Sirens are "necessarily loud". Electric cars at low speeds would be "unnecessarily quiet", so they added something extra that is just "necessarily loud".
Nope. Logically, it implies the existence of only one of the two, which in practise that would be 'necessarily loud' machines, for which there are countless examples (e. g. rescue helicopters).
Make the insurance cover the activities and conditions that farm and maintenance vehicles are made and usedfor rather than force them under unsuitable policies for road vehicles.@@olmostgudinaf8100
My ride-on lawnmower has a sticker saying something like "extra-silent" with 55dB or something like that. The thing is that you need it only a few times a year. So these machines become very old and spending much more money for a BEV doesn't make much sense. You'll also need electricity to keep the battery warm enough in winter -> energy costs. But very many places where they're kept don't have electricity. Where I live, you don't have so big lawn in town that such a machine makes sense. It's for properties outside the town where you don't have electricity (except for some high-voltage powerline where you don't want to connect a Schuko plug by yourself...).
I wouldn't call a chain-saw an "unnecessarily loud machine". The makers of chain-saws spend considerable time and effort in trying to make them smaller and quieter. But you simply can't have a big muffler on them for safety reasons, as one of them will burn you in no time. Additionally chainsaws need serious power in a light package, as weight directly impacts usability and controllability. As for electric chainsaws; those are not really working good enough yet for professional use. Fuel simply has a much higher energy density and much lower price than lithium batteries.
@@eisikater1584 For professional use in Europe you generally would ask: Stihl or Husqvarna? And for our business the answer is Husqvarna 550 XP. With 50ccm it is the classic "Fichtenmoped".
@@thestarjonSo how do you propose cutting large diameter wood then? A chain-saw is by far the best and most efficient tool for that job. Unless you want to bring in a big harvester, which incidentally also uses a chain-saw, just a hydraulically driven one, to cut the stems.
I don't own one, but not because I don't need it but because I know that the nearest rental place is less than half a mile away. And for full transparency: I don't actually need a chainsaw, but I do technically own one I inherited. Not that I ever touched it or half of the tools in the shed it sits in. But the rental place is real and really there.
In 1991 famous German graphic designer Otl Aicher who among other works was responsible for the visual concept of Lufthansa and the 1972 Olympics was mowing his lawn and driving his sit on mower backwards into the road collided with a motorbike and died.
I have insured these vehicles in my private liability insurance. This will certainly also be the case with other insurance companies, The only problem is that it is not compulsory insurance and around 20% of people in Germany do not have this type of insurance.
Are you sure it's included in all private liability insurances? If not, the number of people where this isn't covered is most probably higher than these 20% add up to.
@@LEJapproach I have just had a look at the rate components of an insurance comparison calculator. Here is the result: ⇒ Working machines (e.g. lawnmowers) and ambulances with and without engine without registration requirement insured (1599 tariffs) insured up to 20 km/h without registration requirement (12 rates) insured up to 20 km/h (30 tariffs) not insured (4 tariffs) Even if work machines up to 20 km/h are not currently insured, this clause could certainly be included by the German Insurance Association (GdV) at a reasonable price at a later date. My tariff, which includes it, costs just 50 euros a year.
especially for Farmers this would have been another blow. They would need to have insurance for all of their "Selbstfahrende Arbeitsgeräte" like Forklift, Frontloaders and Combines. Most Farms have several of these and I would estimate this sums up to 1k+ € easily. Right now damage caused by these is payed through the Betriebshaftpflicht, so no real issue here. Just additional paperwork and loss of income.
When a new EU directive comes out on the acceptable degree of sun reflection on a standard windown... the Greek answer: what? The Italians: will see... The Polish: EU? The Germans: Jawoll!
Has an automatic wheelchair to be insured? It seem to fall in the category, because they don't go faster than 20 km/h. But they almost exclusively are in public.
Andrew, first off, I have neither a chainsaw nor a blasted leaf-blower (I hate leaf-blowers), but I challenge you to regularly mow 3000 square metres of grass with a push mower. Secondly, and it's something you hinted at but didn't pursue, the proposed legislation wasn't specifically for sit-on mowers: over the years I have known a number of travelling entertainers who have lived in Bauwagen and travelled around towing those Bauwagen behind old tractors, officially limited to 25 km/h. As such they are allowed to drive on the roads but are not required to have insurance.
