I don't have a problem with technology. The equipment is advancing to the level of detail that I did not think will reach. But I still keep the fundamental. The skills you have will show more with this new technology
I started DJing in 2002 and I always felt like I was part of the last generation to learn how to dj with real vinyl. The CDJs were the devil at that time for some DJs at that time but I guess since I was new to DJing I had to learn how to use both. As time and technology moved on, I've been able to adapt because I've been using each new thing as it came along. I still prefer the feel of turntables and vinyl over controller platters that dont spin but I can use whatever and still rock a crowd. It is what it is. But Jico got that work for replacement Shure needles if you really need it.
As long as the DJ can keep the dancers on the dance floor, then it shouldn't matter what is used. That is what makes a DJ. I myself use vinyl and I haven't used anything else but M44-7's on my 1200s, because of the durability and the sound quality, that only I as a musician can break apart, and interpret when to catch a beat or a certain instrument in the music. Most people that are on the dance floor don't pay attention to those details; therefore, it really doesn't matter. I learned how to listen for beat changes without a monitor behind me; so, I'm sure that I can learn to use a needle that doesn't stand up to the M44-7. Thanks for the heads up and your enlightening video.
It sounds like Rob Swift was speaking more in the sense of keeping the option of classic Dj equipment and technology. You also (Dj TLM) answered your own question to Rob Swift because you stated that "less vinyl has been produced over time" and newer artists no longer press vinyl so progressing with the music as a Dj means adapting the newer music and allowing a mesh of genres and age to make a strong stance. Either way you are on of the best DJ’s and your channel has helped me through time and Rob Swift is still one of the Legends in Dj but and you both have solid points and I look forward to seeing more. Great video
I really enjoy this video. As you are a Hip Hop DJ who respect the pioneers of your genre, I show the same respect as a House DJ. I once wrote a post directly to the Legendary Frankie Knuckles. I was upset with him because he was playing new versions of House instead of these old classics I grew up loving. He replied to my rant. I can't remember all he said, but for the most part, he explains about evolving and refuse to be stuck in the past. That change my mindset of House music forever. Now, I enjoyed listening to new Producers banging out tracks. I also love when a put a spin on the classics. It is like they are reborn. I always welcome new tech. I remember when home computers came to the market, and the laptop took over. I remember when cell phones were cool because they were portable. It took over landline phones completely. Now most smartphones are like pocket computers. I remember when CDJs came out and turntabled the purest frown on those who learned from them alone. Now some frown on those who only learn with controllers. There will always resist at first until they have no choice but to step up or get step on!
I believe that music and technology will continue to advance in future. Where there is new technology, new skills will be needed. The level of one's skills will always determine who is the real champion.
The DJ culture is always evolving... To preserve the culture, I think you need remember what came before and what is the role of the DJ... Great Video BTW....
We got to stay open-minded in these situations! I'm no big DJ or anything but I don't like when new products and new ideas get knocked immediately just because they are different from what we know. How would hip hop culture as a whole grow if we all just knock the changes when they come. The end of the shure line is a sad day, but I feel its just making room for the new. Hip Hop wasn't born through negativity, it was born and fueled by a want and need for positive change. I'ma celebrate the departing of a product that helped shaped part of a beautiful culture.
Here's some interesting facts about the M44-7.. Shure released it in the '60s as a hi-fi cartridge.. In the '70s, it became a popular broadcast cartridge because of its durability.. Then later, the DJ market adopted them.. I have Shure professional catalogs from the '70's that list the M44-7 as the "new broadcast standard." And some of my old broadcast turntable catalogs list the M44-7 as a suitable broadcast cartridge..
👍🏻 Great Video, You always bring interesting topics. I don’t worry about Sure not making anymore M44s because another company will come along and basically make a copy that will look and function just like the Sure M44. A good example is like when Technics discontinued the 1200s, after a while Pioneer came out with the PLX-1000. It is very similar to the looks, feel, and function of the Technics 1200s. So, I hope people don’t go crazy paying stupid high prices for M44s. Give it a little time.
djciscov1 I like your post and it makes me think, since Shire is dropping the M44-7 & N44-7, can Ortofon pick up a strongly similar design and to kind of pick up the slack?
theabstrakt84 really I haven't seen those honestly if I did I would have been on it but I did not know if they were as great a quality. How do you think they do? Versus the Shure?
I've used JICO needles for years.. They are built to spec and are direct replacements for the Stanton and Shures.. And JICO has a direct replacement for the M44-7.. You'll like them..
Thanks for sharing the knowledge DJ TLM having worked in the electronics industry for 25 years Shure announcement does not shock me. lately, companies have been restructuring and changing there focus on what they sell and how they sell it. As a DJ you have two choices embrace the changes or work with what you have and enjoy it. There are other products out there it's not the end of the world but the beginning of inovation.
WTF? Technology isn't cancer. Rob Swift is a legend but he's just mad because Shure made a financial decision as it pertains to their business. "Buy different needles, bruh." Rob Swift's perspective is from that of the turntable. He thinks that you aren't a "real" DJ unless you use a Technic 1200 turntable. Times change. They always do. Remember when they thought CDs would ruin DJing? Didn't happen. He's overreacting & hating on people who choose to use different equipment. "More options are better. Some people prefer controllers, some CDJs, some turntables. Get over it, do you & quit worrying about what other people are doing. Geezus!!!" You are always on point & very thoughtful, TLM. Appreciate you, bruh!
What you are saying is so true!!! With Serato taking over and controllers and cdj's being used so much, cartridges and needles are not Sure's bread and butter! even though us djs in the industry love to use the Sure M447 with Serato vinyl there cost might not be worth continuing!!!!
