Avoid These JKD "Influencers!"
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There's nothing wrong with martial arts entertainment, however if you're looking for actual martial training, specifically Jeet Kune Do, there are some things you should be very careful to avoid.
It's important to say that we are not out to demean or put people down who are excited about training or spreading Jeet Kune Do. It's always important to look at what is being presented as actual training, so that you can avoid some serious pitfalls. Taking advice on martial movement from an unqualified individual could be detrimental to your training and your body. For the following examples, don't just take our word for it, use your own critical eye to evaluate the movements you see.
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Always think hit
Simplicity
Efficiency
Use your longest available weapon to the nearest available target
These are the four principles that Jeet Kune Do is built on.
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Hey this is Tim Witherspoon 2X heavyweight champion of the world. About a year ago I came across a book which had a collection of Bruce Lee's writings in it called Tao of Jeet Kune Do. I was fascinated by his insight and use of old school boxing it was really mind blowing. It is sad because I truly believe he was a man outside of his time. Today I could really see him revolutionizing boxing and even MMA although I am not an expert on that MMA. He was obviously extremely influential during his time but today he would have even been greater.
Thanks for your comment! We think the book is a great reference as it should be a supplement to the training you already have. We wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of stuff on distance/timing and striking structure challenged the way you approach in some ways.
Champ. I remember U. Surprise to see you here.
Hey, champ! Loved your comments on the lack of technical skill in Fury/Wilder 3-spot on. And you're right about Bruce: He was VERY influenced by the sweet science. A chunk of his notes was paraphrased from a 1940 boxing manual by Edwin L. Haislet; he collected tons of fight footage, studying things like Ali’s footwork and Dempsey’s drop-step punch; and he worked with professional heavyweight Joey Orbillo. In fact, by the end of his life he’d stripped down his approach to where his hand techniques were very much like old-school boxing mixed with fencing. Speaking of old-school, one of his favorite tricks was stepping on a person’s foot when he closed, but you didn’t hear that from me, lol.
@@randalwung8715 Believe it or not I actually own a copy of "BOXING" by Edwin L Haislet
Tim , good to see you here ...Remember your fight with Frank Bruno. You were a good champion......The best source to learn JKD is not from the Tao of JKD but from the book BRUCE LEE'S FIGHTING METHOD. This is much more realistic & comprehensive in respect of body mechanics, applying economy & showing how Bruce integrated boxing as a tool at different ranges as he did with fencing.....The trouble with the Tao of Jeet Kune Do is that it was posthumously compiled notes of Bruce possibly by Linda which doesn't reflect the evolution of the Art....In JKD Bruce actually made a very scholastic assessment of different tools to decisive target at different ranges & he transcended the Wing Chun he evolved out of by realizing it was far too down the centre & the way in which stronger body mechanics in boxing could kill it with POWER and with ANGLES .....Before he passed away a few months ago at 93 I was talking extensively to Bruce's friend LEO FONG....Leo witnessed this evolution in Bruce's thinking when Bruce was alive ..He knew him for 12 years & he showed me letters displaying that Bruce respected Leo's opinions on boxing. Leo said that in the 1960s he would go round Bruce's house & find Bruce watching 16mm films of Muhammad Ali's fights either in a Mirror or from behind a projection screen so he could observe Ali's style in REVERSE. Leo spoke to Bruce the day after the Wong Jack Man fight on the phone & Leo said he told Bruce how as a boxer he would KO Wing Chun 'Paper Tigers' with simple direct Left Hooks ....Another thing that is interesting is to see Bruce's copies of boxing books like Haislet's Boxing,,,,& the books by Driscoll & of course Dempsey. With Bruce's notes & comments in the margin one can deduce much of Bruce's thinking of how he was integrating boxing & how it did away with a lot of the Wing Chun as being axiomatic to JKD for reasons related to economy. Bruce would say for instance that Boxing was DEFENSIVELY better than Wing Chun because the footwork enabled you to step to the outside to avoid getting hit by the cross...Wing Chun being too down the centre cannot do this of course.... In his margin notes in the books Bruce would sometimes challenge assumptions, but other times he would transcribe otherwise verbatim passages from these books changing just a few of the technical terms to be in line with what he was developing. Bruce Lee's fighting method is the best investment. There have been many others who have contributed to the debate on JKD but for reasons of economy in my humble opinion TOMMY CARRUTHERS is the single most significant figure to emerge.
You're absolutely right, these influencers do not have JKD experience. DK even mentioned in an interview that he doesn't practice JKD. A lot of so-called JKD practitioners don't even teach the real JKD, but a watered-out version of it. The JKD that was taught in 1967 is not the JKD that Bruce had evolved in 1973. So yes, they should take a closer look at the teacher and see him move and teach. And nowadays, who the teacher was taught by doesn't mean anything, because it says nothing about what the teacher is actually teaching. For example, he could be certified by XYZ teacher but is teaching something completely different from that what he was taught. JKD in reality has more to do with Fencing, Physics, Biomechanics, and Boxing. So chose carefully and good luck in finding the right one. 😊
I lost all 💯% respect for dk yoo when he said in an interview he doesn't know who Bruce Lee was and never heard of jkd 😂 like bruuuuhhhh
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the one inch punch came from Bruce Lee and there are videos of Dk yoo demonstrating the one inch punch. I called these people donkeys. that the problem with donkeys, they think the world is blind, if anyone is blind is the one pretending to be blind. (a donkey is a person who rides on other people's ideas.)
I think I follow your donkey analogy. Yes, the one in punch was a gimmick that Bruce used. He was showing off to a bunch of other martial artists. It was never a part of training. DK used the same gimmick, just not to actual martial artists.
Dan inosanto is a legit jkd instructor
Just saw this now! Thanks for the shoutout! Feel free to use the @ and tag me in your descriptions in the future so I get notified when you mention me. There's a "mentions" tab in my comment section where I can see all mentions from other channels!
Master wong is legit, ive seen hem spar with a few fellows from phillipines, thailand and boxers i think he has an understanding of what he teaches, and his theories are also on point
Hey, we are just experts pointing out information, sharing our insight and asking you to take a look at these people through the examples presented.
