WAIT FOR IT! - The Ultimate HeyGears RS Preview
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00:00 - Intro
The printer looks great enough, but proprietary resin is a hard pass for me unfortunately. I have multiple printers and don’t want to use different resins for different machines. Not to mention the potential price gouging…
@@LPP_YT you can use your own resins mate. James at Rising Alr showed it and another channel called Greedy3D has done loads of tests
The lesson I learned with my Ender 3 was that I HATE calibration. It reminded me of the guys in High School that spent more time working in their cars than driving them.
That’s why I got a Bambu X1c. I just want to print stuff. The first time.
I have an Elegoo Mars 3 that sits unused because I can’t figure out what’s wrong with it and I don’t have time to get a degree in additive manufacturing or chemistry just for my hobby.
I just want to design things on my pc and have a machine make it real. Period! I have no time or inclination to d1ck around with it.
Thank you SO MUCH for this video. $1200 seems like a lot. But Ive wasred $600 just trying to get my $300 printer to make a thing.
I want this. I’m glad you made this despite the hate you received.
Thanks, and this is exactly where we are, people like you who wnat this now have the choice to buy it and you'll get that exact experience. it;s still messy coz resin, but you will have the accurate "thinG" you wnat to print easily.
I'm getting hate for this one too!
Absolutely agree. When I started 3D printing, I got the original ender 3, believing I was saving money and could learn the ends and outs of the machine. When I realized I needed something that was plug and print when My Gf stated "you spend more time building and modifying it then printing" I sold it at that point and got the ender S1 Pro and then the Bambu X1 and have never really had a problem since.
Made the same mistake when I got into resin printing got a cheaper anycubic and the problems that thing caused me I could rage about all day. I got rid of that and got the GKtwo thanks to this and other channels. In short Faux knows what he is talking about.
Hey Gears is costly but honestly, it really does seem Plug and play. Based off my experience the machine seems worth it and I will be following it closely. And yeah, the System is locked into its own stuff, but ask yourself, if you knew your print was going to come out perfect every time you made something, is it even worth using other materials and print failure, wasted resin, clean up and the like?
Either way if you don't like the machine, dislike the machine, don't hate the messenger. Honestly, without this channel and others like it would any of us be into this craft at all? Faux, you're doing a great job
@@FauxHammer I _have_ the pro-background, and I agree most consumer printers of the "Frozen AnyGoo" types are utter 💩, even on a good day.
But, this Heygears Reflex RS printer seems very primo, a beginner will love it because "it just works" and a pro will love it out of appreciation of how good it is. The cost is worth it if one's time isn't worthless 🙂
No problem at all with your videos on these HeyGears printers, too bad you don't like Voxeldance Tango, if you got over your Tango complex, you could get similar superior autosupport results on your other printers that you have as the HeyGears gets with BluePrint slicer.
With the pre-sale price, the Heygears Reflex RS is way more worth it than the "Revo", not even in the same league.
_Full disclosure - I bought the Heygears Reflex RS with the peel-pump heated-vat combo and I own 8 other printers, too (but no Frozen AnyGoo types)_
@@GUEST-mq3nr agree 100% I just want it to work. I don't want to be a printer tech lolol
I don’t mind proprietary resin AT ALL if it’s affordable and leads to better results/ease of use. My Saturn 4 Ultra died after a month (user error, overfilling->tons of leakage through tilting vat). Everyone needs to understand that there are plenty of people that don’t know what exposure settings even are but just want to 3D print, and this seems like the perfect printer for that. Sure an open system would be nice, but only for those that are enthusiasts and know a lot about 3D printing and how to dial in resin, which let’s be honest here that’s not the majority of people and it never will be. After owning sonic mini 8k, Saturn 4 ultra, mars 5 ultra (all very impressive printers that I loved), I just received the Reflex (non-RS) and right out of the box you can tell the build quality is absolutely next level. This is not a toy, this is a machine I trust to be used by my employees at my dental clinic that know nothing about 3D printing (unlike all the others I’ve owned before)
I understand all the tech, all the settings, and have ZERO interest in that being my hobby I want 3D printers, FDM or resin to be tools for my real hobbies. This, much like the two Bambu Lab printers I used instead of the five other FDM I have, would likely relegate my two Elegoo resin printers to the dusk-collection shelf.
@@S.A.S.H. I think that's probably where the biggest disagreements about things like this come in: for some 3D printing is the hobby, and for others (I'm with you) 3D printing is a tool to facilitate hobbies. An expensive tool, mind, but then some people have very expensive hobbies as well.
@@jaym2381 100%.
Yep. Exactly what I meant. Well said!
Honestly? If I was running a print farm where resin printing was part of the service (or I was making decent money from my printers) then this would be the go to choice. The time saved from mucking around with getting the resin dialled in, the supports right and so on would more than make up for the extra cost and propriety resin to be able to just, to quote, drag, drop, go.
To know that the print will come out bang on and with the turn around time being shorter (due to the previously mentioned faffing around) means the client/customer gets their print at the highest quality in the shortest turn around which means time saved=money saved=more prints=more money made... and the price isn't anywhere near as bad as I was expecting either (even the full, non discounted pre-order price).
