Contactless Fares Can Be Cheaper Than Oyster
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2016
- It's publicised that if you use contactless to pay for travel in London, it's the same price as using an Oyster card. But that's not always the case. We went onto the tube, and made identical journeys using the two different methods of payment to prove what happens, and show you why it does.
Huge thanks as always to Mike Whitaker and his website 'Oyster Rail' full of invaluable information on payment and fares, go and have a look at: www.oyster-rail.org.uk/
Note: If you have a railcard discount (or similar) applied to your Oyster that will always be cheaper than contactless. Discounts cannot be applied to contactless payment cards.
For more details on capping, including how Contactless has automatic weekly capping (and Oyster doesn't) that's here on the TfL website: tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments...
after algebra, geometry, trigonometry, calculus, linear algebra, combinatorics, differential equations ........ here comes travel in uk....
Funny, I just came from college math as well
Yeh train travel in the uk is a complicated science.
@@milkandduckrailway323 the really advance part is evading fares
Are they offering college courses on this?! For credit?! -- ha, ha
@@heleneg525
to reggae music Gregory Isaac
I only travel to London once or twice a month and always use Contactless because I'm too lazy to top up my Oyster. Makes me happy that laziness is saving me money!
The government shall be pleased with you considering they are working overtime to get people to agree to a cashless society, which means even more surveillance and maybe even a social credit system attached to digital payment like they have in China. So, don't be "lazy", question more.
@@bliss448You’re forgetting that cash has as much value as digital currency, and with how much surveillance in the modern age, you can track cash
You can buy a railcard! RT777E from TrainPal 😊
Just here procrastinating for my exam. You learn a new thing everyday
I also know of a superb discount!
Even though I’m 3 years late, I just wanna say that this video was definitely needed and really VERY necessary for people to know... thanks!
kingrapid never too late
I specialize in finding discounts you wouldn’t believe! Feel free to ask me for shopping tips anytime.
I remember comparing my oyster journey to a brother's contactless and was surprised to find he paid less. It's this aspect of travelling on public transport that I hate: never knowing if you are paying too much or not.
WOW--- really interesting video guys. Can't believe how much of a price difference it was!
You actually get free journeys with contactless because you don't have to top up.
Daredevil not really, because you have to "top up" at your bank
You prolly dont care at all but does any of you know a tool to get back into an instagram account?
I was stupid forgot my login password. I appreciate any help you can offer me!
@Caleb Antonio Instablaster =)
Is there anything in the universe as complicated as TfL's fares?
in Hamburg, no one understands either 😂😂😋😂😂 😊
national rail fares
Fares for public transport in Germany in general 😁
It's so fucked up
@@fly89Hamburg is way eaised
If you have a railcard, say 16-25, then your daily off-peak cap is 1/3 lower, for example, £8.45 instead of £12.8 for zone 1-6 (2019). This cap apply to any kind of public transport. Railcards cannot be loaded to contactless so oyster is the only way to utilize this discount
Isn't this for off peak?
Travelling to London soon. Watched many of these videos but yours is by far the best and easiest to understand. Thank you
Thanks Geoff, been enjoying your videos. I regularly use public transport to attend meetings in and around London and had noticed some time back that there was a small price difference between contactless and Oyster, with the later being slightly more expensive. Contactless was far more convenient for me to use and more recently I just use Apple Pay on my phone making my commute much more practical with not having to keep finding tickets in my wallet.
Thanks for this videos as it helped me save on a journey thru zone 1 while I was visiting London for a weekend
Great video, as usual, have spent many hours watching your videos, keep up the good work
wow london has some expensive public transport
Yes because it needed a large-scale upgrade programme covering many decades due to a growing population. Someone has to pay for it.
I think TfL fares in London are good value, you can ride all day unlimited in zones 1 and 2, on tubes buses and Docklands trains, for a max of £7.00 Under 11s free, and 11-15s can get half fare added to Oyster card, Night buses too, Try using transport outside London, that really is expensive.
i agree
london is cheap especially sadiq kahn hopper fare
Under 15s aren't free. I only got a half price 24hr discount when I went when I was 13.
