Basically, all the pedals sound great- that's the era we live in now- so many freaking awesome pedals- it's great! So, pick the one with the most appealing aesthetic and control set- plus the one you can afford I guess. In today's world you literally can't lose- such a great show guys- love that introduce us to new gear!
This is good. Mick here. I think it might be finally settling in with more and more people. The difference isn't the pedal, it's the intent of how you use it! Sort of a grown-up way of saying that tone is in the fingers! Hahahaha!
Haha I've bought so many pedals because of aesthetics. Not all sounded as good as they looked and some great sounding ones look boring but a cool looking pedal is just cool
I mean I wouldn't go *that* far 😉 ...unless you're talking about things like fretting pressure and pick angle, etc. etc. etc. But I will say that every pedal will work for *somebody* (even Miku Stomp? Even Miku Stomp.) and any electronic gadget, musical or otherwise, is but a tool - and it only has intrinsic value in how it is used. Especially dirt pedals, at least those with a decent range on the "goes brrrr" knob. Find the sweet spot for *your purposes* and stack it with some things, and make your sound. I don't like Tube Screamers. I'd need a Fender amp AND a Big Muff to make that mid hump not make me wanna huff straight death (it's not all mid humps: I dig a D+ or Rat all day long... and much as I hate to say it, yeah, I like Klones too - but after all, that's just a Distortion+ with a clean blend, innit) BUT one of my very most favoritest geetar toans EVER (The Cowslingers, That's Truckdrivin') was just Bobby, his axe, his amp, and an 808. Of course his guitar was a Gretsch with Filter'trons, and his amp was a '60s Vibrolux I THINK Y'ALL SEE WHERE I'M GOING HERE. Do yr thing right, and you'll mKe it work.
@@ThatPedalShow Intent- so true. As a mix engineer a lot of people hem and haw about which vintage eq to use- and yeah, they sound different (I will always love ssl) but what you do with the EQ, at the end of the day is way more important than exactly which EQ you use. A good mixer can make the right decisions with any EQ- although they will of course have preferences if given the choice, but still- they choices they make will matter more than the specific eq used. Same here- you guys were able to dial in great sounds with all the pedals here, but I'm sure you have preferences based on ease of use etc...
FYI: The knobs on the Kernom are not represented in normal overdrive pedals... they work more like a circuit breadboard, but instantaneous... That pre tone actually does add bass, the post tone functions most like a regular pedal's tone knob. If it were an amp, it would be like knobs controlling the tone stack, the preamp, the poweramp, the tubes, etc. It takes a little getting used to but, within minutes I was getting nearly ever sound of around 12 pedals here in my room. Loving the Kernom!
That Poly Flat-V is my spirit pedal. I’ve fallen in love with it and am building a new board with it as the centerpiece. Almost everything I need in a drive plus a ton of ways to get really creative with it. Josh and Loki knocked that thing out of the park.
Excellent show gents. I find when a pedal or amp has too many controls, I can get a bit frustrated dialing in the sound I want. I’ve moved away from that back to a more simple approach. Plus, I like that different pedals have different character of their own. They are instruments unto themselves.
Same, I’m not an all in one guy. Nothing worse than being in the moment and you can’t find the preset on the pedal. I got four drive pedals for six different drive tones. I’m a simple man, and too much tech is too much for me. It’s why I got rid of the strymon big sky. All I really wanted was a shimmer effect, so I got an astral destiny from earthquaker. I ain’t got the time to be going on the internet to learn how to program a pedal. Maybe if the instructions were on a booklet or something it would be a little more better. Yes, more better, that’s not a typo.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I feel the exact same way and I’d personally rather have 4 separate pedals and switches than 4 presets on one pedal.
A quick click on your icon reveals you have multiple comments on this channel alone, including one dating back 11 months and 2 others which on the same video!
For me it’s important to keep everything simple, high,med & low gain each in a simple stomp box , each in a loop of my qmx, leaves space for my ears to work from a known starting point and adapt from there to adjust for room & mood...... still an ongoing quest for which those gain pedals will be today, but I’m past thinking that a do it all Pedal will work for me👍🎸❤️
That’s how I treat the Tomato - I tend to settle around the boost/low-to-medium gain drive vibe and then enjoy the expansive EQ range to dial into the band and room, plus the option to save a few settings and suddenly throw in a mad fuzz! I still keep a very known quantity drive on the board, mind, and the Tomato only justifies its place for me if it’s a MIDI board. Otherwise I’m the same as you with a 3-4 separate, simple flavours, which in my case I like to stack most of the time (often negating the need for the loop switcher, as it turns out).
Based on what I saw and heard, having not played any of those do it all pedals, the UI on the a tomato tone was easiest to follow. I’m a HX stomp user as well as a traditional pedalboard user, but the UI is always going to push me either toward or away from a multi functional pedal. If I can’t over come it, I’ll just get three drive pedals to individually do what I need and suffer the tap dancing or programming to place them in the correct order.
Having owned a Tchula, owner of the small and large Myriad fuzzes, and now the Flat V, I have long held the same view that Josh’s pedals are best in the context of Josh’s hulk hands / electric cable strings / strong attack and, most importantly, a loud amp being made louder by the pedals. The issue for me, apart from not having the luxury at home or even small gigs to really crank this stuff, is that Josh’s pedals are not just loud - we love loud! - but significantly louder at their minimum settings than all my other pedals. So I find it hard to bend them into my rigs in the way that Josh does. Relatedly, I picked up an H90 and decided to go M1D1 with it, so pulled the Tomato out of the toy cupboard, paired it with the CXM, H90 and an MC6+ML5 for my first gigging MIDI board. 2 tips for owning the Tomato: (1) contrary to the reviews when it launched, where it was all about justifying the price, it won’t replace all your other boutique drives if you’re a tone obsessive like most TPS viewers, but it will cover off a lot of the major food groups and the presets and faders are amazing; (2) keep at least one other fave drive on the board (mine is a Shanks ODS) so you can use it stacked with the Automatone to make the most of its EQ section and preamp-y attributes to get more girth out of your other drives.
All sound great but like a lot of players I am going the other way lately, find a few core sounds, limit the number of pedals on my board, limit the complexity of the pedals I am using and dig deep into what I can create with that. Now that the plague years are fading away behind us, and I am playing in the same room with other humans again, I find I want to concentrate on playing music more and exploring options(when it comes to pedals) less. And as others have stated there is so much great sounding gear out there now, that whatever you choose as long as it fits the sound of your chosen style, it is going to sound great.
This is precisely why I hate to have too many possibilities that end in endless tweaking. Two simple drives which stack well together and suit the amp they are attached to are the better way to get a good tone. These are all great pedals, but they all have an inbuilt rabbit hole... Lee Anderton said in a show something like "We sell more than 400 different drive pedals, and they all sound kinda the same". A great show which was fun to watch anyway!
You should have bring in the Elektron Analog Drive. It‘s an awesome device! 8 different drive type’s, completely programmable, 100 presets with midi, tone control with even a para mid sweep, nice display, expression pedal inputs. Sounds realy good!
they featured it on an earlier vid...I think the consensus was that it takes up a ton of real estate on the board. I have one, and I enjoy it for some desktop studio use (more than guitar). Cheers
Great tones as always today. Endless possibilities. What was nice was that all of the tones sort of felt like derivatives of each other from low gain to mid gain, etc. All were then pleasant to the ear. Maybe a nice extra benefit of having the one unit that does so much. I do notice sometimes that jumping between overdrives or distortions, my ears and brain almost have to adjust to liking the tone. Not the case in your video today. Thanks for all you do.