I love learning about this type of news from other countries. I wanna know the kind of stuff you’d only hear about on the local news!!! Tell me something boring!!
Nice. If you want to know what a Saupreiss thinks about it, search for "Reinhard Mey - irgendein Depp mäht irgendwo immer". and, ofc, "Dana Lyons - Ride the lawn" for those who aren't fluent in german.
One of the rare instances where I agree with the CDU, I must admit. While I'm not a big fan of all the noisy apparatus Germans (but not just them...) have, this would have been over the top bureaucratic.
In Switzerland you need till a few years a insurance for you bike. That was solved like that. You bought in your supermarket a sticker you put on your bike.
very good law. A friend did not know about insurance, caused an accident with her bike and had to pay two years long to cover the car's damage. Now she has got a private liability insurance
@@galdavonalgerri2101It get Really expensive when you hurt someone. That's private liability insurance is so important. As most Swiss have one you don't need that sticker on the bike any more.
Interestingly most of these "slow speed motor driven devices" (eg Fork Lifts, Lawn Mowers, Electric Mobility Scooters, even large Farm Tractors and Harvesters) ARE required to have a Concessional Registration plate attached to be allowed to venture onto Public Lands. This is relatively cheap but does include the general Compulsory Third Party Insurance component of all registrations. Heck! That must put us up there with the Third Crikey! 😱🙄🤣🤣
I've said for ages that there needs to be a legal distinction between driving along a road and driving across a road. Those are very distinct usage scenarios, both in the type of technical equipment needed and the type of risk posed.
3:15 Well, no. Public broadcasters are essential for a stable democracy. Directly or indirectly, a stable and free society profits absolutely everybody, always. That's not the same as insurance.
Annaliese though! This reminds me of the legislation proposed in Australia that was supposed to make the internet safer but organisations that actually dealt with online exploitation and abuse pointed out that nobody would actually benefit so it failed.
Another thing I noticed is that the electric scooters have number plate. So they do count as motor vehicle. And on the "car owners play for lawnmower accidents" That is like how vehicle taxes are paid for owning a car, not for driving it on the road. So no matter how much you drive on the road, you have to pay the tax.
Wrong. You pay vehicle tax for the right to drive on the road, no matter how much you use that right. But for a car that is never taken out onto public ground, you don't need to pay it.
I'm not sure, but think the insurance companies' damages are covered by their insurance policies at the their insurance company! Münchner Rück / Munich Back 😉😉 😂🤷
Wait, there is a thing as German lawnmower masculinity? Always thought it to be an American South thing, while here guys content with miter saws Huh, your channel is trully an educational gem
I never thought that a miter saw ist something maskuline. It's "die Gehrungssäge".... she's a girl... oh yes for maskuline human beeings. OK you're right.
@@Peterbrendanalbert I see more of RAM 2500, couple of F350 around the stables. Rangers and Amaroks on farms, but seldom. But F150 - no, not really at all. Common folks be common folks, but every place has a specific twist nevertheless
@ckzaloopI seen an ever increasing amount of pick up trucks here in Ostfriesland, driven almost exclusively by people who have no need for them, other than as compensation for their insecurity and fragile masculinity. MAN DRIVE BIG TRUK BRUMBRUM.
It might take a role that guns have in South USA. Completly unnecessary. You have to know people don't have such huge properties, nothing like a golf course to need such a oversized lawnmower. But they buy it anyway, just for their feeling to move huge machines. They cannot afford a bulldozer or caterpillar, but a lawnmower fits in their garden.
I have a chainsaw here in the UK, as it saves me a huge amount of effort using a bow saw and age is catching up with me. It is, however, a civilised battery powered one that is plenty powerful enough for my needs. All of my powered garden tools, with the exception of the power washer and shredder are battery powered, and those last two are electric. They are also about as quiet as they could reasonably be, and nobody comes bothering me about excessive noise, whatever time it might be so long as it is daylight. In any event, I believe that California has passed a law which will make the selling of petrol (gas) powered garden tools illegal. I am, maybe, a bit surprised that Germany is not in the vanguard of such things.
@@mickimicki not at all. You're either wealthy and academics aren't "alpha" or you live in some village where the lots are in family posession for a long time so your garden doesn't have to do with you all that much. The "Alpha" thing would be to put a massive house on a suburbs bulding lot and build a pool in the backyard.