Skelly I live in London and the Under 15's fare is free
So glad I swapped out to contactless last year now! Good to know!
I always thought that TFL should have a day fare finder, where you can add multiple journeys and see how much you'll pay.
They got it now. Is this video still true today?
It caps out so why does it matter
would be good to have an answer from TFL
Ditched my Oyster card years ago in favor of contactless. Added bonus is you don’t have to bother topping off and you don’t have to worry about carrying and losing another card.
What a useful video, guys! Will be watching more
Omg glad i found this video 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 Going to London this week for the first time ever and this Def will help me out. I guess no oyster card for me 😞
sadly contactless cannot give me national rail card discount which is 1/3 off. so to younger persons, oyster is defo cheaper
Really fascinating stuff from Mr Marshall, I admire his energy, but now all less complex as use a £20 60+ Oyster Card, so all my journeys are free, lasts for six years until I’m 66, then I get my Freedom Pass.
Great video.
Have you looked at the monthly or weekly oyster to see if they are better worse or equal to contactless? Or maybe found a threshold of journeys between the two which would favour the one or the other?
These videos are absolutely brilliant! SUBSCRIBED!
I have noticed that contactless is cheaper than oyster and i have been scratching my head trying to figure out why that is. i regularly travel into Euston from Watford Junction (a mixture of peak and off peak). my peak fare is capped at £14.70 (on oyster it costs £16.60) and if i make one journey off peak, one peak it is capped at £12.50 (oyster would cost £13.4). i didn't understand why, but have been happy about it!
Wow thanks for the info! Is this still the case in Sep 2019?
This is very useful informations:-) THANK YOU
If you travel between Harrow-on-the-Hill and Baker Street is it the same price if you travel with Chiltern Railways to Marylebone then get the Bakerloo rather than going direct on the Met?
London fares are insane. A trip from Parramatta Station to Town Hall (which is about 30 km) and then two trips around the city cost 5 pounds on Sydney's trains.
and how many passengers per year?
@Luke A- Car prices too... Aussie top of the range Corolla hybrid is cheaper than entry model non hybrid in Uk....
Hello! We are visiting London in February. I have some questions that you may be able to assist? Can you use the same contactless card for multiple riders? Also, do the cap daily the usage within zone 1 for contactless? I'm very confused about the capping.
For the weekly capping of contactless, if I travel most of the time in zone1-2 during the week but will take one or two trips to zone 4, how will the weekly cap account for? Will it cap at zone 1-2 and charge the extension fee from zone 2 to zone 4? or will it cap at zone 1-zone 4 for the weekly price?
I got a London Underground Android Pay ad at the start of the video. ;)
how much will it cost me go euston... to excel. and on what routes please on a sunday after and return journey on monday afternoon
Great information, thanks. The explanation is almost as complex as a Brussels directive.
Really?
A common misconception is the Number of zones you travel through equates to same fare. If I make an Underground trip from Hornchurch zone 6 to Whitechapel zone 2. It costs the same as going from West Croydon zone 5 overground to Whitechapel. Hornchurch is 1 more zones away from Whitechapel through the district line. Both trips same price
How interesting! Does anyone know if contactless caps the amount to match a travel card? When I go from Slough to London (return) I get the (what I call) all day return including zone 1-6 travel. It works out much cheaper than buying separately a Slough to padding return + day cap for underground. But if I use contactless and just start going in from Slough to Paddington, then use underground etc, will it cap me for the travel card price (around £15) or will it charge me individual train prices plus day cap in London Underground?
Rather good actually... More please.
yay matts back love his one person fan club lol
Thanks Melissa! We'll let him know again that you're his No.1 fan!
I use the bus a lot and buy a monthly fare for this
I rarely use the underground but when I do would it be advisable to use my contactless card rather than topping up my oyster card?
