@@mk84ldb The class 455 isn't used a lot nowadays, Southern and South Western Railway are the only TOC's that use these trains, and South Western Railway are thinking of replacing them.
@@Robdc89 i love the 455s, used to live on the waterloo-guildford line, took those every time i went into london. now ik how to fix the train when the driver passes out.
@@JettisonTheSupreme The class 455 aren't used much on the Waterloo to Guildford line, it's usually the class 707, that mostly run that line. but they do fully run on London suburban line's, such as Waterloo to Woking, and Waterloo to Chessington South or Windsor & Eton Riverside. Southern rail also use the class 455 on their metro services, from London Victoria and London Bridge.
I've always said the difficult thing about being a train driver is not the driving. It's dealing with faults (and the leaf fall season). This video proves it once again. Also, after seeing all this paddling I'm glad I never drove third-rail equipment. :)
What a whimp. You could have a lovely free fireworks display playing with paddles & hook switch poles or better still "Short Circuiting Bars". With Arcs flying over your head & lighting up the sky. Much better than Guy Fawkes Night !!!!
"Welcome to the academy of science. How smart are you?" "I'm a physicist working on string theory," "Yeah, so?" "I can also restart a crappy dead class 455." "Right this way sir!"
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TODAY'S REALITY !!! Great idea, except that in more recent years passenger "Train Operating Company" Drivers are no longer allowed to rectify faults. Because they are driving a train that belongs to a different company. One of the three "Train Owning Companies" who don't want other companies staff touching their equipment. Hence when a minor fault such as a faulty sliding door occurs, the whole train may simply have to be taken out of service, inconveniencing passengers.
that's why it takes a long time to be signed off on a type as well as the route knowledge. you need to know practically every inch of track. For example at night you come around a bend and there's a road running parallel to the track and there's a traffic light on the road showing red, is that a signal at danger or s traffic light? You HAVE to know 😀
Are regular drivers required to perform all this or is it for the engineers? I'm loving the shoe fuse.... copper plate....lol. Any idea how many amps those fuses are rated at by any chance? I know the voltage is very high, so maybe not as high as i think. 200 Amp?
When Starting a 12-car EMU formation out of Waterloo on the 750v DC system, the train would at starting, draw normally 3200 amps. Over at Euston a Class 86 starting a 12-car train would only draw 65 amps. Because the current was 25,000v AC.
Doing that sort of thing in the dark on a rainy night in the middle of nowhere with (hopefully isolated) conductor rails nearby. No thanks. An old EPB driver told me that some drivers would partly pull out a fuse in the cab cupboard and use the arc to light their cigarette!
I wonder if simliar of Class 317/318 has same problem with this video of 455 except wooden paddles (pantograph rises/lowers) AND yaw dampers (90-100 mph) problems?
Wouldn't put my hands near any poxy copper fuses even after paddling up. Just tell them you've tried everything and get the fitters out. There probably sitting playing cards in the bothy anyway.
No you'd be better off just detraining them and getting them to walk to the station with a suitable escort. This would require a block on all lines and a traction current isolation so is something only done as a last resort!
I never realised drivers had this sort of responsibility in dealing with various faults. I suppose in steam days you just needed a big hammer, the bigger the better!
Back in the days of steam you had to "dump the fire" out of the fire box if the boiler water level dropped too low, otherwise the boiler could explode in your face.
No, the third rail supplies 750v Dc which isn’t too useful for auxiliary supplies hence the alternator turns it into a more useful voltage, most likely 415v ac 3 phase,
And in the Netherlands (and probably other parts of Europe as well) it's become increasingly common to strengthen the complete track by mounting a pair of extra rails in the middle.
4ft “check” rails are fitted where slippage is likely such as on tight curves or over some bridges where ballast levels are low. Other than that the rail in the 4ft is (as already said) delivered where a rail change is happening at a later date
If there's a fault, check the relevant circuit breaker. How about the easy option of seeing if any of them are tripped and finding out what it supplies. There's so much padding in this film.
8:10 What the hell do you with the passengers if you are not at a station? Presumably taking them the passengers to a station and then taking the unit out of service would be more sensible?