Jico's is the replacememt needle company name that makes the 44-7 replacement and it is cheaper ..so maybe that is also the reason that shure is stopping the production of them
I wrote to Shure Europe and general manager wrote back it was happening for the past few years that the cost of production didn't matched profit. Hopefully the guys of Jico in Japan will continue to produce the 3rd party styluses for the Shure brand cartridges....Jico A040110 Stylus is equal or better quality !!!
Shure is giving the same arguments than Technics gave years ago... The rest is history: Technics stoped making SL1200 MK2, then they said that they were very interested in vinyl again (best sound, bla, bla, bla...) and started making turntables again but... now the cheapest costs 1500 euros when a SL1200 used to cost 500. So quality, sound, respect for the customers are just words. What they all want is making (much) more money and that's all. (BTW I used to be a DJ, now I just DJ for my own, I've always been and still am a vinyl anthousiast). Thank you TLM for your videos.
I'm not a DJ so for me the sound is everything. Which cartridge sounds best after long term listening without harshness and fatigue while preserving detail and subtlety. There's lots to choose and some of the best (for the money) I've head are no longer made sadly. One of them was an old Shure M55 upgraded with a hyper elliptical stylus. It music to my ears but probably couldn't stand the rigours of DJ use.
You said it best...the equipments doesn’t matter...so there is NO LINE to draw. The new Rane 12s and Phase is the same concept as CDJs and the NS7 controller which has been out for years. DJs have been using those. It’s not really that ground breaking if you look at it like that. Next they will make a mixer with Phase software internally integrated (like Serato is now) and then what? Then 10years down the road, a company will take it to the next level and create a mixer with the hard drive inside and a touchscreen and it will take the place of a laptop
I also was shocked when I got the news of shure stopping production of the m447’s and others in that line,but then it hit me I have been seeing a fluctuation of production for a wile with there product and it was a matter of time . For the argument of technology being the blame I can’t say true to that because as a person and artist you always would be pushing you craft and technology allows for that advancement, turntables are the foundation that has paved the way for us to advance to were we are now in the industry and my take it if shure want to stop production they should sell the patents for the needles and let another manufacture take up the production.
This is unbelievable, I guess I would have to go back to putting coins back on the cartridge headshells on any other needles that I will use in the future. It was nice supporting Shure for many years!
I've used both the Concords that skipped, and the Ortolans that I connected the headshells which also skipped unless, I put a coin on the headshell. And I even had to use scotch tape to hold the coins in place as well. I've use almost every needle under the sun since 1980. From Realistic needles, which are now renamed (Shure), Audio Technica, Pickering, Stantons 500 AL, and Stanton 680 EL, and the Shure again. And I even tried the Q Bert signature Ortofons as well. As for the needles jumping, sliding and skipping, I personally like the challenges that needles brought because, they both test and bring out the DJs authentic skills. So if you know of any Ortofons that won't jump too much, please let me know. And as far as the "real" DJ thing, my take is that, DJing like everything else in this world is about expanding and branching out, not necessary progressing, or moving forward. So at the end of the day, DJing is a form of self-expression, no matter what piece of equipment that is being used, to each one's own. So here's a question, what will happen when automation takes over? Will people say that robots are fake DJs?
I would also like to add that, if one is using controllers, then that would be the reason that they're not DJs, because they would fall in the producer category.
love wat you said i esteem Rob Swift to highest ... but im not from his era i learned my teqniques from him but i also took your advice and learned on wat i could afford ddj sb2 ..and 100 used computer.few years back... now im a full blown turntablist still learning but the process and journey has been a blessing not the equipment 🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤🔥🔥🔥🔥🎧🎧🎧
@@djTLMtv I also bought this ones my fellow dj.they are made in 🇨🇴. I paid 19dls shipped to Los angeles.il give u the link.and try them out.i learned alot from u bro.Specially about using the sl1 vanilla control.I find them just as good as sersto dj pro which I have as well.the only thing I cannot get my dicers.to work.any tips?help?
I hope and I ask ,,, why can’t an aftermarket company make the stylus insert for the actual m44-7?? So that if we have the real m44-7 cartridge we can just pop in a aftermarket stylus. Someone in our DJ world please put up the money to produce a replacement stylus for the m44-7. In 29 years of Dj’in all types to music. Specializing in turntablism the m44-7 is the most valuable tool I’ve ever used on jobs. I like ortofons too (especially the intergraded nightclub version for blending House, techno, trance, Freestyle,etc. But as far as hip hop and turntablism goes. (Which is my favorite) 90s hip hop on my actual vinyl (with the old “pops” coming from my old worn down vinyl) the M44-7 is the absolute cleanest needle that I ever used. And I came from Stanton when m44-7 cane around. I love them they hold a groove in a record like a AWD Mercedes-Benz AMG car holds the road. I’m sorry for my ramble guys but I’m worried because I refuse to buy a controller or Rane 12. The day I hang up my tech 12s is the day I hang up me DJ career. Serato with vinyl is the most technology that I’m looking for as far as assisting me Dj’in. Why not put all this new technology into making cleaner amps, speakers , and mixers. (Ok I take back mixers. I love my 62 mixer) lol. Keep up the great videos.
We're still okay.. Cartridges last forever.. As for needles, look at JICO for outstanding replacements.. JICO has made replacement needles built to spec and strict standards for years, including needles for Stanton and Shure.. They're excellent.. For you M44-7 lovers, JICO has a direct replacement needle.. Try it; you'll like it..
Vinyl is better to manipulate. CD sounds better. MP3s are more convenient. I want all 3 so I use DVS with AIFF files. Gotta adapt with the times and make it happen.