There are a great many who say they are “legit”, but none of those people are actual martial arts experts themselves. Heck, most of them don’t actually train, and are just fans. All the actual martial artists, especially those from the JKD world, have agreed with us.
Its so dissapointing, because when you understand jkd you know how effective and dangerous it actually could be and these people turn others off from looking at it themselves. The trapping is especially effective in certain grappling positions, like when I'm mounted on someone or in their guard; its easy to rain elbows and punches right through their attempts at guarding (when they don't train trapping)
True, simplified hand trapping does work and really well too if properly setup. The great Rob Kaman would often successfully use it in his fights, as would other elite Dutch-style kickboxers. Thanks to the influence of one such striker, Henry Hooft, who runs a gym in Florida, hand trapping has now seeped into high-level MMA. We can see a recent example of this at work in the Kamaru Usman vs. Jorge Masvidal UFC title fight: Usman (a former student of Hooft) throws a series of jabs to read Masvidal's reaction. After he sees that Jorge's preferred defensive manoeuvre is a same-side parry, Usman takes advantage of this by extending his left arm as if to throw yet another jab. However, instead of completing the jab, Usman quickly grabs Masvidal's right parrying hand to remove that obstacle out of the way, thereby opening a clear path toward Jorge's face. The end result is a devastating right cross knockout.
Yes! Exactly! Finally people are getting it! I’m an old school shoot fighter 90-94 era and I’ve been studying Kung fu since age 10 or 12 .. trapping definitely works.. muy Thai uses it.. mma Leo are now getting it.. fantastic
People have forgotten that JKD is an expression of your self thru movement..now are there core principles,concepts,and basic methods.. yes and then there's you the INDIVIDUAL.. James demile is my sifu... you can tell real quick his real and how not by the way they MOVE..
JKD is not a style that can be taught by anyone. It's Bruce's personal philosophy that was incomplete because he died young
Yes and no. There's a difference between style and individuality.
"Style" could be better thought of as a method of cultivation, a training program. That is what Jeet Kune Do is. Bruce Lee's following of, teaching of, and expression of Jeet Kune Do can never be replicated. That's where the individuality comes into play. Nobody can replicate mine either. Or yours.
They can follow the outline and develop themselves. Outline is style. Personal development is individuality.
There are lots of fitness programs out there that were put together by individuals. Others follow the program. But again, there is always the individual.
My point is that if you don't start with the program and someone who has a solid notion of how to implement said program then maybe it's not the real deal. In this case, that "program" is Jeet Kune Do.
@@evolutionJKDSometimes this is all very confusing, when it's quite simple. In fact style, individuality and expression are all connected( a 3 fold unitary pattern with an order of precedence). A style is a particular manner of action. A distinct presentation or appearance. A distinct "way" or manner of expressing. These definitions cannot be argued. In this case that "way" would be of the intercepting "fist"( Fist being the entire human make up, seen/unseen) based more so off of emotional content, but not excluding style, rather trumping style after those basic foundational principles have been set in training (as you stated training is style) which in turn creates and or reveals the individuality. I feel like Bruce wanted so badly to get ppl out a robotic format vs. true application way of thinking amongst other ideals, he kicked the literal concept of the word style to the gutter, he needed to stretch it as far away possible from its counterparts like a rubber band to get his point across, it happens like that sometimes. He knew they were intertwined but in order to get his point across he needed to be firm in his convictions. I won't keep going unless you'd like to further this topic. I have more examples of this. Btw,
after all a mathematical expression is not an equation, its actually just that until it becomes an equation, and this is where he was headed and also reached. This is such a fascinating topic thank you gentlemen for your insight. I respect all you've accomplished and done. This is just my view. Take care Brothers.
You know.. I was thjnking about it and.. I’m so glad you included Eric Martirosian in this because.. this week alone I’ve seen guys using crap and teaching it.. I’ve seen dangerous techniques. I’ve seen unorthodox and strange core or essence material.. meaning “pendulum kicking BUI SAO entries and range tactics, weren’t there. I haven’t seen anything BRUCE LEE was doing. I’m just happy to see that you guys kept it so real ..
I agree with the others but Emil is the real deal. That man is built like a body builder but he moves like a dancer. Incredible speed and power. And no he is not an ''influencer''. He doesn't even use social media other than a youtube. He has met Dan Inosanto, Tommy Carruthers and followed in the JKD lineage as closely as possible.
I would disagree with the body builder and dancer comparisons.
In my opinion Emil throws too many passive moves before he does a single hit. What he shows in his videos looks like a pre-arranged set of moves, good for movies, but it cannot be used successfully in sparring. But overall he's a nice and talented guy who decided to go his own way.
Master wong never claimed to know jkd. He is a wing chun practitioner who utilizes wing chun and its practicalities in a situation. I have read the book about him. While there are some that are "mcdojo" or "bullshito" practioners claiming all kinds of things, not all are full of shit. Research should be done on a person(youtube videos are not a good source) before placing judgement. Jake mace is another martial arts practitioner(kung-fu) and he has real experience. Like anything on the web, there needs to be a degree of credible knowledge on subject matter or extensive research from credible sources. There are also "practicioners of martial arts" that will make a video discrediting other practitioners. Its just how it is. The experience speaks for itself.
@mattnobrega6621 Holy $hit!!! This is an epic keyboard warrior comment that you've posted!!
Here is a quick breakdown of each sentence.
1) It literally says "JKD body weapon" in the video clip I use. (Look, I can use quotes too!)
2) Not discussing wing chun. Yeah, martial arts are about "practicalities in a situation". Kind of a thing. (Look, I used quotes again!)
3) Was this purported "book" about him an autobiography? Was it written in crayon? (Those quotes indicate sarcasm.)
4) Dude....it's BULLSHIDO. Saying "or 'bullshito' practitioners" is incorrect. No T. (That's me using quotes inside of quotes.)
5) The irony of you saying "research" when making a comment on a "youtube video" is not lost. (Two quotes. Sarcasm implied. Look at me go!)
