45:30 “God always means exactly what he says, and we never do” “This is what gives rise to meaning to symbols to creativity… “ Another excellent section .
This book truly gets at the reality of life, and who and what God really is. "Christ is God's forgiveness" - GMac (“You did me no wrong,” he returned. “Calling me a raven, or thinking me one, you allowed me existence, which is the sum of what one can demand of his fellow-beings."), Forgiveness allows things to be what they are, and become what they are becoming. This is why the one, true, monotheistic God sits on a throne of mercy. "Mercy and truth have met together; Righteousness and peace have kissed."
22:56 “God is eternally surprised.” This section helped me to hear something that I already knew. jordan’s explanation of the conflation of apprehension with reality. “Spirit is more than we can grasp.”
"All mirrors are magic mirrors. The commonest room is a room in a poem when I turn to the glass...There must be a truth involved in it, though we may but in part lay hold of the meaning." -George MacDonald Its through that glass into the realm of the poetic, where the pigeon is a prayer.
I love the stuff about worms around 36:00. Ive alwys felt struck by the love that is weirdly palpable in Gods addressing Jacob as a worm in Isaiah 41:14, and i have often had the sense in jonah 4:7 that just as God spares Ninevah out of nothing more or less than His love for the city and the life in it, His appointment of the worm to destroy the creeper is fundamentally based on His love for the worm
23:16 my younger self needed to hear this (excellent, godly application of Hegel). "Personality, love, and intersubjectivity-- these are the truths of reality"
I have levels of groups with whomst I share content. This one hit the highest level (the largest amount of persons group). So, so good. Thank you. Lilith changed my life and this conversation speaks to why that happened brilliantly.
LILITH is the most profound theological work I have ever read, and quite possibly ever written. (Excluding the Bible, since Lilith is fundamentally BASED in the biblical scriptures).
"In moments of doubt I cry, “Could God Himself create such lovely things as I dreamed?” “Whence then came thy dream?” answers Hope. I wait; asleep or awake, I wait. Novalis says, “Our life is no dream, but it should and will perhaps become one.”
28:30 But I can also hear GMac saying something like we are the ones on the other side of reality, and the realm in which Mr Vane goes is actually deeper into the truth of what and how our reality actually is.
45:30 “God always means exactly what he says, and we never do”
“This is what gives rise to meaning to symbols to creativity… “
Another excellent section .
35:37 Mr. Vane: …you cannot make me do what I don’t want to do.”
Mr. raven: “when you have a will, you’ll find that no one can.”
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This book truly gets at the reality of life, and who and what God really is.
"Christ is God's forgiveness" - GMac
(“You did me no wrong,” he returned. “Calling me a raven, or thinking me one, you allowed me existence, which is the sum of what one can demand of his fellow-beings."),
Forgiveness allows things to be what they are, and become what they are becoming.
This is why the one, true, monotheistic God sits on a throne of mercy. "Mercy and truth have met together; Righteousness and peace have kissed."
22:56 “God is eternally surprised.”
This section helped me to hear something that I already knew.
jordan’s explanation of the conflation of apprehension with reality. “Spirit is more than we can grasp.”
Thank you - It's always enlightening to chat with Jordan.
"All mirrors are magic mirrors. The commonest room is a room in a poem when I turn to the glass...There must be a truth involved in it, though we may but in part lay hold of the meaning." -George MacDonald
Its through that glass into the realm of the poetic, where the pigeon is a prayer.
40:30 Yes this! "All live things were thoughts to begin with". The poetic, into the living heart of the prose.
I love the stuff about worms around 36:00. Ive alwys felt struck by the love that is weirdly palpable in Gods addressing Jacob as a worm in Isaiah 41:14, and i have often had the sense in jonah 4:7 that just as God spares Ninevah out of nothing more or less than His love for the city and the life in it, His appointment of the worm to destroy the creeper is fundamentally based on His love for the worm
Probably the deepest and most articulate theologian/philosopher of Christ currently working
100% agreed!
23:16 my younger self needed to hear this (excellent, godly application of Hegel). "Personality, love, and intersubjectivity-- these are the truths of reality"
Thank you, friend. I am so grateful for Jordan's generous spirit and brilliant insight.
I have levels of groups with whomst I share content.
This one hit the highest level (the largest amount of persons group).
So, so good.
Thank you.
Lilith changed my life and this conversation speaks to why that happened brilliantly.
"Whomst"...whomst taught you that word? Mr Kool Man?
@ Jesus.
LILITH is the most profound theological work I have ever read, and quite possibly ever written. (Excluding the Bible, since Lilith is fundamentally BASED in the biblical scriptures).
I agree!
49:00
This part is soooo good 🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻
Thank you, friend!
"In moments of doubt I cry,
“Could God Himself create such lovely things as I dreamed?”
“Whence then came thy dream?” answers Hope.
I wait; asleep or awake, I wait.
Novalis says, “Our life is no dream, but it should and will perhaps become one.”
28:30 But I can also hear GMac saying something like we are the ones on the other side of reality, and the realm in which Mr Vane goes is actually deeper into the truth of what and how our reality actually is.
All that is real remains and is infinitely more real than the realm we perceive with our senses.
@@DerekHolser ❤️🔥