24-bit AIFF files are way better than MP3. However, you need a 24-bit output mixer like the DJM-900 NXS2 or a completely analog mixer to make the most of the AIFF file. I'd recommend upgrading the interconnectors/RCA wires from the mixer to the CDJ-2000 NXS2 also.
As a DJ, I STILL get hate for using a controller. I've been told to "put away my Fischer Price Toy" and "don't use the C word around me" at venues multiple times. And whats so BS about it is they use serato just like me, but because their bigass fancy MIDI controller doesn't light up and needs parts to be replaced over time it automatocally makes me the inferior one. And yeah, i said it. If you use a DVS with any deck, IT BECOMES A BIGASS FANCY MIDI CONTROLLER. just cause yours has an almost obsolete disc on top doesn't mean you get to treat me like garbage because mine doesn't. #NoMoreControllerHate
facts. Vinyl looks like it is coming back, but new ppl that get into the record game tap out and dont last long. Plenty of new vinyl heads also dont buy on the regular, and only buy records a few times a year LOL (RSD or monthly record subscriptions) i like the new technology. i'm not going to the beach with a portable turntable and play a Wu-Tang Clan LP
djTLMtv agree to disagree then. I have turntables, but I am getting the Rane 12s to replace them. I will not need to buy 44-7s anymore. Multiply that by thousands of DJs like me that now has a legit digital turntable that plays digital music - not an analog player playing digital music - and that is a ton of 44-7s that aren’t being bought anymore.
Brandon Unger i dont dj with vinyl. just sample to make beats, or rip tunes to dj. even though i dont scratch, i still need to be able to backcue/backspin when sampling
New technologie make life easier and push the bondaries. If it's easier do to something, real DJ/artist will go further to stand out and they will find new limitation, and tech companie will creater more innovative product to push those bondaries further again. And that's how music evolve, from the introduction of electricity to the digital era. If old timer don't think it's a part of the culture they use to know, then it became something else. For now hip hop has always been an open mind culture, looking forward on technologie and innovation, and that's why trap, turntablism or anything that doesn't sound like 80s hip hop is still part of this culture. Tech is not meant to destroy what has been done, it's here to push it further, and from what I see, there is more and more turntablist (and we can add "controlerist" if that's a thing), and more and more innovative things. At some point it become hard to innovate because the base is already there, and that's how technologie help. Rob Swift was an innovator at his time, but he choose to put himself behind some imaginative bondaries, probably because of some nostalgy or because he didn't compete anymore so he doesn't feel the need to stay up to date. He still a legend for me and lot of DJ (and beyond that), but he's kind of the DJ Sneak of hip hop now, and doesn't seems to see the big picture and believe in youth anymore :/ As long as Shure doesn't stop the production of SM58, we don't have to pannic :)
I started in 89 DJ I love the turntable still n got my collections of real vinyl record I like serato too I strarde whit Gemini turntable n then whit 1800 1200 vestax n Pioneer turntable. I tried the CD DJ Pioneer CD DJ when they came out but did not like it is cool for mixing house music.
It's killing me to know....you say you live in the Netherlands, but you have an "east coast" accent and you look like you're Latino...can someone let me know? Also, yes I was too disappointed when I heard the news about Shure needles demise. I always loved the way ortofons looked, but they we're too expensive for my budget. Back in the early 2000's I started with "m-audio TORQ" as my DVS, I liked the fact that I didn't have to carry loads of crates to parties. Then I upgraded to serato SL3, but I somehow keep coming back to vinyl.
It’s just the natural progression. As tech advances, the old tech loses its usefulness. You’ll see that ANYWHERE. No one uses VCRs anymore. No one uses 8 track players. No one uses those big ass home recorder cameras where you had to pop in a VCR to record. Tech advances anywhere tech exists, and leaves the old tech in the dust. It’s inevitable, so I think Rob is wrong to blame the djs for the death of shure. I hope phase doesn’t bring about the end of all needles because I like them but I’ll be the first to admit they can be annoying at times. I did purchase my phase “cartiridges” as I see the advantage they can bring (no skipping, no replacing, no need to clean)
I had to stop at about the 20 minute mark. I'm a little disappointed with Rob Swift's opinion. As one of the legendary DJs I admire, it was disheartening to hear him take a dig at tech. The reality, for me, is new tech has always advanced the culture by allowing for more creativity. To me, the job of a DJ is to share the way you hear and feel tracks and one track can lead you to another track, that is about it at its core. Now, as the skill level grows, creativity and individual expression come into play. As a DJ, one of my ultimate highs come from when I can play what I want to play, how I want to play it and the crowd is feeling it like I feel it. Tech just allows me to add a creative element that I would not have been able to prior to it's introduction.
technology isnt the blame i feel the art of turntables-em and the lack of djs who feel into being leaders are slacking ... producers are now the djs and turntablies that were great haven't passed on what they know kinda forcing the new generation to follow what they see in festivals n clubs. js the new generation isnt going to looking up the great djs unless we educate them and tell them are struggles. i feel like the whole turntables culture has been put on the back burner for producers to take over and only small groups in different citys like the thr3estyles and you tlm and also a few other sources like rob swift are keeping it alive. question why dont we see more turntables-em at festivals and at clubs? ... most of the time i dont see any turntables i just see cdjs on the tables with them set on cdj mode not even on vinyl mode or controllers ... you can name the handful of festival and club djs who use turntables there the ones keeping the art form alive.
I agree. A lot of the “older” DJs had (and have) a really negative attitude towards new DJs and in stead of sharing their knowledge they point fingers and try to lecture them. That never works
Respect to the pioneer DJs out there! However, technology & DJing go hand & hand! There was DJing before the Technics Sl-1200 mk2. Vinyl was just the medium of the time. We live in a capitalist world..... Money will ALWAYS be an issue!
