Great review, gosh I am a little disappointed at the lack of range given the extra $1000 for the upgraded battery, I would have thought that even at full throttle you would have gotten at least 70 or 80 miles?
Scott good reading this review. I was comforting the Mokwheel Basalt ST or Scoria vs. the Model R. Am I nuts to fork out almost double the price for the EBC? The other thing that worries me is the torque. I saw this bike had trouble getting up a small hill by throttle only. Didn’t Mokwheel get up that same incline? Any thoughts on that bike vs. this one? Thanks for all your reviews!
I did get the torque sensor. There are some quirks for sure with this bike. As you saw in the review, it didn't perform that well on the hill climb (I think my scoria did just fine, you might want to rewatch that review) and battery didn't go close to what they were advertising. Now, this thing was the nicest riding bike out of anything I had ridden, but for 5k it should be. All I can tell you is, I still have my Scoria.
Yeah I am getting the message from your review and others that there definitely are issues with this $4K plus cruiser. As much as I loved designing the bike online it’s not worth double the Mokwheel or Aventon. Thanks for your reply.
Holy crap, batteries in the basket?! I've never heard of that before. I gotta say, that is a creative way to expand the mileage without detracting from the beauty of the frame.
hi scott 54 volts is 100% batt 49 volts is 50% batt 45 to 44% batt thats when it red lines shout down i made a chart for both my bikes hope this helps .
Wow so expensive for what you get. I ordered a Bandit x trail pro for 1949 with 50 dollars off. Dual motor dual battery. What makes that bike worth 5k?
Heavy riders, 16 lb in the basket, full bags in the back, using PA 5 with throttle often and Hill climbing will absolutely destroy your range. The only way this bike gets close 150 mile range is in PA 1 on flat surface with continuous pedaling and no wind. All ebike companies are deceptive about their max ranges. And that ain't gonna happen. I've ridden 3,500 miles on the now discontinued Model F. If you want more insights about that, let me know.
@@scotthardesty They sell a lot of bikes, but Model F was a low volume seller. Most people don't need a folding bike, as well as that the ergonomics of the bike needed to be changed a bit. Mine has 24 x 3 tires with a single battery. Vigorously pedaling in PA 3 and occasionally using the throttle, I get in the upper 20s on a fully charged battery. I am enjoying the bike! Happy riding to you.
2.5k-5k is very overpriced. So many other options with better equipment and with purchase of additional battery, you'll get the same range. Burned through a 14ah battery in 17 miles. Might as well get a cargo bike.
@@scotthardestyI think they are extremely reluctant to do paid reviews, ones that have a link that pays the reviewer for referred sales, I’m not sure if that is your model. Their reasoning is that they want unbiased honest reviews. They give bikes away for free to reviewers I think, but have given affiliate links sparingly. At this point, they should probably reconsider their hesitation for affiliate marketing although they can’t meet current demand. You’re welcome to come up to the North Shore and try mine. I think you would fully appreciate the 60v and the value these guys are offering. It would be good for your channel as the bikes are Uber popular but they are in short supply. You make very nice videos and I love the Chicago backdrop.
@@Angel283 Why ask? Oh so you can say but this bike is made in AMERICA. At the end of the day I think most of us AMERICANS know a bad value when we see it regardless of where it was made. And read your warranty. For a bike so well made they cover shit. And charge for everything after 30 days. I had an issue with a front motor being a little loud after six months. I got a new one with the tube and tire sent to me free.
This was a really good detailed review. I learned a bit more about this bike than I learned on a couple of other reviews that I've seen. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
BEST video yet on this bike. Well done and thank you Sir.
Wow, thanks!
Great review, gosh I am a little disappointed at the lack of range given the extra $1000 for the upgraded battery, I would have thought that even at full throttle you would have gotten at least 70 or 80 miles?
So did I, but to be fair, I do punish these bikes during my reviews.
Yes range significantly depending on PAS level and now all upgraded tech displays come with percentage reading on display
Yup. I never get the range stated due to how I ride the bikes. Thats a great thing about the display. Good to hear!
The white is so clean! Love it!
Right?!
Scott good reading this review. I was comforting the Mokwheel Basalt ST or Scoria vs. the Model R. Am I nuts to fork out almost double the price for the EBC? The other thing that worries me is the torque. I saw this bike had trouble getting up a small hill by throttle only. Didn’t Mokwheel get up that same incline? Any thoughts on that bike vs. this one? Thanks for all your reviews!
Also Scott did you get the torque sensor with your Model R?
I did get the torque sensor. There are some quirks for sure with this bike. As you saw in the review, it didn't perform that well on the hill climb (I think my scoria did just fine, you might want to rewatch that review) and battery didn't go close to what they were advertising. Now, this thing was the nicest riding bike out of anything I had ridden, but for 5k it should be. All I can tell you is, I still have my Scoria.