6) Jake Mace? Seriously? Makes me question you putting "Marine veteran" on your about. I always check to see if people have any videos. You don't. US Marine Corps or just "Marine veteran" somewhere else? (I'm getting good at using these quotes!)
7) Yes, there should be a degree of "credible knowledge", and you would know I have said "credible knowledge", if you'd actually done any "research" about who I am. (I used the same quote twice in this one. That third one was just a bonus.)
8) "Its" in this case, should be "It's". (It's not just about the quotes. It's also about the apostrophes.)
9) This experience says, "Thanks for giving me material for future content."
If these guys are bad JKD Instructors, then why not challenge them? Just sayin. 🤷
The better question is why aren't these "influencers" challenging any legit people?
@@evolutionJKD They already did. What about you? Are you game?
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@@caeronrolle3583Emil's student (black rhino) was challenged by a Polish JKD instructor earlier this year, and rhino literally shat himself and scuttled under a rock. I even challenged "king Simon" (another one of Emil's students) a few days back and he chicken out too. Not very confident in their JKD fake tuition, it seems. (PS, king Simon's wife cheated on him with a professional Mr Grey back in 2012)
@@gemini-tkd-sam4104 Two comments down below you wrote that it was Emils student who channelged polish dude, as they say in my country: "lies have short legs"
Nice commentary. Thanks for doing this. Do more on this topic. So called JKD people in this look like bad point fighters from my Karate tournament days
Thanks. There will be more insight coming!
Well Master Wong isn't JKD and I've never seen him promote himself as a JKD person, he's always said his styles are Wing Chun Tai Chi.
It literally says “JKD body weapon” and “JKD training questions”!
Two problems are that you didn’t watch the video, and it’s apparent that you should. It’s aimed at people like you. Followed by the fact that you voice an opinion on something you clearly have no understanding on to an expert in that field.
Maybe it’s time to stop typing and do a little more listening. And some actual training.
@@evolutionJKD first of all I did watch the while video, just like I've watched his and he repeatedly has stated his styles are Wing Chun and Tai Chi. Please don't assume anything about me because you do not know me. I've boxed for almost 20 years and done other martial arts training, if you'd like to test things out we meet up and maybe spar or something if you'd like.
Go to 4:32 in the video. Although to be fair, his website JKDbodyweapon.com is apparently now dead. And if you Google "JKD body weapon" he pops up. He presents himself as "JKD".
My RUclips channel is a place for me to voice my expertise in the realm of Jeet Kune Do. Questions and opinions are welcome here. Anyone wanting to move with me needs to come to me and book a training session.
@@evolutionJKD as long as I have seen master Wong online, he has always said his style is Wing Chun and I even think he refers to it as tactical wing Chun. I’m not calling you incorrect, but I’ve never heard him say his style is jkd. Although you have the proof here with the video.
But on the topic at hand, regardless of his style…I read his book and ima say I 100% agree with you
Mr. Wong has several jkd videos on RUclips. I like his taiji quan form though.
good video! all of these charlatans are exactly as described: just influencers, but not possessing true authentic knowledge or skill. most of them bullying thugs. that's the problem with lots of American students complete lack of humility or patience they just want to learn the flashiness Bruce described as being easy to fake.
There's people who use the name jkd for clout and "credentials" and then there's people who use and teach the techniques and concepts from jkd, but pass it off as their own innovations. Both piss me off lol
The other's may suck but i love Master Wong he is a beast. LOL
Great video, and AT LAST!! these idiots being exposed
Thanks!
Excellent video guys!~
Buen análisis de ayuda a los practicantes de cualquier arte. Saludos cordiales desde Chile. Mi guía Joaquín Marcelo, mi profesor Rafael Olivera
Are you kidding, Emil Martirossian is so knowledgable and sharp in his technique. Totally disagree.
Just wondering what you think is "sharp". Put a video of his that you think is good in your reply along with what in it you think is good.
Interesting video, good work 👍
5:35 ya. It shows when they say they know JKD and then it doesn’t look CLEAN or we don’t see our core techniques coming out.
People like this is why the mma guys and others think JKD is all bull sh** disgrace to the art
Thanks for your analysis on these people.
Hope you keep watching for more content!
Any martial artist that spends their time trying to discredit another martial arts instructor is trash. You get no respect.
I'm good then, since none of these guys are actual instructors. Just fakes.
Marty, exactly who are you that I should need to earn your respect? Please elaborate. I've gained the respect of....let's do a rough count in my head.....Yeah, I went over a dozen in a quick count of actual martial experts who respect me. I don't actually need the respect of you or any of the people mentioned in this video. That should have been clear.
I would suggest that you go to a quality school and begin actual martial training. While likely not to my level, something positive is infinitely better than just sitting in your room pretending you know something. Oh, and when you do go in to actually train, check that inflated ego before you walk in the door.
Im glad someone finally spoke up about these goof.
Everyone still arguing about 'shtyles'(what's your shtyle?), the tale of the tape shows what works, even against a western boxer, and what doesn't.
Met lots of guys who demanded to be called Master, Sensei, etc., few of them actually were. They'd never been realistically challenged and relied on their ego and reputation to carry them.
Many claimed actual fighting/combat experience and expertise(i.e. 'Warfare Combat System'), also saw them get crushed by green belts and lose instantly in real life situations.
Find an instructor with experience and humility, you won't be treated as just a training dummy or a sparring target.
This video is to help people avoid those types of “instructors”. I’ve been really fortunate to have trained with several amazing instructors who had walked the walk. It was always about the learning with them, not feeding their egos. I try to be the same kind of instructor.
You forgot to add black rhino aka fake Howard the coward
Lmao. Funny you say that. He gives my channel sh** as well. But he has never fought himself.
@@thefightsystemhe’s a dickhead and needs a good smack. If he keeps harassing people like he does he’ll get what’s coming to him. He’s about as athletic as a garden snail. Couldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag.