Losing shure will hurt the dj ..but losing needles period will hurt the dj ..I love and enjoy all the new tech but I also dislike the fact that dj's nowadays are losing the real fundamentals of dj'ing ..they are losing those long nights and years of practice it took to gain the hand control and the coordination that came with it..so losing shure ..it will be missed by a true dj but losing needles in general will hurt the game ..in my opinion...now dont get me wrong I love the new advances in dj'ing like serato but I draw the line pretty much there because even with the serato you still can use the needle ..I'm really not into the whole controller thing with the jog wheels those are not for me ..so ill keep my 44-7 and ill buy the replacement needles from a off brand because the replacement needle is still out there and will continue to be im sure ..I can't remember the off brand name right now I believe its jinco or something along the lines of that name that makes a replacement needle for cheap but it is still a good needle djcity did a review on them ans mojax's said they are good needles ..so there you have it..keep your cartridge and buy the off brand and your m 44-7 will continue to live and thrive in the dj game ...
Yeah, but that’s the thing; needles aren’t going anywhere yet. People act like the 44-7 was “the only” needle ;) I can understand peeps don’t want to stop using their favorite needle, but (like you said) with the third party replacement you can still use the 44-7 👍🏽👍🏽
where there's a positive there's a negative and vice a versa for old school DJs like myself it's about Talent I believe for me at least the cancer is when technology allows people that are not talented to become DJs they see these producers at these festivals playing their music which is pre-recorded and they're not DJing live people see that and want to become that and Technology allows them to do that.. so what happens the technology is what's really doing the DJing that's why in 2018 you have people that can't beat match by ear they have to have the Serato screen and at that you see them where they're not even using their headphones they're relying on the technology and if your relying on technology more than your own ability that sucks... okay like you TLM you have the talent to beat match by ear you know how to scratch you know how to DJ and Technology does help people that have talent to DJ to really ripshit up.. it's like the song said what is a DJ if he can't scratch what is an MC if he can't rap.. but now the cancer is a situation to where oh I don't scratch I'm not that kind of a DJ and that's the unfortunate part of it all.. a DJ should be able to scratch... a DJ should be able to beat match by ear... a DJ should be able to DJ on his own ability so in conclusion the cancer is that technology has lowered the standards of what it is to call yourself a DJ......
if you are a virtuoso/turntablist or you want to be one then you need the right instruments and not a approximation. i dont care if mobile dj use digital or techo djs use digital. they can use what ever they want. but as a turntablist you need the real deal. if you look at the hardcore scratchers they all use real vinyl no timecode. and i mean not the baby scratchers or the orbit guys.I mean the scratches for which you need a great hand control. why qbert prefers real vinyle for all those years? and here one analogy: a pianist(not a keyboard player), that is playing classical music, will always prefers a steinway piano over a midi keyboard. peac out and much respect to the last mohican
why are drummers prefer real drums instead of digital drum kit? because sense of touch and sense of hearing are the least sluggish. yes timecode is used but they prefer to practices/learn scratches on real vinyl and you need for timecode a needles anyway. analog in this context is be better.
I don't have a problem with technology. The equipment is advancing to the level of detail that I did not think will reach. But I still keep the fundamental. The skills you have will show more with this new technology
I started DJing in 2002 and I always felt like I was part of the last generation to learn how to dj with real vinyl. The CDJs were the devil at that time for some DJs at that time but I guess since I was new to DJing I had to learn how to use both. As time and technology moved on, I've been able to adapt because I've been using each new thing as it came along. I still prefer the feel of turntables and vinyl over controller platters that dont spin but I can use whatever and still rock a crowd. It is what it is. But Jico got that work for replacement Shure needles if you really need it.
As long as the DJ can keep the dancers on the dance floor, then it shouldn't matter what is used. That is what makes a DJ. I myself use vinyl and I haven't used anything else but M44-7's on my 1200s, because of the durability and the sound quality, that only I as a musician can break apart, and interpret when to catch a beat or a certain instrument in the music. Most people that are on the dance floor don't pay attention to those details; therefore, it really doesn't matter. I learned how to listen for beat changes without a monitor behind me; so, I'm sure that I can learn to use a needle that doesn't stand up to the M44-7. Thanks for the heads up and your enlightening video.
It sounds like Rob Swift was speaking more in the sense of keeping the option of classic Dj equipment and technology. You also (Dj TLM) answered your own question to Rob Swift because you stated that "less vinyl has been produced over time" and newer artists no longer press vinyl so progressing with the music as a Dj means adapting the newer music and allowing a mesh of genres and age to make a strong stance. Either way you are on of the best DJ’s and your channel has helped me through time and Rob Swift is still one of the Legends in Dj but and you both have solid points and I look forward to seeing more. Great video
I really enjoy this video. As you are a Hip Hop DJ who respect the pioneers of your genre, I show the same respect as a House DJ. I once wrote a post directly to the Legendary Frankie Knuckles. I was upset with him because he was playing new versions of House instead of these old classics I grew up loving. He replied to my rant. I can't remember all he said, but for the most part, he explains about evolving and refuse to be stuck in the past. That change my mindset of House music forever. Now, I enjoyed listening to new Producers banging out tracks. I also love when a put a spin on the classics. It is like they are reborn. I always welcome new tech. I remember when home computers came to the market, and the laptop took over. I remember when cell phones were cool because they were portable. It took over landline phones completely. Now most smartphones are like pocket computers. I remember when CDJs came out and turntabled the purest frown on those who learned from them alone. Now some frown on those who only learn with controllers. There will always resist at first until they have no choice but to step up or get step on!
