it explained alot.
slate shots are landed so close to each other but the spread of rival and auto got significantly bigger spread. And when I've seen that I just understood the point.
The thing I dont understand that ... why its not mentioned anywhere and how such significant difference could be not noticed. I understand that its basically related to the movement and aim of good players that makes the situations where actually the damage of all shotguns overal perfroms the same (oneshot). But mentioning that buckshot may oneshot the enemy on the range up to 30m? even on shooting range you could never do such thing. Maybe only you'll be lucky enough to lend a headshot
drop range is bullet drop range not damage drop off
edit: after 30 meters the bullets start "dropping" aka gravity kicks in. It has nothing to do with damage
@@Whityyy thank you for clarification
Honestly still do not exactly understand the effictive range damage drop in this game
I have no data to explain it but I, too, have the Slate as my go to buckshot-shotgun since its introduction to the game. I like the Crown&King with Slugs but with Buckshot the Slate is the only shotgun that feels kiiinda reliable. It's not perfect and it has let me down often enough, but no nearly as much as the others.
Romero Alamo made my solo vs trio life much easier
it's a shotgun it works, there is not that much of a difference between the "worst" and "best" shotgun
Thx for sharing! Great vid
Terminus gangggg
Personally i would put the alemo in C tear i reloads faster than the normal romeros but has the long barrel
Alamo is huge pooopoo
Thanks for the great vid, mr whity, and could you do a little overview on 2 slot ahotguns and changes on them?
I will, just havent had time to play all of those guns. Had limited time testing this patch
Do the individual pellets headshot at any range? Because that could potentially extend their range by proxy
No
no they dont, only slugs. Flechette needs to hit multiple pellets for that to happen
When i played a year ago, terminus levering flechette was my go to. Even on long range you could hipfire cus of the tiny spread. And it guaranteed a speedy 2 shot at close range. And yet caused incredible pressure for longer fights because of the bleed.
Now i want to get back into the game, does this still work?
it still works extremely well for that, great for applying pressure/supporting your team just a lack of "1shot" potential
@@Whityyy I am a purely solo player, vs trios, never played in a team and not interested
Thats why the bleed pressure is so usefull too. Gives me time to deal with the teammates.
I'd suggest not playing that way. A lot of people are still new to the map, hardly anyone plays mid to long range. Everyone just pushes like crazy even in 5star games. This is primetime buckshot/pennyshot spam.
@@Daminionz less fun though
@@alexisJonius I mean what's fun is subjective. Is it fun for you to get kills? Then my previous comment is excellent suggestion for you. The meta rn is peak for close range onetap shotguns. A lot of people still learning compound layouts, everyone rushing like headless chickens. Easy pickings.
Always after killing people, check their shotgun, some buckshot or slug garbage... Shoulda brought the pennyshot x]]
No real surprises here, except I expected the new slug deviation to be more punishing at range
ye shotguns kinda stayed the same except the random slugs headshot but also misses haha. I kinda like slugs but I 100% had moments when I got screwed over by rng haha
@@Whityyy I wonder if a future event will finally introduce a brand new shotgun, but I'm not sure what they could add that would be significantly different. I suppose you could introduce a double barrel with full length barrels, essentially splitting the difference between a Romero and a Rival. Slightly slower fire rate and reload than a Rival but better range and tighter spread
@@Hina_Hanta i have seen a 4 barrel shotgun on this one historical gun weapon guy's channel that also does hunt showdown weapon reviews which could be interesting
@@Whityyy sounds brutal, but I assume also very heavy
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Will you do pistols?
Yup there will be a tier list for secondaries soon
Drilling are the goat
Drilling really is the goat
terminus iron eye + slugs can be nasty .
I prefer Slate with this playstyle
I think the rng on slugs is extremely dumb just bad to not reward a payer getting a head shot
I am not a big fan either
Yeah. If feels like a change that is supposed to make it less reliable on higher levels but this in turn kinda ruins it for lower ELOs.
If all the shotguns are supposed to be smooth-bore, then it makes sense to a degree.
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The new update added recoil to shotguns.
The Crown kicks like a mule and messes up your view. You can't spam it like in old Hunt unless you want your whole screen to shake. The new Avtomat is more manageable, for reference.
Specter and Rival have low recoil with repeat shot-which imo makes the now top meta shotguns.
Slate and Terminus have some recoil but not as much as Crown, so spam is somewhat manageable. But not something one should rely on; hence why accuracy, field of view and repeat shot are more important.
Lol is this bad. The bomb lance
- can melee & silently down every boss
- can use separate ammo slots - so you can equip pvp steelbolts and pve bombs
- you have a deadly melee attack with 1m range, in boss lair fights and stuff this can be even better than a shotgun.
- it‘s relatively cheap
So basically, bomb lance is a, at least b tier. Wouldn’t give it a s tier tho.
Romero is also S, at least A tier. Cheap, deadly, and the reload time of 2 seconds is not that horrible if you think about other pumpguns which have also a shoot delay of a second like specter or terminus (w/o levering)
Love the nitro nerf but the same effect carrying onto slugs makes me a bit sad
Honestly tired of seeing so many slugs in matches, I welcome the changes
@@Mr.Ford3350 true
My thoughts were that I loved the slugs nerf but it carrying over to the Nitro made me sad lol
NERF RIVAL PLZ
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