Thank you very much!!! Not for my benefit.....I always thought these guy's wasn't for jkd at all. Especially DK Yoo. People over hypes him so much that think he's the real deal. He's systema practionier thats all. And master Wong? He's a Wing Chun and Tai chi guy. A lot of stuff he does about jkd is not jkd at all. Patterns is too fix and oversimplified, when Bruce jkd utilizes simplicity and directness. Nice video!!!!
My issue with jkd is that everyone thinks practicing it means imitating bruce lee. When in reality it's the exact opposite. Jkd isn't even a martial art. It's a philosophy bruce lee used to develop his own way of fighting
I agree with so many just wanting to copy Bruce Lee. And that is the movie version of him!!!
There is a good jkd school in Australia in Sydney, walt missingham is the sifu
He is about 70 odd years old I remember my first class he demonstrated a kick , the poor guy holding the pad went flying I couldn't believe the power and how quick it was .
Plus his fight IQ , he's also good mates with Dan inosanto .
I believe there are some great jkd schools around, but unfortunately there is alot of rubbish ones
Muy buen video de aprendizaje. Saludos cordiales desde Chile mi profesor Rafael Oliveras de Puerto Rico
Awe man I couldn't believe it's you when I saw this, I wish you guys never left Oklahoma. I was lookin forward to taking some classes for years but never found the time and/or money lol😅
Maybe you can catch me with one of my seminars!
Hey everyone, i truly aggree with your point of view and the elements you present. You totally right. Above you point the fact of being respectfull, and i think that is an important point.. calling them clowns is not really respectfull. I mean we have to be better and is not necessary to called them with "names". Again, i m nobody, just a master of martial art.. we have to be better... With all respect to you, i wish you well🙏🏾
There isn't a lot of oversight in martial arts, and almost none in JKD, so it is up to those of us who know, to do so.
If you've walked in martial circles, then you know very well that we call out posers and fakes to their face and are happy to step up.
I'll give you a different way to look at it. These guys are like Don Kanonji pretending to be like Kenpachi Zaraki.
Anyone who trained original JKD knows that the guys who you exposed in this video have no clue what JKD is. It is laughable what they show claiming it is JKD and should be slapped for doing so. Subscribed!
Thanks! Regular info coming out every week!
@@evolutionJKD id call the jkd concept guys or like insonato said thats there jkd but its not bruce lees jkd great video
@@brennansnowdon4642that's the point of JKD, it's not a style it's a philosophy for blending arts 😮💨
JKD is a concept that is ever changing with each practitioner that adds his or hers expression..however what we have now are emulators of movies and fantasy ideas
Agreed. Not many actual fighters out there today. Lots of posing though!!
Outstanding!
You learn jkd by yourself
I have to admit, I've been impressed by the "martial artists" you analysed (with the few videos Ive watched years ago), and seeing your analyse now in some of those videos, I have to admit, man "you're right". When watching the videos where they are demonstrating, they do look amazing, but the videos when "sparring" it's very disappointing, they do look like amateurs with no "fighting experience" whatsoever.
Great video!
They look great when they move, but it's "movie" movement. Exciting and fun to watch, but it doesn't hold up under pressure in the real world. For entertainment, I think it's great. For learning martial skill, nope.
the irony is that you won't find any real sparing in this channel too lol
Not what this channel is about. The irony is that there isn't anything on your channel at all.
@@evolutionJKD I don't have channel about martial arts. If I did I would upload my sparings as a first thing to do. No sparings makes you a dancer not a fighter. Martial artist who isn't a fighter isn't a martial artist.
“If I actually trained in martial arts and could fight then I’d post something, but I haven’t trained and I can’t fight so I’ll just sit here and go tipity tapity because I’m a KEYBOARD WARRIOR!!“ is what I hear from you.
3:53 martiroisan all he does is flappy hands and side kick (nuke) on people just standing there
Everyone says they practice jkd - till they get punched in the face. --- Tyke Myson
LOL!!
3:09 it’s sad man.. I’ve seen several different guys this week.. all ignorant like that.. hurting the students.. not teaching anything real or of value.. and yes.. DK YOO doesn’t seem to know how to scrap a lick.. now, I will say this.. it’s not necessary for a teacher of martial arts to be the toughest guy in the world or dojo for that matter.. but he has respect level at all times.. safety is a priority at all times.. and lastly “The knowledge I’m seeing these guys share, isn’t anything close to what wing chun n jkd can offer.” Like I said, it’s sad that they are popular.. because the stuff is dangerous
What about Mark Stewart? How legit is he when it comes to his version of JKD?
For the purposes of this video, Mark is legit.
I have seen that Emil guy here and there on RUclips, and I've noticed that he practices the flashy stuff. He clearly has little experience hitting a moving target, let alone a fighting one.
DK Yoo I believe stopped saying he's a JKD guy a bit ago, but still shows off the party tricks. Also, watch his feet, he has no concept of rooting to the ground when striking. If he hit an actual fighter, his punch would push himself backwards because he has no idea how to leave the impact into the target, let alone, how to push off the ground and into your target.
When it comes to JKD, if it's concepts, go the other way, if original, they better have a lineage with Dan Inosanto's name on it!
It's never about style but allways about people
DK YOO was to be like Bruce Lee and got beat alot by Pacquiao! And many think they know JKD when a FEW teachers really know it!
That exhibition bout between them was silly. Manny got a fat check to go in and play with DK. I do agree with you on only a few actually know JKD. At least to a high level. Mots know beginner or maybe intermediate levels but post it as "advanced". I'll be getting into some of the actual JKD people in future videos.
Master Wong does not claim to teach JKD. He has developed his own system called KT3 based on Wing Chun that incorporates much more ground defense objectives than traditional Kung Fu styles and he emphasizes awareness and improvisation.
Can’t believe I’m saying this, but go to his channel. Wow! A JKD playlist. And wait, the video I used says JKD!
Surprised a fanboy like you didn’t see that! 🤔
@@evolutionJKDWas the 'fanboy' comment necessary. Is that what your students are viewed as? Ive been a student of his for nearly 6 years and I've never heard him say such a thing but I will check.
@@evolutionJKDI've been one of his students for 6 years. I'm not a fanboy. I've never heard him say that he was teaching JKD in the 6 years that I've been a student but I found several videos from 14 years ago.