I believe that music and technology will continue to advance in future. Where there is new technology, new skills will be needed. The level of one's skills will always determine who is the real champion.
The DJ culture is always evolving... To preserve the culture, I think you need remember what came before and what is the role of the DJ...
Great Video BTW....
I agree with almost everything you say. Using limited tech makes you better, guaranteed. Then, once you upgrade you'll be ready to grow!
We got to stay open-minded in these situations! I'm no big DJ or anything but I don't like when new products and new ideas get knocked immediately just because they are different from what we know. How would hip hop culture as a whole grow if we all just knock the changes when they come. The end of the shure line is a sad day, but I feel its just making room for the new. Hip Hop wasn't born through negativity, it was born and fueled by a want and need for positive change. I'ma celebrate the departing of a product that helped shaped part of a beautiful culture.
Here's some interesting facts about the M44-7.. Shure released it in the '60s as a hi-fi cartridge.. In the '70s, it became a popular broadcast cartridge because of its durability.. Then later, the DJ market adopted them.. I have Shure professional catalogs from the '70's that list the M44-7 as the "new broadcast standard." And some of my old broadcast turntable catalogs list the M44-7 as a suitable broadcast cartridge..
I heard one on a Technics 1200 Mk2/Mk3 i loved it
Already pre-ordered Phase. I'll put my Shure MA44-7 in a travel case. Maybe a time capsule! Tech is here, time to embrace it
What are the modern day audiophile cartridges that will fit a Technics SL1200 tone arm?
👍🏻 Great Video, You always bring interesting topics. I don’t worry about Sure not making anymore M44s because another company will come along and basically make a copy that will look and function just like the Sure M44. A good example is like when Technics discontinued the 1200s, after a while Pioneer came out with the PLX-1000. It is very similar to the looks, feel, and function of the Technics 1200s.
So, I hope people don’t go crazy paying stupid high prices for M44s. Give it a little time.
djciscov1 I like your post and it makes me think, since Shire is dropping the M44-7 & N44-7, can Ortofon pick up a strongly similar design and to kind of pick up the slack?
you mean Jico A040110 Stylus they been making those for a long time and similar or better quality than the ogs...
theabstrakt84 really I haven't seen those honestly if I did I would have been on it but I did not know if they were as great a quality. How do you think they do? Versus the Shure?
theabstrakt84 , I’m going to gat a couple.
I've used JICO needles for years.. They are built to spec and are direct replacements for the Stanton and Shures.. And JICO has a direct replacement for the M44-7.. You'll like them..
Thanks for sharing the knowledge DJ TLM having worked in the electronics industry for 25 years Shure announcement does not shock me. lately, companies have been restructuring and changing there focus on what they sell and how they sell it. As a DJ you have two choices embrace the changes or work with what you have and enjoy it. There are other products out there it's not the end of the world but the beginning of inovation.
I totally agree
WTF? Technology isn't cancer. Rob Swift is a legend but he's just mad because Shure made a financial decision as it pertains to their business. "Buy different needles, bruh."
Rob Swift's perspective is from that of the turntable. He thinks that you aren't a "real" DJ unless you use a Technic 1200 turntable. Times change. They always do. Remember when they thought CDs would ruin DJing? Didn't happen. He's overreacting & hating on people who choose to use different equipment.
"More options are better. Some people prefer controllers, some CDJs, some turntables. Get over it, do you & quit worrying about what other people are doing. Geezus!!!"
You are always on point & very thoughtful, TLM. Appreciate you, bruh!
What you are saying is so true!!! With Serato taking over and controllers and cdj's being used so much, cartridges and needles are not Sure's bread and butter! even though us djs in the industry love to use the Sure M447 with Serato vinyl there cost might not be worth continuing!!!!
Jico's is the replacememt needle company name that makes the 44-7 replacement and it is cheaper ..so maybe that is also the reason that shure is stopping the production of them
I wrote to Shure Europe and general manager wrote back it was happening for the past few years that the cost of production didn't matched profit. Hopefully the guys of Jico in Japan will continue to produce the 3rd party styluses for the Shure brand cartridges....Jico A040110 Stylus is equal or better quality !!!
Thanks for the tip!
Shure is giving the same arguments than Technics gave years ago... The rest is history: Technics stoped making SL1200 MK2, then they said that they were very interested in vinyl again (best sound, bla, bla, bla...) and started making turntables again but... now the cheapest costs 1500 euros when a SL1200 used to cost 500. So quality, sound, respect for the customers are just words. What they all want is making (much) more money and that's all. (BTW I used to be a DJ, now I just DJ for my own, I've always been and still am a vinyl anthousiast).
Thank you TLM for your videos.
I agree. It’s a nice story for the press statement, but I doubt that was their main reason.
I'm not a DJ so for me the sound is everything. Which cartridge sounds best after long term listening without harshness and fatigue while preserving detail and subtlety. There's lots to choose and some of the best (for the money) I've head are no longer made sadly. One of them was an old Shure M55 upgraded with a hyper elliptical stylus. It music to my ears but probably couldn't stand the rigours of DJ use.
You said it best...the equipments doesn’t matter...so there is NO LINE to draw. The new Rane 12s and Phase is the same concept as CDJs and the NS7 controller which has been out for years. DJs have been using those. It’s not really that ground breaking if you look at it like that.
Next they will make a mixer with Phase software internally integrated (like Serato is now) and then what?
