Being at the age of 29 that I am I'm going to be 30 next month, and studying Christian apologetics. I've had multitudes of debates with several Jehovah's witnesses before. There was two ladies at my local library who tried talking to me about what they believe and everything, they have this thing called The Kingdom Greek interlinear, which I heard that they read from but they actually really don't. In their Kingdom Greek interlinear which goes against their New world translation. I've noticed when studying Christian apologetics using their own doctrine against them seems to work. When I started pulling out Greek words from their Kingdom Greek interlinear, these ladies at my local library they shut down they didn't understand how I can know the Greek being so young, and also giving them the scriptures that I knew by heart. When they say Jesus isn't God according to their own New world translation, the kingdom Greek interlinear says the complete opposite for example. Colossians 1:15-16 they say here that Jesus was the first created of Jehovah and that he is the creator of all other things and that he was the first born which they think means created. But when I take them step by step I go okay let's bust out the kingdom Greek interlinear and when I do they can't answer it.
I understand they don't meet in churches but we must realize that the "church building" system we have today was designed and created by the Roman Pagans in AD380. Early Christians did not do these "church things" that we do. Jesus said my house is to be a house of prayer. We go there and pray about 5 minutes total. But we go there to sing Pagan songs and such. You may like to do a study on synagogues and churches. Synagogues were also designs of Pagan Romans. When Jesus was born, they didn't have synagogues. In AD30, they were very new system that the Romans had the Jews to make. It all resembles their Pagan system they used to worship their gods. As Protestants, we probably do more wrong things than the JWs do.
The purpose of that remark was not because I don’t know the history of church building, house churches, and synagogues. The context of the comment was show that they only meet together, in Kingdom Halls. They don’t mix with other types of Christian’s and don’t consider us to be saved or knowing the truth. They stay in their own group. If they travel somewhere else they will go to a kingdom hall , they can’t just go to any church they want. Hence to them we are outsiders and deceived.
@@Women4Theology Oh great thanks for the clarification. Do you know if anyone has ever done a study on the Roman influences on synagogues and churches? It would be interesting to see how much information is available on that.
I am very carefully studied the subject of the kingdom of God spoken by Jesus the best of Christiandom to offer is William Lane Craig he's one of the best that they have Mr Craig cannot explain the kingdom of God like the Publications by the Jehovah's Witnesses can explain hands down Jehovah's Witnesses explanation of the kingdom of God is the best I've found anywhere
That doesn’t make them not false. Just cuz they have one thing right doesn’t make them right about everything. Lots of religions will believe in Jesus, his death, resurrection ect…doesn’t make them not false though. It’s like saying well there’s only one drop of poison in the water so it’s ok to drink.
I'm sorry, but there were many mistakes in your description of what Jehovah's Witnesses believe. However you were correct with some basic ones. They don't believe Jesus is God (or Jehovah). They believe Jesus took up his role as King in 1914, and that there are 144000 that will rule with Jesus in heaven as kings and priests, while the other sheep (in Revelation) will live forever on a paradise earth. Earning salvation by works is not correct as they believe salvation can only happen through the sanctifying of Jesus' blood. That is, through God's grace. Living perfectly for 1000 years is not correct. Satan is held in the abyss for that 1000 years, and there will be many that will be destroyed in a war at the end of the 1000 years when Satan is let loose. (Satan will be destroyed after that last test.) Their bible is a translation, like the many other translations out there. That is, it's not like they have their own bible and other Christians have their own. They used to preach from the King James version and they have a list of other translations in their search software and so you have easy access to them. It's quite a useful feature to see differences. So saying you can't read other bibles is certainly not correct. I am not a JW, but I know their doctrines well from studying their literature.
According my study in my books on religion, and jw.org this is what they use, and this is what it says. Their Bible IS different I’ve looked on the website. I don’t fully get their eschatology, but if they do not believe Jesus is God then how can he atone for their sins? They DO believe in salvation plus works. I know JWs personally and they do believe this. And yes they do have their own Bible they use the new world translation. They DO believe in works based salvation, I’ve researched on JW.org and their own website says and I quote “those who observe all things” plus baptism, plus repentance, plus endurance to remain saved. That sure sounds like works to Me. Their website says you must remain in strict obedience to Jesus teaching to remain saved.