This would be a headache for me and my boss, as my work does lawn equipment repairs, with a pickup and delivery service. From what i remember when i started driving, i needed to be put on the insurance to drive my parents cars, unless the insurance gets a notice, which would give me permission for a short time to drive it, or in situations like a emergency.
Motor vehicle liability insurance can be purchased with both options. The standard case is "all drivers with a valid driver's license". There is the option to insure only certain drivers and get a bit of a discount.
But first of all, lawnmower is a gardening appliance, a tool, not a vehicle. If it is left unattended and involved in an accident, it should be considered just like some other tool left on the road. If the person was on it, it's simple as a pedestrian handling said tool. Same goes for mini-baggers and all.
@@CULater000 all power tools have engines, be they ICE or electric. The propelling of the mower is not the main purpose though, but powering the blades is. Transportation of an operator is a byproduct feature.
@@feedbackzaloop eeh, wether or not the function of transporting someone is a byproduct shouldn't really be a factor. it's a thing that it does, on purpose.
@@theod0r but it doesn't do the transporting purposeflully, that is the idea behind "byproduct". Meanwhile pretty much everything is legally defined by its function. If you look up the definitions, they most likely to start as "smth - a mean of..." Shoes are more of a transport than this. And they allow for greater speeds too. 20 km/h set as the limit is marathon winning pace. Never seen a lawnmower travel as far as 40+ km. And yet even so they are not, therefore even less of a vehicle is a lawnmower. Which is currently reflected by how few types of roads they are allowed on: basically those, where pedestrians are.
Nope, it's a race car :-) The kids here in my neighbourhood using daddy's lawnmower regulary to drive around (yes on public road!) and to ride to their gandparents aprox. 500m away. They have never the intention to use this mover for gardening. It's more used like a electric wheel chair, for transportation. So lawnmovers may have a lot of hidden uses.
Didn't you mean "unnecessary loud machines" instead of "unnecessarily loud machines"? They are not louder than needed to do their job, but owning them isn't necessary...
I doubt the CEOs of insurance companies pay for their own insurance. As for the TV and radio licence, that is disgusting. I haven't watched TV or listened to radio for more than 27 years. I stopped while I was in the UK, and when I came to Germany, saw that it was much worse, but yes I have to pay. Apparently we all "have the right" to watch/listen, so we all have to pay for the rubbish. Newspeak, possibly?
'Unnecessarily loud machines' implies the existence of both 'necessarily loud' and 'unnecessarily quiet' machines.
Sirens are "necessarily loud".
Electric cars at low speeds would be "unnecessarily quiet", so they added something extra that is just "necessarily loud".
@@s8w5 "Sirens are "necessarily loud"." - Yeah, no wonder sailors keep falling for them.
Nope. Logically, it implies the existence of only one of the two, which in practise that would be 'necessarily loud' machines, for which there are countless examples (e. g. rescue helicopters).
Lol, someone with name soundscape commented :DD
And of cause, someone didn't got the joke :))
No, it doesn't. It only implies the former.
I can't believe that Germany said about a piece of bureaucracy ""this is going too far"". How out of character.
On the other hand, an insurance for a ride-on anything is not "going too far". I am surprised they let it slip.
Make the insurance cover the activities and conditions that farm and maintenance vehicles are made and usedfor rather than force them under unsuitable policies for road vehicles.@@olmostgudinaf8100
hmm, was expecting a different type of "Gras" to be topic of Rewbosses next video
Please could you elaborate? I don't understand
@@RandoStaRRGermany plans to decriminalize cannabis soon
@@RandoStaRR The Bundestag has voted today that Cannabis will be legalized (under certain conditions) from April on.
@@rittersportfanBut you will not need to ride on lawnmowers for the three plants allowed.
@@elkewoll2950What insurance would one need for transporting said plants on maintenance and farm vehicles?
My ride-on lawnmower has a sticker saying something like "extra-silent" with 55dB or something like that. The thing is that you need it only a few times a year. So these machines become very old and spending much more money for a BEV doesn't make much sense. You'll also need electricity to keep the battery warm enough in winter -> energy costs. But very many places where they're kept don't have electricity. Where I live, you don't have so big lawn in town that such a machine makes sense. It's for properties outside the town where you don't have electricity (except for some high-voltage powerline where you don't want to connect a Schuko plug by yourself...).
I wouldn't call a chain-saw an "unnecessarily loud machine".