Then 10years down the road, a company will take it to the next level and create a mixer with the hard drive inside and a touchscreen and it will take the place of a laptop
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Thud Rumble and Intel already have a working prototype mixer called the invader due to be released later this year. PC inside a mixer
I also was shocked when I got the news of shure stopping production of the m447’s and others in that line,but then it hit me I have been seeing a fluctuation of production for a wile with there product and it was a matter of time . For the argument of technology being the blame I can’t say true to that because as a person and artist you always would be pushing you craft and technology allows for that advancement, turntables are the foundation that has paved the way for us to advance to were we are now in the industry and my take it if shure want to stop production they should sell the patents for the needles and let another manufacture take up the production.
Jico sells replacement N447 styli. Going to try them out this weekend. Heard good reviews but we'll see.
Just following up on my post. Awesome styli, highly recommend them.
Thanks for the feedback!. whis is the Jico needle model?
This is unbelievable, I guess I would have to go back to putting coins back on the cartridge headshells on any other needles that I will use in the future. It was nice supporting Shure for many years!
You don’t need coins if you use Ortofon needles
I've used both the Concords that skipped, and the Ortolans that I connected the headshells which also skipped unless, I put a coin on the headshell. And I even had to use scotch tape to hold the coins in place as well. I've use almost every needle under the sun since 1980. From Realistic needles, which are now renamed (Shure), Audio Technica, Pickering, Stantons 500 AL, and Stanton 680 EL, and the Shure again. And I even tried the Q Bert signature Ortofons as well. As for the needles jumping, sliding and skipping, I personally like the challenges that needles brought because, they both test and bring out the DJs authentic skills. So if you know of any Ortofons that won't jump too much, please let me know. And as far as the "real" DJ thing, my take is that, DJing like everything else in this world is about expanding and branching out, not necessary progressing, or moving forward. So at the end of the day, DJing is a form of self-expression, no matter what piece of equipment that is being used, to each one's own. So here's a question, what will happen when automation takes over? Will people say that robots are fake DJs?
I would also like to add that, if one is using controllers, then that would be the reason that they're not DJs, because they would fall in the producer category.
I really love your measured and informative conversations, you rep the dj scene hard bro, thanks
Respect for your grind, bro. Keep em coming.
Looks like Jico saved the day, gonna order a pair of replacements and see how they do.
The M44's was in the movie cult classic The Warriors. It's featured at almost near the end of the movie.
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love wat you said i esteem Rob Swift to highest ... but im not from his era i learned my teqniques from him but i also took your advice and learned on wat i could afford ddj sb2 ..and 100 used computer.few years back... now im a full blown turntablist still learning but the process and journey has been a blessing not the equipment 🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤🔥🔥🔥🔥🎧🎧🎧
Mojaxx from DJ City UK reviewed the Jiko n44-7 replacement stylus for M44-7 and they’re supposed to be just as good.
Great job TLM. Always quality!
It's very expensive to keep up ut the technology this days.
How much time do you have with phase? How well does it pitch on a 1210? I'm not a turntablist, I do more long beat matched mixes (8, 16, 32 bars)
Wow!
Glad the last time I bought needles I copped 4. Unbelievable...
I once saw a DJ use a DJM-350 and Two Laptops with Spotify. I think that's where I draw the line XD
😄😄 Sounds interesting
ɪs ᴛʜᴀᴛ ᴇᴠᴇɴ ᴘᴏssɪʙʟᴇ
when you have enough money for 2 laptop but not enough for a controller :)
😂😂😂😂
I have respect for any d j trying to cut but if you on real records I have the most respect for u👌👑🙏👑
Well explained brother.I still use my shures with Jico stylus
Yeah, I’m using the Jico needles now as weel. They’re great!
@@djTLMtv I also bought this ones my fellow dj.they are made in 🇨🇴. I paid 19dls shipped to Los angeles.il give u the link.and try them out.i learned alot from u bro.Specially about using the sl1 vanilla control.I find them just as good as sersto dj pro which I have as well.the only thing I cannot get my dicers.to work.any tips?help?
Respect! ✊🏽 Thanks for all of your videos!
I hope and I ask ,,, why can’t an aftermarket company make the stylus insert for the actual m44-7?? So that if we have the real m44-7 cartridge we can just pop in a aftermarket stylus.
Someone in our DJ world please put up the money to produce a replacement stylus for the m44-7. In 29 years of Dj’in all types to music. Specializing in turntablism the m44-7 is the most valuable tool I’ve ever used on jobs. I like ortofons too (especially the intergraded nightclub version for blending House, techno, trance, Freestyle,etc.
But as far as hip hop and turntablism goes. (Which is my favorite) 90s hip hop on my actual vinyl (with the old “pops” coming from my old worn down vinyl) the M44-7 is the absolute cleanest needle that I ever used. And I came from Stanton when m44-7 cane around. I love them they hold a groove in a record like a AWD Mercedes-Benz AMG car holds the road. I’m sorry for my ramble guys but I’m worried because I refuse to buy a controller or Rane 12. The day I hang up my tech 12s is the day I hang up me DJ career. Serato with vinyl is the most technology that I’m looking for as far as assisting me Dj’in. Why not put all this new technology into making cleaner amps, speakers , and mixers. (Ok I take back mixers. I love my 62 mixer) lol.
Keep up the great videos.
That’s already available: Jico makes a replacement stylus for the M44-7 👍🏽
djTLMtv ohhh thanks T. I had no idea an aftermarket was out there. I’m gunna stock up now.
Have a blessed day and keep up the great videos.
djTLMtv but they work the jico needle for truntablist style scratch mixer
If you need a stylus for your Shure check out Jico, they have fantastic replacement stylus for many manufacturers .
We're still okay.. Cartridges last forever.. As for needles, look at JICO for outstanding replacements.. JICO has made replacement needles built to spec and strict standards for years, including needles for Stanton and Shure.. They're excellent.. For you M44-7 lovers, JICO has a direct replacement needle.. Try it; you'll like it..