I enjoyed watching it.
Would this ‘trick’ work with any contactless visa debit card or just the british ones? I have a Transferwise one as I am here in London only for a year as an au pair.
so - next time in london I need a travel advisor... - so is there a kind of week ticket? or intelligent ticket like oyster seems? Or would it be always cheaper to directly use contactless payment with mastercard?
Everytime I travelled from Heathrow, to Croydon in zone 6, it was only about £5 something. I think there is a time limit, that lets you travel for one price, if you change trains in a certain time period.
I've stopped using my Oyster card after I had a load of issues with it in the past and "made do" with contactless.
Glad to see that was the right decision. I will often go in via Morden/Wimbledon and then jet around Z1, so would expect similar things happening here.
Do the zone caps work in the same way on NR/Overground services?
If you play with the boats on a day out, do the strange fares there make Oyster and contactless balance out?
It's been a long time since I've been to London, so when you say "contactless," are you saying any credit or debit card you might get from your bank that has contactless, or Apple Pay/Android Pay, will work?
both work
they didn't highlight if they were traveling during Peak or Off peak period.
also there's a daily cap all day travel around £9 i believe
Good morning. I thinking about how to top up my oyster card. I can remember, that I paid cash last time im London. Now my oyster is empty and I have to top up in LHR in july. Could you help me? I want to catch money at the ATM in London, because it's ceaper. Are there other fares at the ATM in the city as at LHR? And can I use my Maestro like normally with the PIN or do I have to use it contactless (so top up the chip on my Maestro) ?
Hope you can help me.
I'm so lucky to come to London with my husband for our summer vacations ( 18 days )
There is one huge advantage of oyster over contactless that you are not considering... You can't add any discount to contactless.. if you have a railcard for example using oyster might be much cheaper.. you have discounted off peak travels and even lower off peak caps, for instance if you travel in zone 1/2 the cap is just over 4£
How about if we travel outside zone 6 from zone 4 and return?
oyster doesn't have a weekly cap as it were, but it has weekly travelcards, which i guess are the same price. if you want to travel outside the zone you have your travelcard is for you need to top up, whereas contactless just charges you removing the extra step, but it still is a facility oyster has. also, given how "zone centric" everyone is in London, i doubt they'd ever go out of their travelcard area to have to worry about topping up.
what contactless doesn't have is a monthly cap and oyster has this. if you're as bad at managing money as i am you might prefer paying for your monthly ticket at the beginning of the month when you have money rather than spending it as you go and realise you can't afford to get to work halfway through the month because you've spent it.
saying all that, i now cycle which is "free" ( i put it in quotes because you need to buy a bike, a lock and pay for the occasional maintenance) so when i do use the tube (raining, too cold, going drinking, etc) i use contactless as oyster is just a card i'd have to faff around with
Is this still applicable? I’m in London next week for a few days for the first time and just want to use my bank card if it’s still as good an option as oyster.
Thanks for this as I always thought Oyster was cheape then using contactless!
Thank you for that.
I guess it’s not fare.
Get it? Hehe.
Rexogamer Switch "drops the mic"
Nice
Rexogamer 😂😂😂
It's contactless cheaper after 10am? I travel Watford to West End.
so contactless could be any payment card ? also do you need to swipe out the contactless card when exiting the tube ?
So I’m coming from Sydney and visiting London for the first time. Is that right, I can just tap my American Express Card through all the stations even from Heathrow to Cockfosters?
What about the oyster card that most students have, which is linked to our 16-25 railcards and will be charged 1/3 cheaper on all journeys?
has this been updated for 2020? what happens with apple pay? does the same principle apply?
Borrowed a friend's Oyster card when visiting UK last year. But then a cousin told me to use contactless and not bother with Oyster. Worked a treat. Won't bother with Oyster again (a bucket list item of mine is Reading to Shenfield assuming they get it running before I start pushing daisies).
Interesting.
