I wish I could post some photos I took but I'd follow Discharge for years and they were great and when Anti-Sect came on the scene they were a great support to Discharge around 1982 and even pulled out of a gig in Stoke as they thought the ticket prices were to high at the time (£3) so they pulled out. Ulster demo my fave.
Seeing the on screen flyer at 18:50 reminded me I was at the Vale Social Club gig, and then again at 19:45, the Union Rowing Club gig. Both were great gigs.
Relating to the conversation around 28:00 - when I arrived in LA I met Jang at a benefit show in Inglewood he'd set up. Afterwards he said to me he modeled it on UK anarcho-punk gigs and asked me how it compared. My answer was basically that it had taken a positive ideal of what those gigs were (or aspired to be, perhaps) and made it a reality; i.e. that it wasn't really the same, but much better in many aspects. I told him that those 80's gigs were a messy mix of things, as the reality dictated, generally just very basic venues, people turning up hours before, having hitch-hiked there, noisy music, begging cigarettes (usually roll-ups, being much cheaper), begging a little beer perhaps, money even ('got any spare change, mate?'), and maybe there were sometimes other things arranged, sometimes very well even, like cheap food, literature, etc., etc., but usually it was more basic - just the noise, the run-down and very basic venue, meagre, often faulty, equipment, poor punters, getting by on their begging and hitch-hiking, standing about, a bit of drinking and smoking, maybe the odd leaflet from the band or someone else. And also maybe kind of confused and not too clearly-directed; like we had these political feelings and ideas but hadn't made enough clear sense of them or at least figured out what to do with them (some people had, and those people organised more positive things, but most of us hadn't). That gig in Inglewood had a bunch of bands, but also speakers between the bands, and a big room full of different people (probably maybe like 20 stalls there) with books, CDs, periodicals, leaflets about actual, active organisations, people who made stuff (I seem to recall checking out some jewellery) etc. And it wasn't just all punk, or all 'anarchy', but a whole variety of types of concerns were represented there, many very community-based and practical, some more general and 'large scale', and it wasn't really a punk venue either, but a local community legal support centre or something. The money raised, if I understood correctly, was to help a local guy not get deported. I can't say it all resonated with me, or even that I agreed with all ideas that I understood as being promoted there, but I'm from a different context entirely, so that's natural, and a variety of points of view is a good thing, so with all that it had a lot of the kind of focus Lippy is talking about here; actual broader communication and activity beyond the noise-making. He'd have liked it. A shame Antisect weren't in town already, that would have been a nice, down-to-earth opener for the tour. Maybe a 'surprise appearance'.
I went with Lippy to John's basement flat on Watkin Terrace in Northampton to ask him to join Antisect. When was that, 84, 85? John made us a plate of mashed potato each. He coloured it blue using blue food dye, so we all sat eating a pile of blue mush in John's apartment. We had quite a laugh at ourselves. These details are important. I should write a book of 'Laughs with Antisect'.