Disclaimer: I am not a JW. JW is more Christian than half of the churches today. So much sin in the church these days and people are worried about JW. According to the Theology of every church I have been to (except Catholic), JW would be Christian and going to heaven. Most Protestant churches only believe that you must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ that he died for your sins, was crucified and died and was raised on the 3rd day to be Saved. And JW believes all that. But today, half the Protestant churches believe you can commit grave sins over and over and still get into heaven. Personally, i am more suspicious of these churches than I am of JW. Plus we know the Bible doesn't say you have to believe that Jesus is God in order to be Saved. I am extremely concerned about Protestant Churches right now. That is my priority. And I don't see JW as a cult since you can leave and they are not trying to get their people to drink Kool-Aid. So while it is true that they don't have the same belief about Jesus, what they do believe about Jesus goes along with what every Protestant denomination will say is in line with Salvation. So if that means they are Christians, then yes, they should be considered Christians. They do fit that definition as described by Protestants. Just to check, I went and read the Apostle's Creed again too. And JW really doesn't seem to go against that either. Other than is says "only son of God" and I believe the JW consider all the angels as sons of God. Also, I notice they do seem to think Jesus is the same as the angel Michael. I'm not sure where that comes from but I do understand that the name "Michael" means "with God" so that don't sound too weird. We, as Christians, have no idea what an angel is anyways so I can see how they come up with Jesus = Michael. Okay it is a little weird. lol.
@@kevinerose Your first statement above is simply untrue and a lot of the rest of the post is also. JWs have a false, unbiblical Christ and a false, unbiblical way of salvation and multiple other falsehoods. For example - JWs believe and teach that Christ is _really_ Michael the angel. This belief is falsehood. Here's why that's true: NO angel would ever make the declaration that Christ makes for Himself in John 12:45 NO angel would ever tell people to believe in it the same as they do in God. But Christ does just that in John 14:1. NO angel would ever make the declaration Christ makes for Himself in John 14:7-9. Michael would DEFINITELY NOT ever make these declarations. His name means "Who Is Like God?" Obvious answer: NO ONE. If Michael had made those declarations, he would be going against the meaning of his own name and committing blasphemy. NO angel would ever receive for itself the declaration of Thomas in John 20:28. NO angel has the same nature as God, as Paul states Christ does in Philippians 2:6. In NO angel does all the fullness of God reside, as Paul states in Colossians 2:9.
JWs are not Christians. JWs have a false, unbiblical Christ and a false, unbiblical way of salvation and multiple other falsehoods. For example: JWs believe that Christ is _really_ Michael the angel. This belief is falsehood. Here's why that's true: NO angel would ever make the declaration that Christ makes for Himself in John 12:45 NO angel would ever tell people to believe in it the same as they do in God. But Christ does just that in John 14:1. NO angel would ever make the declaration Christ makes for Himself in John 14:7-9. Michael would DEFINITELY NOT ever make these declarations. His name means "Who Is Like God?" Obvious answer: NO ONE. If Michael had made those declarations, he would be going against the meaning of his own name and committing blasphemy. NO angel would ever receive for itself the declaration of Thomas in John 20:28. NO angel has the same nature as God, as Paul states Christ does in Philippians 2:6. In NO angel does all the fullness of God reside, as Paul states in Colossians 2:9.
Yes the Holy Spirit is not a person much less God. Traditional monotheistic Judaism does not recognize the holy spirit as a person or as God. The term "spirit of God" (Ruach HaKodesh) in Jewish texts generally refers to God's power or presence, not a distinct person within a trinity.
1 John 5 verses 7-9 : For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
It's IN THE WORD OF GOD.......King James Version. FOR THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN........go, read. You are wrong. I sure hope this helps.
@@Nov111805 Those words were added later, most likely in the 6th century, and do not appear in the earliest extant Greek manuscripts, such as Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. Most modern translations omit this passage or include a footnote acknowledging its spurious nature because it is absent from the most reliable textual witnesses. I would not entrust my faith on such a text.