Inform the passengers they will be provided with alternate transportation. Then, retrieve the paddles to deal with the ensuing riot. Contact dispatch to send a flying squad for assistance. If further emergency assistance is required, set the machine gun isolating cock to the 'operate' position in the cab.
Why the contact surface of the "plus" rail installed at up position? I think it will always be in worst condition - moisture, rain, icing, snow, etc. - hence bad conductance. Moreover, it must be danger for maintenance personal. I guess there is one only advantage it is just simplest installation along track. Explain please, experts. Thanks.
+alberttwo68 oh yes my bad. At my own guess I would say it would be easier from a maintenance standpoint to just put things on top instead of hooking underneath. For example on the DLR, trains cannot be powered through junctions because it would be too complex To have power rails throughout, which means if a train does not have enough momentum to coast it can stop and be immobilised in a junction.
Thanks. I guessed so. Simplest. But have some disadvantages ( dangerest for personal, susceptibility to precipitation). For example, in russia, we have here this one contact rail type yandex.ru/images/search?p=2&text=%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9%20%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%20%D0%B2%20%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE&img_url=http%3A%2F%2Fprivetstudent.com%2Fuploads%2Fposts%2F2012-12%2F1354881226_1c3542403e3f3e3b3842353d4b-13.png&pos=86&rpt=simage
+alberttwo68 yeah, that rail type would have the same issue. Also changing power delivery over the entire network and also adapting trains is a costly measure. It's cheaper just to do the maintenance needed. Also, with the shoes going over the contact surface all the time, I guess it would brush off any water or contaminants.
Might I suggest that when looking & listening around and between cars for defective hoses & connectors you do it on the side opposite that of the electric third rail? Out on the line, it's unguarded completely--no protective slats--so if you slip, stumble, or trip you could make accidental contact with it and the earthed train body, which could very well be a 750-volt ouchie.
Does anybody know why 455/456's have manual air pipes and jumpers, instead of the combined connector block under the Tightlock coupling like other units?
I like to fu** with fleet by calling them and give the FU2DIKFAC fault in the DRA while pissing on the overload switch! Loads of fun Mate, some times I stick the wsb light up my ass and stick my bum out the door at lorrie crossings!
its the way the braking system is designed it you have to apply pressure to the brake cylinders to apply brakes, the 3 step brake that is used on these units uses electrical signals to control the brake valves
When did the Fireman and Brakeman go away? Lots of time and effort saved if the Engineer or Driver could stay with the throttle and let a second person,do the legwork for hot boxes, opening doors and calming, passengers.
Oh boy old train old version same one of nyc subway R44 &R46 wich version are different from usa nyc 🇺🇸 and uk 🇬🇧 Right now my nyc subway cars are replaced new technology train now from R142 and R188b2001 IRT R142 /A 2007 to 2020 IND right now R44 was retired 2009 R46 will retired soon 2021 2023 by R211 . Uk models need retired and replaced
South West Trains apparently have an impeccable reliability record with these units. So the lack of style is at least traded for that. Personally I think they looked pretty decent before their refurbishment.
i don't drive trains, but it's good to be prepared
I was thinking the same thing, best be prepared. When is the exam?
@@mk84ldb The class 455 isn't used a lot nowadays, Southern and South Western Railway are the only TOC's that use these trains, and South Western Railway are thinking of replacing them.
I remember being on a class 455 its door died and kept opening
@@Robdc89 i love the 455s, used to live on the waterloo-guildford line, took those every time i went into london. now ik how to fix the train when the driver passes out.
@@JettisonTheSupreme The class 455 aren't used much on the Waterloo to Guildford line, it's usually the class 707, that mostly run that line. but they do fully run on London suburban line's, such as Waterloo to Woking, and Waterloo to Chessington South or Windsor & Eton Riverside. Southern rail also use the class 455 on their metro services, from London Victoria and London Bridge.
legend has it the driver is still breaking the traction interlock seal on every train to this day
I've always said the difficult thing about being a train driver is not the driving. It's dealing with faults (and the leaf fall season). This video proves it once again. Also, after seeing all this paddling I'm glad I never drove third-rail equipment. :)
What a whimp. You could have a lovely free fireworks display playing with paddles & hook switch poles or better still "Short Circuiting Bars". With Arcs flying over your head & lighting up the sky. Much better than Guy Fawkes Night !!!!