Yeah I am getting the message from your review and others that there definitely are issues with this $4K plus cruiser. As much as I loved designing the bike online it’s not worth double the Mokwheel or Aventon. Thanks for your reply.
Awesome looking bike, and great info!!
Thanks!
Scott ... great review, do they make a fat tire version on this bike ?
3" tires is the widest I have seen so far.
3”
For the serious bike commuter! Awesome!
Agreed!
Disappointed to see the bike fail the hill climb. Did you have it set to class 3 mode during this test ?
Yes. If the bike has the ability to be put into Class 3 mode, I do it before I start the review.
Cool looking bike.
I think so too!
Holy crap, batteries in the basket?! I've never heard of that before. I gotta say, that is a creative way to expand the mileage without detracting from the beauty of the frame.
A CHARGER WITH A FAN BUILT IN YES, now that's a cool idea.
MIK built-in to the rear rack too?! This ebike is more like a german competitor between all the customizations and creative design choices.
It is top notch in every way.
Would be nice if you added metric-data as added overlay for those of us who live outside the US-of-A. Thx.
Sorry about that. Since we don't use that system, I don't add it. Good idea though. Thanks for the feedback.
hi scott 54 volts is 100% batt 49 volts is 50% batt 45 to 44% batt thats when it red lines shout down i made a chart for both my bikes hope this helps .
Thanks for that info. I saw where EBC said they now add the battery percentage on the display.
Wow so expensive for what you get. I ordered a Bandit x trail pro for 1949 with 50 dollars off. Dual motor dual battery. What makes that bike worth 5k?
You would have to ride it to know.
All MADE IN USA.
@@scotthardesty Just not uphill for 5k lol. I will pass. My bike with 230 pounds of me on it goes up any hill I throw at it and 20 mph.
Did I miss the beach ride?
hahaha... Yup.
Heavy riders, 16 lb in the basket, full bags in the back, using PA 5 with throttle often and Hill climbing will absolutely destroy your range. The only way this bike gets close 150 mile range is in PA 1 on flat surface with continuous pedaling and no wind. All ebike companies are deceptive about their max ranges. And that ain't gonna happen.
I've ridden 3,500 miles on the now discontinued Model F. If you want more insights about that, let me know.
I agree with you. No way was going to get close to 150 miles. I wonder why they discontinued the Model F?
@@scotthardesty They sell a lot of bikes, but Model F was a low volume seller. Most people don't need a folding bike, as well as that the ergonomics of the bike needed to be changed a bit. Mine has 24 x 3 tires with a single battery. Vigorously pedaling in PA 3 and occasionally using the throttle, I get in the upper 20s on a fully charged battery. I am enjoying the bike! Happy riding to you.
You said yours was $5,000 so casually as if that wasnt DOUBLE the base price.
Hahahaha... how was I suppose to say it?
2.5k-5k is very overpriced. So many other options with better equipment and with purchase of additional battery, you'll get the same range. Burned through a 14ah battery in 17 miles. Might as well get a cargo bike.
Well... In its defense, I did also do all that testing before hand. Plus had it going as fast as it could for as long as it could.
If ridden on the beach, how is it with corrosion? I've seen the effect of saltwater on eBikes in my shop and it's not pretty.
I cannot believe how overpriced that bike is. Dude, you are in Chicago. Try a Wired bike and do your viewers a favor.
Once Wired bikes sends me one, I will be more than happy to review it. I see them rolling around here occasionally.
@@scotthardestyI think they are extremely reluctant to do paid reviews, ones that have a link that pays the reviewer for referred sales, I’m not sure if that is your model. Their reasoning is that they want unbiased honest reviews. They give bikes away for free to reviewers I think, but have given affiliate links sparingly. At this point, they should probably reconsider their hesitation for affiliate marketing although they can’t meet current demand. You’re welcome to come up to the North Shore and try mine. I think you would fully appreciate the 60v and the value these guys are offering. It would be good for your channel as the bikes are Uber popular but they are in short supply. You make very nice videos and I love the Chicago backdrop.
@@jfly2249 The thing with those bikes are they are a insurance liability so some bike shops don’t want to put it together.
@@jfly2249 Where are they made? The Wired ones.
@@Angel283 Why ask? Oh so you can say but this bike is made in AMERICA. At the end of the day I think most of us AMERICANS know a bad value when we see it regardless of where it was made. And read your warranty. For a bike so well made they cover shit. And charge for everything after 30 days. I had an issue with a front motor being a little loud after six months. I got a new one with the tube and tire sent to me free.