New Jersey Caught Keeping Baby Blood
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
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Unbeknownst to parents, a portion of their baby’s blood remained unused after a standard screening was complete. And New Jersey had unilaterally decided that it could keep that blood for 23 years. Even worse, New Jersey, along with other states, believed it could use that blood however it saw fit, whether that be selling it to third parties, giving it to law enforcement, or even turning it over to the Pentagon.
On today’s episode of Beyond the Brief, hosts Kim Norberg and Keith Neely talk to IJ Attorneys Rob Frommer and Brian Morris about New Jersey’s creepy baby blood collection scheme.
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EXACTLY HOW DO I FIND OUT WHAT DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS HAVE DONE WITH THE BIOLOGICAL SAMPLES THEY HAVE TAKEN FROM ME AND MY FAMILY, IF SOLD OR GIVEN TO OTHERS , HOW DO I FIND OUT JUST WHO THEY SOLD/GAVE IT TO, AND ON DOWN THE LINE!!! IF DNA TESTS WERE DONE, AND WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE DATA!!
I HAVE LOTS OF FREE TIME TO FILL OUT REQUESTS AND FILE FORMS, BUT MY SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK IS JUST $373 PER MONTH!!!! IM 65 NOW!! NO OTHER INCOME!!
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I can't imagine there was fully informed consent here...
Very creepy and dystopian
Agreed!
This is beyond creepy.
"Dystopia does not predict the future. It criticizes the present."
Hmm.
Time to sue
We are!
@@InstituteForJustice I have an honest-to-God question, especially since your comment denotes such a high level of optimism.
My question is based on your optimism and predicated on behalf of everybody in WHATEVER state this suing will be done. HOW are you optimistic or enthusiastic when ANYBODY and EVERYBODY knows that people like me who have their wages stolen [you're absolutely NOT obligated to forfeit your income-based wages] -- WE are the ones who will be burdened by the settlement -- NOT THE STATE! We also know that they'll continue doing what they were being sued for, because unless laws are changed and laws are actually enforced the way they should be, NOTHING will change. Are you solely optimistic because you see a payday? You consistently referred to these people as clients, so I can only assume you saw a business prospect.
@@InstituteForJustice I have a 4th Amendment question concerning a well known traveling vlogger:
Travis Heintze is regularly been woken up in the middle of the night in his car for some bogus "welfare checks" and "figuring what is going on".
As he lives in his car while he travels shouldn't he enjoy all 4th Amendment rights and just tell them to come back again when he's on the road for a legal traffic stop or try to get a warrant and leave him alone for the rest of the night ffs?
I mean that is an attack on his health if they're waking him up each night at a different place and even if parking would be not allowed: put a ticket on his window and get lost ASAP, right? Or have it mailed to his home address where his car is registered.
What are they thinking they are?
Shouldn't he enjoy the fullness of his 4th Amendment rights also inside of his parked car with visual sun light/privacy protection put up around all his car windows already.
They're not entitled to someone answering the door for daily random BS "welfare checks" with. Same applies to his car in my book.
Am I missing something?
@@chrise-ih4ix He´s been fucked over so many times it´s unbelievable. It´s straight bullying to be honest. People living "respectable", civilized lives have always felt threatened by others not valuing what they value and not living like they live. According to them you must have a residence, sleep in a bed, shop at the grocery store, do a specialized job, pay your taxes, get married, have a family, live as long as possible, pay the same bills they´re paying etc. etc. Any alternative lifestyle threatens their beloved, comfortable status quo and must be crushed. Travis is a sweet guy who would never hurt a fly, but the system can´t stand deviations.
@@vikipoyta The courts are absolutely clear: Your parked car at night in which you sleep is afforded all 4th Amendment rights protections.
Thank you for exposing this.
Thanks for watching!
@@InstituteForJustice 28:39 they may try an end run around this.
Sure, they can be ordered to destroy the sample, but that means very little if they do a DNA test for their records before that destruction.
The suit better cover that base as well.
I noticed that this came to light from a criminal investigation.
With all the DNA lineage sites out there, who is to say that they are not going to seek out specific blood lines???
Mr. Mustache patterned his goals after the playbook of those in our own government during times of slavery.
If you had 1/10th of a specific blood relationship, you were 3/5ths of a human.
Deutzland was not the first country to do this, sorry to say.
So basically your DNA is registered without consent
It only took me like 2 minutes to find on New York State's website where they admit to doing the exact same thing, and that they keep the samples for up to 27 years, and that they can use them for forensic purposes. So I find this as alarming as you do, but it's definitely not a secret.
Is New York in New Jersey?
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Between hacking and government using underhanded methods to obtain dna are two reasons I refuse to use the ancestry companies. Which is sad because I would really like to.