I like how the lack of a heated vat in other machines is bad, but the lack of one in this is ok since many other users have their own heating system…
$900 printer, it’s ok… cheaper ones, upset it doesn’t have a heated vat.
It makes sense to have the heater as an optional extra - people who don't need it don't need to pay the extra for it, and even with the heater it is still a cheaper machine than the previous Reflex
Agreed. On a 400$ printer he shits all over a heater not being included. Get a uniformation2 is always his answer. This printer costs the same or more..., has no heater included at $900, but that's okay here! No problem!
Honestly, he's kinda making himself look silly by arguing the wrong points, I mean if your going to hate on something, at least hate on it properly. Either heaters are needed or not, make up your damn mind fauxhammer.
Maybe the lesson for all to take away is that vat heating is expensive to implement? It's pretty obvious to anyone able to think about it that HeyGears made some marketing decisions, and one of those was to make the heated vat optional to keep the price within the high-end consumer realm.
@@jaym2381 it’s just funny how when he talks about other printers in the $400 range he’s upset they don’t have a heated vat and that a $900 printer it’s ok that it doesn’t have one. I don’t care for a heated vat, live in Texas, printer is inside the house in its own enclosure, so it’s fine, but don’t knock cheaper printers for not having it then say it’s ok for a printer that’s essentially $1k.
@@NikkiAnnMarie I get it, I live in Texas, so I’m good and don’t need it. It’s just funny that he knocks down cheaper printers for not having it, but a $900 printer he’s ok with it. Just be consistent.
I dont think it's overpriced, it just simply costs to much to purchase one. A lot of people got into printing to save money because a hobby they loved was to expensive (me included) which should tell you something about the communities fun budget. It's like walking into a village where everyone only eats potatoes and talking about how wonderful the new chocolate bar is. Im not saying dont do it, im just saying dont be surprised when folks give a knee jurck emotional response ❤
I don't think that this is targeted towards hobbyists. Its more for professional use.
@@evanskan6326 fair point 😁
they also sell industrial printers, they cost much more this I would class as prosumer
@@evanskan6326 This is definitely targeting pros and hobbyists, just at a certain bracket. Kinda like Bambu did with the X1Carbon.
For the full review, could you possibly address the print quality when compared to DLP options like the Elegoo Mars 4 DLP. I understand they aren't on the same level when it comes to build quality and ease of use features. Thanks, your videos have been a tremendous help. I appreciate it
Mars is not a DLP printer. It’s MSLA.
I dived into 3D printing a few years ago. Since then I've bought loads of different printers, each promising better results and resolution than the last. To date, I've always been disappointed. Despite "dialling in" the settings again and again, I simply do not trust my printers to deliver every time I press GO. I became so jaded by the lack of consistency that I all but gave up. I haven't printed a single item in 2024....
This is the first review of a machine I have seen for a long time which has seriously me tempted to get back in the game again. I need to know that I can trust my machines. You have done a great job in convincing me that this printer might be a game changer.
thank you, and it sounds like you are the audience for this. and based on your description. I have confidence that this machine will deliver on your expecatations.
don;t get me wrong, resin printingh is still messy, but you don;t need to worry about the settinsg at all, even if for some reason there are issues. just raise a ticket in the slicer and boom, done!
@@FauxHammer I have literally just gone on the HeyGears site to buy two printers - but have hesitated because the description of the "Reflex RS with Pulsing Release Module" does not explain whether or not it includes the heating module....
Ok...I will comment. The build quality looks amazing, and i have no doubt that this could be the best built printer in the consumer market. For me however, I'm hooked on the science of how these machines work as much as the end result. I love acgreat print, but i also enjoy playing with exposure times, AA settings, and figuring out how supports need to vary with different resins. I want a quality machine, and after this video, as impressed as I am, im still feeling good about my GK3 pre-order. 😊
As someone who does not own a resin printer, and therefore have no bias one way or another, I can completely understand Hey Gears wanting to use only proprietary resin in their printers. It allows them to control the quality of the printed product to the nth degree, which is clearly what matters to them the most. Quality. Full stop. If they open it up to other resins, print quality will likely suffer, thus making their equipment seem inferior/flawed to those who don't understand it's likely down to the cheap or poorly tuned resin they were using.
On the other hand, I completely understand the fear of spending a ton of money on a fantastic printer that only uses proprietary resin, which may be a lot more expensive than other resins on the market, and which may at any point become forever unavailable if Hey Gears goes under (yes, I know, they won't) or chooses to stop doing these printers for one reason or another, leaving you with an expensive, useless brick on your bench.
Both arguments make sense. I guess it comes down to whether or not you've got enough money to either not care or blindly trust that, when you buy this Hey Gears printer, the 2nd argument will just never become reality. And if that's the case, then the whole thing is moot and all that's left is to maybe whinge about the cost of the resin, but if you've spent that much money on the printer and its accessories, you likely don't care about that either.