@@jahtruthdefender WHATEVER you say........I'll tell you what: I am STICKING with The King James translations......God's Word MEANS WHAT IT SAYS and SAYS WHAT IT MEANS. I could care LESS about "modern translations".
@@Nov111805 It not what I say but your own *trinitarian bible scholars* say. I find it disconcerting that you're dismissing the historical and textual evidence indicating that the Comma Johanneum in 1 John 5:7 is a later addition and not found in early Greek manuscripts. This approach overlooks the importance of grounding our beliefs in the most accurate understanding of the original texts. Clinging to a single translation without considering modern scholarship can hinder a deeper and more accurate understanding of the Bible. True faith should be based on a careful examination of evidence, not just on traditional translations.
There is NO PROOF of the CROSS. The only original notes are written in greek. In those writings it says STAROUS. Um, google it, It clearly says POLE. What is this ignorant channel actually saying? Promoting the teachings of men.
Well, I'll tell you WHAT........and this is what I tell my JW husband: The people who were there and bore witness........they said: CROSS and it's recorded that way in The Word of God........a CROSS. I am going to stick with that.
@@Nov111805 "Sorry to say, but you are completely incorrect. The Greek word *stauros*, translated as 'cross,' is misleading. There are no 1st-century historical records proving that Jesus' death took place on a cross. In reality, *stauros* simply means an upright pole or stake, and the concept of a cross with a crossbeam is a later interpretation, not a 100% fact."
Thanks for this informative video about them. Didn't know
Being at the age of 29 that I am I'm going to be 30 next month, and studying Christian apologetics. I've had multitudes of debates with several Jehovah's witnesses before. There was two ladies at my local library who tried talking to me about what they believe and everything, they have this thing called The Kingdom Greek interlinear, which I heard that they read from but they actually really don't. In their Kingdom Greek interlinear which goes against their New world translation. I've noticed when studying Christian apologetics using their own doctrine against them seems to work. When I started pulling out Greek words from their Kingdom Greek interlinear, these ladies at my local library they shut down they didn't understand how I can know the Greek being so young, and also giving them the scriptures that I knew by heart.
When they say Jesus isn't God according to their own New world translation, the kingdom Greek interlinear says the complete opposite for example. Colossians 1:15-16 they say here that Jesus was the first created of Jehovah and that he is the creator of all other things and that he was the first born which they think means created. But when I take them step by step I go okay let's bust out the kingdom Greek interlinear and when I do they can't answer it.
Wow that’s a great point! I want aware of this resource thanks so much for sharing! I’m going to have to research into that for my next arguments😏
What a load of rubbish
They don't accept blood 😮. I wonder what they do they if they have to choose between life and death.
They chose death
I understand they don't meet in churches but we must realize that the "church building" system we have today was designed and created by the Roman Pagans in AD380. Early Christians did not do these "church things" that we do. Jesus said my house is to be a house of prayer. We go there and pray about 5 minutes total. But we go there to sing Pagan songs and such.
You may like to do a study on synagogues and churches. Synagogues were also designs of Pagan Romans. When Jesus was born, they didn't have synagogues. In AD30, they were very new system that the Romans had the Jews to make. It all resembles their Pagan system they used to worship their gods.
As Protestants, we probably do more wrong things than the JWs do.
The purpose of that remark was not because I don’t know the history of church building, house churches, and synagogues. The context of the comment was show that they only meet together, in Kingdom Halls. They don’t mix with other types of Christian’s and don’t consider us to be saved or knowing the truth. They stay in their own group. If they travel somewhere else they will go to a kingdom hall , they can’t just go to any church they want. Hence to them we are outsiders and deceived.
@@Women4Theology Oh great thanks for the clarification. Do you know if anyone has ever done a study on the Roman influences on synagogues and churches? It would be interesting to see how much information is available on that.
Your intelligent your comment is wasted on these dimwits
i am a ex jw hi 👋🏻
Praise Jesus brother that you found the way🙏🏼❤️
Why do they still observe the Lord's Evening Meal if they believe Jesus has returned???