The makers of chain-saws spend considerable time and effort in trying to make them smaller and quieter. But you simply can't have a big muffler on them for safety reasons, as one of them will burn you in no time. Additionally chainsaws need serious power in a light package, as weight directly impacts usability and controllability.
As for electric chainsaws; those are not really working good enough yet for professional use. Fuel simply has a much higher energy density and much lower price than lithium batteries.
I feel tempted to ask:
Stihl or Makita?
@@eisikater1584 For professional use in Europe you generally would ask:
Stihl or Husqvarna?
And for our business the answer is Husqvarna 550 XP. With 50ccm it is the classic "Fichtenmoped".
It may not be an "unnecessarily loud machine", but rather an "unnecessary, loud machine".
@@thestarjonSo how do you propose cutting large diameter wood then?
A chain-saw is by far the best and most efficient tool for that job. Unless you want to bring in a big harvester, which incidentally also uses a chain-saw, just a hydraulically driven one, to cut the stems.
@@AntonGudenusI mean there are of course people who actually need a chainsaw, I just doubt it's the majority of private owners.
I dont own a chainsaw to be alpha or because it is loud. I own one because sometimes you need one.
I don't think he was digging at all chainsaws'owners, especially the ones that use it only when it's necessary.
I don't own one, but not because I don't need it but because I know that the nearest rental place is less than half a mile away.
And for full transparency: I don't actually need a chainsaw, but I do technically own one I inherited. Not that I ever touched it or half of the tools in the shed it sits in. But the rental place is real and really there.
In 1991 famous German graphic designer Otl Aicher who among other works was responsible for the visual concept of Lufthansa and the 1972 Olympics was mowing his lawn and driving his sit on mower backwards into the road collided with a motorbike and died.
Damn.
Wasn't expecting the dark ending.
These bikers are rowdies.
I guess the Insurance Companies just said "Genuch is genuch!" XD
My lawn mower is a good old petroĺ one, as loud as a starting boeing 747. I feel all powerful.
Der berüchtigte Kärcher is missing
Are they electric?
@@CAThompsonyes. Still loud, its the most common pressure washer brand
Yes. An electric pressure washer. Very noisy.
@@michaelbeiyt I know. I was checking if I remembered incorrectly that they are electrical. 🙂
I have insured these vehicles in my private liability insurance. This will certainly also be the case with other insurance companies,
The only problem is that it is not compulsory insurance and around 20% of people in Germany do not have this type of insurance.
Are you sure it's included in all private liability insurances? If not, the number of people where this isn't covered is most probably higher than these 20% add up to.
@@LEJapproach I have just had a look at the rate components of an insurance comparison calculator.
Here is the result:
⇒ Working machines (e.g. lawnmowers) and ambulances with and without engine without registration requirement
insured (1599 tariffs)
insured up to 20 km/h without registration requirement (12 rates)
insured up to 20 km/h (30 tariffs)
not insured (4 tariffs)
Even if work machines up to 20 km/h are not currently insured, this clause could certainly be included by the German Insurance Association (GdV) at a reasonable price at a later date. My tariff, which includes it, costs just 50 euros a year.
@@tosa2522Thanks for doing the research! 👍
I guess with these numbers you _can_ actually say it's generally included.
especially for Farmers this would have been another blow. They would need to have insurance for all of their "Selbstfahrende Arbeitsgeräte" like Forklift, Frontloaders and Combines. Most Farms have several of these and I would estimate this sums up to 1k+ € easily. Right now damage caused by these is payed through the Betriebshaftpflicht, so no real issue here. Just additional paperwork and loss of income.
Ugh, there are so many real problems that our government needs to tackle!
When a new EU directive comes out on the acceptable degree of sun reflection on a standard windown... the Greek answer: what? The Italians: will see... The Polish: EU? The Germans: Jawoll!
As someone who is regularly blinded by 3 different windows reflecting the afternoon sun directly into my eyes, I would welcome such a regulation.
Has an automatic wheelchair to be insured? It seem to fall in the category, because they don't go faster than 20 km/h. But they almost exclusively are in public.
Andrew, first off, I have neither a chainsaw nor a blasted leaf-blower (I hate leaf-blowers), but I challenge you to regularly mow 3000 square metres of grass with a push mower.