I mean, the detail on that Hey Gears printer is INSANE!! So, if you want/need that, then you pay the cost of entry to get it and you pay for their resin and you enjoy it. It clearly seems to be the Bambu X1C of resin printers. Just simple-stupid to use, with fantastic results every single time. For everyone else, there are really, really good resin printers out there that don't use proprietary resin.
Why argue beyond that?
Damn, youv’e literal just summed up my entire follow-up video in 3 paragraphs!
@@FauxHammer - LOL...sorry mate. Didn't mean to steal your thunder. Just seemed like the most sensible argument, objectively speaking. Really don't understand all the hate directed at this printer or Hey Gears.
Honestly their resin costs more than i would like. 1kg of clearish resin doesnt need to be $90 a kg
Really? $90 per kg? Holy crap.
Really? $90? Holy crap
@@mitcho590 yeah its kinda nuts, that said greedy3d has been testing to see if resins from other brands work. He was able to make a lot of 3rd party normal resin work and even got the one transparent resin he tried to work as well.
he mentioned plans of trying other clear resins as well
I could never afford this printer but I have no problem with proprietary resin. If the prints work and you get consistently successful prints then the resin has paid for itself. I would say on average 1/4 to 1/3 of my resin goes to failed prints even when fully supported so I'm completely on board with this.
Great video Ross. Always loved your channel.
The resin is $45 to $55 a kg......THATS STUPID!
$33-$90 mate
Siraya Tech Fast ABS-Like is anywhere from $28 to 36 (rounded up) for 1 kg. Using his above numbers over lost resin you are looking at .250 to .333 Kg lost which amounts to for every 3 to 4 kgs you have basically lost 1 bottle. So you get anywhere from 2 to 3 kgs of printed models with supports. At 2kg this cost you $84 for 3kg it’s $112 at $28. At $36 it’s $108 to $144. Let’s say on Heygear all prints are good at 2 kg for PRAPR10 at $45 a bottle that’s $90 for a better print for the 3 kg it’s $135 it less than 4 bottles of good prints with Siraya Tech. The quality is on the high end do to the X factor of you using a more commercial and consistent printer. So if you print a lot and are buying there resin you should come out with either a savings or break even. Note I use Sunlu resin so where I would come out reducing cost and time is over the support due the size and removing the supports. I love my GKTWO but there times when the Sunlu resin is just not up to par so I’ve got wasted resin.
@@anthonylong5870 that is cheap for what they provided happily take that over the 200+ resin on other printers of this caliber
If they want to guarantee and support perfection in printing with their machines with proprietary resin, more power to them. But that doesn't mean the machine needs to be locked down to their resin. I doubt they claim that other resins will damage the machine in some way that would prevent their resins from working again. So no problem. They can say "this is out of the box, hands down, the best prosumer resin printer system when used with our resins. With other resins, YMMV and don't call us." This would solve everyone's issues, and still sell tons of their resin if it's really that good and that easy.
If they say no to this, then it means just one thing: they want to get their money selling you overpriced, and yes, I mean overpriced, resin. Period. Same as the inkjet printer makers. And they deserve, in that case, to be called out, and to have an industry built up around jailbreaking their resin system.
They can’t just say don’t call us with other resins. People will still call and say “I’m using a good resin, your machine is crap.” No one fact checks consumer reviews.
They would need a way to validate what resin was used.
They don't say it will damage/destroy your printer, they do say they don't support other resins, which means just that. Don't try to use the fault ticket system if your print doesn't come out OK, because they simply won't help - and have no obligation to do so. The cat is already out of the bag that other resins work fine, and they haven't stopped providing review equipment to the reviewer that tested that (the opposite, in fact). Don't expect them to go announcing it though. Why should they?
I'm saving for such a beast and waiting for my Mars 3 to end itself. The quality difference I got going from a Anycubic FDM to a Bambu Labs P1S was amazing. If this printer does as you say in the resin world, it would definitely be the path I take.
It may be a long wait, my Mars Pro is still going fine 7 years on.
So it doesnt have a heater, Doesnt have a camera, You have to use their resin no matter what they want to charge you and it is still slower than the Saturn 4 Ultra and it costs $800 more.....Yeah it has some little cool features but how are little things like a drip tray with a work area or "live tech support" worth $800???? Anyone who thinks for more than 1 minute will see that this is just not worth it. In the end if you compare prints from a Saturn 4 Ultra and this, They are probably going to look extremely similar.......
Saturn 4 ultra should be in every video as a benchmark.
I have to ask as I'm wanting to buy a S4U...im seeing many reviews and comments that people are breaking their LCD screens? Is there a reason for this like bad build quality or a machine issue people are running into or are people jus noobs at printing and breaking the screen through ignorance?
@@zacharysmith5859 I havent seen that. The fep is actually pretty thick and the vat is steel.....I dont see how resin would get to the lcd. It has a protective film on it as well
@@anthonylong5870 does the protective film come pre installed?