I'll add a little something to the 'difficult issue' raised here. I'll preface it by saying that although no-one's perfect in their dealings with others all the time, so not to say I haven't had any negative issue with anyone in Antisect personally, as they themselves might not have found me perfect all the time either, I can't say I have any desire but to be friendly with any of them, past and present, or any reason to not be so. It's pretty much 99% respect and positive feelings, I would say, as concerns every single one of them. As I say, we're not all perfect, so I'd accept my own guilt too for not always seeing eye to eye, as Pete does here too, and me and him haven't always done so either, though I consider him a very good, old friend. So it's been a sad thing that stuff has happened, and that I got a little (very little, extremely mild by comparison) caught up it, blocked by one or two people, etc., maybe seen as part of something, or whatever. But I feel I should share these things in support of Pete's point of view here. One morning in the early or maybe mid 90's, me having stayed over at his place in Stoke Newington (London) after an evening out in the pub, he got a royalty cheque in the post from Southern Studios. And he explained to me the same story he gives here, about discovering the CD rerelease, asking Southern about it, etc., them starting to send him the cheques, etc. It may even be the case that it was me that told him about the CD. I remember finding it by chance maybe in Tower Records. He actually asked me that morning if I knew where the other former band members were, seeing as I went back to Northampton sometimes, and was living there not so long before (I was living in London already by this time). I told him that I didn't, that maybe some mutual friend back there had some contact with someone, but I hadn't seen any of them for a good while (3 or 4 years at the minimum, I would say, maybe even as much as twice that), or heard any mention of them. That was true. This was a decade pretty much before any of us were even using email seriously, so only actual person to person in the physical world would you hear about anybody. But the point is that he did want to find them, asked me if I could help, and at the time was keeping the money, not spending it. It's maybe true that with more effort he could have found them, but, you know, it wasn't straightforward, he might not have thought about it as much as he should have, but I don't believe it was any kind of malicious stealing or any premeditated ploy to get anything. As well, I didn't see any of them, not for many years, in fact not until Antisect reformed, even though I'd go to Northampton a couple of times a year on average. I only heard very tangential mention of one former member of the band, and not even that anyone had actually even had a conversation with that person. So the break in contact was very real. The second point is, having gone to Finland to see them, going on the first US tour with them, doing the merch, etc. on that tour, being with them also in Wales at the Dirty Weekend and in Moscow, there certainly was no 'making money' going on, or even any attempt to do so. Here in Moscow they stayed in such a shitty place that it was like going back in time to my first visits to Russia in the early 90s, and that was one night, then they stayed at my place, on one couch and the floor. Bunk beds were the only 'luxury' in Wales, the shacks in the trees in Finland were kind of nice, but basic (there's a picture here in this video that I took that shows them outside one), and that US tour was floors and couches, and the odd bed, except for the hotel the festival had cheaply block booked in Austin, and one motel we stayed at in West Virginia, where we were between shows and didn't know anybody, and were ill, also a cheap motel, shared rooms as usual, in Reseda for the first gig. I sold all the records and t-shirts on that tour. The prices were kept low for the whole tour. Customers kept telling me we could sell them for more. I think we started at 10 dollars and went down to 8 in the end. We gave a good few away, to the odd impoverished person, and certainly to those who put us up or helped us out. Also with the 10'' records - there were plenty of collectors who wanted a bunch of them, asking me for 8 copies at a time, etc., but I was under instructions to sell only one per customer, so that enough went around, and to fans, not collectors or those who would sell them on. They were cheap too (8 bucks, I think). There was a mere desire to break even, nothing more. Once Laurence figured that we'd likely break even we actually started reducing the price of everything, plus they started giving me 20 bucks allowance a day since they decided I was actually being useful to them. The circumstances might have been different, but the same vibe of 'take the minimum from the audience, and give back as much as you can' that I experienced with them in the 80s was still there. No 'financial motivation' whatsoever, beyond merely financing the tour, i.e. simply making it possible.
I felt the exact same way when they came through the states and stayed at my place. They were all extremely polite and I didn’t catch one bit of greed. They gave me a couple t shirts n buttons. One slept on the couch, another in a bed and Lippy himself slept in a chair for fucks sake! It’s all I had and it was met with gratitude. No complaints!!! That was last year and I’d have ‘em back in an heartbeat. Good people.
Polly was deliberately excluded from the reunionon. Not hing to do with him being in Sweden. Craig your just another person who's been beguiled by Lippy. Wake up mate he a fake
Asked if the song 'Something To Hate' was written about a previous member, the answer and the body language don't match, the lyrics are not a general attack but seem much more specific when added up. Sure, the interviewee had taken an online pasting over the years,so why not be honest? If you agree you owed your band mates money back then for spending the royalties then surely you still do now, regardless of the record company pulling the re-release? Lastly, the guy is not a 'shit guitarist' as he says laughingly, he's a very very good riff writer and certainly had a big influence on the 80's scene.