Secondly, and it's something you hinted at but didn't pursue, the proposed legislation wasn't specifically for sit-on mowers: over the years I have known a number of travelling entertainers who have lived in Bauwagen and travelled around towing those Bauwagen behind old tractors, officially limited to 25 km/h. As such they are allowed to drive on the roads but are not required to have insurance.
I need a creature in my life.
I didn't know there was such a thing as male Karens. Thanks rewboss for proving me wrong.
Stihl is from my hometown...🤓🤣
I love learning about this type of news from other countries. I wanna know the kind of stuff you’d only hear about on the local news!!! Tell me something boring!!
My music recommendation:
Troglauer Buam - Rasenmäher
To be found here on RUclips. Caution: Heavy Bavarian dialect!
Nice. If you want to know what a Saupreiss thinks about it, search for "Reinhard Mey - irgendein Depp mäht irgendwo immer". and, ofc, "Dana Lyons - Ride the lawn" for those who aren't fluent in german.
The "creature" looks like a great cat.
Miau!
One of the rare instances where I agree with the CDU, I must admit. While I'm not a big fan of all the noisy apparatus Germans (but not just them...) have, this would have been over the top bureaucratic.
I love our democracy.
In Switzerland you need till a few years a insurance for you bike.
That was solved like that. You bought in your supermarket a sticker
you put on your bike.
very good law. A friend did not know about insurance, caused an accident with her bike and had to pay two years long to cover the car's damage. Now she has got a private liability insurance
@@galdavonalgerri2101It get Really expensive when you hurt someone. That's private liability insurance is so important. As most Swiss have one you don't need that sticker on the bike any more.
Interestingly most of these "slow speed motor driven devices" (eg Fork Lifts, Lawn Mowers, Electric Mobility Scooters, even large Farm Tractors and Harvesters) ARE required to have a Concessional Registration plate attached to be allowed to venture onto Public Lands. This is relatively cheap but does include the general Compulsory Third Party Insurance component of all registrations.
Heck! That must put us up there with the Third Crikey! 😱🙄🤣🤣
Yup, these electric scooters that pop up everywhere over the last couple years have a license plate.
I've said for ages that there needs to be a legal distinction between driving along a road and driving across a road. Those are very distinct usage scenarios, both in the type of technical equipment needed and the type of risk posed.
The German way: "Heavily controlled, with many laws and regulations!" Just like Sweden *sigh*...
Too bureaucratic for Germany. Lol.
3:15 Well, no. Public broadcasters are essential for a stable democracy. Directly or indirectly, a stable and free society profits absolutely everybody, always. That's not the same as insurance.
Annaliese though!
This reminds me of the legislation proposed in Australia that was supposed to make the internet safer but organisations that actually dealt with online exploitation and abuse pointed out that nobody would actually benefit so it failed.
Another thing I noticed is that the electric scooters have number plate. So they do count as motor vehicle.
And on the "car owners play for lawnmower accidents"
That is like how vehicle taxes are paid for owning a car, not for driving it on the road. So no matter how much you drive on the road, you have to pay the tax.
Wrong. You pay vehicle tax for the right to drive on the road, no matter how much you use that right. But for a car that is never taken out onto public ground, you don't need to pay it.
@@HenryLoenwind for a car that is never put onto public road you also don't need a license plate or inspection either.
Thanks again for providing another fine example of small minded prejudices of the eco cult. "If i don't need it, no know does!"
I'm not sure, but think the insurance companies' damages are covered by their insurance policies at the their insurance company! Münchner Rück / Munich Back 😉😉 😂🤷
If they wanted to make that work I'd guess they'd have to license all lawnmowers... Should they be mot:ed too?
Don’t they have more important things to legislate for?
Equal treatmant is important. Filtering for importance is illegal. It's like having thiefs of 5€ wait longer for their trial, then thiefs of 5000€ ?
"Incredibly bureaucratic"? Isn't that considered a virtue in Germany? 🤓
Yes, it's to establish documented fairness.
Wait, there is a thing as German lawnmower masculinity? Always thought it to be an American South thing, while here guys content with miter saws
Huh, your channel is trully an educational gem
I never thought that a miter saw ist something maskuline. It's "die Gehrungssäge".... she's a girl... oh yes for maskuline human beeings. OK you're right.
@@Peterbrendanalbert I see more of RAM 2500, couple of F350 around the stables. Rangers and Amaroks on farms, but seldom. But F150 - no, not really at all.