I must agree with you. Also, there’s something very appealing about committing to a couple of great drive pedals and just making them work. Otherwise you’ll be fighting “option paralysis” more often than not. Having said that, they’re all good and we’re just insane pedal junkies haha 😂
Recently got my Kernom Ridge and have been enjoying it. It's not as immediately obvious as the Automatone but after a brief skim of the instructions * gasp * it becomes pretty easy to quickly dial in what you're looking for. The Flat V looks interesting but seems like it's maybe a little more limited on the overdrive side with extra bells and whistles that can make the UI more confusing. It's more like a limited/selective multi-FX pedal. Good thing it has M1D1!
Great video. Three wonderful pedals. In my own journey I am continuously getting new tones out of my existing pedals. Strymon Riverside, TubeSteader Beekeeper, and my under the radar MI Blues Pro. Tweak the pedal, tweak the amp, adjust the volume and tone on the guitar, and adjust your picking and the range of tones is amazing! suggestion: Dan,at the point if tweaking don't change what you are playing. I cannot hear the tweak when I am overwhelmed by change of you're playing style. just a suggestion as I love your playing and your personality.
Riverside is my favorite drive ever. I’ve tried to replace it several times but it seems to be able to get almost any overdrive/distortion pedal sound I put it up against. Amazing dirt pedal.
I came here hoping for a comparison of the Strymon Riverside and Kernom Ridge. They didn't even include the Riverside, but that's the one I can't let go of.
The flat V is definitely a pedal that works a different part of the brain. Its like those who write notes in illustrations over words. I can see this pedal making absolute sense to some and none to others but thats what I find appealing about it. Especially as a studio tool. In the studio I have a tough time getting on with traditional setups maybe this is a step in a certain type of direction that appeals to a different workflow
Amen to that. Definitely conceived of whatever the other side of the brain it is that controls me! Mick here. I always say Mac and PC people as being the main horribly reductive dividing line down humanity. Hahahah
The Hamstead Odyssey is another do-it-all that flies under the radar. It's not midiable though. I fall in love with that one over and over again. I think you'd called that one a grown-up's pedal when you had it on the show. Great show today!
Kernom Ridge plus Boss ES-5 is 90% of all my drive needs, I have a Screamer and Lower gain pedal for stacking purposes! Love the Dan Townsend intro and those caps are awesome! Looking forward to this one.....
Loved this episode and it also only made me love my Hudson Broadcast dual switch even more. I use that with an EQ pedal before it and I can get many sounds that I like.
I’ve been chasing overdrives for years and had over 12 or so. Yes, a small amount. I have now settled with strymon riverside which has a lot of features, easy to dial in and sounds great in both live and studio recordings.
I love the Riverside as well! Put it up against so many drive pedals and it always seems to come out on top. Plus, love that it has a noise gate built in too!
Nice, that's exactly where I'm at, currently. Years ago I looked at the Chase Bliss as a preamp and fuzz, but there is no fx loop between fuzz, which would be first in the chain, and preamp, which would be after other effects. Also some fuzz parameters can only be manipulated via trim pots and can't be part of the presets. I since found the perfect fuzz (Bliss Factory) and might get the Flat V as a preamp and the Kernom to replace ODs/Distortions.
A pedal to try out if ye ever stumble across one is a tc nova drive , it’s got a ts clone with dry blend on one side and Rat clone on the other side, it’s all analog and has M1D1 control the two sides can be stacked in either direction or parallel! Not bad considering it’s years old and not even being made anymore…!
The Poly Flat V may have some great sounds and undoubtably comes from a good place but you’ve hit the nail on the head with it. When it came out it scared me: it feels like they’ve tried to make something more ‘pub/club proof’ than a MKII but they should have used knobs and switchers; changing it on the fly seems hard and it doesn’t have the intuitive UI or feel a pedal that can sit on a desk like the MKII does. The Kernom seems more thought out as a pedal in that regard. No doubt the manufacture is screaming at us all!
With the benefit of more time passing, I still think that these are a ‘miss’ for cork sniffers, although I can absolutely see the benefits for someone who has a broader tonal palette that requires different types of OD and distortion sometimes / often, who isn’t obsessed with finding a specific tone. Having owned or played these three, the Flat V was another brilliant collab between Josh and a pedal company (the Myriad small and big box fuzzes are both epic, if very loud) which I found pretty much impossible to dial in or tweak - mainly because it was a Loki pedal specifically for Josh and his tone and workflow, not for everyone else. I have the Poly Verbs and I think the format and UI work better in that config. The Kernom is a bit odd, a bit bland, a bit disposable consumerism-looking, but no doubt useful. The Automatone is a work of art and I wish it had more variety considering that was the spiel (by reviewers, not by Joel at CB) at launch. Actually, I’d prefer it to have very little variety but nail one or two sounds so as to be a world class, sought after box for a particular tone-seeker, like a Klon, KoT, some of the Kingsley and Cornish stuff etc. The design, ease of programming and tweaking makes it a pleasure to use. It’s just a jack of all trades and master of none. Like the Poly, the CXM reverb pedal is, for me, the better of the two in that faders format. It’s great to see these kinds of pedals being created, and I am very happy to support the makers by buying them, albeit moving them on.
Great show - crazy the variety of tones these pedals offer. If the form factor of the CB Automatone Preamp Mk II was cut by 50%+, that would be amazing albeit the sliders might require chopsticks to adjust.
I don’t know if I am alone in this thought, but every time I get a new overdrive pedal, I am like holy crapola this is good. But when I plug into my other pedals they are all starting to sound the same to me. Some pedals have a flatter EQ, more amp in a box good for bedroom tone, others are more mid hump booster types that get you heard on a stage when kicking in for a solo. Other than that they are all giving me similar tones. I still love picking up new drive pedals, but they are all going to give me the sounds pretty much of a crunchy guitar rock sound in the end.
Great video guys. I'm in a keep it simple phase at the moment but every now and then I think about switching up to more complex do it all units with presets (timelines/mobius/collider/etc) but truth be told most of my mod and drive sounds are set and forget and I know my Carbon Copy and DD5 inside out, so for the sake of having to tweak settings a few times in the set, I can live with it. Have a good weekend
On the one hand, I really like the idea of a gain “workstation” that has all the different parts you find in different pedals with the ability to switch them out and reroute. It’s great to see pedals in that vein. On the other hand, I’m personally much more interested in polyphonic and multiband distortions. I do like some of the UI ideas in the Poly. I hate it when knobs get overloaded with shift functions and the knobs position doesn’t reflect the current state of the value you’re changing. Those ladders of touch sensitive LEDs…or whatever they are…on the Poly seem like another alternative to endless encoders with LED collars.
I was listening to your Andy Timmons visit video... I bought a Halo... had to really watch and absorb... having my coffee and a guitar with you LegEnds this morning... Happy Friday... indeed! 😎🤘🎸
Thank you so much, for complicating things even more 😅. Once again, all beautiful sounding overdrives! I would LOVE to hear these going into the Matchless HC30.
The thing about programmable drive pedals is I don't want to be confused when just using it as a normal pedal. At one point in my life the programmability was important to me but these days I just want to get to business quickly. Having a variety of drive pedals side by side with an EQ somewhere in the middle and delay at the end feels more simple and faster. But that is just my current use case. If I was playing in a cover band that needed to more than a few tones I would suck it up and go programmable. That would make the overall system more simple. But what I do today it isn't worth the investment of learning how to use and integrate the new generation of programmable drives.