On a related note, what happens with contactless cards vs Apple Pay/Android Pay linked to the same card? Does it link together on the fares side or count separately? If I used Android Pay for one journey, and the contactless card itself for another, would they count towards the same cap? If not, could I use my card and lend my payment enabled phone to a friend to use to travel together, or would it throw a fit for the same account to be used twice?
Contactless and Apple/Android Pay are slightly different. For security, Apple/Android Pay 'masks' your actual card details and uses different card details to what your actual card details are when paying. For example, if your card ends with the digits 1234, if you use Apple/Android Pay then your card details get 'masked' and the system will see your card as 5678 instead (or whatever 'fake' card details you get when you sign up to Apple/Android Pay). If you just used your original contactless card then it would see your 'real' card details, and the system would recognize your card as the one ending 1234. Therefore this means you cannot combine the two methods, as the system sees them as completely different things and cannot tell if they are related.
Paper one day cards are cheaper than either, it's all day anywhere in the zones you pay for, for any number of journeys and the same applies to paper bus passes, and you can use your contactless payment card or chip and pin card on the ticket machine
Interesting outcome. Will TfL be addressing this, or will we be more likely to ditch our Oyster cards in favour of our contactless cards?
It might be cheaper for TLF to go for contactless. They will still need to make oyster cards but they maybe able to spend less on them if they can rely on the banks
That might be an idea but there are quite a lot of people who do not like to use contactless or the bank will not give them a contactless card (like me before i changed account types) and you also have tourists that would like to travel and an oyster card is the easiest way to do that instead of trying to explain a paper ticket or anything else it just put money on it with these machines and tap in and go :)
Oyster allows National Railcards to be registered on the card, such as Senior, 16-25, Disabled and the Young Visitor Discount, contactless does not, Oyster-cards will need to be retained to allow these concessions.
Or just allow concessions to be applied to contactless cards?
That won't happen, because the banks would have to let TFL load data onto their cards and they won't.
Ah. This is most interesting. I discovered this discrepancy last August.
I don't think I have full journey history but I posted the below on a london transport related forum but didn't get a response. This was starting in zone 1 and going out to zone 6 and back. So it works both ways!
>>>
I thought oyster and contactless were meant to cost the same (apart from a 7 day cap on cards that is not available on oyster).
Yet when I was in London last weekend, I was travelling with a friend, exactly the same journeys, which included going out to zone 6 (Ruislip) and back. Yet my travel on contactless was capped at 9.80 (which is the cost of zones 1-4) and my friend wasn't capped until 12.50 (which is what I expected to pay for 1-6). There was some bus journeys as well so whether I've come across a rare bug I don't know.
I did wonder if the cost would change before being formally charged, but no, 9.80 has appeared on my statement now.
Is it working still nearly 2k20
how do they tell which payment method you use
Nice! Thank you
This is so interesting! Does anyone know if now, 2 years after this video was published, this is still the case?
I use my student oyster card cos it seems like the cheaper option. I'm curious tho if I could find a cheaper way?
At least I know to use contactless when I don't have my student oyster anymore
Abigail Honestly unless I have a travel card on it I don’t use my student oyster. Otherwise I just use my contactless
if you were to visit all the tube stations in a fastest time record attempt- how much would it cost? (don't worry I'm not after your record) I'm just wodering if you would be charged for every station/ every time you went in or out of a zone or just once for each zone- as long as its the same journey?
you'd buy an all-zones, all-day paper ticket which currently costs £21. you wouldn't use Oyster/Contactless ...
***** of course!- my apologies, that was very dim!! i found your video's yesterday, I'm afraid i am not yet a 'transport geek'- and nor do i live in london :)
I'm quoting from his website:
"You'll need to buy a paper ticket for the day - An adult peak day Zone 1-9 travel costs £21.50. Oyster cards / Contactless are not recommended as they time out after a while (e.g. 90 minutes) and you'll get an error at the gateline as you'll have spent too long underground in-between touching in and touching out . Using a paper ticket means you won't have any problems with this. You can buy a ticket in advance too - you don't have to wait until the morning itself, which will save you time."