I'm really curious about you now! 6 years? Are you taking classes from him in person or is it through his online program? Where are the videos of you moving? Have you actually applied this skill against someone? Do you know of one person that he actually trained under? Does he talk that way all the time? I mean, is he in character all the time or just for the videos?
@@evolutionJKDI'm an online student and I'm preparing for certification. I don't make videos. I don't personally know anyone studying from Master Wong. I've never met Master Wong and have only communicated with him electronically.
I earned a BB in Sil Lum Quan Gung Fu in 1978. My last real street fight occurred in a bar fight when I was in the Navy in 1989. Three guys who don't look like me thought that I should not be dancing with a woman who also didn't look like me. I prevailed without a scratch. But I didn't know Wing Chun at the time.
I chose Master Wong specifically because of his teaching style. I'm quite confident in what I have learned and men my age don't fight for fun.
I understand and thanks
Emil martirossian is a hall of famer in jkd he's trained with people who use to train with Bruce Lee. 💯
I trained with Jerry Poteet for 6 years. Then I became his student for another 4 years. I've been fortunate to be the student of several other martial artists in my 35 year career.
There's a HUGE difference between "training with" someone and being the student.
I'm saying his actual training in and understanding of JKD are very limited. He has, however, been an "influencer" for a very long time.
He's great...He's my guy
Emil Martirosian is the real deal
Sorry, but he's about as real as a Miss Bruce Lee or a Pinay Angel named Sasha.
There is no JKD in professional fighting. Let that sink in.
I’d say that elements found in JKD are often found in sport. I’ve seen it many times.
There is a lot of “JKD” out there that is pretty low level or just not teaching the elements that I was taught.
I’d say the best example found is the ground and pound. When done well, it’s basically straight blast.
@@evolutionJKDThose elements are found in ancient pankration, traditional jiu jitsu, sambo and combat savate.
Jkd is not for sport its for real life!
I used to do JKD under Master Wong when I was first starting out in JKD, but later on went to other sources that I felt were better since they had a actual lineage to Bruce Lee. I still train in his Wing Chun because I found it practical but have modified it a bit to make it better work for me.
He doesn’t tell anyone who even taught him wing chun. Seems a bit of a fraud in some ways. But then he obviously does know some things
It's not who the instructors master is, it's how well the instructor learned and teaches the knowledge. Majority what bruce lee learned was from books.
Not quite. Yes, how well the student learned is important, but the instructor was once a student once too. So the instructor is important. You at least have to start with a possibility of learning. That's lineage.
That whole JKD is learned from books thing or it's just a philosophy is garbage. Bruce, like all martial artists, explored information from multiple sources. Books being a major source in his lifetime (no RUclips!), he drew new perspective from an extensive library. He also trained. That means actually working the movements and actually testing them against people who could challenge those movements. Kind of the whole reason he created Jeet Kune Do. It was to change his method of training, his cultivation, so that he could perform better.
I think Master Wong is a Tai Chi guy that self taught himself WC and JKD.
You forgot the Bruce also loved the Ideal of and implies fencing into martial arts. He read that from a book how to research proper form. Like most of his fitness came from fitness influencers. Mr Olympia was big when he came over to the United States and seen Arnold Schwarzenegger. Lou ferrigno and others. Wing Chun has been changed since the 1500s the original art is almost lost. Cuz it was performed by rebels who practiced on boats which is why they stand the way they do. You shouldn't critique while being seeded you should have a bag next to you or a wooden dummy that way you could show proper form an application on who you're critiquing. The whole point of martial arts is to be like water and to control the momentum of the battle. That is if you're applying it to real world scenario like military street fight or life or death situations. If you're using it for fitness or just to better your mind more stress relief what are all good applications. Then I suggest you worry about where their teacher came from if you're looking into the heritage in the background of the martial arts. But that's the one thing that Bruce Lee had a problem with when he was in China. Is who taught who and what martial arts were better and where the heritage came from and whose bloodline it was from and who was Superior. He took most of the wasted movement out of the martial arts and tried to apply his own martial arts with no wasted movement where you flowed and intercepted rather than reacted. Bless both of you guys and I appreciate your critiques in the different influencers who are clearly misrepresenting self-defense not just JKD as a whole
Do what about Christophe clugston who trained under mike sanlin , he made a lot of combat jkd back I the early days
I wouldn't put him in the "influencer" category. He's trained and legit. I can't speak to anything else. I don't know how he moves or what he teaches very well. People who are legit and share their knowledge, to me anyway, are instructors. They are judged differently. I'd never put him in the same category as the guys I presented in the video.
The Emil guy always does the same stuff and he’s very stiff with his kicks. A lot of power but that’s it
master wong is legit.
kind of hilarious actually to see supposed JKD guys talk about lineages and what is proper, when the entire philosophy about JKD is to use anything thats useful and throw away what isn't useful, didn't he create JKD to avoid being tied up by forms and lineages and these kinds of structures?
I literally just did a video on that particular saying.
ruclips.net/video/elJDVXFqU78/видео.htmlsi=fuTx6jou0rEUHass
I am curious as to what you trained.
Wheres Dan Lok?
Can I ask? How good is Octabio Quintero in real? Have you encounter him?
I do know Tav! While we haven't seen each other in quite a while, we did move and train together numerous times back in LA with Sifu Jerry. He's really good!
We move differently, but that's fine and part of the joy of moving with another person. You get a different perspective.
@@evolutionJKD Thank you very much for replying me question, thank you, I really appreciate that. I really like Octavio Quintero. It is because of him I improve my skill in fighting and understand how to win. Thank you.
thought a lot about Master Wong, he is a good talker but I have alot of question about him. what is he master of? What is he's linage? He talk alot of Wing chun but don't know if I can take him serious when he called him self master but never speak where he get his knowledge from.
When he first came on the scene, I thought he was hilarious! I thought he was posting up joke videos, but then people started taking him seriously. 🤷🏼♂️
A friend of my is a voice and diction expert and I asked him about the accent. He said it was made up.