Thanks!!! what's the needle model?
You are so correct TLM! The turntable needle has nothing to do with DJ culture.
Word!
Orton for vinyl phase for the DVS win😎
Vinyl is better to manipulate. CD sounds better. MP3s are more convenient. I want all 3 so I use DVS with AIFF files. Gotta adapt with the times and make it happen.
Vinyl sounds better than CDs. FACT
24-bit AIFF files are way better than MP3. However, you need a 24-bit output mixer like the DJM-900 NXS2 or a completely analog mixer to make the most of the AIFF file. I'd recommend upgrading the interconnectors/RCA wires from the mixer to the CDJ-2000 NXS2 also.
I only use AIFF files for house music. I I use MP3 and Serato for hip hop gigs.
cd sounds like crap fact
As a DJ, I STILL get hate for using a controller. I've been told to "put away my Fischer Price Toy" and "don't use the C word around me" at venues multiple times. And whats so BS about it is they use serato just like me, but because their bigass fancy MIDI controller doesn't light up and needs parts to be replaced over time it automatocally makes me the inferior one. And yeah, i said it. If you use a DVS with any deck, IT BECOMES A BIGASS FANCY MIDI CONTROLLER. just cause yours has an almost obsolete disc on top doesn't mean you get to treat me like garbage because mine doesn't. #NoMoreControllerHate
Great post!
Thanks!
facts. Vinyl looks like it is coming back, but new ppl that get into the record game tap out and dont last long. Plenty of new vinyl heads also dont buy on the regular, and only buy records a few times a year LOL (RSD or monthly record subscriptions)
i like the new technology. i'm not going to the beach with a portable turntable and play a Wu-Tang Clan LP
Your Guess Is Right on the Money
Shure probably saw the writing on the wall with the initial success of the Rane 12 (ignoring the “bug”, which is getting fixed).
I highly doubt it.
djTLMtv agree to disagree then. I have turntables, but I am getting the Rane 12s to replace them. I will not need to buy 44-7s anymore.
Multiply that by thousands of DJs like me that now has a legit digital turntable that plays digital music - not an analog player playing digital music - and that is a ton of 44-7s that aren’t being bought anymore.
Ortofon Guys is going to manufacture a stylus that fits the Shure cartridge. It will be in production soon.
i have a m44g and 2 ortofons.. and comparing 1 brand to the other, i just love shures sound
so sad about this! what will be the new go to?
just buy Jico A040110 Stylus
Phase
Brandon Unger i dont dj with vinyl. just sample to make beats, or rip tunes to dj.
even though i dont scratch, i still need to be able to backcue/backspin when sampling
So if you're not using turntables with vinyl,...then you'e doing DVS? If so, then look up Phase DJ. New tech that replaces tonearms and needles.
what?? i am using a turntable with vinyl.. just not djing with it
Spit that knowledge Brother....
Why you didn't say anything about alterable cartridges to m447
New technologie make life easier and push the bondaries. If it's easier do to something, real DJ/artist will go further to stand out and they will find new limitation, and tech companie will creater more innovative product to push those bondaries further again.
And that's how music evolve, from the introduction of electricity to the digital era. If old timer don't think it's a part of the culture they use to know, then it became something else. For now hip hop has always been an open mind culture, looking forward on technologie and innovation, and that's why trap, turntablism or anything that doesn't sound like 80s hip hop is still part of this culture.
Tech is not meant to destroy what has been done, it's here to push it further, and from what I see, there is more and more turntablist (and we can add "controlerist" if that's a thing), and more and more innovative things. At some point it become hard to innovate because the base is already there, and that's how technologie help.
Rob Swift was an innovator at his time, but he choose to put himself behind some imaginative bondaries, probably because of some nostalgy or because he didn't compete anymore so he doesn't feel the need to stay up to date. He still a legend for me and lot of DJ (and beyond that), but he's kind of the DJ Sneak of hip hop now, and doesn't seems to see the big picture and believe in youth anymore :/
As long as Shure doesn't stop the production of SM58, we don't have to pannic :)
Now will audio stores start to raise prices due to this? Or will they put on sale to get ride of inventory? We already know how ebay works.
great video bro from the Bronx N.Y.
Great vid
Who actually wants their tracks skipping... man DJs find a new way to just hate
There are some n447 stylus made in Switzerland sold on Amazon.
I’m getting my Jico replacement needles for the M44-7 in a few weeks🙌🏾🙌🏾
@@djTLMtv I think I will go ahead and pick up a Jico as well!
la shure m44-7 ha un suono ottimo con bassi potenti e dinamico
Now I have to use ortophone -.- smh
I started in 89 DJ I love the turntable still n got my collections of real vinyl record I like serato too I strarde whit Gemini turntable n then whit 1800 1200 vestax n Pioneer turntable. I tried the CD DJ Pioneer CD DJ when they came out but did not like it is cool for mixing house music.
theres always jico replacements, they are really good.
I’ll get a pair of those for sure
It's killing me to know....you say you live in the Netherlands, but you have an "east coast" accent and you look like you're Latino...can someone let me know?
Also, yes I was too disappointed when I heard the news about Shure needles demise. I always loved the way ortofons looked, but they we're too expensive for my budget. Back in the early 2000's I started with "m-audio TORQ" as my DVS, I liked the fact that I didn't have to carry loads of crates to parties. Then I upgraded to serato SL3, but I somehow keep coming back to vinyl.