If a person travelled off peak on oyster from zone 6 to zone 2, zone 2 to zone 1, capped the journey cost to £6.50, and then did zone 1 to zone 2, having still hit the cap, and then gone from zone 2 back to zone 6, would it be £9.50 on oyster or not???
Do you think this will apply in any kind of underground travelling situation? Can oyster ever be cheaper than contactless?
I am an occasional visitor to London (2 to 3 times a month) and currently use an Oyster when travelling on the rail and Underground. This is because I have a Senior Railcard that I have linked to my Oyster which gives a third off off-peak oyster fares on the Underground and rail. Is it possible to link a Senior Railcard to a contactless card?
No it's not, sadly.
useful video cheers
This video is a year old. Is there not a daily cap on Oyster travel now?
Can you use international contactless cards (e.g., Canadian, US) on London Transit?
Credit cards should work. Debit cards, maybe, but not likely. I'm Canadian & have a Visa Debit card. It won't work as a contactless payment card anywhere in UK. Chip & PIN works fine in most places, but I can't tap it anywhere, so I use an Oyster card. The Oyster ticket machines use chip & PIN, so it's easy to pay for the card & any PAYG value or travelcard you load onto it.
I would use contactless if I could load my student oyster benefits onto it.
That's coming in the next few years, as well as linking Travelcards to Contactless.
Gosh, I didn't know that. What if you didn't complete your journey? I mean, what if you didn't take the final trip back to Moor Park?
Would Oyster have been cheaper.. What a confusing system!
It really isnt. There is no reason to use a PAYG Oyster if you have a British contactless bank card eitherway. Oyster is running on an old tech so wasnt able to deduce that a zone 1-2 daily cap with zone 3-6 extension would have been cheaper overall. A paper ticket version of that journey would have been far more expensive than the Oyster card journey also so not really losing out.
The only way it's cheaper is if you have oyster travelcards. I have a zone 2-4 one for work and if I do any other journeys then it means I don't pay in this zones and only get charged single fares in zones 1 and 5
if you have a railcard, you can attach it to your oyster card at a ticket office, and have your railcard discount applied to qualifying oyster fares, but you can't do that with a contactless card because of course TfL can't write to your bank card.
So that is one reason to use Oyster even if you have a contactless card
Do you still tap your contactless card when exiting the terminal?
Carlo Go yes
Ready,set,GO!!!
What is the situation for Students ? I understand there is a student card, how does it compare to contactless?
How does the contactless system work. Do you need to download a specific app for it to register your journeys. Also for contactles after how many journies does it cap and become free.
Anønymøus Víds register you’re contactless debit or credit card on the oyster TfL app, when you travel on the tube just tap it on the yellow oyster pads at the start and end of your journey.
January 2020 I spent &112 on contacteless, if I had the monthly bus pass on oyster I would have saved £30,00 as monthly bus pass cost £81. This add also should alert any oyster or contacteless users on the tube about fines on when touching your cards in and out preferably with a hammer as their conveniently machines does play a lot of tricks. TFL is out there to make buckets on all the different ways they charge one trip from another.
I'm wondering if using android or Apple pay like I do also makes a difference. since these use temporary card numbers, does the system recognise the weekly cap properly?
The virtual card numbers that these apps use aren't temporary. The cap tracking would work just fine if you used the phone all week, but if you paid on some days with your phone, and other days with your actual card, or paid for some trips on any day with the phone, other trips the same day with the card, the app & the card would be tracked & capped separately.
What is the answer of TFL as they are advertising something different???
How safe are we with TFL with all our Bank details in their Data Base... just a Matter of time
As safe as using it at a shop really
Does that mean if you travel everywhere just as you do if you bought a travel card for the day the journey is cheaper using contactless?
unless you have a disabled persons railcard (or any other railcard of course)
Interesting stuff! I'm using an adult PAYG Oyster with at 16-25 Railcard linked to it, which reduced the daily caps! As soon as I turn 25 and my Railcard expires, I'm moving to contactless!