@@davidbuchanan5383 Real headbanger aka Pete Boyce had his chance 8 years ago but spat his dummy out all over facebook so much that Southern scrapped their planned remastered re-release of In Darkness. Lippy had done the re-mastering and was gunna give the other old members all the royalties. But Real headbanger cut off his nose to spite his face and that of his old compadres. And the fans too, what a pity. it was gunna have new liner notes and additional archive pix. And Lippy later wrote to all the 1st LP band members offering to meet and sort it but he got no reply. Real headbanger chose instead to spend 8 years spewing bile and deluded bullshit on his toxic ASUnofficial fb page while doing fuck all positive. As he says in the interview above "he doesn't hold those life views anymore"...
Craig I so wanted to be involved in the reunion but couldn't work with people that I found to be insincere. If Antisect and what they stood for was of no interest to me then why did I not just walk away? The band was of such importance to me that I've felt in necessary to tell people what had happened. I find the term spat his dummy out rather offensive as it was far more than that. Lippy may be your mate as you have something he can use. Let's hope you aren't spat out if that ever changes.
@@TheRealHeadBanger Now who is being offensive??? The sum total of your creativity over 8 years = 1. A memorystick of a practice demo recorded, not for release, but for you to rehearse at home because you couldn't be arsed travelling to London for rehearsals and because you kept on forgetting your words; and 2. Superimposing dogshit on the Rising LP sleeve. And you say I am embarrassing seriously???
I wish I could post some photos I took but I'd follow Discharge for years and they were great and when Anti-Sect came on the scene they were a great support to Discharge around 1982 and even pulled out of a gig in Stoke as they thought the ticket prices were to high at the time (£3) so they pulled out. Ulster demo my fave.
Seeing the on screen flyer at 18:50 reminded me I was at the Vale Social Club gig, and then again at 19:45, the Union Rowing Club gig. Both were great gigs.
Bad ass, I love this band. Thank you for all these great years.
I wrote the blog anarchoscene almost 20 years ago. As a given, this channel has been a treat.
Fuckin love antisect saw em a bunch of times in the 80s , this band and amebix saved my life , glad to see em return different and triumphant.
Relating to the conversation around 28:00 - when I arrived in LA I met Jang at a benefit show in Inglewood he'd set up. Afterwards he said to me he modeled it on UK anarcho-punk gigs and asked me how it compared. My answer was basically that it had taken a positive ideal of what those gigs were (or aspired to be, perhaps) and made it a reality; i.e. that it wasn't really the same, but much better in many aspects. I told him that those 80's gigs were a messy mix of things, as the reality dictated, generally just very basic venues, people turning up hours before, having hitch-hiked there, noisy music, begging cigarettes (usually roll-ups, being much cheaper), begging a little beer perhaps, money even ('got any spare change, mate?'), and maybe there were sometimes other things arranged, sometimes very well even, like cheap food, literature, etc., etc., but usually it was more basic - just the noise, the run-down and very basic venue, meagre, often faulty, equipment, poor punters, getting by on their begging and hitch-hiking, standing about, a bit of drinking and smoking, maybe the odd leaflet from the band or someone else. And also maybe kind of confused and not too clearly-directed; like we had these political feelings and ideas but hadn't made enough clear sense of them or at least figured out what to do with them (some people had, and those people organised more positive things, but most of us hadn't). That gig in Inglewood had a bunch of bands, but also speakers between the bands, and a big room full of different people (probably maybe like 20 stalls there) with books, CDs, periodicals, leaflets about actual, active organisations, people who made stuff (I seem to recall checking out some jewellery) etc. And it wasn't just all punk, or all 'anarchy', but a whole variety of types of concerns were represented there, many very community-based and practical, some more general and 'large scale', and it wasn't really a punk venue either, but a local community legal support centre or something. The money raised, if I understood correctly, was to help a local guy not get deported. I can't say it all resonated with me, or even that I agreed with all ideas that I understood as being promoted there, but I'm from a different context entirely, so that's natural, and a variety of points of view is a good thing, so with all that it had a lot of the kind of focus Lippy is talking about here; actual broader communication and activity beyond the noise-making. He'd have liked it. A shame Antisect weren't in town already, that would have been a nice, down-to-earth opener for the tour. Maybe a 'surprise appearance'.
