I was confused at first then I realized my editor put the wrong Rudy Gay photo in the background. It was supposed to serve as a look back on the trade and how poorly it’s working out so far. Not to look like he just got traded to the warriors 🤦🏽♂️
@@knowsomething9384 I’m sensing hostility rn and I’m genuinely trying to understand how it was clickbait. The John Collins trade was something I covered in the past and really loved at first. Now that it’s not going so well I made an update video. That title was actually selected from an nba or espn list that was detailing some of the most net negative trades made from the past off-season up to date. Like if I said “THIS John Collins Trade Was Pointless” I could see how it insinuates that they just traded him away, but even on the thumbnail he’s literally wearing a jazz jersey.
@@____Riley____ so what would be something that would convey my point and not be hyperbole? Do you suggest I switch the “in history” to “Of The Off-season?” Is that a more ideal fit?. Just lmk
@@wraithhoopscould of said “from the off season, of this season, or from this rebuild/ new regime, since the Rudy d Mitch trade” something that doesn’t try to convey the EPIC LEAGUE SHIFTING PROPORTIONS that “IN HISTORY” implies, recently found your channel and I like it, but clickbaity shit like that has a sour effect on an audience looking for real substance please keep it up though
Every time I make a video criticizing one of the players they perform even better going forward. I’m about to diss the entire squad so they keep this win streak going.
@@wraithhoops didn’t even know that was your strategy. I just came upon your page and I was thinking like the job was I made a good strategy by moving him to center and helping unlock the for floor spacing for the team
@@justtimes9257 lol no it’s just a running joke that comes up when I do live streams. It originally started with Jordan Clarkson back when he was starting because every time I would criticize him he would go from having three bad games to having an explosive game the next one. when it comes to John Collins, I generally saw him any more positive light than most people, but had to honestly assess the trade value and the situation at the time. That said, I love the move to put them at center because while he doesn’t provide the best rent protection, his three point shot making stresses out opposing defenses in a way that I haven’t seen in sometime. I’m definitely glad that you join the channel though.
@@wraithhoops completely understand you and plus we all Clarkson is just streaky and plus it allows Collins to be like the rebounder and round the rim and said he brings an element to that’s very much needed wity floor spacing plus is vertiale threat is important
Its going to be pretty ironic when Will Hardy plays Collins and Hendricks together and they actually mesh well on the court. Highly unlikely, sure, but imagine the dilemmas the staff will have to go through.
While yes John Collins is the worst negative in plus minus player on the Jazz and its not even close, but the trade eas for a second round pick that might not even convey and Rudy Gay... It was worth the shot to get him and also, he has been playing pretty well last few games. You can't call that the worst trade when Nets have that record in the bag when they traded for KG and Paul Pierce
Yes that was a dark time for Nets fans. Considering what was given up to obtain John Collins it’s hard to argue that it was the worst deal ever what is contract makes some people want to unfortunately
I think the issue is actually in the thumbnail. I didn’t realize my editor put Warriors Rudy Gay in the back, it was supposed to be Hawks Rudy Gay. Which would’ve made it clear that the title is a look back on his production this season and how it’s not looking better🤦🏽♂️
I just cant unsee what I saw when we played the Magic and Paolo was just BODYING him every time and Collins was TRYING too.....immedIately I was like "ohhhh nooooo this is why the Hawks gave up, isn't it?".......DAMNIT!😂. Its sorta like Sexton and his court vision where once you see it youre just like "oh crap this is what the scouts see, isnt it? Oh boy." Hes one of those guys thats only a switchable defender in theory......oh sure he can switch its just that he cant stop whoever he switches to no matter what😂 But yea I get it now. If all we want is defense and corner 3s yea we would be better off just letting Hendricks play. Or we gotta figure out how to actually use Collins as a rim runner but that requires fixing our guard problem......
Good job i appreciate you. They have been playing him at C. The Jazz have a veteran lineup and should keep it thst way until they get all their peices. I think George, Hendricks, Kessler and OA are great for the future but should find that all star talent in two more young guys that are a SG and SF. I would keep George, Hendricks and Kessler on the bench to develop this year. Trade Sexton or Horton-Tucker and a 2nd for Markelle Fultz. Start PG. Fultz SG. Clarkson SF. Lauri PF. Collins C. Kelly O. Try to compete while building. I think they need two young prospects that will be great in a SG and SF. Trade Brice and Luka with future 2nds for something. Waive all their two way guys. Jaylen Martin is 19 SF or SG and is a free agent, they should look at him. Zhaire Williams, Jordan Hawkins, Bates or AJ Griffin for Luka and Brice with picks. Or trade Collins, Lauri, Clarkson and Sexton. You can trade them for Ben Simmons, O'Neil and Cam Thomas with picks. Let Simmons sit, one bad contract. Start a rebuild
My problem with Collins is his defence, he is really bad even if he try play defence. Sometimes he dont seems even give much effort either. Jazz have another bad defender, Keyonte. They cant play both same time, better not either if they want to get stops. Keyonte is rookie and i kinda understand hes horrible defence, but he should to start show some improvement. However, Collins is veteran and he have no excuse be that bad defender. I have to disagree one thing, jazz dont need cap space for resign Lauri. Ainge think jazz have to pay too much for next contract for Lauri because he is too good, so Ainge rather try trade him instead. In that case, Collins is good to have because jazz need use 90% cap if i remeber right. I must say that there is too many rules with salary cap. Should be more simple system imo. Its very hard make tardes now because matching salaries and other rules.