"Welcome to the academy of science. How smart are you?"
"I'm a physicist working on string theory,"
"Yeah, so?"
"I can also restart a crappy dead class 455."
"Right this way sir!"
Traction current isolation, that’s a paddlin’. Blown shoe fuse, that’s a paddlin’. Damaged shoe gear, ooh you better believe that’s a paddlin'
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don't know if I would want to mess whith the power rail in the rain that guy has got balls of steal.
Don’t think I’d want to mess with third rail power if I had balls of steel, either
I imagine you'd actually begin by thinking "Oh fuck not again"
Driver:does anyone here knows how to start a failed 455
Me:my time has come
can't believe I just watched 31 minutes of this.......
TODAY'S REALITY !!!
Great idea, except that in more recent years passenger "Train Operating Company" Drivers are no longer allowed to rectify faults. Because they are driving a train that belongs to a different company. One of the three "Train Owning Companies" who don't want other companies staff touching their equipment. Hence when a minor fault such as a faulty sliding door occurs, the whole train may simply have to be taken out of service, inconveniencing passengers.
How the heck do drivers remember all of this?! I was lost completely after a couple of minutes....
that's why it takes a long time to be signed off on a type as well as the route knowledge. you need to know practically every inch of track. For example at night you come around a bend and there's a road running parallel to the track and there's a traffic light on the road showing red, is that a signal at danger or s traffic light? You HAVE to know 😀
Yes, overly complicated
Is the configuration AB-BA because the train is going to Waterloo?
Love it! You win the internet sir. :o)
omg
Mamma Mia! 🤦🏼♂️😂😂
Are regular drivers required to perform all this or is it for the engineers? I'm loving the shoe fuse.... copper plate....lol. Any idea how many amps those fuses are rated at by any chance? I know the voltage is very high, so maybe not as high as i think. 200 Amp?
The ee507 traction motor draws a max of 2200 amps so the fuse is probably 2500 to 3000. I'll find out for you0
Here's a graph showing amperage draw over time in seconds. columbia.libpthread.so/rw/cl455-perf/CurrentVsTime.png
When Starting a 12-car EMU formation out of Waterloo on the 750v DC system, the train would at starting, draw normally 3200 amps.
Over at Euston a Class 86 starting a 12-car train would only draw 65 amps. Because the current was 25,000v AC.
@@railwaymechanicalengineer4587 wouldn't be surprised if the rail got slightly warm with that current.
Film locations btw, Wimbledon park traincare depot, chessington south station
Extremely interesting to my engineering type mentality. Very highly stimulating.
Aarre Peltomaa
thanks 😁
I don’t know why but these kind of videos are very satisfying to watch.
Why would Fleet be called in if you could just remedy it yourself? Why not just cancel them once you've fixed it?
Doing that sort of thing in the dark on a rainy night in the middle of nowhere with (hopefully isolated) conductor rails nearby. No thanks.
An old EPB driver told me that some drivers would partly pull out a fuse in the cab cupboard and use the arc to light their cigarette!
Is there a video like this for 444/450 desiro units???
Video makes note of there being a Class 508 non motor trailer but fails to mention the two cars from the second Class 210 prototype
at the time this video was made there would only be 1 ex 210 vehicle in service.
I need to get a CRT tv and watch this on it lol
Just the other day I was thinking how to fix a problem on my own personal Class 455 running gear. What ARE the odds I would hit upon this video??
I wonder if simliar of Class 317/318 has same problem with this video of 455 except wooden paddles (pantograph rises/lowers) AND yaw dampers (90-100 mph) problems?
Wouldn't put my hands near any poxy copper fuses even after paddling up. Just tell them you've tried everything and get the fitters out. There probably sitting playing cards in the bothy anyway.
He should get the passengers to give the train a push
No you'd be better off just detraining them and getting them to walk to the station with a suitable escort. This would require a block on all lines and a traction current isolation so is something only done as a last resort!