Always interesting gentlemen. I could not go the Poly route because it reminds me of the other Poly products that induce option paralysis coupled with a user hostile interface. Personally for me I would rather have three OD pedals that do what they do really well instead of trying to get everything in one place. From a practical usability perspective I prefer the Automatone or the Hot Cake. I don’t want to kill the highs but I also don’t want the ice pick in the earhole. The Tilt sounded pretty decent, and in actuality all the options did. However if I had the funds and could only buy one, it would be the Automatone because the simple interface and that I could see what is going on when standing. Thank you as always for the hard work that you do.
Anything with multiple settings/knobs gives me option paralysis! I'm a set and forget, 4 gain stages in 4 pedals guy, and swap pedals in and out as the wind changes. These programmable, multi function pedals are incredible, but I can't see me using one in the heat of battle (gigging!)
Very interesting, gentlemen. I've been considering Mick's question at the end which, after a bit of reflection, seems very complex and will inspire varying answers across individuals. My own board, pedals, guitars are laden with sentimentality. And indeed my overall experience includes a fair amount of music as medicine. I never imagined even owning an electric guitar. The incredible Renaissance man, Larry Cragg, changed my life in that regard, breathing his own life into the experience with guitar recommendations and perfect setups on each. Oh, and "You need a tube amp." Next came pedals (on my own; he doesn't like much altering what the amp designers created) and TPS. I now have a board with extra pedals on the shelf. I love them all, QMX-10 included, and it's a bit like Desert Island Discs, in the stories each tells and how they represent a journey. All very sentimental. Ha! I guess it couldn't be more obvious my own priority isn't gigging! That would change things, including not lugging around a 56 lb. amp! In that case, it might all change to a Morgan Josh Smith signature [Princeton], a Halo, a Tomato Tone and looper. Maybe a Cali76. Done. Peace, guys. Every episode is a pleasure.
Personally I love the simple pedals more. I really don't find a place in my setup for a multi/do it all kind of pedal. Maybe for a studio kind of thing, or if you're a gear junkie having a gear feast at home where you'd be looking to find the optimal tone. But in a gigging situation it's just a hassle me thinks. I love the simplicity of the hot cake and would love to hear more of it. Knowing it's repertoar or limitations it is the kind I want on my board. It sounded great, and I bet that coupled with an EQ you could tweak the knobs to get very close to a lot of the tone characteristics those multi purpose pedals do. All the best, Thor
If I was using a rig with a MIDI switcher, I could totally see the utility of one of these. Or if I needed like four or five different dirt pedals to get all of the sounds I'd need for a set, I'd rather have one of these and a little preset switcher. Personally if I was going that route, I'd probably just grab a MIDI equipped EQ pedal though. That Source Audio one sounds amazing and is way cheaper than any of the MIDI overdrive pedals featured in this video
Fully agreed. Also adding that spending less time on twiddling and more on playing would make more sense ! Recently I realized that to get good results, scales, fluidity, knowing the neck better, composition require more work and are worthwhile working on over and over. I get closer to music happiness with 2 or 3 favorite tones I usually come back to on the neck pickup of my Reverend Buckshot. Plugged in my Laney Supercub 12 I discovered it had sweet spots I never get bored playing with...
Great to have M1D1 overdrives. I’ve moved more to a rack set up and being able to put these pedals in a rack tray with a small midi controller on the floor to control them is great. Of these I’d probably go with the tomato tone for the UI and I preferred the sounds.
Great show! That Poly sounds fantastic. But does it fuzz? You found some tasteful overdrive tones and displayed its nuanced approach, but it would have useful to see what it can do it higher gain levels.
Oh, the rabbit hole. These are for someone who knows overdrive fairly well already is one path of thought. One can find their own personal overdrive sound is another. This is an engineering tool yet another. Basically these do it all particularly the Poly, a tool fit for a titan like Josh
Definitely I am a pick it up and play guy, don't want to be fussing with a lot of pedals. A great sounding amp and pickups is usually all I need. Only occasionally will I get the urge to play around with pedals.
There’s great freedom in that! As the need/want arises for a wider palette of tones, pedals start to make sense. Just as they did for so many great players in history. Just horses for the courses and what the music requires. Cheers!
Such an interesting show guys. I’m loving the HRDX20 and want one to pair with my DRRI. Going with the Five Watt World most music from the least gear ethos, I’m seeing the value of a few MIDI pedals with a programmable MIDI loop switcher, and looking at pedals more as changeable modules or engines rather than pedals. I can get a sound I like with just a couple pedals, but if I need to cover a range of music, they won’t get it done. However, when you need to cover a range, rarely do the tones need to be exact - close is close enough.
I own the LovePedal Tchula (gold brick edition); which I love, I even run it on a carbon battery like Josh did. The Poly Flat V looks and sounds sexy, I would dig owning it indeed.
Greetings All, great show. Love the theory and innovation but I just don’t think they are for me. First the obvious is option paralysis. I would be sitting there pulling my hair out trying to find that just perfect tone and every day would be different. Way too much tweaking in a realistic setting. Second if you dial in all these sounds and save them and something breaks down you are in the deep end then. Give me my Duellist, KOT, and Tumnus with reverb and delay and I’m in my happy happy place. By the way the Victory V1 Duchess pedal may be my new favorite more better pedal. Whooo is it just right. Matches nice with all my gear. Thanks again.
Cheers chaps, interesting topic. The hands on nature of the Automatone beats the Kernom, at a price and without the stackability and replaceability of separate pedals. Both cool but not to me compelling. The Flat V is a slightly different kettle of cheese, blending as it does fuzz, overdrive, autowah, envelope filter and many flavours of trem. I rather like its synth like approach, a different take. Doesn't seem to be an option to sync the LFO to midi clock or use an onboard tap tempo though, either of which would be handy for the groove junkies among us. Have a great weekend :)
Man, I feel like I can't keep up with all of those drives. I'm just into some low gainers pushing my amps, and adjusting my GE-7.. still it's great to see what I'm missing out on.
I find (for myself) that the more controls/parameters something has, there is more opportunity for bad sounds to be found. I have to keep it simple for my simple mind. More than 3 knobs.......view it with scepticism
While all the pedals sound great, the Automatone makes the complexity of the do-it-all more simple. I like the Hot Cake (and the OCD!) because I would rather spend my time playing than fiddling around. Josh's pedal sounds great, but it's too heady for the likes of poor me lol! This is my first comment after watching literally hundreds of TPS shows. I love you Dan and Mick- I'm a much better player now because I understand so much more of how signal becomes sound!!! Long live TONE!
The Tomato-tone has a Fidelity fingerprint that I hear and love. Similar, in concept not tone, to the Fidelity fingerprint the old EchoPlex units have. The Tomato-Tone Fidelity, that's good, real good.
@@smelltheglove2038 I dont know the engineering behind it but the power supplied is clean and I don't get any noise with Gig Rig, my 18v pedals sing and everything seems brighter. The size of the units are smaller then other supplies so I can "hide" them easier in my pedal boards. Then to top it off the main unit has an IEEC plug in so I can remove the power cord when traveling
@@smelltheglove2038 I use a Mesa Boogie power amp for a left and right stereo /wet path. I use the gig rig power but use the gig rig "Humdinger" to isolate the wet channels. I have 9 stereo pedals hooked up to the wet side and my dry side is two amps a 100 watt Blackstar and a 51 watt Mad Professor, the main dry amps use two seperate 4x12 cabs in a "center" position, I have about 15pedals hooked up to the dry side again all powered by the gig rig. It sounds epic and the humdinger keeps the phase issues taken care of thus eliminating noise. Check out the "That Pedal Show" with Kirk Fletcher, you can hear the noise in his rig disappear when Dan gets done with it...amazing. The look on Kirks face is priceless !!!!