@@zacharysmith5859 Yep pre installed
Talking about build plates, I don't understand why companies aren't copying the GKtwo's build plate design in their newer printers. No resin on the top of my build plate is one of my favorite aspects of the printer and why it's still my top choice. It may seem like a small thing, but once you experience it, you'll never want to go back.
I feel like I'm very well within in their target audience, the price is far better than I expected and I'd happily pay for something made by people who put this much care into their product, but I'm also quite opposed to some of their practices (the lack of resin choice, the always-online requirement of their slicer that sends every action to their servers, the silly attempt to lock the sliced output files.. and that's just the bits i know about!) and have disliked the responses they give about them online. :) Fortunately they don't ship to my country so I don't have to concern myself about which would win out. Looks like another great, high quality printer anyway!
So you want to pay $45-$55 a kg for resin? have at it lol
@@anthonylong5870 I have to put premium gas in my car. You don't have to be a dick.
@@anthonylong5870 to not mess with resin calibration? yeah lol
Reflex is the best printer I have ever used. Accuracy, convenience, hardware reliability, it is different from other companies' cheap printers.
Only problem with this video is no Ross dancing by the wash machine. Appreciate the details you put into this and look forward to seeing the resin tests and comparison. Cheers🍻
I actually appreciate this video and your prior ones. HeyGears has given us two great printers and the fact that the RS is less expensive, has bit bigger build plate, has one click support, slice and export along with printing faster is well worth the money imo. For others it may not and thats ok. For the people that complain about proprietary resins (me) I see the benefit of them. I also see where third party resins work great with HeyGears so it doesn't bother me that much considering all the benefits that come with this machine. Usually I don't buy pre-sale items but I'm going to make an exception in the case of the RS.
Great videos bro, keep up the good work.
Thank you. This means the world
After watching their presentation I thought the machine came with a heated vat. Apparently, you buy it separately (it also supports the PRM module) but still, even so, it is still cheaper than the Reflex. I still like the idea of the automated procedure. I don't care about proprietary resin, especially if I don't have to worry about the settings. But I am talking about professional use and not for our hobby. For a professional, this machine is great. For someone who just uses 3D printing as a hobby, there are other and cheaper options out there.
Looks like a great machine, but waaaaay too much expensive for my blood. Love the innovations HeyGears are bringing in the resin world though.
I bought one! First printer for me! Been watching these videos forever trying to decide on one and with the big pre order discount and extra $50 I couldn’t resist. Got the printer with the pulsing release module. I want to buy the cleaning and curating machines they sell too and what not for ease of use but that’ll have to wait a bit
Great review. Proprietary resin totally makes sense for business users. The time savings it makes possible would more than offset any increase in resin cost.
Yeh it’s a great machine and this is a great preview, your videos just get better. I think I am still in love with my Reflex to be honest it’s just so well made it’s unreal.
Thanks brother! I’m actually favouring this one. I like those extra 3cm
Having just seen the prints in hand I am massively impressed by the out the box quality.
Fancy something else in your hand to look at. 😉😘
The only time I have ever heard a RUclipsr reference polyamory to compare the love of multiple things.
Noob question, how does this compare to a form 4? Not considering the price, just performance.
I had plans to go with the Saturn 4 ultra and I think I will stick with it, this looks cool though
I get that some are scoffing at the price and the fact that is uses their own resin, but i think that this printer is not aimed at them, i see this as being aimed at people who want consistent quality prints without the faff of setting the printer up for the best print it can achieve using whatever resin they are using. With this 'system' it takes away the messing about finding out which resin works best for what they need, i can see this being worth the extra expense if the quality can be achieved first time when time is money. If i was in the market for a resin printer i would be keeping an eye on HeyGears, and saving up.
Yep, you got it!
Why am I soo excited about this? Can't wait.
Because GAS Gear Acquiring Syndrome kicking in.
Probably the same reason you were so excited for the CyberTruck...
HeyGear == FormLabs == BambuLab
That's just insulting towards Bambulab
bambulab is clearly a mistake, HP - maybe, but they are even more anti-consumer
This looks so good, and would so love to have one, as I am really getting into D&D and other systems and this would be perfect. Your review of this machine and the previous versions were just nails in the coffin to try and convince me.
Thankyou!
I can see where you're coming from with your love for these printers. Proprietary will probably always have the best consistency and results for prints without having to do fine tuning with your printer. I just can't get over the whole proprietary thing. Most people printing just want good prints with decent prices and can get over the quirks of the other brands. I can get a $400 printer, use any resin I want and i'm satisfied. I appreciate your video though and if I consider getting a best of the best printer in the future you really helped.
Thankyou for your understanding
I was just about to look at getting a new printer. Couldn't have came at a better time 😅
i just bought a saturn 4 ultra
I have always appreciated your honesty concerning different printers and the depth of your explanation concerning what you believe. Honestly, I think this may be the perfect resin printer. And I haven’t even used my Saturn S yet because I’m still getting all my ducks in a row. I can understand people wanting freedom of choice but if this resin is the best for this machine and you don’t waste resin because of zero failed prints, then the freedom argument is moot. In my opinion. Keep making videos how you know to make them and keep being honest about the printer, resin and slicers and I will keep watching. Thank you very much for the service you provide. It is appreciated much more than you realize.