I think it was just a character that went in a different direction and the guy followed the $$.
His movements are all bluster and performance.
@@evolutionJKD is Sad :/ he is kung fu version of Frank Dux. Why is people like this drawn to martial arts ? Money? Fame? I'm a far away from a master have train little wing chun and now kyokushin but at least I can track the linage!
AS THEY ALWAYS SAY IF YOU CAN DO IT BETTER THEN SHOW US DONT JUST TELL US,,?
Sure, watch our other content
Hey thanks guys!
4:33 I do have to say. Master Wong was just covering the guys hand with a FOOK SAO and went right in with a BUI GEE from the contact point. That’s pretty damn expert to me. I’ve always been friendly with him till now but.. I didn’t realize he was suspect as well.. I have seen him teach some strange wing chun methods. But I have to respect each and every teacher according to Linda Lee so.. I don’t judge or try not too. But Master Wong huh? Hmm? I’m gonna look into that one a bit.
If you are lucky enough only then you will be honored to learn from Master Emil martirossian one of the best jkd players on our planet.
So he’s better than Jerry Poteet, you think?
Wow! I guess those years of training with that guy were a waste.
Probably the same is true for all of the other people I trained with. And let’s forget about my own experience working security in LA.
There’s no way I could possibly have an expert opinion.
Thank you so much complete stranger!!
I've followed Emil a lot. He uses a lot of Wing Chun as did Bruce.
You've followed an "influencer". I'd recommend that you train with someone personally. JKD, Wing Chun, Karate, whatever. Just get into a class with a real person who has knowledge and skill and that wants to share with others.
3:24 is like a bad execution of parry and counter jab.
Totally agree.
4:51 agreed. In him having a secret teacher ..
Nice video, but why are all the Bruce Lee clips backwards (reversed) 🤔
No clips of Bruce Lee in this one but if you’re talking about the logo on our shirts, yeah it was a camera setting! We fixed it so that is avoided in the future! 🤣🤪
Ever hear of sifu Duwayne Keller? He taught in crystal river Florida. He's been retired a while now. Had multiple black belts from Bruce Lee's top students, including Lamar Davis.
I would like to hear what the instructors that are getting critiqued would have to say about this video.
why don't you share it with them :)
What you think about sifu Hiro Watanabe, original jkd! He from Ted Wong private student
Put a link to a video of him that you like in the reply.
@@evolutionJKD ruclips.net/user/JeetKuneDoJapan
OK, so I looked at a few of his videos, more recent ones from seminars. It looks like movie fighting to me.
He's really telegraphic. I'm not a big fan of his bio mechanics either, because he is really unstable at the end of his attacks. It's pretty flashy and would look great in a movie. The feeds his partners gave were not aggressive in any way.
It's great if you have perfect timing and can knock out every opponent with just one hit. The reality is that sometimes you just miss, whether by intention or happenstance. Sometimes (often) your one attack isn't enough. He always looked unprepared to continue attacking should he miss with the prepared attack, the hit not be enough, or the opponent moved aggressively in a manner he couldn't predict.
I’ve never trained in JKD. As for the choreographed things I think if martial artists look at it more in the application of a concept versus it being choreographed, it can be respected. Sure the guy kicking the bystander with a pad is irresponsible. Not all martial artists should be teachers. As a question to everyone, has any had a chance to attend one of these “influencers” seminars? If so, what were your take-always.
Muito importante o que foi dito..JKD é simples, não tem firulas e complicações, o que cada pessoa tem que ter é uma conciencia marcial de eficiencia e realidade, existem muitas viagens imaginarias no mundo marcial..Chegou o tempo de se pensar nisto e não viver de utopias e fantasias..Na rua a realidade é bem outra e é por isso que vamos a academia treinar e aprender , para Auto defesa e menos competiçõe e titulos isso não não salva a vida nas ruas em um campo realistico de combate.
I had to translate. Comment above says: What has been said is very important..JKD is simple, it has no frills and complications, what each person has to have is a martial awareness of efficiency and reality, there are many imaginary journeys in the martial world..The time has come to think about it and not live on utopias and fantasies. On the street reality is quite different and that's why we go to the academy to train and learn, for self defense and less competition and titles that doesn't save life on the streets in a realistic field of combat .
Jerry Poteet, Fran Poteet, Dan Inosanto, Paul Vunak .. there’s a few good ones.. Sifu ludlow as well of course
SIFU FRANCIS FONG .
I haven't actually seen Francis Fong ever demonstrate JKD. His version of Wing Chun, yes. JKD? No. Would love to see it, if you have video.
@@evolutionJKD i stand corrected... you're right . he only practices wing chun kung fu .
@@evolutionJKD he has a RUclips here. He taught INOSANTO and his protege KEVIN LEE. They do some nice stuff. Francis Fong academy it’s called. ☺️💯🙏I personally think his wing chun looks a lot like jkd trapping.
@JKDVIPER I would suggest that most of the Jeet Kune Do people out there you see are actually doing Wing Chun trapping. It might be fun to move with Sifu Fong to feel the differences. Kevin seems like a friendly guy. He's just really young and unpolished still. Like me 15-20 years ago. Just my opinion. I've never met either of them. I'd suggest either of them over the guys in this video though!
They may have 2 years of JKD training but they're not JKD instructors.
Master Wong teach you fighting skill but also knowledge about fighting methods. . .I dont think He is kidding
And that’s the difference. I’m an expert. 🤷🏼♂️
Emil was my favorite, hes an philosopher, been experiencing with trapping like Wing Chun, Silat, Taekwondo, hes just my favorite.
Wondering if you watched the video. 🤔
I've had the displeasure of training with some of Emil's students over the years and none of them impressed me in terms of technique. One has since become a typical, mediocre cyber bully whole spends his time trash talking more accomplished martial artists and calls himself Black Rhino. Emil himself has no certification nor credentials to teach JKD, and so evidence would suggest Emil is a fraud and a fake JKD instructor.
A lot of people ran into that idiot on the web. I'm no exception. Pretty sure he has some mental issues.