Jesus commanded his followers to.........(see Luke 22:19)
No
I am very carefully studied the subject of the kingdom of God spoken by Jesus the best of Christiandom to offer is William Lane Craig he's one of the best that they have Mr Craig cannot explain the kingdom of God like the Publications by the Jehovah's Witnesses can explain hands down Jehovah's Witnesses explanation of the kingdom of God is the best I've found anywhere
That doesn’t make them not false. Just cuz they have one thing right doesn’t make them right about everything. Lots of religions will believe in Jesus, his death, resurrection ect…doesn’t make them not false though. It’s like saying well there’s only one drop of poison in the water so it’s ok to drink.
@@Women4Theology thank you for your reply I respect your opinion piece in Jesus take care
Yes JEHOVAH is the proper name in latin form. YHWH, is written over 7,000 times in the ORIGINAL writings. YHWY + JEHOVHAH, not LORD or Lord.
I'm sorry, but there were many mistakes in your description of what Jehovah's Witnesses believe.
However you were correct with some basic ones. They don't believe Jesus is God (or Jehovah). They believe Jesus took up his role as King in 1914, and that there are 144000 that will rule with Jesus in heaven as kings and priests, while the other sheep (in Revelation) will live forever on a paradise earth.
Earning salvation by works is not correct as they believe salvation can only happen through the sanctifying of Jesus' blood. That is, through God's grace.
Living perfectly for 1000 years is not correct. Satan is held in the abyss for that 1000 years, and there will be many that will be destroyed in a war at the end of the 1000 years when Satan is let loose. (Satan will be destroyed after that last test.)
Their bible is a translation, like the many other translations out there. That is, it's not like they have their own bible and other Christians have their own. They used to preach from the King James version and they have a list of other translations in their search software and so you have easy access to them. It's quite a useful feature to see differences. So saying you can't read other bibles is certainly not correct.
I am not a JW, but I know their doctrines well from studying their literature.
According my study in my books on religion, and jw.org this is what they use, and this is what it says. Their Bible IS different I’ve looked on the website. I don’t fully get their eschatology, but if they do not believe Jesus is God then how can he atone for their sins? They DO believe in salvation plus works. I know JWs personally and they do believe this. And yes they do have their own Bible they use the new world translation. They DO believe in works based salvation, I’ve researched on JW.org and their own website says and I quote “those who observe all things” plus baptism, plus repentance, plus endurance to remain saved. That sure sounds like works to
Me. Their website says you must remain in strict obedience to Jesus teaching to remain saved.
Disclaimer: I am not a JW.
JW is more Christian than half of the churches today. So much sin in the church these days and people are worried about JW. According to the Theology of every church I have been to (except Catholic), JW would be Christian and going to heaven. Most Protestant churches only believe that you must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ that he died for your sins, was crucified and died and was raised on the 3rd day to be Saved. And JW believes all that. But today, half the Protestant churches believe you can commit grave sins over and over and still get into heaven. Personally, i am more suspicious of these churches than I am of JW. Plus we know the Bible doesn't say you have to believe that Jesus is God in order to be Saved.
I am extremely concerned about Protestant Churches right now. That is my priority. And I don't see JW as a cult since you can leave and they are not trying to get their people to drink Kool-Aid.
So while it is true that they don't have the same belief about Jesus, what they do believe about Jesus goes along with what every Protestant denomination will say is in line with Salvation. So if that means they are Christians, then yes, they should be considered Christians. They do fit that definition as described by Protestants.
Just to check, I went and read the Apostle's Creed again too. And JW really doesn't seem to go against that either. Other than is says "only son of God" and I believe the JW consider all the angels as sons of God. Also, I notice they do seem to think Jesus is the same as the angel Michael. I'm not sure where that comes from but I do understand that the name "Michael" means "with God" so that don't sound too weird. We, as Christians, have no idea what an angel is anyways so I can see how they come up with Jesus = Michael. Okay it is a little weird. lol.