There are two kinds of resin printers, like FDM printers. There are the tinkerers and those who are only interested in the quality of the prints. I am part of the latter group. I ditched my Anycubics FDMs for Bambu Labs printers, and I am very, very happy with this choice. I will buy the HeyGears because of the guaranteed results. To me, it is worth it, and I am not turned off whatsoever by the proprietary resin. It appears that HeyGears is looking at a different section of the market; those who use 3d printers as mean to an end.
Thank you for understanding
Thanks another great video love the printer it’s not the complete package there are glaring errors in design but it works and isn’t that what we are all looking for so when it comes to pricing that’s down to the individual What grips me is the way it’s priced against the US market that’s just money grabbing in the exchange rate sad they thought they needed to do it Hey I may purchase got time before the promotion ends PS don’t let the negativity of others ruin your joy
Proprietary resin makes sense (as you said) for those who don’t have the knowledge, time, or energy to dial in settings for other resins. For me, the idea of having little extra work to do because of the settings already being dialed in makes this a printer I’d be interested in getting.
Sure the resolution is less than what is the “industry standard”, but I’d take complete prints consistently over hyper detailed prints 1/3 of the time anyday.
That being said I’m still an elegoo stan, but I’m liking the extra features (especially the heater) of this printer and if I have the funds will be grabbing it!
Good call. I’m an Elegoo fan too. They have stayed very consistent.
Thanks so much for the coverage. The bit about the support is a clincher for me. Looking forward to the comparison video.
Thanks! Coming soon!
First time commenting on this channel. I've been thinking of getting into 3d printing and getting a 3D resin printer and been watching your review and comparison videos. This one as given me a lot of food for thought. I do find the integrated system a very appealing approach.
Welcome aboard!
I currently have a Saturn Ultra 3, love it. Ross' recommendation was spot on for that one. First thought when I hear "Proprietary Resin" my first thought always runs to companies like HP and how crap the printer market has become. However, everything you have shown and everything you have said has convinced me. I don't like tinkering. I just want it to print top tier with minimal effort. I got an Ankermake M5 for FDM for that reason. I did not think it would be possible in resin but now I am planning to get a heygear as my next resin printer.
Thanks. Glad you see it. And good example with the M5. It is sad that the V6 never came. But it was a great approach my AnkerMake and I hope they keep trying.
They are making in the Bambi leave. They are just a weaker team right now
Ordered mine. I love FDM 3D Printing but I really like the idea of not having the learning curve like I have had with FDM. Can’t wait for it to ship!
Hahah. You sound like a potential Ender 3 user
Nope, I started with an Artillery Sidewinder. I own Prusa now. Just like the idea of not having to instantly learn all the different settings and ways to calibrate with my first Resin Printer.
A lot of people seem to overlook that the price is not just for the machine and it's features. The support offerings and R&D etc. are all factored in, you aren't just buying a printer with this, you are buying a service and consistency.
I've been looking at my next printer to purchase for a business I am starting and the features it offers are very tempting. I am likely to still go towards a GK3 as the volume is a big factor for me and it has enough features that I don't mind spending a little time dialling it in, if it means I can save more time with less print runs overall. This is still very much something to consider as the overall process is so streamlined it's hard to compare. I guess if I had infinite money I would buy a bunch of these for a farm, but that is not within my means at present 😅
I completely understand that
As a new fan of the hobby I went with the S4Ultra. If I was going to sell what I print I would definitely take a closer look at HeyGears. Tons of good options. Maybe all HeyGears have to do is lower the price of the resins and have a monthly low subscription for tech support or a monthly lower resin price for those that print a lot and buy a lot of resin. But If I had money to burn, I would go for this printer for sure. Can’t do that now because I’m not sure if this hobby is in my long term plans. Thanks again for another informative video.
Thanks a lot. And the S4U is awesome! FYI You can use your own resins Greedy3D and Rising Ape have proved it
Hey Ross. Thank you for the discount link. Just ordered the printer heater package. I have been in maching and fabrication for 30 years as well as 3D printing and Industrial printing for 10 years. Been waiting for Consumer resin printers to become more Formlabsish. Like Bambu has done for FDM, Hey Gears is doing for resin. Thanks again.
Hope you enjoy it! I don’t use anything else now
Thanks for the really great review! :)
People are equally complaining in the FDM printer space about Prusa, it's really sad.
I avoided resin printers so far, because of all the mess handling resin means (cleaning the printer, getting the resin back into the bottle, cleaning and harden the models, the hazardous waste, etc). This printer seems to be pretty good and maybe there are even better ones to be found on the market, but at least for me, Prusa still seems to have the best solution forhandling and minimizing all this mess. It's still not easy enough for me to consider buying it, but I would like to see more companies offering a solution for the full process of printing resin objects like Prusa did. Of course the Prusa solution is even more expensive than this, but I'm more than willing to pay for that if it eliminates everything that sucks about resin printing 😅
Really, what’s the Prusa complaints? I’m about to get one for review
Your email on screen. Bold move haha
Shit, where?