I have a CB Automatone and love it. I admit I won´t take it to a gig, but for recording it has everything I need. The only thing is that I haven´t figure out how to stack pedals with it yet.
I take mine to gigs with a big stage, but not a chance when it comes to the small bars I (usually, these days), play. The only pedals I put in front of it is a fuzz (just prefer mine, but obviously tons of great fuzztones too on the Mk II), and a TC Spark, just to push the input signal for certain lead sounds. I also run one after, just as a clean boost to those tones that only need amplifying. And I don’t really need those, except that I’m still a bit of a primitive, being approximately 947 years old, in technologically advanced years. So perhaps a little appreciation for having come this far… The simplicity with which I can achieve a massive range of tones, in one very versatile pedal is (for me at least), well worth the seemingly hefty price tag. This pedal has not only replaced the four overdrive/distortion pedals I would have used otherwise, but also gives me around a gazillion or so, potential add on tones, that I might have otherwise compromised on, or never considered employing, for the sake of available/practical real estate. Notwithstanding having big sliders (great for arthritic fingers), with which you can easily fine tune your sounds to any given room, and then store, with ease that even we old bastards can work out. And then there’s that funky automation whenever you change channels. I’ve had a number of sound guys absolutely transfixed, watching those sliders move up and down, as if by magic 🤯 Have to admit, even after more than a year, it still does much the same to me 😉
Super cool and the Automatone is always a fave but all the messing around with controls definitely leaves me happy to stick with my 18v Power Boost and a couple of Tone Benders (Mk1 and Mk2) through a Marshall SLP. Who needs a range of sounds when you can deafen everyone with just one? 😅
I’m gonna fawn on the power boost real quick. If people haven’t been introduced to the amazingness of running a Power Boost right at the front of your chain and riding that guitar volume, they need to. You get that sparkly clean thing you get similar to rolling back guitar volume on a fuzz, which can then get fed to other overdrive pedals. You get this crystal clear sound with tight bass and great articulation for clean sounds.
MIDI is the letter i, not 1. It stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface. It has always stood for this. And while in the grand scheme of things, this doesn’t matter, and we all make mistakes and have blind spots, it is truly shocking to me that you guys are calling it M1D1, especially when you use MIDI in GigRig stuff.
Mick, if you want an overdrive that is NOT traditional, that is open sounding and doesn't compress, i suggest you to check the Joe Gore Cult. That is an amazing Germanium overdrive
I don’t know why anyone wouldn’t be interested in one of these. The argument could be cost (although you can sell your singular pedals). Presets and/or midi make it super easy so you’re not tweaking all the time.
As an Australian from Melbourne, we are indeed absolute legends….in our own lunchbox of course. Thank you gents for all that you do and all the pedals I buy 🤦🏼♂️
Great episode again. Since I just made a small step into this m1d1 world ;) this episode affected GAS. Does this flat v also have a good equalisable clean boost? Do the others have this? Might be able to fit a poly on my board if I can also replace my orange two stroke.
Just wanted to echo the guys’ plea - do please buy their merch. I can attest to how seriously cool it is, I’ve had loads and it’s both great and supports the channel.
Still waiting for you guys to try the Booooom / Blast pedal! Really curious to hear what you can get out of it and where it sits among other OD / Fuzz pedals
I like the idea, but I need more controls or it's quite restricted and confusing, but again it would be even pricier then. I think we need to wait a bit more, when the pedals become more digital/hybrid with tons of options and controls. For now you can just take any basic overdrive pedal and adjust the tone/feel with EQ/compresion before and after the pedal. And on top of that by stacking pedals with different clipping flavours, you would get even better results and more verstility than with these all-in-one solutions.
I think of all these devices, despite its size, the one that best suits a live board for my purposes is actually the Automatone, because: 1) the sliders actually reflect settings for the preset that is actually in play. And, 2) the slider controls would be quick to adjust on the fly compared to the incremental touch controls of the Flat V. They all have their merits, and they all sound cool though.
I’d love to see a TPS episode that all your tones and driven sounds are from EQ pedals only. Say five EQ pedals for all your gain/eq choices for a gig. Five EQ pedals and delay and reverb. Or maybe just the Halo. 😉
I like the idea of the multi drive but, in the end, I end up using one sound and I feel guilty not using its potential, so I prefer just finding the pedal with the sound I want and stick with it.
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Basically, all the pedals sound great- that's the era we live in now- so many freaking awesome pedals- it's great! So, pick the one with the most appealing aesthetic and control set- plus the one you can afford I guess. In today's world you literally can't lose- such a great show guys- love that introduce us to new gear!
This is good. Mick here. I think it might be finally settling in with more and more people. The difference isn't the pedal, it's the intent of how you use it! Sort of a grown-up way of saying that tone is in the fingers! Hahahaha!
Haha I've bought so many pedals because of aesthetics. Not all sounded as good as they looked and some great sounding ones look boring but a cool looking pedal is just cool
I mean I wouldn't go *that* far 😉 ...unless you're talking about things like fretting pressure and pick angle, etc. etc. etc. But I will say that every pedal will work for *somebody* (even Miku Stomp? Even Miku Stomp.) and any electronic gadget, musical or otherwise, is but a tool - and it only has intrinsic value in how it is used.
Especially dirt pedals, at least those with a decent range on the "goes brrrr" knob. Find the sweet spot for *your purposes* and stack it with some things, and make your sound.
I don't like Tube Screamers. I'd need a Fender amp AND a Big Muff to make that mid hump not make me wanna huff straight death (it's not all mid humps: I dig a D+ or Rat all day long... and much as I hate to say it, yeah, I like Klones too - but after all, that's just a Distortion+ with a clean blend, innit) BUT one of my very most favoritest geetar toans EVER (The Cowslingers, That's Truckdrivin') was just Bobby, his axe, his amp, and an 808.
Of course his guitar was a Gretsch with Filter'trons, and his amp was a '60s Vibrolux I THINK Y'ALL SEE WHERE I'M GOING HERE.
Do yr thing right, and you'll mKe it work.
@@ThatPedalShow did you guys cover the treble booster sound in this?
@@ThatPedalShow Intent- so true. As a mix engineer a lot of people hem and haw about which vintage eq to use- and yeah, they sound different (I will always love ssl) but what you do with the EQ, at the end of the day is way more important than exactly which EQ you use. A good mixer can make the right decisions with any EQ- although they will of course have preferences if given the choice, but still- they choices they make will matter more than the specific eq used. Same here- you guys were able to dial in great sounds with all the pedals here, but I'm sure you have preferences based on ease of use etc...
FYI: The knobs on the Kernom are not represented in normal overdrive pedals... they work more like a circuit breadboard, but instantaneous... That pre tone actually does add bass, the post tone functions most like a regular pedal's tone knob. If it were an amp, it would be like knobs controlling the tone stack, the preamp, the poweramp, the tubes, etc. It takes a little getting used to but, within minutes I was getting nearly ever sound of around 12 pedals here in my room. Loving the Kernom!