3:06 cuz it’s all about him looking cool with the NAO TEK
You guys are bullies that just make assumptions based on 1 video
The others aren’t the best. Master wong doesn’t claim to be JKD he’s wing chun more
DK Yoo - good body mechanics but not a fighter
The rest are not too good
I personally know Emil he’s a 40 year veteran and has a very close relationship with Bruce lee family
He’s trained with Dan inosanto and Taky kimura
He’s genuinely a good guy
You guys can have a voice and opinion that’s fine
I even discussed with Emil himself that his videos could be improved his ideas aren’t always the best. BUT he is a good man
He’s trained with the best of the best
He’s friends with the City of Brighton and Hove ABC boxing gym - feel free to look it up if you want confirmation
It’s home to Chris Eubank
But honestly I know you are going with the trend of Putting others down to gain more views ….
That’s all I got to say
Good luck 🤞
Sorry you had to hear news that someone you like isn't all that you thought they were. Or what they presented themselves to be.
There's a difference between an influencer and an instructor.
I would wager that I've received more JKD training in a week than Emil has in his whole life, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say a month. That's not including any of my other training or experience over the last 35 years.
If you put a critical eye to both of us, you'll see there is a huge difference.
And maybe it's just that you, and others, haven't been exposed to higher level people yet.
Where was master woñgs WC he's a joke he's a nice guy everyone's likes him.he knows people how does that help when your getting belted he's 'no master and shouldn't impersonate one
You stated they were like punching bags? But don’t we also use punching bag speed bags for training lol
I talked to master wong about his jeet kune do background years ago. He says jeet kune do is not as style with specifik techniques, but a concept.
Of course he did..... because he's an expert and trained in JKD in a direct lineage.
This isn't rocket science. Bruce didn't die that long ago. JKD isn't that old. If you can't trace your lineage back to Bruce Lee, then youi're a fraud. That whole "it's a concept, do whatever you want" thing is something made up by fakes and frauds to perpetuate themselves, because they don't have any authentic movement or insight.
"Master Wong" is a fake.
Best teacher is your self cause if u become a sifu first of all you didn't like or you like a student good or bad cause you didn't know like Bruce Lee said imnot teaching u ill help u to express yourself that who you really are for me your fighting presentation was good and clearly cause if u demonstrate a jkd ofcourse you didn't hurt each other I read ther negative comments about jkd you demonstrate they say wasn't good enough and a lot but real talk to all people who said negative comment why don't you try to sparring them in real fight and show what you've got hope u help us or anyone to improve and to learn jkd from u guys keep up the god work
Why would I possibly waste my time bullying these people?
Also, do you think they would ever allow themselves to come to someone like me and ask to be taught properly? To be challenged by someone who actually has a skill? I don't. They have their little make believe worlds and want nothing to do with actually growing or learning. My intent is to caution others, who do want to legitimately learn and grow, to stay away from them.
Lastly....punctuation. Please.
@@evolutionJKD I know what you did sir and also I'll understand what you mean about the philosophy of martial arts and u as a martial artist a master and you'll right because even me I didn't intended to bully any one instead ill make my own path mt own way self respect self discipline that's all I have to do but others have a bad comment about to u but for me you teach us not only in personally but using video in RUclips and I'd learn something and is that is understand what your master teach cause no master teach u to become bad instead to be a good student of him hope you can do more video about the evolution of jeet kune do cause Bruce Lee is my idol and I have a high respect for him also to you sir hope every one understand what you teach hope they learn
@@darkerthanblack5475 again with the lack of punctuation.
I would love to see y'all spar with Master Wong Master one is a professional if you don't believe me please link up with him
That would have to be him coming to me type of thing. I don't feel the need to spend money or time trying to prove myself to him. Or really anyone. Just hoping to share some martial knowledge.
Master wong is a nice guy.. and he’s very knowledgeable.. but I’ve seen some real mistakes with him as well.. not to mention, he’s another one who isn’t interested in anybody else’s jkd but only his own..
Is the second guy from Africa? He gets really angry if you contradict him?
He's from the UK, but he has a guy in Africa who thinks very highly of himself. #norhinos
@@evolutionJKD ok yeh they even look alike 😂thanks
@@sifpaulfernandezthewingchundao That guy from Africa has unresolved childhood attachment trauma
Joel what do you think about Sifu Thomas?
Thomas who?
Thomas Marx?
Oh, that guy! Cringe!! He's low level.
Like a lot of the younger guys, he should still be in class learning something instead of making videos and pretending he knows something.
What are your lineages?
I'm a full instructor under Jerry Poteet, but I've also trained with several people from the Inasanto camp.
And a host of other great instructors in various other martial arts.
Ian has some previous training as well, but he is an instructor under me with over a decade of training.
@@evolutionJKD oh ok, I train under Sifu Tim Tackett and Sifu Jeremy Lynch of the Wednesday night group. And I agree with you guys that those instructors make us look bad.
Sugar ray leonard sparring as Bruce Lee is Fantastic
Hi friend s , Im jkd instructor under Felipe Mercado, Tommy carruther and diferentes seminar s with Ted, Wong, Chris Kent, Taky limita, Dan, Richard Bustillo etc .
I totally agree with you, people like that discredit the real jkd
Good video.👌
Thank you 👍
There’s only one JKD master that I would trust the most and that is TOMMY CARRUTHERS.
Finding an instructor is a personal choice. If you like what and how Tommy teaches, then great!
Dan insansto
A good measure of how good an instructor in JKD or ANY martial art for that matter is how good his students are. Often times in demos the instructor will have a student perform a single attack then freeze and then the instructor will blitz the feeder with quick strikes to show how fast and powerful he is-and while it might be impressive to the spectator , not so much for the combat athlete.
Does DK Yoo claim to be JKD? I thought he was Systema or something like that. Either way, his impressive demos didn’t translate at all to his boxing ability, at least not in the Bradley Scott fight. His boxing skill wasn’t even at the amateur level-maybe he got better once he trained under an actual boxing coach/team
He became well know for a viral video of him being very flashy. And he listed off several martial arts. Systema and JKD among them.