Potter's Police, Security and Railway videos Don't you do humor? ;)
Imagine if you did everything in the video and your problem wasn’t solved
its a class 60 "the train is a fail".
I never realised drivers had this sort of responsibility in dealing with various faults. I suppose in steam days you just needed a big hammer, the bigger the better!
Back in the days of steam you had to "dump the fire" out of the fire box if the boiler water level dropped too low, otherwise the boiler could explode in your face.
Forgive my ignorance, what does a 'motor alternator' do? Does the train not pick up aux power supply directly from the conductor rail?
No, the third rail supplies 750v Dc which isn’t too useful for auxiliary supplies hence the alternator turns it into a more useful voltage, most likely 415v ac 3 phase,
at 29:49 in the handbook theres class 400
22:30 What do you do with the passengers? Presumably taking them to a station would be better?
Where is paul tyreman?
@marccarless Just use an old broom handle and a pair of thick rubber gloves, that should keep the 25kv at bay :)
one thing i have always wondered is why are there rails that are not used inside the 4 foot? I
if you're talking about 'loose' rails, then they are normally dumped in pairs in the 4 foot when a renewal is due
And in the Netherlands (and probably other parts of Europe as well) it's become increasingly common to strengthen the complete track by mounting a pair of extra rails in the middle.
4ft “check” rails are fitted where slippage is likely such as on tight curves or over some bridges where ballast levels are low.
Other than that the rail in the 4ft is (as already said) delivered where a rail change is happening at a later date
Home at last,and the wife asks what sort of a day have you had? Wondering if there's a job going on the buses.
I'm good because I derive endless amusement from the word "cock" being used so much but how did I end up in this corner of RUclips anyway
"tap" would perhaps be a better word to use.
paulanderson79 That's actually the original meaning of cock.
@@lexifillems I know. I have to admit that it's the constant repetition that bugged me rather than the word's colloquial and contemporary usage.
Just pull our that 750V DC fuse with your bare hands! Paddle up looking directly at the arc. He is my hero!
Maybe he's just tired of his life.
If there's a fault, check the relevant circuit breaker. How about the easy option of seeing if any of them are tripped and finding out what it supplies. There's so much padding in this film.
8:10 What the hell do you with the passengers if you are not at a station? Presumably taking them the passengers to a station and then taking the unit out of service would be more sensible?
Inform the passengers they will be provided with alternate transportation. Then, retrieve the paddles to deal with the ensuing riot. Contact dispatch to send a flying squad for assistance. If further emergency assistance is required, set the machine gun isolating cock to the 'operate' position in the cab.
Helps being an old Boy Scout to tie knots like that.
This is a South West Trains film, not an NR film.
Why the contact surface of the "plus" rail installed at up position? I think it will always be in worst condition - moisture, rain, icing, snow, etc. - hence bad conductance. Moreover, it must be danger for maintenance personal.
I guess there is one only advantage it is just simplest installation along track. Explain please, experts. Thanks.
DC electricity flows from - to + so the + rail is simply the return path.
You did not understand question.
+alberttwo68 oh yes my bad. At my own guess I would say it would be easier from a maintenance standpoint to just put things on top instead of hooking underneath. For example on the DLR, trains cannot be powered through junctions because it would be too complex To have power rails throughout, which means if a train does not have enough momentum to coast it can stop and be immobilised in a junction.
Thanks. I guessed so. Simplest. But have some disadvantages ( dangerest for personal, susceptibility to precipitation). For example, in russia, we have here this one contact rail type yandex.ru/images/search?p=2&text=%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9%20%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%20%D0%B2%20%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE&img_url=http%3A%2F%2Fprivetstudent.com%2Fuploads%2Fposts%2F2012-12%2F1354881226_1c3542403e3f3e3b3842353d4b-13.png&pos=86&rpt=simage
+alberttwo68 yeah, that rail type would have the same issue. Also changing power delivery over the entire network and also adapting trains is a costly measure. It's cheaper just to do the maintenance needed. Also, with the shoes going over the contact surface all the time, I guess it would brush off any water or contaminants.