I went with Lippy to John's basement flat on Watkin Terrace in Northampton to ask him to join Antisect. When was that, 84, 85? John made us a plate of mashed potato each. He coloured it blue using blue food dye, so we all sat eating a pile of blue mush in John's apartment. We had quite a laugh at ourselves. These details are important. I should write a book of 'Laughs with Antisect'.
I'll add a little something to the 'difficult issue' raised here. I'll preface it by saying that although no-one's perfect in their dealings with others all the time, so not to say I haven't had any negative issue with anyone in Antisect personally, as they themselves might not have found me perfect all the time either, I can't say I have any desire but to be friendly with any of them, past and present, or any reason to not be so. It's pretty much 99% respect and positive feelings, I would say, as concerns every single one of them. As I say, we're not all perfect, so I'd accept my own guilt too for not always seeing eye to eye, as Pete does here too, and me and him haven't always done so either, though I consider him a very good, old friend. So it's been a sad thing that stuff has happened, and that I got a little (very little, extremely mild by comparison) caught up it, blocked by one or two people, etc., maybe seen as part of something, or whatever. But I feel I should share these things in support of Pete's point of view here. One morning in the early or maybe mid 90's, me having stayed over at his place in Stoke Newington (London) after an evening out in the pub, he got a royalty cheque in the post from Southern Studios. And he explained to me the same story he gives here, about discovering the CD rerelease, asking Southern about it, etc., them starting to send him the cheques, etc. It may even be the case that it was me that told him about the CD. I remember finding it by chance maybe in Tower Records. He actually asked me that morning if I knew where the other former band members were, seeing as I went back to Northampton sometimes, and was living there not so long before (I was living in London already by this time). I told him that I didn't, that maybe some mutual friend back there had some contact with someone, but I hadn't seen any of them for a good while (3 or 4 years at the minimum, I would say, maybe even as much as twice that), or heard any mention of them. That was true. This was a decade pretty much before any of us were even using email seriously, so only actual person to person in the physical world would you hear about anybody. But the point is that he did want to find them, asked me if I could help, and at the time was keeping the money, not spending it. It's maybe true that with more effort he could have found them, but, you know, it wasn't straightforward, he might not have thought about it as much as he should have, but I don't believe it was any kind of malicious stealing or any premeditated ploy to get anything. As well, I didn't see any of them, not for many years, in fact not until Antisect reformed, even though I'd go to Northampton a couple of times a year on average. I only heard very tangential mention of one former member of the band, and not even that anyone had actually even had a conversation with that person. So the break in contact was very real. The second point is, having gone to Finland to see them, going on the first US tour with them, doing the merch, etc. on that tour, being with them also in Wales at the Dirty Weekend and in Moscow, there certainly was no 'making money' going on, or even any attempt to do so. Here in Moscow they stayed in such a shitty place that it was like going back in time to my first visits to Russia in the early 90s, and that was one night, then they stayed at my place, on one couch and the floor. Bunk beds were the only 'luxury' in Wales, the shacks in the trees in Finland were kind of nice, but basic (there's a picture here in this video that I took that shows them outside one), and that US tour was floors and couches, and the odd bed, except for the hotel the festival had cheaply block booked in Austin, and one motel we stayed at in West Virginia, where we were between shows and didn't know anybody, and were ill, also a cheap motel, shared rooms as usual, in Reseda for the first gig. I sold all the records and t-shirts on that tour. The prices were kept low for the whole tour. Customers kept telling me we could sell them for more. I think we started at 10 dollars and went down to 8 in the end. We gave a good few away, to the odd impoverished person, and certainly to those who put us up or helped us out. Also with the 10'' records - there were plenty of collectors who wanted a bunch of them, asking me for 8 copies at a time, etc., but I was under instructions to sell only one per customer, so that enough went around, and to fans, not collectors or those who would sell them on. They were cheap too (8 bucks, I think). There was a mere desire to break even, nothing more. Once Laurence figured that we'd likely break even we actually started reducing the price of everything, plus they started giving me 20 bucks allowance a day since they decided I was actually being useful to them. The circumstances might have been different, but the same vibe of 'take the minimum from the audience, and give back as much as you can' that I experienced with them in the 80s was still there. No 'financial motivation' whatsoever, beyond merely financing the tour, i.e. simply making it possible.