It’s just the natural progression. As tech advances, the old tech loses its usefulness. You’ll see that ANYWHERE. No one uses VCRs anymore. No one uses 8 track players. No one uses those big ass home recorder cameras where you had to pop in a VCR to record. Tech advances anywhere tech exists, and leaves the old tech in the dust. It’s inevitable, so I think Rob is wrong to blame the djs for the death of shure. I hope phase doesn’t bring about the end of all needles because I like them but I’ll be the first to admit they can be annoying at times. I did purchase my phase “cartiridges” as I see the advantage they can bring (no skipping, no replacing, no need to clean)
I totally agree
I had to stop at about the 20 minute mark. I'm a little disappointed with Rob Swift's opinion. As one of the legendary DJs I admire, it was disheartening to hear him take a dig at tech. The reality, for me, is new tech has always advanced the culture by allowing for more creativity. To me, the job of a DJ is to share the way you hear and feel tracks and one track can lead you to another track, that is about it at its core. Now, as the skill level grows, creativity and individual expression come into play. As a DJ, one of my ultimate highs come from when I can play what I want to play, how I want to play it and the crowd is feeling it like I feel it. Tech just allows me to add a creative element that I would not have been able to prior to it's introduction.
I hear you bro 💯
technology isnt the blame i feel the art of turntables-em and the lack of djs who feel into being leaders are slacking ... producers are now the djs and turntablies that were great haven't passed on what they know kinda forcing the new generation to follow what they see in festivals n clubs.
js the new generation isnt going to looking up the great djs unless we educate them and tell them are struggles.
i feel like the whole turntables culture has been put on the back burner for producers to take over and only small groups in different citys like the thr3estyles and you tlm and also a few other sources like rob swift are keeping it alive.
question why dont we see more turntables-em at festivals and at clubs? ... most of the time i dont see any turntables i just see cdjs on the tables with them set on cdj mode not even on vinyl mode or controllers ... you can name the handful of festival and club djs who use turntables there the ones keeping the art form alive.
I agree. A lot of the “older” DJs had (and have) a really negative attitude towards new DJs and in stead of sharing their knowledge they point fingers and try to lecture them. That never works
Respect to the pioneer DJs out there! However, technology & DJing go hand & hand! There was DJing before the Technics Sl-1200 mk2. Vinyl was just the medium of the time. We live in a capitalist world..... Money will ALWAYS be an issue!
Losing shure will hurt the dj ..but losing needles period will hurt the dj ..I love and enjoy all the new tech but I also dislike the fact that dj's nowadays are losing the real fundamentals of dj'ing ..they are losing those long nights and years of practice it took to gain the hand control and the coordination that came with it..so losing shure ..it will be missed by a true dj but losing needles in general will hurt the game ..in my opinion...now dont get me wrong I love the new advances in dj'ing like serato but I draw the line pretty much there because even with the serato you still can use the needle ..I'm really not into the whole controller thing with the jog wheels those are not for me ..so ill keep my 44-7 and ill buy the replacement needles from a off brand because the replacement needle is still out there and will continue to be im sure ..I can't remember the off brand name right now I believe its jinco or something along the lines of that name that makes a replacement needle for cheap but it is still a good needle djcity did a review on them ans mojax's said they are good needles ..so there you have it..keep your cartridge and buy the off brand and your m 44-7 will continue to live and thrive in the dj game ...
Yeah, but that’s the thing; needles aren’t going anywhere yet. People act like the 44-7 was “the only” needle ;)
I can understand peeps don’t want to stop using their favorite needle, but (like you said) with the third party replacement you can still use the 44-7 👍🏽👍🏽
Jico/Japan makes the "good" 3rd party needles.
@ Daniel Corona
I agree with your post 100%.
after market styles
where there's a positive there's a negative and vice a versa for old school DJs like myself it's about Talent I believe for me at least the cancer is when technology allows people that are not talented to become DJs they see these producers at these festivals playing their music which is pre-recorded and they're not DJing live people see that and want to become that and Technology allows them to do that.. so what happens the technology is what's really doing the DJing that's why in 2018 you have people that can't beat match by ear they have to have the Serato screen and at that you see them where they're not even using their headphones they're relying on the technology and if your relying on technology more than your own ability that sucks... okay like you TLM you have the talent to beat match by ear you know how to scratch you know how to DJ and Technology does help people that have talent to DJ to really ripshit up.. it's like the song said what is a DJ if he can't scratch what is an MC if he can't rap.. but now the cancer is a situation to where oh I don't scratch I'm not that kind of a DJ and that's the unfortunate part of it all.. a DJ should be able to scratch... a DJ should be able to beat match by ear... a DJ should be able to DJ on his own ability so in conclusion the cancer is that technology has lowered the standards of what it is to call yourself a DJ......
Bro you are one of the few people who get it. It was a great read. I thought it was just me.
It's a conspiracy! Electronic manufacturing companies that make controllers are trying to buy out the analogue industry!
if you are a virtuoso/turntablist or you want to be one then you need the right instruments and not a approximation. i dont care if mobile dj use digital or techo djs use digital. they can use what ever they want. but as a turntablist you need the real deal. if you look at the hardcore scratchers they all use real vinyl no timecode. and i mean not the baby scratchers or the orbit guys.I mean the scratches for which you need a great hand control. why qbert prefers real vinyle for all those years? and here one analogy: a pianist(not a keyboard player), that is playing classical music, will always prefers a steinway piano over a midi keyboard. peac out and much respect to the last mohican
I don’t know. I understand the piano analogy, but I know a lot of hardcore turntablists/total scratch nerds who use real vinyl AND timecode
why are drummers prefer real drums instead of digital drum kit?
because sense of touch and sense of hearing are the least sluggish.
yes timecode is used but they prefer to practices/learn scratches on real vinyl and you need for timecode a needles anyway. analog in this context is be better.