The Ridge sounds incredible, especially for the price point. Very intuitive and easy to sculpt to the sound you want.
Finally: my favorite show of the week !
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Wishing you all the best from us! X
@@ThatPedalShow Merci 🙏🌸
Sincerely hope that medicine and science will get you thru this. Hang in there! Wishing you all the best
@voxfazer, Lots of positive vibes being sent to you from many of us in the community. Best wishes.
That Poly Flat-V is my spirit pedal. I’ve fallen in love with it and am building a new board with it as the centerpiece. Almost everything I need in a drive plus a ton of ways to get really creative with it. Josh and Loki knocked that thing out of the park.
I’m thinking of running it into a Beebo and dialing it all in with a midi controller.
Excellent show gents. I find when a pedal or amp has too many controls, I can get a bit frustrated dialing in the sound I want. I’ve moved away from that back to a more simple approach. Plus, I like that different pedals have different character of their own. They are instruments unto themselves.
Same, I’m not an all in one guy. Nothing worse than being in the moment and you can’t find the preset on the pedal. I got four drive pedals for six different drive tones. I’m a simple man, and too much tech is too much for me. It’s why I got rid of the strymon big sky. All I really wanted was a shimmer effect, so I got an astral destiny from earthquaker. I ain’t got the time to be going on the internet to learn how to program a pedal. Maybe if the instructions were on a booklet or something it would be a little more better. Yes, more better, that’s not a typo.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I feel the exact same way and I’d personally rather have 4 separate pedals and switches than 4 presets on one pedal.
The Flat V is a lot like Vegemite - an acquired taste but impossible not to love once you "get it".
I've never commented before but this is the GREATEST show ever created. Period.
A quick click on your icon reveals you have multiple comments on this channel alone, including one dating back 11 months and 2 others which on the same video!
Great video. Just got the Kernom, glad to see it holds its own in this capacity.
For me it’s important to keep everything simple, high,med & low gain each in a simple stomp box , each in a loop of my qmx, leaves space for my ears to work from a known starting point and adapt from there to adjust for room & mood...... still an ongoing quest for which those gain pedals will be today, but I’m past thinking that a do it all Pedal will work for me👍🎸❤️
You echo our sentiments pretty much entirely John. Happy toning!
That’s how I treat the Tomato - I tend to settle around the boost/low-to-medium gain drive vibe and then enjoy the expansive EQ range to dial into the band and room, plus the option to save a few settings and suddenly throw in a mad fuzz! I still keep a very known quantity drive on the board, mind, and the Tomato only justifies its place for me if it’s a MIDI board. Otherwise I’m the same as you with a 3-4 separate, simple flavours, which in my case I like to stack most of the time (often negating the need for the loop switcher, as it turns out).
Based on what I saw and heard, having not played any of those do it all pedals, the UI on the a tomato tone was easiest to follow. I’m a HX stomp user as well as a traditional pedalboard user, but the UI is always going to push me either toward or away from a multi functional pedal. If I can’t over come it, I’ll just get three drive pedals to individually do what I need and suffer the tap dancing or programming to place them in the correct order.
After owning all of these, the Boss OD-200 is what remains on my board... 💥
Fantastic pedals, amazing sounds - and a great 40 minutes of 2 of my favorite players! Loved it.
Having owned a Tchula, owner of the small and large Myriad fuzzes, and now the Flat V, I have long held the same view that Josh’s pedals are best in the context of Josh’s hulk hands / electric cable strings / strong attack and, most importantly, a loud amp being made louder by the pedals. The issue for me, apart from not having the luxury at home or even small gigs to really crank this stuff, is that Josh’s pedals are not just loud - we love loud! - but significantly louder at their minimum settings than all my other pedals. So I find it hard to bend them into my rigs in the way that Josh does.
Relatedly, I picked up an H90 and decided to go M1D1 with it, so pulled the Tomato out of the toy cupboard, paired it with the CXM, H90 and an MC6+ML5 for my first gigging MIDI board. 2 tips for owning the Tomato: (1) contrary to the reviews when it launched, where it was all about justifying the price, it won’t replace all your other boutique drives if you’re a tone obsessive like most TPS viewers, but it will cover off a lot of the major food groups and the presets and faders are amazing; (2) keep at least one other fave drive on the board (mine is a Shanks ODS) so you can use it stacked with the Automatone to make the most of its EQ section and preamp-y attributes to get more girth out of your other drives.
You should make an episode where you put a rig together based on pedals that look cool. That's the most important thing about pedals, really.
No arguments here.
Hear hear
I feel like when I inevitably get the kernom I'm going to have to take the case apart and paint it. Looks too much like a storm trooper at the moment!
All sound great but like a lot of players I am going the other way lately, find a few core sounds, limit the number of pedals on my board, limit the complexity of the pedals I am using and dig deep into what I can create with that. Now that the plague years are fading away behind us, and I am playing in the same room with other humans again, I find I want to concentrate on playing music more and exploring options(when it comes to pedals) less. And as others have stated there is so much great sounding gear out there now, that whatever you choose as long as it fits the sound of your chosen style, it is going to sound great.
Love this! Mick here.
This is precisely why I hate to have too many possibilities that end in endless tweaking. Two simple drives which stack well together and suit the amp they are attached to are the better way to get a good tone. These are all great pedals, but they all have an inbuilt rabbit hole... Lee Anderton said in a show something like "We sell more than 400 different drive pedals, and they all sound kinda the same". A great show which was fun to watch anyway!
You should have bring in the Elektron Analog Drive. It‘s an awesome device!
8 different drive type’s, completely programmable, 100 presets with midi, tone control with even a para mid sweep, nice display, expression pedal inputs. Sounds realy good!
they featured it on an earlier vid...I think the consensus was that it takes up a ton of real estate on the board. I have one, and I enjoy it for some desktop studio use (more than guitar). Cheers
Great tones as always today. Endless possibilities. What was nice was that all of the tones sort of felt like derivatives of each other from low gain to mid gain, etc. All were then pleasant to the ear. Maybe a nice extra benefit of having the one unit that does so much. I do notice sometimes that jumping between overdrives or distortions, my ears and brain almost have to adjust to liking the tone. Not the case in your video today. Thanks for all you do.
To my mind, the Hot Cake and the Tilt are the favourites. Sounded great and all I'd need!
I must agree with you. Also, there’s something very appealing about committing to a couple of great drive pedals and just making them work. Otherwise you’ll be fighting “option paralysis” more often than not. Having said that, they’re all good and we’re just insane pedal junkies haha 😂
Recently got my Kernom Ridge and have been enjoying it. It's not as immediately obvious as the Automatone but after a brief skim of the instructions * gasp * it becomes pretty easy to quickly dial in what you're looking for. The Flat V looks interesting but seems like it's maybe a little more limited on the overdrive side with extra bells and whistles that can make the UI more confusing. It's more like a limited/selective multi-FX pedal. Good thing it has M1D1!
Oh, and the Ridge's ability to blend between two different presets with an expression pedal is pretty cool in addition to its Punishing Voltage mode
Great video. Three wonderful pedals. In my own journey I am continuously getting new tones out of my existing pedals. Strymon Riverside, TubeSteader Beekeeper, and my under the radar MI Blues Pro. Tweak the pedal, tweak the amp, adjust the volume and tone on the guitar, and adjust your picking and the range of tones is amazing! suggestion: Dan,at the point if tweaking don't change what you are playing. I cannot hear the tweak when I am overwhelmed by change of you're playing style. just a suggestion as I love your playing and your personality.