I felt the exact same way when they came through the states and stayed at my place. They were all extremely polite and I didn’t catch one bit of greed. They gave me a couple t shirts n buttons. One slept on the couch, another in a bed and Lippy himself slept in a chair for fucks sake! It’s all I had and it was met with gratitude. No complaints!!! That was last year and I’d have ‘em back in an heartbeat. Good people.
Love u guys man -- best punk band /anarcho
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If you are reading this Lippy ... howdy!
Polly made an important contribution to this band - he seems to have been airbrushed out of the band's history ?
Fucking truth.
Airbrushed how? He disappeared to Sweden i was told about 30 years ago
Polly was deliberately excluded from the reunionon. Not hing to do with him being in Sweden. Craig your just another person who's been beguiled by Lippy. Wake up mate he a fake
Being excluded from a reunion and being airbrushed from history are 2 different things Pete. I'm wide awake mate and not deluded.
Asked if the song 'Something To Hate' was written about a previous member, the answer and the body language don't match, the lyrics are not a general attack but seem much more specific when added up. Sure, the interviewee had taken an online pasting over the years,so why not be honest?
If you agree you owed your band mates money back then for spending the royalties then surely you still do now, regardless of the record company pulling the re-release?
Lastly, the guy is not a 'shit guitarist' as he says laughingly, he's a very very good riff writer and certainly had a big influence on the 80's scene.
Why not be honest? That's because he's a fake and doesn't know how to tell the truth.
@@TheRealHeadBanger Now could be a good time to resolve this and free all concerned from past hurts.
@@davidbuchanan5383 Real headbanger aka Pete Boyce had his chance 8 years ago but spat his dummy out all over facebook so much that Southern scrapped their planned remastered re-release of In Darkness. Lippy had done the re-mastering and was gunna give the other old members all the royalties. But Real headbanger cut off his nose to spite his face and that of his old compadres. And the fans too, what a pity. it was gunna have new liner notes and additional archive pix. And Lippy later wrote to all the 1st LP band members offering to meet and sort it but he got no reply. Real headbanger chose instead to spend 8 years spewing bile and deluded bullshit on his toxic ASUnofficial fb page while doing fuck all positive. As he says in the interview above "he doesn't hold those life views anymore"...
It's obvious, there's more than 1 person in the scene suffering from toxic negativity and non-creativity!
Craig I so wanted to be involved in the reunion but couldn't work with people that I found to be insincere. If Antisect and what they stood for was of no interest to me then why did I not just walk away? The band was of such importance to me that I've felt in necessary to tell people what had happened. I find the term spat his dummy out rather offensive as it was far more than that. Lippy may be your mate as you have something he can use. Let's hope you aren't spat out if that ever changes.
Good see hear the other side of the coin after all this time
Yep couldn't agree more. I wonder why it took him so long to respond.
@@TheRealHeadBanger Busy making music, writing, making a record and touring as well as running a recording studio. What you been doing???
Gey your tongue out of his arse Craig its embarrassing
@@TheRealHeadBanger Now who is being offensive??? The sum total of your creativity over 8 years = 1. A memorystick of a practice demo recorded, not for release, but for you to rehearse at home because you couldn't be arsed travelling to London for rehearsals and because you kept on forgetting your words; and 2. Superimposing dogshit on the Rising LP sleeve. And you say I am embarrassing seriously???
@@pancrack go and have a snickers mate. You're obviously not yoursellf