We would recommend that Tom, yes! If you are paying full adult PAYG fares .. . use Contactless!
Shame that whenever I visit London the queue to ticket office to top up using my railcard discount is unbearable. 😂 Ended up using contactless bank card.
Does the contactless capping applies to buses and trams as well?
buses are charged £1.50 a journey, and caps at £4.50 (after three journeys)
Londonist or anyone ive got a Barclays contactless card do I aloud to use that on the tube
Yes.
THAT IS VERY INTERESING
One day I touched in my Oyster at a DLR station and the DLR wasn't working.
I had to walk home (one hour but not much longer than the bus journey or overground + tube, the only alternatives).
This wasn't the the first time but is the first time I've checked to I've realize that I paid £7.70 (for Incomplete journey DLR to [No touch-out])
After speaking with a customer service almost daily for more than a week, I have finally received a partial refund of £4.80.
Can you find out why this waste of time and money?
I have a problem. I sent y
my 5 oyster cards more than a month ago and I still have no news about the refund. I'm from Spain and I don't know what to do. I can't call because I don't know how to speak English. Help plis
Hi Geoff and Matt my wife and I are Aussie's with a Travel Oyster cards for when we visit London. As we use the underground and Bus network extensively thoughout zone 1-2 but also transfer into London from Heathrow on the Piccadilly Line are you saying that if we were to use contactless payments we would be better off? I know that this video is a couple of years old I would be interested in some feedback as we are heading your way in August 2019.
You arrived yet.
Can someone please help me
Do you have to scan your contactless card at every station or only ones with gates
Every station. But most of them do have gates
I started doing the night bus on Thursday Morning at 01:25 did five bus journeys finish at 04:15 at Liverpool Street only been charged £1.50 for 3 hours of bus journeys thats by contactless
In Belgrade, Serbia, price for month ticket with no daytime travel limit is like 40 pounds. And lot of people do not pay the ticket, but evade controls.
and does it carry each year 1.3 billion people on a 150 year old undergound system or 2.4 billion on trams & buses or 250 million on overground rail, not including national rail services? Thought not.
Below are the details of the potential journey's I will be making for anyone wanting to check. FYI it will be a weekend so offpeak fares apply.
Journey 1 King's cross St pancreas (Z1) to Baker street (z1) - £2.40 using the hammersmith and city line
Journey 2 Baker street (Z1) to Willesden Junction (Z2) - £2.40 using the bakerloo line
Journey 3 Willesden Junction (Z2/3) to Watford Junction (Z9+) - £1.80 using the overground line
Journey 4 Watford Junction (Z9+) to Willesden Junction (Z2) - £1.80 using the overground line
Journey 5 Willesden junction to (Z2) to Oxford circus (z1) - £2.40 using the bakerloo line.
Journey 6 oxford circus (z1) to Euston (z1) - £2.40 using the Victoria line
journey 7 Euston (z1) to Camden Town (z2) - £2.40 using the northern line
journey 8 Camden Town (z2) to Euston (z1) - £2.40 using the northern line
Journey 9 Euston (z1) to King's cross st pancreas (z1) - £2.40 using the northern line
Total of the journeys would be £20.40 without any caps applied. With the zone 1-9+WJ cap it would be £18 (which TFL are claiming on FB, I would be charged on both contactless and oyster) but if I'm using the logic on this video, I would be charged the zone 1 to 2 cap ( £6.80) as I made 5 journeys (Journeys 1,2,5,6,7,8,9), and then charged the journey 3 and 4 £1.80 which would come to £10.40
Is that right or does it not apply in this instance for contactless?
Great video and info. Is this still the case for 2021? I'm visiting London and travelling in zones 1-2 only. Thanks in advance.
hello did you travel to London if so what was you experience between contactless and oyster thanks
No.
Londons fare is atrocious. In Athens I pay less than a euro for my commute on the train.