As well as foreign governments. China hacked our military special operations personal database. The first data they went for? Classified operations history? Nah, genetic profiles of our special operations soldiers. And the CCP, via CCP controlled companies, have their hands in all these genetic testing companies too.
Didn't Alex Jones talk about something like that years ago and everyone called it a crazy conspiracy ?
A broken clock is right twice a day. Just because one theory was right, doesn't make him correct. Also it was only one state.
That was dancing around a simple question.@@Tex_actual
I don't know, did he? There are a lot of stories I could come up with that sound "something like [this]", and they would still be conspiracy theories. You tell me, how close were his random ramblings to the truth, actually?
@@jess_o What is funny is that he doesn't make things up, he just READS what certain publications put out that YOU will never read because apparently YOU do not WANT to. And just because YOU do not KNOW, doesn't mean it is unknowable.
Enjoy the shit cake you ingest daily.
@@Tex_actualthat we KNOW of!!!
Gotta do a story on all the innocent citizens being watchlisted and called "non-investigative subjects" and having their lives destroyed
a baby has the same constitutional rights as an adult. the state has NO right to even take the blood in the first place.
Sadly this is not true. Children do not have the right to due process, for instance. However, in this instance, I do believe that legally, at least the parents rights have been violated, and most likely the children too. I'm not disagreeing or arguing with you, just think more people should be aware about the limitations of juvenile rights, and if so, maybe eventually things like kids not having the right to due process will change.
@@davidgreenwood6029 I would say parents are the ones who protect their children's rights. for example a cop can't interrogate a minor unless a parent is present and waives the right to a lawyer.
@@gino007ableok yea the parents rights do extend to their children in many ways... But not all. The right to due process among the ones that children do not have and parents rights do not extend to.
@@davidgreenwood6029such as?
@@brandonburns5365I already said, kids don't have a right to due process. Ask me how I know. Hint. I found out. Had cops apologizing to me saying her sorry this isn't supposed to work like this, this asshole judge will be dead from liver cancer form alcoholism soon and won't be able to endlessly fuck with minors for having a drink.
When you’re born, you belong to the state. So not surprised. This is why I never messed around with those DNA tracing tests. Too weird. It’s a giant collection database.
Collected by Chinese companies in large measure looking for genetic frailties they can use against us.
I wonder what was done with those covid tests at labs?
Only if your parents filed a birth certificate. That's where you got sold to the Federal Reserve Bank and got "bonded".
Problem is, your family probably already have. So you are in the system because of them. Happened to me.
Birth at home, folks. Encourage your children to have homebirths. ALL these issues are avoided in a PRIVATE birth at home. Did you know you can REFUSE the triple screen ‘heel stick’ in hospital? Do you know what alleged ‘diseases’ are screened for, and your baby’s alleged risk for ‘diseases’? Did your OB advise for risk benefit from stabbing your newborn’s foot? Do you know the false positive rate for the ‘heel stick’? What is the test’s accuracy rate? When you SIGNED the consent to EVERYTHING in hospital, do you know WHY you did that? Is that how you allow people to control you and violate your body integrity and Constitutional (state and federal) rights in other areas of your life? THINK ABOUT IT.
You know this doesn’t surprise me at all.
Might check where all the nasal swabs went. Millions went through laboratories!
They already know they were sold to China. China is trying to develope diseases that only affect non Asians.
So true!
People are too concerned with petty differences to fight against an overzealous and corrupt government!
About 10 years ago, I was the victim of a home burglary in Sacramento CA. One item which was stolen was an older firearm. Less than a month later, police recovered my firearm, but held onto it for more than a year. Every month I would have to send them a letter, begging them not to destroy my firearm while I jumped through ever increasingly difficult hoops to required to get it back. In total, it was in the custody of 3 different agencies and it cost more than the original purchase price to have it returned to me.
What about adult blood or DNA - are they kept too?
If law enforcement can plant drugs, they can plant blood/DNA, too.
That's a very good question.
Like every time one goes to the doctor and they ALWAYS push yearly blood work.
Do they also store, harvest, compile, and sell THAT blood too, WITHOUT "Informed Consent".......
Are these people Vampires.....
@@julies2814🤔 Things to make go hmmm.
This affects everyone regardless of age. It is an easy step for the State to require a few drops from everyone's annual blood test. Speaking of that, what does happen there???
And even if the was a system for parental opt in, that wouldn't really be valid unless there was a full disclosure without any leading questions or coercion. AND, once the baby in question becomes their own adult, the parents' opt-in is then moot. We either have complete body autonomy or we have none.
I think we know the answer to that. We don't and it's not right.
The baby can't give consent the parents shouldn't even be able to provide that consent unless it's narrowly tailored and protects that child's future rights
I got my child's blood patch back from CA government within 3 months. But I wouldn't be surprised if they documented the DNA sequence.
Government overreach is mind-blowing and there's no justification for it none at all. If u trade security for liberty you deserve neither.