I personally doubt that DK Yoo has had any serious training in Jeet Kune Do. However, there indeed are many subpar JKD teachers out there, so it is possible that he studied under one or more of them. For what it's worth, DK Yoo is considered a joke in the Jeet Kune Do community in Korea. One of the top Korean JKD fighters, Ha Chul, who operates the HaSaBu channel on YT, dismissed outright Yoo's fighting ability when a commenter brought him up in conversation. I believe this was a few months before Yoo's infamous boxing match against Bradley Scott.
If you want to see authentic, high-level Jeet Kune Do skill and instruction (including lots of sparring), I recommend searching for the Jason Lee and Ha Chul (HaSaBu) channels. Both are elite 3rd generation JKD stylists under Patrick Chan, who has a Ted Wong lineage.
Um......why would you leave the page of a 2nd generation guy to go see a couple of 3rd generation people?
If DK Yoo trained under one of the Korean guys, any of them, then it was subpar. It's all movie posing stuff from those guys.
The Korean "JKD" guys are just Tae Kwon Do guys pretending to be Bruce Lee. It's all stage combat with poses and hands down and no real pressure from any of them.
Which is pretty bad if those guys are dissing DK, because they can't fight either.
They look flashy and cool, but there are better stage fighting people out there.
@@evolutionJKD I would have to respectfully disagree. Jason Lee and Ha Chul are legitimate Jeet Kune Do instructors under the Ted Wong lineage. They are not Tae Kwon Do stylists... I'm not sure why you would assume that they are. They are also among the most capable fighters in the broader JKD community. Both have proven this time and again through actual sparring, including against professional MMA and kickboxing fighters. Search the Coach Yang channel for the sparring session between Jason Lee and the UFC fighter Kyung Ho Kang of Busan Team MAD. It's light sparring, but Jason easily hits and intercepts Kang, whereas Kang is having difficulty making any clean contact.
The way Jason Lee and Ha Chul move -- the "fencing" style, which emphasizes footwork, speed and power -- is how Ted Wong taught their teacher Patrick Chan to move. It's the kind of agile, cat-like mobility that Bruce worked on with Ted in their public and private martial art sessions, and which Ted dutifully passed on to his own Jeet Kune Do students.
Why don't you invite Jason and Ha Chul to do a podcast with you? You could also extend a friendly invitation to some guys from the JKD Concepts and Non-Classical Gung Fu branches, and also from Wing Chun. I'm sure that would be very interesting to your viewers. I would certainly tune in to watch where you and your guests converge and differ in opinion and why.
Well....It's my channel and I'm kind of an expert. I don't hold any of those guys in high regard. Ted has never impressed me, so how would anyone of his lineage impress me? Let alone a couple of third generation guys.
There's a reason I'm putting information out there now. Too many people out there sharing versions of Jeet Kune Do that wouldn't hold up in a bar fight let alone against a skilled martial artist.
Bob...there isn't anyone in Korea representing Jeet Kune Do. Unless, you think JKD is stage fighting. Which a lot of people seem to think. Especially from the Ted Wong lineage.
I agree 100%
I learned JKD under Wong Jack Man ..)))))😁😁
Hit the nail on the head .. Hes probably been to an overpriced weekend seminar to learn but in there defence there are two a year so 👍 heard some people refer to it as Geek kune do. Plus alot of these people including the ones i trained with never ever seem in good shape physically. Just my opinion
Thankyou🙏
You’re welcome 😊
Look at Bruce's sources why he trian the way he did the realities of armed combat and the seriousness that's why I take these videos with a grian of salt good breakdown
I thought master wong was a WC guy, not a Jkd guy.
Not really either. He promoted JKD Body Weapon bullshit for a bit. He's a performer.
Chris Hauter, Matt Thornton, Stephen Whittier, Adam and Rory Singer, Paul Sharp..also Erik Paulson..
BEST JKD instructors in USA..even if they call their art "MMA"
Real best JKD instructors. Lamar Davis. Octavio Quintero and Tommy Carruthers. Only because they learned directly from 5 of Bruce Lee's original students who trained with Bruce and learned JKD direct from the source
Hmmm....
Lamar is legit, but I have a few issues with his approach. Tav (Ocatavio Quintero) is legit. I've worked with Tav and had a lot of fun moving with him. You'd do well by working with him. Tommy is legit but I have even more issues with him than I do Lamar. It's all of his posing. There are others out there (other than me) who are solid and legit and great at teaching.
Maybe I'll do a video on who to train with!
How do you or did you know any of these guys were sparring with "new" students? Just curious.
Great question!
They may not have been "new" students actually. Beginner or inexperienced might be better to describe them. I'm not sure if I do call any of the people in the video who are sparring new or not. I think we are talking about viewers who are new to martial arts. This is a warning video to them. Experienced martial artists would never train with these guys.
Looking at your channel (nice stuff BTW!), maybe think of someone holding their instrument. You very likely would be able to tell in moments if they were experienced and skilled with playing that instrument. Pretty sure you could watch a video of me playing the saxophone and tell right away that I don't know how to play it. Even without sound! It's the same for us.
Let me know if that was what you meant and if the answer helped!
good video. with any trendy combat system there will almost ALWAYS be the egotistical famewhores who want to absorb some of Bruce Lee's fame. sadly anti-social media fosters that thirst. there's already some great channels that offers legit JKD so not even sure why these guys are pretend teaching nothing its pretty sad actually.
I think it’s that people can’t actually see the movements. Or don’t understand movement well enough to discern good from bad. I had someone ask me if I could tell just by looking. I said yes. It’s my job. I do it every day. But most people don’t they see something that is flashy like in the movies and just assume that it’s good.
Check out the comments on this video!! There’s a lot of folks out there thinking these guys are legit. Yoo and Wong are admittedly quite athletic. Or at least they were.
Just trying to put something out there to help.
Giving you your 166th like. I hope we could meet in person and train me! I really like Jeet Kune Do!
Thanks for the LIKE. Appreciated. Plans are being made for seminars. Where do you live?
@@evolutionJKD
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