Riverside is my favorite drive ever. I’ve tried to replace it several times but it seems to be able to get almost any overdrive/distortion pedal sound I put it up against. Amazing dirt pedal.
I came here hoping for a comparison of the Strymon Riverside and Kernom Ridge. They didn't even include the Riverside, but that's the one I can't let go of.
The flat V is definitely a pedal that works a different part of the brain. Its like those who write notes in illustrations over words. I can see this pedal making absolute sense to some and none to others but thats what I find appealing about it. Especially as a studio tool. In the studio I have a tough time getting on with traditional setups maybe this is a step in a certain type of direction that appeals to a different workflow
Amen to that. Definitely conceived of whatever the other side of the brain it is that controls me! Mick here. I always say Mac and PC people as being the main horribly reductive dividing line down humanity. Hahahah
I'm still using the Tech 21 Sans Amp GT2 since the mid 90's.
Out walking the dog this morning, & about to finish up when TPS drops a new video. Well….. I guess the dog gets a bit of a longer walk today.
Awesome! We’d call that a Win-Win!
The Hamstead Odyssey is another do-it-all that flies under the radar. It's not midiable though. I fall in love with that one over and over again. I think you'd called that one a grown-up's pedal when you had it on the show. Great show today!
Will check that one out, great shout
How amazing is it that the Hot Cake can do what it does with the same setting on a overdriven amp and a clean amp, that's been the revelation to me.
Kernom Ridge plus Boss ES-5 is 90% of all my drive needs, I have a Screamer and Lower gain pedal for stacking purposes!
Love the Dan Townsend intro and those caps are awesome!
Looking forward to this one.....
🤘👍🏿Hope we see the Kernom more. Awesome. But also the Flat V - Wowser.
The first few notes Mick played on that gold top….that sound is just perfection
Thanks Duncan. I flippin love this guitar!
Loved this episode and it also only made me love my Hudson Broadcast dual switch even more. I use that with an EQ pedal before it and I can get many sounds that I like.
I’ve been chasing overdrives for years and had over 12 or so. Yes, a small amount. I have now settled with strymon riverside which has a lot of features, easy to dial in and sounds great in both live and studio recordings.
Yeah man, whatever works. Dan and I likewise been doing it for decades. Different days, different things. I like the variety. Cheers!
I love how 12 seems like a small amount.
I love the Riverside as well! Put it up against so many drive pedals and it always seems to come out on top. Plus, love that it has a noise gate built in too!
@@prizmprty6479 I love the ease of use as well. Great tones and eq possibilities which are easy to dial in. The favourite switch helps as well.
Nice, that's exactly where I'm at, currently. Years ago I looked at the Chase Bliss as a preamp and fuzz, but there is no fx loop between fuzz, which would be first in the chain, and preamp, which would be after other effects. Also some fuzz parameters can only be manipulated via trim pots and can't be part of the presets. I since found the perfect fuzz (Bliss Factory) and might get the Flat V as a preamp and the Kernom to replace ODs/Distortions.
A pedal to try out if ye ever stumble across one is a tc nova drive , it’s got a ts clone with dry blend on one side and Rat clone on the other side, it’s all analog and has M1D1 control the two sides can be stacked in either direction or parallel! Not bad considering it’s years old and not even being made anymore…!
The Poly Flat V may have some great sounds and undoubtably comes from a good place but you’ve hit the nail on the head with it. When it came out it scared me: it feels like they’ve tried to make something more ‘pub/club proof’ than a MKII but they should have used knobs and switchers; changing it on the fly seems hard and it doesn’t have the intuitive UI or feel a pedal that can sit on a desk like the MKII does. The Kernom seems more thought out as a pedal in that regard.
No doubt the manufacture is screaming at us all!
That poly thing is crazy- love seeing something new and unique!
You should check out the Poly Beebo, it’s wild.
With the benefit of more time passing, I still think that these are a ‘miss’ for cork sniffers, although I can absolutely see the benefits for someone who has a broader tonal palette that requires different types of OD and distortion sometimes / often, who isn’t obsessed with finding a specific tone.
Having owned or played these three, the Flat V was another brilliant collab between Josh and a pedal company (the Myriad small and big box fuzzes are both epic, if very loud) which I found pretty much impossible to dial in or tweak - mainly because it was a Loki pedal specifically for Josh and his tone and workflow, not for everyone else. I have the Poly Verbs and I think the format and UI work better in that config.
The Kernom is a bit odd, a bit bland, a bit disposable consumerism-looking, but no doubt useful.
The Automatone is a work of art and I wish it had more variety considering that was the spiel (by reviewers, not by Joel at CB) at launch. Actually, I’d prefer it to have very little variety but nail one or two sounds so as to be a world class, sought after box for a particular tone-seeker, like a Klon, KoT, some of the Kingsley and Cornish stuff etc. The design, ease of programming and tweaking makes it a pleasure to use. It’s just a jack of all trades and master of none. Like the Poly, the CXM reverb pedal is, for me, the better of the two in that faders format.
It’s great to see these kinds of pedals being created, and I am very happy to support the makers by buying them, albeit moving them on.
Great show - crazy the variety of tones these pedals offer. If the form factor of the CB Automatone Preamp Mk II was cut by 50%+, that would be amazing albeit the sliders might require chopsticks to adjust.
I don’t know if I am alone in this thought, but every time I get a new overdrive pedal, I am like holy crapola this is good. But when I plug into my other pedals they are all starting to sound the same to me. Some pedals have a flatter EQ, more amp in a box good for bedroom tone, others are more mid hump booster types that get you heard on a stage when kicking in for a solo. Other than that they are all giving me similar tones. I still love picking up new drive pedals, but they are all going to give me the sounds pretty much of a crunchy guitar rock sound in the end.
There is great wisdom here!
Great video guys. I'm in a keep it simple phase at the moment but every now and then I think about switching up to more complex do it all units with presets (timelines/mobius/collider/etc) but truth be told most of my mod and drive sounds are set and forget and I know my Carbon Copy and DD5 inside out, so for the sake of having to tweak settings a few times in the set, I can live with it. Have a good weekend
And you man, thanks for the thoughts!
Using the K.I.S.S. method always works. If you don't have to think about it, it's good.
On the one hand, I really like the idea of a gain “workstation” that has all the different parts you find in different pedals with the ability to switch them out and reroute. It’s great to see pedals in that vein. On the other hand, I’m personally much more interested in polyphonic and multiband distortions. I do like some of the UI ideas in the Poly. I hate it when knobs get overloaded with shift functions and the knobs position doesn’t reflect the current state of the value you’re changing. Those ladders of touch sensitive LEDs…or whatever they are…on the Poly seem like another alternative to endless encoders with LED collars.
I was listening to your Andy Timmons visit video... I bought a Halo... had to really watch and absorb... having my coffee and a guitar with you LegEnds this morning... Happy Friday... indeed! 😎🤘🎸
@That Pedal Show - @1:23 is worth a replay at least 100 times. Good Lord, just raunchy, goodness. ❤❤❤❤❤
Poly flat v. 400 large for a pedal that hisses like a sausage on a barbecue. Conceptually brilliant. I hope they use it to produce an overdrive pedal.
Very much liked the Kernom
Thank you so much, for complicating things even more 😅. Once again, all beautiful sounding overdrives! I would LOVE to hear these going into the Matchless HC30.