Common folks be common folks, but every place has a specific twist nevertheless
@ckzaloopI seen an ever increasing amount of pick up trucks here in Ostfriesland, driven almost exclusively by people who have no need for them, other than as compensation for their insecurity and fragile masculinity. MAN DRIVE BIG TRUK BRUMBRUM.
It might take a role that guns have in South USA. Completly unnecessary. You have to know people don't have such huge properties, nothing like a golf course to need such a oversized lawnmower. But they buy it anyway, just for their feeling to move huge machines.
They cannot afford a bulldozer or caterpillar, but a lawnmower fits in their garden.
I have a chainsaw here in the UK, as it saves me a huge amount of effort using a bow saw and age is catching up with me. It is, however, a civilised battery powered one that is plenty powerful enough for my needs. All of my powered garden tools, with the exception of the power washer and shredder are battery powered, and those last two are electric. They are also about as quiet as they could reasonably be, and nobody comes bothering me about excessive noise, whatever time it might be so long as it is daylight.
In any event, I believe that California has passed a law which will make the selling of petrol (gas) powered garden tools illegal. I am, maybe, a bit surprised that Germany is not in the vanguard of such things.
You need a sit on lawnmower if you have a large lawn. Not quite sure about that hurt and rather petty attack on... alpha males .. who own a lawnmower?
A large lawn is a very "alpha male" thing to own 😂
@@mickimicki not at all. You're either wealthy and academics aren't "alpha" or you live in some village where the lots are in family posession for a long time so your garden doesn't have to do with you all that much.
The "Alpha" thing would be to put a massive house on a suburbs bulding lot and build a pool in the backyard.
This would be a headache for me and my boss, as my work does lawn equipment repairs, with a pickup and delivery service.
From what i remember when i started driving, i needed to be put on the insurance to drive my parents cars, unless the insurance gets a notice, which would give me permission for a short time to drive it, or in situations like a emergency.
Motor vehicle liability insurance can be purchased with both options. The standard case is "all drivers with a valid driver's license". There is the option to insure only certain drivers and get a bit of a discount.
Yeah, because the CDU have always been so much against bureaucracy! 🤣🤣🤣
But first of all, lawnmower is a gardening appliance, a tool, not a vehicle. If it is left unattended and involved in an accident, it should be considered just like some other tool left on the road. If the person was on it, it's simple as a pedestrian handling said tool. Same goes for mini-baggers and all.
It has an engine, and said engine is propelling the mower and it’s operator, hence, I think, the category of vehicle is appropriate
@@CULater000 all power tools have engines, be they ICE or electric. The propelling of the mower is not the main purpose though, but powering the blades is. Transportation of an operator is a byproduct feature.
@@feedbackzaloop eeh, wether or not the function of transporting someone is a byproduct shouldn't really be a factor. it's a thing that it does, on purpose.
@@theod0r but it doesn't do the transporting purposeflully, that is the idea behind "byproduct". Meanwhile pretty much everything is legally defined by its function. If you look up the definitions, they most likely to start as "smth - a mean of..."
Shoes are more of a transport than this. And they allow for greater speeds too. 20 km/h set as the limit is marathon winning pace. Never seen a lawnmower travel as far as 40+ km. And yet even so they are not, therefore even less of a vehicle is a lawnmower. Which is currently reflected by how few types of roads they are allowed on: basically those, where pedestrians are.
Nope, it's a race car :-) The kids here in my neighbourhood using daddy's lawnmower regulary to drive around (yes on public road!) and to ride to their gandparents aprox. 500m away. They have never the intention to use this mover for gardening. It's more used like a electric wheel chair, for transportation. So lawnmovers may have a lot of hidden uses.
Didn't you mean "unnecessary loud machines" instead of "unnecessarily loud machines"? They are not louder than needed to do their job, but owning them isn't necessary...
If you have silent and loud machines in a category of machinery of the same kind, the loud once can be considered unnecessary.
I doubt the CEOs of insurance companies pay for their own insurance.
As for the TV and radio licence, that is disgusting. I haven't watched TV or listened to radio for more than 27 years. I stopped while I was in the UK, and when I came to Germany, saw that it was much worse, but yes I have to pay.
Apparently we all "have the right" to watch/listen, so we all have to pay for the rubbish.
Newspeak, possibly?
No.
@@sisuguillam5109?
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