When you show the setting in the touchscreen. I didn’t stop to look if it was your personal or business email. Hopefully no one else notices if it’s personal
I am very tempted to get one as someone who has recently started selling my printer as a print on demand service I envy the slicer and its pre-supports so much. Just having piece of mind that the prints will "just work" would be well worth the cost to me in the long run.
Excellent preview. I was a bit turned off by the proprietary resin aspect, but I see that they are addressing the pricing concerns. I just checked their store to find that the UltraPrint-Modeling PAS10 Standard Modeling Resin is only $33USD. I can only imagine what Formlabs is thinking.😅
This is a good video. Like you, i was a bit hesitant on l proprietary resins. As i do professional printing and needed a much more vast array of resin materials, i ended up going with the Form 4. Now, THAT cost a lot, but what i found is that having a company that has their printer resin dialed in, and a slicer that knows its resin and machine, the failure level is decreased to actually save money. Multiply that over a longer time, and the initial investment put in isn't nearly as bad. Add in the piece of mind, and it's not a hard choice if you have the money.
While the Form 4 can print outside resin, I like that the material is simply superior in its comparables to other brands in hardness, flexural strength, heat resistance, etc. I like that it can print silicone, aluminum, and polyurethane. I like those options (not that i use all of them). But if i didnt get the Form 4, i wouldve gotten this. To me time is also money, and having time from start to finish is a game changer.
So true. This is the difference between companies that make printers and companies that make solutions
HeyGears’s and Formlabs make solutions and deliver a superior journey and product
The product is more than the machine. It’s everything around it.
That is a killer printer. Even the Athena printer is right up there with this machine.
While I'm not really their target customer, I definitely like that they are in the market and bringing options and new benefits to the market place for Resin Printer Companies to compete with and ultimately have to fold into their designs.
I think HeyGears will eventually have to bend a little with their "walled garden" approach, perhaps offer some sort of option to use 3rd party resins in an "empty/refill" bottle...
Great preview! Thank you for what you provide to the community/makers.
Ross, i think you slightly buried the lede on this video. Heygears' system didn't really click for me until literally the last minute. They're industrial manufacturers? Of course! Tight integration for maximum efficiency and performance is the norm with industrial machinery. I dabble with 3D printing, but professionally I work in traditional printing (laser, wide-format signage, etc.). All of our machines use proprietary materials, whether it's liquid ink, powder toner or repair parts. But the thing is, they all just work. Load it, hit continue, and keep working, because downtime is the profit-killer, not proprietary parts. That's Heygears' business model. I completely get the antipathy toward it, but i now really understand where Heygears are coming from, too.
Yep, that’s exactly right. But I have nothing industrial to compare to. It’s a different leave to the rest. But in the consumer space it’s in its own.
But it’s in its own. And without a rival, it’s hard to showcase it against anything else.
Thanks for making this. I am sorry the last one hurt your channel.
If they didn't force the use of their resin, then this would be the most talked about resin printer. In this hobby so many of us are tinkerers, and this is why it's getting so much hate. With all of that said, I'm still going to purchase one even being a tinkerer. I value convenient quality as well and this is exactly that. It's worth every single penny, but that's my own personal opinion because of what I value most when purchasing a printer.
Yep. Agreed on that
And you may be happy to know you can use other resins
When saving for such an expensive machine as the heygears, I'm always happy when they release one arguably better in that time. Hopefully I get one before they've released seven more models. haha
Haha. These guys so far are not in the typical “yearly” upgrade cycle
I want this printer (or it's older brother) - I just can't afford or justify it... yet. I'm still just putzing around with an old HalotOne I picked up used, but eventually I would updgrade to something like this. I like the ease of use and auto-supports you demonstrated. As for the resin - I can live with it because it's not a hobbiest printer. I expect this at the price point they sell their machines.
Great call
If it makes my 3d resin printing experience easier to deal with i'm all in... in fact this is exactly what ive been waiting for coming from a BambuLab print farmer :)
Great to hear!
If I had not just bought a GKtwo, I would consider this printer. But as I am going through a 2 kg bottle of resin every 3 weeks printing out OPR armies, being able to use Sunlu ABS like at $40 a bottle makes my hobby easier on my wallet. That is compaired to $45 a kg bottle of PARP10. I don't have the perfect print quality of the HeyGears, but I can affort a few misprints.
Thanks again dude for helping me choose my GKtwo!
Why are you spending $40 a bottle for Sunlu resin? Its like $25 on Amazon....And theres resin just as good for $18
@@anthonylong5870 I think yoiu missed this: "going through a 2 kg bottle of resin" which kinda implies he's buying the 2kg bottles
@@anthonylong5870 2kg bottle for $40, not the 1kg bottle.
This would have a no brainer for me if it didn’t ditch the heater and make it a separate purchase. I was adding the preorder to my cart until I heard that.. 🥶
I'm sold already on the proprietary resin topic... It makes total sense that the only way to guarantee this level of printing quality also involves fixing the resin to be used... it's a full system 🤷
I'm seriously considering buying it and your review influences my purchase here a lot.