The thing about programmable drive pedals is I don't want to be confused when just using it as a normal pedal. At one point in my life the programmability was important to me but these days I just want to get to business quickly. Having a variety of drive pedals side by side with an EQ somewhere in the middle and delay at the end feels more simple and faster. But that is just my current use case. If I was playing in a cover band that needed to more than a few tones I would suck it up and go programmable. That would make the overall system more simple. But what I do today it isn't worth the investment of learning how to use and integrate the new generation of programmable drives.
Always interesting gentlemen. I could not go the Poly route because it reminds me of the other Poly products that induce option paralysis coupled with a user hostile interface. Personally for me I would rather have three OD pedals that do what they do really well instead of trying to get everything in one place. From a practical usability perspective I prefer the Automatone or the Hot Cake. I don’t want to kill the highs but I also don’t want the ice pick in the earhole. The Tilt sounded pretty decent, and in actuality all the options did. However if I had the funds and could only buy one, it would be the Automatone because the simple interface and that I could see what is going on when standing. Thank you as always for the hard work that you do.
Anything with multiple settings/knobs gives me option paralysis! I'm a set and forget, 4 gain stages in 4 pedals guy, and swap pedals in and out as the wind changes. These programmable, multi function pedals are incredible, but I can't see me using one in the heat of battle (gigging!)
Very interesting, gentlemen. I've been considering Mick's question at the end which, after a bit of reflection, seems very complex and will inspire varying answers across individuals. My own board, pedals, guitars are laden with sentimentality. And indeed my overall experience includes a fair amount of music as medicine. I never imagined even owning an electric guitar. The incredible Renaissance man, Larry Cragg, changed my life in that regard, breathing his own life into the experience with guitar recommendations and perfect setups on each. Oh, and "You need a tube amp." Next came pedals (on my own; he doesn't like much altering what the amp designers created) and TPS. I now have a board with extra pedals on the shelf. I love them all, QMX-10 included, and it's a bit like Desert Island Discs, in the stories each tells and how they represent a journey. All very sentimental. Ha! I guess it couldn't be more obvious my own priority isn't gigging! That would change things, including not lugging around a 56 lb. amp! In that case, it might all change to a Morgan Josh Smith signature [Princeton], a Halo, a Tomato Tone and looper. Maybe a Cali76. Done. Peace, guys. Every episode is a pleasure.
Great show guys thanks!
That automatone sounds really really good
I know you guys have done tube drives/ boosts before but did you compare them to non-tube pedals and why choose one over the other?
Personally I love the simple pedals more. I really don't find a place in my setup for a multi/do it all kind of pedal. Maybe for a studio kind of thing, or if you're a gear junkie having a gear feast at home where you'd be looking to find the optimal tone. But in a gigging situation it's just a hassle me thinks. I love the simplicity of the hot cake and would love to hear more of it. Knowing it's repertoar or limitations it is the kind I want on my board. It sounded great, and I bet that coupled with an EQ you could tweak the knobs to get very close to a lot of the tone characteristics those multi purpose pedals do. All the best, Thor
If I was using a rig with a MIDI switcher, I could totally see the utility of one of these. Or if I needed like four or five different dirt pedals to get all of the sounds I'd need for a set, I'd rather have one of these and a little preset switcher. Personally if I was going that route, I'd probably just grab a MIDI equipped EQ pedal though. That Source Audio one sounds amazing and is way cheaper than any of the MIDI overdrive pedals featured in this video
Fully agreed. Also adding that spending less time on twiddling and more on playing would make more sense ! Recently I realized that to get good results, scales, fluidity, knowing the neck better, composition require more work and are worthwhile working on over and over.
I get closer to music happiness with 2 or 3 favorite tones I usually come back to on the neck pickup of my Reverend Buckshot. Plugged in my Laney Supercub 12 I discovered it had sweet spots I never get bored playing with...
Great to have M1D1 overdrives. I’ve moved more to a rack set up and being able to put these pedals in a rack tray with a small midi controller on the floor to control them is great. Of these I’d probably go with the tomato tone for the UI and I preferred the sounds.
Great show! That Poly sounds fantastic. But does it fuzz? You found some tasteful overdrive tones and displayed its nuanced approach, but it would have useful to see what it can do it higher gain levels.
I think this is a cool comparison but the clearly best is the chase bliss. 😊
Ruling! I love you guys!!!
Josh! Hello mate!
Oh, the rabbit hole. These are for someone who knows overdrive fairly well already is one path of thought. One can find their own personal overdrive sound is another. This is an engineering tool yet another. Basically these do it all particularly the Poly, a tool fit for a titan like Josh
Definitely I am a pick it up and play guy, don't want to be fussing with a lot of pedals. A great sounding amp and pickups is usually all I need. Only occasionally will I get the urge to play around with pedals.
There’s great freedom in that! As the need/want arises for a wider palette of tones, pedals start to make sense. Just as they did for so many great players in history. Just horses for the courses and what the music requires. Cheers!
Such an interesting show guys. I’m loving the HRDX20 and want one to pair with my DRRI. Going with the Five Watt World most music from the least gear ethos, I’m seeing the value of a few MIDI pedals with a programmable MIDI loop switcher, and looking at pedals more as changeable modules or engines rather than pedals. I can get a sound I like with just a couple pedals, but if I need to cover a range of music, they won’t get it done. However, when you need to cover a range, rarely do the tones need to be exact - close is close enough.
please get steve lawson on to talk about bass effects and looping i think that would be a really cool video
Thank you Gentlemen!
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Great vid. Convinced me to put my Hot Cake back on the board.
I own the LovePedal Tchula (gold brick edition); which I love, I even run it on a carbon battery like Josh did. The Poly Flat V looks and sounds sexy, I would dig owning it indeed.
Greetings All, great show. Love the theory and innovation but I just don’t think they are for me. First the obvious is option paralysis. I would be sitting there pulling my hair out trying to find that just perfect tone and every day would be different. Way too much tweaking in a realistic setting. Second if you dial in all these sounds and save them and something breaks down you are in the deep end then. Give me my Duellist, KOT, and Tumnus with reverb and delay and I’m in my happy happy place. By the way the Victory V1 Duchess pedal may be my new favorite more better pedal. Whooo is it just right. Matches nice with all my gear. Thanks again.
Cheers chaps, interesting topic. The hands on nature of the Automatone beats the Kernom, at a price and without the stackability and replaceability of separate pedals. Both cool but not to me compelling. The Flat V is a slightly different kettle of cheese, blending as it does fuzz, overdrive, autowah, envelope filter and many flavours of trem. I rather like its synth like approach, a different take. Doesn't seem to be an option to sync the LFO to midi clock or use an onboard tap tempo though, either of which would be handy for the groove junkies among us. Have a great weekend :)
Always intesting stuff ,thanks guys 👍
Man, I feel like I can't keep up with all of those drives. I'm just into some low gainers pushing my amps, and adjusting my GE-7.. still it's great to see what I'm missing out on.
I find (for myself) that the more controls/parameters something has, there is more opportunity for bad sounds to be found.
I have to keep it simple for my simple mind.
More than 3 knobs.......view it with scepticism
While all the pedals sound great, the Automatone makes the complexity of the do-it-all more simple. I like the Hot Cake (and the OCD!) because I would rather spend my time playing than fiddling around. Josh's pedal sounds great, but it's too heady for the likes of poor me lol! This is my first comment after watching literally hundreds of TPS shows. I love you Dan and Mick- I'm a much better player now because I understand so much more of how signal becomes sound!!! Long live TONE!
Thanks for being here Joshua, and for the kind words. Cheers!