Look like electric sprinters. Which I guess sprinters were similar body shells to these
That's because they more or less are, but one difference is that being intended for relatively short journeys, they don't have toilets
@@grassytramtracks thank you
I make you right but have you factored in the Giant Space Haddock of Lowestoft, otherwise a Causality Loop could theoretically occur!
Bookmarked for...when I move to England...and start driving class 455s...
6:28 Is that... is that in reverse?
Might I suggest that when looking & listening around and between cars for defective hoses & connectors you do it on the side opposite that of the electric third rail? Out on the line, it's unguarded completely--no protective slats--so if you slip, stumble, or trip you could make accidental contact with it and the earthed train body, which could very well be a 750-volt ouchie.
@markb846 I'm so glad I was able to help :) I love the old Thumpers, never had an opportunity to drive one
Was all very safety-orientated until the very last comment in the video.... "Remember, LOST TIME IS LOST MONEY".
Does anybody know why 455/456's have manual air pipes and jumpers, instead of the combined connector block under the Tightlock coupling like other units?
I think it was something to do with tradition, the old southern region didn’t like change.
6:28 - They seriously just reversed the clip from 6:21.
Fleet will certainly give you the help you need to get going.... 😂
I like to fu** with fleet by calling them and give the FU2DIKFAC fault in the DRA while pissing on the overload switch! Loads of fun Mate, some times I stick the wsb light up my ass and stick my bum out the door at lorrie crossings!
bmcclure0561dad Fleet is a brand of enema in the USA
Aaaah come on, that was funny!
Kin ell, how can anyone remember that lot?! I`d call the AA.
Why don't they have a reduction of brake cylinder pressure mean the application of the brakes?
its the way the braking system is designed it you have to apply pressure to the brake cylinders to apply brakes, the 3 step brake that is used on these units uses electrical signals to control the brake valves
Proved usefu when fault finding on Thumper 205205
When did the
Fireman and Brakeman go away? Lots of time and effort saved if the
Engineer or Driver could stay with the throttle and let a second person,do the legwork for hot boxes, opening doors and calming, passengers.
I can just see drivers going through this routine. Too many health and safety issues now. There will be more cock ups
nice, thanks for sharing mate
Great video👍
wooden paddles yip looks like british rail built tech to me!
if it non of these work the unit needs scrapping.
Fascinating...
18:10 Close these isolating cox.
Perhaps it needs water or more coal?
Good luck getting drivers to do this sort of thing nowadays
0:48 that's a very sleep decline.
Wimbledon flyover isn't that steep
Why am I watching this
It's not like they even use these trains anymore
They still do actuality… 2 years after you made that comment.
They still do on south western
Get train from a to b getting commuters home on time.
Terry Medford, Surbiton.
I'm thinking of getting a job at south western railways
Take a shot everytime you hear the word shoe.
yeh, just grab hold of that fuse mate.....whoops!....wiring fault that's just turned your heart into cooked rubber......sorry about that.
be nice if the sytem said what the fault was!
Nope, that is why you go to school for 100 years
good nice and edgucational
No pressure on the driver. Get on to fleet to stop their constant tea and biscuits and get them out to do your job. YOUR A DRIVER NOT A FUCKING TECH.
The 455 is 750v dc
Oh boy old train old version same one of nyc subway R44 &R46 wich version are different from usa nyc 🇺🇸 and uk 🇬🇧
Right now my nyc subway cars are replaced new technology train now from R142 and R188b2001 IRT R142 /A 2007 to 2020 IND right now R44 was retired 2009 R46 will retired soon 2021 2023 by R211 . Uk models need retired and replaced
You want this bloke to be a mechanic with no training. So scandalous
At least, the class 455s will be replaced by new trains by South Western Railway.
Horrible units: featureless, boring to work on (you don't drive them,) no character, nothing likeable at all.
South West Trains apparently have an impeccable reliability record with these units. So the lack of style is at least traded for that. Personally I think they looked pretty decent before their refurbishment.
True.
Thank god these shitty old trains are going!
Yea its full of education but its just to boaring. :/
It's spelt 'boring'. Obviously you do need educating.