I agree defensively with her issues. I think the biggest thing for the Room situation is adding further value while still using 90% of the available Space so that you don’t lose it. It’s slightly confusing and honestly while I understand why certain things were added in the most recent CBA deal I don’t love it when it gets put into practice
If u want a good pick back raptors got one of the best 2nds to give u back and players like thad and otto expiring contracts and grady and McDaniels young pieces???
@@wraithhoops Grady isn't getn minutes with us he might actually feel comfortable in Utah he's still a lottery pick to base the trade around and the Detroit 2nd this year are the 2 most valuable parts of the deal even mcDaniels could replace some Collins minutes
This comment confused me until I looked and realized that my editor put Rudy Gay in a Warriors uniform in the back as opposed to him in a Hawks jersey😭
I'd agree with you there. Even over the past 3-5 games his defensive effort has been much improved and while he's not 'good' yet I hope he continues to trend upwards on that side of the ball specifically.
@utahjazzwraithhoops I think he has pretty much reached his peak. He is just a role player, not a star player. But if Jazz can use him the right way he could be effective
You ain’t have to put some clickbait bs title bro, that’s not why we watching you, please keep it grounded & 100
I was confused at first then I realized my editor put the wrong Rudy Gay photo in the background. It was supposed to serve as a look back on the trade and how poorly it’s working out so far. Not to look like he just got traded to the warriors 🤦🏽♂️
@@wraithhoops I think he's talking about calling it the worst trade in history. Which is clickbait and doesn't help anyone watching.
@@knowsomething9384 I’m sensing hostility rn and I’m genuinely trying to understand how it was clickbait. The John Collins trade was something I covered in the past and really loved at first. Now that it’s not going so well I made an update video. That title was actually selected from an nba or espn list that was detailing some of the most net negative trades made from the past off-season up to date.
Like if I said “THIS John Collins Trade Was Pointless” I could see how it insinuates that they just traded him away, but even on the thumbnail he’s literally wearing a jazz jersey.
@@____Riley____ so what would be something that would convey my point and not be hyperbole? Do you suggest I switch the “in history” to “Of The Off-season?” Is that a more ideal fit?. Just lmk
@@wraithhoopscould of said “from the off season, of this season, or from this rebuild/ new regime, since the Rudy d Mitch trade” something that doesn’t try to convey the EPIC LEAGUE SHIFTING PROPORTIONS that “IN HISTORY” implies, recently found your channel and I like it, but clickbaity shit like that has a sour effect on an audience looking for real substance please keep it up though
For me John Collins is ok. He has been solid lately.
Yes the past few games his shot has been on and his defense hasn’t been too abysmal
well john collins move to center has been great because is allow his to play role
Every time I make a video criticizing one of the players they perform even better going forward. I’m about to diss the entire squad so they keep this win streak going.
@@wraithhoops didn’t even know that was your strategy. I just came upon your page and I was thinking like the job was I made a good strategy by moving him to center and helping unlock the for floor spacing for the team
@@justtimes9257 lol no it’s just a running joke that comes up when I do live streams. It originally started with Jordan Clarkson back when he was starting because every time I would criticize him he would go from having three bad games to having an explosive game the next one. when it comes to John Collins, I generally saw him any more positive light than most people, but had to honestly assess the trade value and the situation at the time. That said, I love the move to put them at center because while he doesn’t provide the best rent protection, his three point shot making stresses out opposing defenses in a way that I haven’t seen in sometime. I’m definitely glad that you join the channel though.
@@wraithhoops completely understand you and plus we all Clarkson is just streaky and plus it allows Collins to be like the rebounder and round the rim and said he brings an element to that’s very much needed wity floor spacing plus is vertiale threat is important
Honestly with how well we’ve developed guys like Sexton. I’d love to see what we could do with Collins over the long run
I’d agree, I don’t hate collins, I just wish his contract wasn’t so egregiously bad for his level of production
Trade sexton while the iron is hot. He’s small. Let’s get something while his value is peak
Its going to be pretty ironic when Will Hardy plays Collins and Hendricks together and they actually mesh well on the court. Highly unlikely, sure, but imagine the dilemmas the staff will have to go through.