The government is so creepy sometimes.
Agree. However I'd retract the word "sometimes" ... especially when "creepy" is a colloquialism for "government encroachment."
They are beyond creepy 100% of the time.
Soylent Green is people.
Sometimes?
Government 2024
"1984"😮
It is weird to even test the blood for 62 disorders without the parent's consent. No hospital should require it in THEIR hospital, let alone the government.
Government at all levels has become morally, ethically and intellectually bankrupt.
The more I watch videos from America the more I am totally convinced that "America the land of the free" is a total fallacy. I thought South Africa in apartheid was bad in being a police state, but the USA goes far beyond that. The absolute control government has over its citizens is shocking. The law suits happening daily for various reasons is mind boggling.
🤡 do not pretend to know anything about apartheid either you or some rich kid or you're not old enough to remember but no apartheid it was fu
king horrible in Africa. I mean murder in Death at a rate that has never been published. So take your comment and stick it where it belongs which is the trash. The USA goes for Beyond apartheid yeah they threw our election and everything else is the FBI against us and all of this doesn't even make a pimple on the ass of apartheid which was about people being able to actually vote. It reminds me of the idiots that call Jordan Peterson a Nazi it's like y'all have no real world experience go home and grow vegetables okay
We have all been lied to. Time to wake up America from the nightmare and regain our right to Liberty 🗽🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸2024
And the potential to get horribly worse is right around the corner. A presidential candidate whose lawyer argues the president can (potentially) assassinate a political rival and have immunity from the murder. That he still has supporters (no matter how bad anyone may think any opponent or *rival* might be) is the much greater risk - blaming and being afraid of a generic "government" has become a cop-out for an ignorant electorate.
There doesnt seem to be any rights our government will not tread on.
1215 Magna Carta "Phrase “due process of law” first appeared as substitute for Magna Carta’s “the law of the land” in a 1354 statute of King Edward III [lov gov] NO Warrant, NO Blood.
Good topic and a starting discussion on larger issue that has been hidden. The people now must be brought into the light.
The more I hear, the more flabbergasted I am at the corruption in this country.
Keep up the great work, IJ!
Isn’t this a HIPA violation as well?
Remembering the lady nurse who refused to draw blood from an unconscious patient per a law officers order and she was arrested and drove off to jail.
Oh No!
Legislatures have given authority to executive branch, to write regulations, policies ... in turn they have passed this on to agencies. thus Unconstitutional issues are created due to *Lack of Oversight.* see REINS Act HR 277
This will be used an excuse to disregard the existing laws = Constitution.
Like any other informed consent, is it safe to assume that the consent can be withdrawn at any time? And why isn’t the consent automatically withdrawn when the minor child becomes an adult at 18? It’s extremely disturbing to see the underhanded (and likely unconstitutional) ways the government uses to obtain evidence. And for state agencies to collect and store this information without consent or a warrant, it reeks of civil asset forfeiture.
The HOSPITAL initiates this
you literally can't trust anyone...
New Jersey is not acting like a state, it's acting like thee state!
Good luck with this fight. ❤
Everyone is overwhelmed by what is in the mainstream news. This is an example proving that what horrifies the most is what is left out of it.
So so freaking scary.
They do WHAT?!…thats insane
IJ is an amazing organization!
almost all personalized data collection should be federally outlawed with the strictest punishments for violations.
Another case of lack of trust.
Another case of government overreach!
This will just turn into collecting data about the blood, including genetic testing. That way everyone who's blood matches, they will instantly know the name and if they know a name, they could know the genetic information, including information on eye color, skin color, ect.
Repost?
UNCONSTITUTIONAL...#4
I just reqched out to the state of ND where my kids were born and they hang on the the samples untill the child is 18!! I would have never guessed they did that!
Medical research statistics without identification?
After 2014, unfortunately, in the State of MN the default is the Minn. Dept of Health can keep the blood spots used for the PKU testing, etc., unless the parents direct MDH to destroy it. The default should be to destroy it unless parents give consent to retention.
Just had a baby in NJ can i get involved?
The Institute for Justice takes donations.
California has the California Biobank Program which has been storing the dried blood spots since the mid 1980s. Their program has over 20 million such blood spot cards They also don’t ask parents for permission to keep them either, and only provide parents with a pamphlet.
Imagine if they sell that to insurance companies and they test it and determine your child may develop a disease in the future. Not being able to get life insurance or have higher rates on health insurance.
12:35 doesn’t this extend to asset civil forfeiture as well?
1:22 “we did some digger deeping”
Very disturbing. I am a parent in Utah and have always considered it a nanny state. I have multiple children born here. Any consent I gave was only for my being able to leave the hospital without being arrested
If the Constitution states that police need a valid search warrant and that search warrant has to specify what is to be seized then if you obtain blood from babies to specifically check for diseases but use for purposes other than the original intention that's wrong. If in the course of conducting a search something illegal is found that wasn't in the search warrant then it's inadmissible as evidence, IOW, it was obtained illegally. Same should go for blood samples that were originally obtained for medical purposes and not criminal investigations.