@@kevinerose Your first statement above is simply untrue and a lot of the rest of the post is also. JWs have a false, unbiblical Christ and a false, unbiblical way of salvation and multiple other falsehoods. For example - JWs believe and teach that Christ is _really_ Michael the angel. This belief is falsehood. Here's why that's true:
NO angel would ever make the declaration that Christ makes for Himself in John 12:45
NO angel would ever tell people to believe in it the same as they do in God. But Christ does just that in John 14:1.
NO angel would ever make the declaration Christ makes for Himself in John 14:7-9. Michael would DEFINITELY NOT ever make these declarations. His name means "Who Is Like God?"
Obvious answer: NO ONE. If Michael had made those declarations, he would be going against the meaning of his own name and committing blasphemy.
NO angel would ever receive for itself the declaration of Thomas in John 20:28.
NO angel has the same nature as God, as Paul states Christ does in Philippians 2:6.
In NO angel does all the fullness of God reside, as Paul states in Colossians 2:9.
Yes they are Cristian. All depends on what you are looking to defend. 90% of faiths defend a christian faith defined 300 to 400 years after Christ.
JWs are not Christians. JWs have a false, unbiblical Christ and a false, unbiblical way of salvation and multiple other falsehoods.
For example: JWs believe that Christ is _really_ Michael the angel. This belief is falsehood. Here's why that's true:
NO angel would ever make the declaration that Christ makes for Himself in John 12:45
NO angel would ever tell people to believe in it the same as they do in God. But Christ does just that in John 14:1.
NO angel would ever make the declaration Christ makes for Himself in John 14:7-9. Michael would DEFINITELY NOT ever make these declarations. His name means "Who Is Like God?"
Obvious answer: NO ONE. If Michael had made those declarations, he would be going against the meaning of his own name and committing blasphemy.
NO angel would ever receive for itself the declaration of Thomas in John 20:28.
NO angel has the same nature as God, as Paul states Christ does in Philippians 2:6.
In NO angel does all the fullness of God reside, as Paul states in Colossians 2:9.
Yes the Holy Spirit is not a person much less God.
Traditional monotheistic Judaism does not recognize the holy spirit as a person or as God. The term "spirit of God" (Ruach HaKodesh) in Jewish texts generally refers to God's power or presence, not a distinct person within a trinity.
1 John 5 verses 7-9 : For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
It's IN THE WORD OF GOD.......King James Version. FOR THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN........go, read. You are wrong. I sure hope this helps.
@@Nov111805 Those words were added later, most likely in the 6th century, and do not appear in the earliest extant Greek manuscripts, such as Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. Most modern translations omit this passage or include a footnote acknowledging its spurious nature because it is absent from the most reliable textual witnesses. I would not entrust my faith on such a text.
@@jahtruthdefender WHATEVER you say........I'll tell you what: I am STICKING with The King James translations......God's Word MEANS WHAT IT SAYS and SAYS WHAT IT MEANS. I could care LESS about "modern translations".
@@Nov111805 It not what I say but your own *trinitarian bible scholars* say.
I find it disconcerting that you're dismissing the historical and textual evidence indicating that the Comma Johanneum in 1 John 5:7 is a later addition and not found in early Greek manuscripts. This approach overlooks the importance of grounding our beliefs in the most accurate understanding of the original texts. Clinging to a single translation without considering modern scholarship can hinder a deeper and more accurate understanding of the Bible. True faith should be based on a careful examination of evidence, not just on traditional translations.
There is NO PROOF of the CROSS. The only original notes are written in greek. In those writings it says STAROUS. Um, google it, It clearly says POLE. What is this ignorant channel actually saying? Promoting the teachings of men.
Well, I'll tell you WHAT........and this is what I tell my JW husband: The people who were there and bore witness........they said: CROSS and it's recorded that way in The Word of God........a CROSS. I am going to stick with that.
@@Nov111805 "Sorry to say, but you are completely incorrect. The Greek word *stauros*, translated as 'cross,' is misleading. There are no 1st-century historical records proving that Jesus' death took place on a cross.
In reality, *stauros* simply means an upright pole or stake, and the concept of a cross with a crossbeam is a later interpretation, not a 100% fact."