Absolute comedy and mayhem I’d imagine
While yes John Collins is the worst negative in plus minus player on the Jazz and its not even close, but the trade eas for a second round pick that might not even convey and Rudy Gay... It was worth the shot to get him and also, he has been playing pretty well last few games. You can't call that the worst trade when Nets have that record in the bag when they traded for KG and Paul Pierce
Yes that was a dark time for Nets fans. Considering what was given up to obtain John Collins it’s hard to argue that it was the worst deal ever what is contract makes some people want to unfortunately
man, i respect you, but such a bad clickbait title,... , you can do better
I think the issue is actually in the thumbnail. I didn’t realize my editor put Warriors Rudy Gay in the back, it was supposed to be Hawks Rudy Gay. Which would’ve made it clear that the title is a look back on his production this season and how it’s not looking better🤦🏽♂️
Don’t lie in your title just for clicks. Keep it 100!
You think this title is clickbait? Multiple sports outlets have anointed it the worst and I just wanted to discuss the take
I just cant unsee what I saw when we played the Magic and Paolo was just BODYING him every time and Collins was TRYING too.....immedIately I was like "ohhhh nooooo this is why the Hawks gave up, isn't it?".......DAMNIT!😂. Its sorta like Sexton and his court vision where once you see it youre just like "oh crap this is what the scouts see, isnt it? Oh boy."
Hes one of those guys thats only a switchable defender in theory......oh sure he can switch its just that he cant stop whoever he switches to no matter what😂
But yea I get it now. If all we want is defense and corner 3s yea we would be better off just letting Hendricks play.
Or we gotta figure out how to actually use Collins as a rim runner but that requires fixing our guard problem......
Good job i appreciate you. They have been playing him at C. The Jazz have a veteran lineup and should keep it thst way until they get all their peices. I think George, Hendricks, Kessler and OA are great for the future but should find that all star talent in two more young guys that are a SG and SF. I would keep George, Hendricks and Kessler on the bench to develop this year. Trade Sexton or Horton-Tucker and a 2nd for Markelle Fultz. Start PG. Fultz SG. Clarkson SF. Lauri PF. Collins C. Kelly O. Try to compete while building. I think they need two young prospects that will be great in a SG and SF. Trade Brice and Luka with future 2nds for something. Waive all their two way guys. Jaylen Martin is 19 SF or SG and is a free agent, they should look at him. Zhaire Williams, Jordan Hawkins, Bates or AJ Griffin for Luka and Brice with picks. Or trade Collins, Lauri, Clarkson and Sexton. You can trade them for Ben Simmons, O'Neil and Cam Thomas with picks. Let Simmons sit, one bad contract. Start a rebuild
Took back your heart and no comment. Nobody knows more about basketball than me ( or a player with good insight)
Title made me think he got traded today. Scared me shitless
I apologize😭
My problem with Collins is his defence, he is really bad even if he try play defence. Sometimes he dont seems even give much effort either. Jazz have another bad defender, Keyonte. They cant play both same time, better not either if they want to get stops. Keyonte is rookie and i kinda understand hes horrible defence, but he should to start show some improvement. However, Collins is veteran and he have no excuse be that bad defender.
I have to disagree one thing, jazz dont need cap space for resign Lauri. Ainge think jazz have to pay too much for next contract for Lauri because he is too good, so Ainge rather try trade him instead. In that case, Collins is good to have because jazz need use 90% cap if i remeber right. I must say that there is too many rules with salary cap. Should be more simple system imo. Its very hard make tardes now because matching salaries and other rules.
I agree defensively with her issues. I think the biggest thing for the Room situation is adding further value while still using 90% of the available Space so that you don’t lose it. It’s slightly confusing and honestly while I understand why certain things were added in the most recent CBA deal I don’t love it when it gets put into practice
John Collins is like a another Kyle Kuzma, a guy a star upside but Role Player intangibles
If u want a good pick back raptors got one of the best 2nds to give u back and players like thad and otto expiring contracts and grady and McDaniels young pieces???
Send Collins to the raps u keep Grady McDaniels the best 2nd available and get cap space to sign ppl.
I actually don't hate the idea if I'm being honest
@@wraithhoops it's def more than jazz traded for Collins
@@ScRaMbLeS247 definitely factual right there
@@wraithhoops Grady isn't getn minutes with us he might actually feel comfortable in Utah he's still a lottery pick to base the trade around and the Detroit 2nd this year are the 2 most valuable parts of the deal even mcDaniels could replace some Collins minutes
Dallas should trade powell and Tim for him
You raise a good point, they could benefit from the addition, that bad contract would have to be matched though I’d wager
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Collins for Wiggins
Like for like sideways trade for a piece of damaged goods to another. Hard to imagine how would that help either team.
This comment confused me until I looked and realized that my editor put Rudy Gay in a Warriors uniform in the back as opposed to him in a Hawks jersey😭
It's too early to say he is a bust. He is better than Rudy Gay.
I'd agree with you there. Even over the past 3-5 games his defensive effort has been much improved and while he's not 'good' yet I hope he continues to trend upwards on that side of the ball specifically.
@utahjazzwraithhoops I think he has pretty much reached his peak. He is just a role player, not a star player. But if Jazz can use him the right way he could be effective