The Tomato-tone has a Fidelity fingerprint that I hear and love. Similar, in concept not tone, to the Fidelity fingerprint the old EchoPlex units have. The Tomato-Tone Fidelity, that's good, real good.
I love to see THE GIG RIG scattered about the board. Best power supplies on the market. Thanks for the great vids, learning every day.
What makes
It different from say an MXR DC brick?
@@smelltheglove2038 I dont know the engineering behind it but the power supplied is clean and I don't get any noise with Gig Rig, my 18v pedals sing and everything seems brighter. The size of the units are smaller then other supplies so I can "hide" them easier in my pedal boards. Then to top it off the main unit has an IEEC plug in so I can remove the power cord when traveling
@@richardpribbernow9941 far out. I get noise when I try and set up a wet/dry rig
@@smelltheglove2038 I use a Mesa Boogie power amp for a left and right stereo /wet path. I use the gig rig power but use the gig rig "Humdinger" to isolate the wet channels. I have 9 stereo pedals hooked up to the wet side and my dry side is two amps a 100 watt Blackstar and a 51 watt Mad Professor, the main dry amps use two seperate 4x12 cabs in a "center" position, I have about 15pedals hooked up to the dry side again all powered by the gig rig. It sounds epic and the humdinger keeps the phase issues taken care of thus eliminating noise. Check out the "That Pedal Show" with Kirk Fletcher, you can hear the noise in his rig disappear when Dan gets done with it...amazing. The look on Kirks face is priceless !!!!
I have a CB Automatone and love it. I admit I won´t take it to a gig, but for recording it has everything I need. The only thing is that I haven´t figure out how to stack pedals with it yet.
I take mine to gigs with a big stage, but not a chance when it comes to the small bars I (usually, these days), play.
The only pedals I put in front of it is a fuzz (just prefer mine, but obviously tons of great fuzztones too on the Mk II), and a TC Spark, just to push the input signal for certain lead sounds. I also run one after, just as a clean boost to those tones that only need amplifying. And I don’t really need those, except that I’m still a bit of a primitive, being approximately 947 years old, in technologically advanced years. So perhaps a little appreciation for having come this far…
The simplicity with which I can achieve a massive range of tones, in one very versatile pedal is (for me at least), well worth the seemingly hefty price tag.
This pedal has not only replaced the four overdrive/distortion pedals I would have used otherwise, but also gives me around a gazillion or so, potential add on tones, that I might have otherwise compromised on, or never considered employing, for the sake of available/practical real estate. Notwithstanding having big sliders (great for arthritic fingers), with which you can easily fine tune your sounds to any given room, and then store, with ease that even we old bastards can work out.
And then there’s that funky automation whenever you change channels. I’ve had a number of sound guys absolutely transfixed, watching those sliders move up and down, as if by magic 🤯
Have to admit, even after more than a year, it still does much the same to me 😉
The Hot Cake is one pedal that I have never player but probably would love.
Format is a huge factor if it's going to be the ultimate overdrive. Smaller is better!
Super cool and the Automatone is always a fave but all the messing around with controls definitely leaves me happy to stick with my 18v Power Boost and a couple of Tone Benders (Mk1 and Mk2) through a Marshall SLP.
Who needs a range of sounds when you can deafen everyone with just one? 😅
I’m gonna fawn on the power boost real quick.
If people haven’t been introduced to the amazingness of running a Power Boost right at the front of your chain and riding that guitar volume, they need to.
You get that sparkly clean thing you get similar to rolling back guitar volume on a fuzz, which can then get fed to other overdrive pedals.
You get this crystal clear sound with tight bass and great articulation for clean sounds.
Digital control of analog circuits is fascinating!
MIDI is the letter i, not 1. It stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface. It has always stood for this. And while in the grand scheme of things, this doesn’t matter, and we all make mistakes and have blind spots, it is truly shocking to me that you guys are calling it M1D1, especially when you use MIDI in GigRig stuff.
Oh really? Wow, that’s amazing. So it’s not actually a 1?!
Chase Bliss all day for me. It's fun, sexy, easy to use and sounds great!
Sorely tempted by the idea of an M1D1 controlled board with drive, delay and modulation all programmable - but analogue as much as possible.....
Can't wait for the KSR Vesta Guitar Preamp pedal.
Mick, if you want an overdrive that is NOT traditional, that is open sounding and doesn't compress, i suggest you to check the Joe Gore Cult. That is an amazing Germanium overdrive
Ooh yeah, +1 for Joe Gore stuff! I tried his Screech and it's one of the best octave fuzzes I've ever played.
@@RobFlaxMusic I have the Cult and the Porkolator. I love Joe Gore stuff. Very dynamic and it sounds amazing
I have always been curious about the EH graphic fuzz pedal. Now I think I'll try and find one.🤘
I don’t know why anyone wouldn’t be interested in one of these. The argument could be cost (although you can sell your singular pedals). Presets and/or midi make it super easy so you’re not tweaking all the time.
As an Australian from Melbourne, we are indeed absolute legends….in our own lunchbox of course. Thank you gents for all that you do and all the pedals I buy 🤦🏼♂️
Great episode again. Since I just made a small step into this m1d1 world ;) this episode affected GAS.
Does this flat v also have a good equalisable clean boost? Do the others have this? Might be able to fit a poly on my board if I can also replace my orange two stroke.
Tilt sounded best to me. Beautiful job Shawn Tubbs and Revv 👍🏻💥💯
Just wanted to echo the guys’ plea - do please buy their merch. I can attest to how seriously cool it is, I’ve had loads and it’s both great and supports the channel.
Thank you kindly!
Is this a trucker Dan episode?!? If it is…yesssss! Come on!
my local guitar shop has gotten their hands on an EQD Palisades. the GAS is real
Still waiting for you guys to try the Booooom / Blast pedal! Really curious to hear what you can get out of it and where it sits among other OD / Fuzz pedals
I'm sure they go through it with Simon Neil on an episode
I like the idea, but I need more controls or it's quite restricted and confusing, but again it would be even pricier then. I think we need to wait a bit more, when the pedals become more digital/hybrid with tons of options and controls. For now you can just take any basic overdrive pedal and adjust the tone/feel with EQ/compresion before and after the pedal. And on top of that by stacking pedals with different clipping flavours, you would get even better results and more verstility than with these all-in-one solutions.
I think of all these devices, despite its size, the one that best suits a live board for my purposes is actually the Automatone, because:
1) the sliders actually reflect settings for the preset that is actually in play. And,
2) the slider controls would be quick to adjust on the fly compared to the incremental touch controls of the Flat V.
They all have their merits, and they all sound cool though.
I’m with you Grant? Mick here
So I finally ordered an Automatone. I reckon between that and my Kingsley Page and Mason I'll have a versatile and organic sounding drive section 🙂
Can you recommend a dynamic od pedal for which I dont have to look at the used market and thats available at a music store in eu?
Love the ZZ Top Mick!
Have mercy.
I’d love to see a TPS episode that all your tones and driven sounds are from EQ pedals only. Say five EQ pedals for all your gain/eq choices for a gig. Five EQ pedals and delay and reverb. Or maybe just the Halo. 😉
For my current band the Paisley Drive Deluxe handles my OD needs. The Protein Pedal is my close 2nd.
I like the idea of the multi drive but, in the end, I end up using one sound and I feel guilty not using its potential, so I prefer just finding the pedal with the sound I want and stick with it.
D&M drive and a Lightspeed does it all for me.