Oregon says newborn bloodspots are only kept for one year, according to DHHS.
Pretty sure New Jersey is run by vampires
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How ghoulish!!
📜Do Not Let the Blood 📜
Utah? The state with the largest most extensive database in the world; the Latter Day Saints LDS MORMON database? Now thats interesting
Did RUclips flag the video?? Had to reupload?
RSS issues. All is well!
Well if this isnt a HIPPA violation then i dontnknow what is!!
this is so wrong on so many levels
Adrenochrome anyone?
Her voice is oddly affected.
Unbelievable!!!
Odd question do you think NJ is giving the baby bonds because of this? Like oh we have been paying you. You consented.
Why the reupload? Didn’t like what someone said in the comments?
Why do you care? This should be headline national news
RSS issues. All is well!
Why are you so paranoid ?
Simple English
The Declaration - "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, "
Governments (plural) are instituted to secure unalienable rights.
Consent of the governed is NOT Democracy (see federalist Paper #10). The governed are consenting to "just powers", securing unalienable rights.
"but rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will, within the limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others.
I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’; because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual." - Jefferson
Is this about the fact that the hospitals keep the placenta of babies born there? i.e. Stem cells?
I love you IJ
Ohio Administrative Code 3701-55-03 states the time limits that blood is to be kept. Problem there is that "not less than" is violative to compelling governmental interest after initial testing is complete. If you know, you know.
Just what does THE STATE do with it? You never say
I noticed that too.
What about Tucson AZ in 1967?
What?
Shared / Makes me wonder if there are others ?
Seizure of property or person, 4th Amendment NJ blood draw
Home birth and a midwife if you have that option.
Another reason I'm glad we just skipped the test.
Seems the child has rights, too. If the parents sell the child's blood, the DNA could later be used against the child! No one should be able to authorize robbing a child of his DNA privacy!
Thanks. I would like to hear I.J.'s take on BIOMETRICS. The "Common Core" education system was (is?) using a bunch of metrics, like posture, pupil dilation, area of focus on certain graphics, keystroke pressures, etc... to measure everything possible to rate the child's reaction to stimuli. To me, this is like the system is peeking down the kids' pants to find sexual orientations and more. Sensors were installed in the issued laptops, even their chairs to spy this data. Please?
You need mental therapy. Badly.
Dont have your baby in a state hospital and u wont need shister liars.
This sounds like the DNA companies that do genetic heritage profiling for customers might get into 4th amendment issues if they turn DNA results over to police too.
23 years???
What...the...f...
What do you think happens with your dna tests?
What would they need baby's blood for?? For setting somebody up??? Can't do this. But id hope if someone kept my blood and had it tested, they would sounds like a setup to me!!
Organ harvesting
WoW.😮
Wait. How does it fall through the cracks? The 4th A is clear.
Adrenochrome
Exactly. It’s another satanic sacrifice. They’re selecting children for the future.
Go after Utah first!!!
No property of state!!!
Date Michigan started harvesting blood ?
The continuing seizure issue is very interesting, it has some common area with an issue I´ve been considering when watching "auditing" videos here on youtube. Consider the following scenario which is very common for these people: Auditor goes into police station filming some type of business they´re doing. Police get called and ask for identification, so a seizure under the 4th. Auditor refuses. Police detain auditor and obtain identification through what is the worlds most obvious 4th amendment violation. Now the police has this information permanently, information that they have no business holding in the first place. This identifying information is now part of the public record, permanently. It can now be presumed to be known by everybody in the state apparatus through databases or personal involvement. It leaves a permanent trail between the person and "anti-government" activity, a trail that becomes impossible to remove, if not from records then at least from the minds of everyone involved. So Pandora´s box has been opened, and there is no way to predict the type of harm that could cause.
So let´s say everything goes according to plan for the auditor in question, they sue and win some monetary settlement for unlawful detainment of person and seizure of papers. But there is no actual complete remedy, because the information that was illegally obtained cannot be deleted from existence. This information that the government is not supposed to have could very well be used against the auditor in future dealings with the government, and this happens to auditors all the time. So how do you put that genie back in the bottle? I don´t even see where to begin the process, because once the lawfare starts it´s all presumptively public anyway. Redaction can´t impact information that officials hold in their heads and share with each other. It seems to me that these types of unlawful info seizures are continuing ad infinitum, all because officials act unlawfully.
What's with the creepy bass sound track leading in? I almost stopped listening.
OMG
GOD SAVE US🙏🇺🇲
sht, they got a bunch of mine too....
It's umbilical cord blood