Thanks kindly and I’m glad I explained it correctly
it's either this or the Gk3 for me... I do love how easy this is so might acually go for this one
2 very different machines. But good luck choosing
I have literally no experience 3d printing with resin; I’ve used FDM like twice at libraries or similar places, and I started watching your reviews because I also watch Artisans of Vaul, who recommended you. I have absolutely no plans to buy any 3d printer at any time in the future. I just think it’s really satisfying to see 3d printing. So… I don’t have an opinion? I hope you really meant that you wanted the whole spectrum of comments because mine is probably not at all helpful or in line with your usual audience. I hope you have a great day, though
Hey, mate. This is super helpful and I love to know why people come here. I really appreciate the recommendation from AoV too!
As much as I prefer keeping everything open source when it comes to 3d printers, I do have to say that I'm very tempted on getting this one because of the quality of life features. Not completely sold, though.
I had order the GK3 but cancel it, the cost for it was $1700.
Still want a tilting vat.
There's some amazing ideas here. Hell I'm now looking at my S4U to see if I can add a method to slightly lift the fep to prevent vacuuming.
Still for a first attempt the S4U really does feel amazing. I'd love to see HeyGears approach to it.
There are a few things I'm not happy about (because I feel like Uniformation does it better), like the buildplate and mounting. But this printer is exciting, I, just like I had with Uniformation, am just waiting for other brands to catch up on the things they do nail. My main concern of propriety resin is ... What if they stop producing it/go broke for some reason, it just bricks your printer. I get why they do it, and it has mayor benefits, but the potential cost is to high. Great video, great printer.
Common, was about to pull the trigger in the GKTWO and you upload this video...
Hello
I do understand that it might be completely irrelevant to this video , but im becoming curious, the way u review printer is very logical based and i do like it , that's why im continusly watching your content . I have a request though ; you have been reviewing all kind of printer cheap and expensive, is there any room for reviewing Form labs printer as well ? They are more like rolls Royce of the industry were everywhere u can find reviews of volkswagen golf review but not from them, now that u reviewing higher price segment it would be nice having one of the higher lvl as well 😊
Some down sides to be sure and not taken lightly, however it is still rather intriguing. I'd be curious to know the method of UV light projection/tech being used and it's projected lifespan.
I've never liked proprietary anything but I think in this case it's needed. Between their support features and all the little things that go into making prints on this easy I understand why you have to use their resin etc to make this function properly. Additionally based off the website this still seems to be an upgrade over their previous model for less money which is good, it makes it more accessible. I think if I ever got the chance to own one of these I'd likely enjoy it. I honestly think this is likely as close to plug and play as we'll get. I'm hoping they can continue to bring down cost to enter into their print space and make it accessible to more people while retaining the features that set them apart from other companies. I also hope that with wider adoption they can hopefully discount their resins a bit more and widen the range a little bit.
Thank you. Glad you got it!
I don't have an issue with paying a bit more for convenience and better build quality. I currently use a Prusa SL1S and almost exclusively use Prusa resin which costs quite a bit more but just works. Now that it looks like they have EU distribution sorted out I'm seriously considering picking one up.
Great point well made. I never used a Prusa. But may pick one up next time they release a new Resin Machine
@@FauxHammer I'd love to see a test video of the Prusa SL1S for sure
I went away from FDM printer because there was so much tinkering and have come back to it because of printers like Bambu.
I love the press play and here’s your printer. And I’m honestly so close to pulling the trigger on this as my first ever resin printer.
My problem is that I’ve been burnt by proprietary stuff before - what happens if/when the company goes bust? My expensive printer becomes a brick.
I’ve seen it before where high end companies, which are amazing, fold because no one supports them.
You can chuck any resin in this mate, check out Greedy 3D and Rising ape, both linked. They proved it works
As a SUPER SMALL print farm (6 Bambu Lab printers as a side project) I value "just functioning" over almost anything. My aim is to add a Heygear for small resin prints (resin cost is small) and an Elegoo for large prints where resin n is a big cost. Gimme a decent way to use 3rd party resin and I will only buy Heygear and most likely only buy Heygear resin in the end when all else sux...
So you can literally just chuck any resin in it, Greedy3D and Rising Ape have proved it
I can't justify the price of the printer/resin for myself. For me, the thing that counts the most, is the end result. And the end result is a mini in my hands. And even thou my printer is 1/7 price of this one, and resin I used is almost half the price of the cheapest HeyGears, I'm always surprised how nice my minis look.
Super helpful review, Ross. What is your experience with removing prints printed flat on the build plate? Ive always been a flexplate guy because i print a lot of plinths and bases flat, but i didnt put a flexplate on my S4U and its been a pain getting things off. Thoughts?
On the S4u, sounds like your base exposure is too high.
But on this. Models slide off like a dream. Sharp blade under a corner and “pop” off they come
Hi Ross, I’m torn between this and the reflex. My primary concern is
absolute sharpest detail with high performance engineering resin compatibility a second (ie printing molds directly instead of casting off a printed part. This will likely pay for the difference in cost quickly.) However if there are plans for a wider 405nm resin range in the future, I’d rather save $ with the RS and wait for those to come out. Did heygears communicate any detail on future resin products/compatabilty similar to the reflex ie 405 products? Conversely do you know if the rs will be locked out of high performance resin from a feature/product differentiation stand point? Cheers!
No Fuzz printing, like getting popular in FDM, is very welcoming! It makes the audience broader and as long as the resin is within reason to high quality resins like Sirayatech I really do not care. The risk is they start get greedy BUT all printer makers have had their products challenged by 3rd party replacements, I cannot see any issues refilling bottles. My Saturn 2 will work for many years more but I want easier and higher quality and faster slicing/removal of support.
Just ordered mine. Thanks for the great info!!
Your question on how they can incorporate 3rd party resins is actually another money making opportunity for HeyGears. Given enough money, they could be incentivized to do the testing up to the same standard as their in house resins. This would be most beneficial (and probably realistic) for those brands that don't also make their own printers.
Perhaps they are working on some partnerships…. Who knows.
I would be fine with proprietary resin if the price was more similar to the competition, like if it was on average ~$15 cheaper.
Uhhh, i would realy like that comparison video on the Refelx and the RS, and im so stoked that they grought out a new printer
Already recorded the audio. Just need tome to edit it. I have other printer reviews to do first.
The prints do look pretty damn nice
They are production quality. I’ve sent prints to a master moulder to use as masters and he wants more from me
so if you were starting from scratch and you had a choice to make, which one would you buy? - this printer, or the previous "bigger brother" UltraCraft Reflex?
For me. This has the features I want at a better price. The extra 3cm on the build width goes a long way
Honestly if I had the money and hadn't already brought a 3d printer if love to have this printer.
Yes it's expensive and yes you are limited by resin choice... But good gosh those prints are crisp! And them being able to have less clean is also a massive plus as that is something I hate about 3d printing!
Ross......not gonna bash the machine. Not gonna bash you.
I'm just never going to buy a machine that needs propriety resin.
That simple
Thanks for the review.
Thank you! I completely understand your position! and this is your decision to make
it would be helpful if you could now summarize all the printers you tested and help newbies choosing resin/fdm printer for them.
I plan to do that toward the end of the year, they release so many so fast, I can't do this as regular as I would like. I'll have one before end of October
Any thoughts on the PAS10 vs PAP10 resin when printing minis for tabletop use?
Thank's a lot for your awesome work!
What are the main differences to the older Reflex and why is this one so much cheaper?
There’s a few features they cut. Like the mechanical sluice gate for the resin feed. I have a comparison video coming, but it’s weeks away as I have other printers to review in the meantime time
I'm glad it's here for the people that would be unable/unwilling to get into 3d printing, but the walled garden and price tag for me is a bit much. I love the idea of the GKTwo as well, but that price is still so offputting. As of right now, my Mars 3 is pulling strong, even if I wish it was bigger. If/when I need to be in the market again, perhaps the convenience factors will sway me then
Hey, if you live your Mars and it’s still going strong… good. It’s an awesome printer and in ways it’s better than the 4 and 5
Hey what's up Ross! Just saw the premiere, sounds like a fantastic printer 😮.
I absolutely hate proprietary resin but I guess it makes sense and do think it's a very interesting printer worth considering.
Apparently it works just as well with 3rd party resin. Another reviewer has been doing tests for the past couple of months using the Reflex, and just put out a video on using SunLu standard in the RS.
well atleast you can buy them, in mexico we cant haha ):
Hey Ross, can you do a comparison of print quality between with and without the pulsing release module, as the module alone as an addon costs nearly as much as the printer itself? Maybe use a flat/even surface to show of the contact points and leftover cleaning
And what about changing the FEP film/foil? Do you have to buy a whole new set of 2 replaceable ones for 80€ or can you just switch out the FEP film?
Your wife is my girlfriend....she's still cool!
Xheers!😂
One of your best videos! I'm definitely looking forward to your discussion of resins. Will it be out before the pre-order sale price for this printer expires?
Thanks. Unfortunately not. I have 2 Elegoo videos to do before that.
what happens when they go out of business and you cant buy more resin?
Does it fart resin fumes when it vents hot air? Because for me that might be the difference between "maybe" and "hard pass".
Constructive feedback here,
I'd love see you test accuracy and shrink of prints from the printers.
Meaning if i print a 10cm cube or a 300cm cube. How close is the print in each axis. Im sure you get the idea. Accurate for both large and small prints.
I take that as constructive, but that is more of a Dennys Wang thing. he's done some great tests on this already and he is wowell worth checking out for that. I just like to have a ramble and show sexy clips
Has anyone else noticed the large Wolverine Lego guy in the background?
As always thank you for another great review and I am the few who does like HeyGears printer!
Glad someone spotted that. Little preview for you