Hi Wing, I would like to talk about the point of salary as a motivation to pursue medicine. First let's look from a broader perspective, why do the top students from HK and Japan cluster together to rush into medicine, while the top students from mainland China of much higher caliber instead choose other fields (pure science, finance, IT) that are not medicine? Have you thought about why, when a major difference lies in the pay of physicians in the two groups? Second, the argument of "If you want to earn money you better study finance. The pay does not justify the numerous exams and long working hours" is not very solid. It is a commonly thrown out argument by many HK medical professors in their admission talks, yet rarely sustained with solid proof and evidence. It is a means to keep themselves on the moral high ground, something to isolate themselves from the potential motivation of money. Let's look at the reality, HK physician has an average monthly salary of 60-120k HKD. On the other hand, not everyone in finance makes that much money. Only a select few can get into top-tier investment banks and even within them you need certain years of experience to reach the level of 60-120k HKD. Most ibankers rarely have a salary exceeding 80k HKD. Now, the majority of finance graduates will have a salary fluctuating around 20k HKD, and it takes years of climbing of corporate ladder to reach 40k. A director with a lot of years of experience, qualifications, networking connections commanding a large group of employees and having a ton of responsibilities, of a regular mid-large company only makes slightly over 100k usually, and many do not make over 80k. While new medical graduate can easily make an amount close to that, and in years especially with specialization can get over a director's pay. Furthermore, the working hours in finance is by no means any better than in medicine. There are top firms that follow the 996 routine, there are ones in HK that have OT even worse than 996. Not to mention you face huge pressure and tight schedules, these are not any better than medicine especially if you work at an ibank. The pressure placed upon doctors also depends a lot on their specialty, the private and public sector, and their reputation. You would not expect a senior private plastic surgeon in HK earning > 3m HKD annually to have higher working pressure than a public hospital ER physician or a typical ibanker. To think finance is a better money-maker than medicine is in itself a delusion and a good way to bypass any moral condemnation associated with pursuing medicine due to money. This is not to say you or every medical student jumps into the field with money as the main motivator, but I doubt you can simply dismiss it as a major factor.
I think you have misinterpreted what she has said. I don't think she has ever mentioned "If you want to earn money you better study finance. The pay does not justify the numerous exams and long working hours" in this video as well. She means if the salary is the ONLY motivation, medicine is definitely not an option. Salary is always a concern for pursuing any field undeniably. Yet, it is difficult to withstand the pressure of taking medicine and becoming a doctor if you are not interested in and dedicated to medicine. It takes so much time and effort than any other occupation to be qualified. Also, being a doctor is not only a high-paying job when human lives are at stake. Therefore, salary can be one of the major factors but cannot be the only factor for pursuing medicine. Of course, I do believe that some people do pursue medicine just due to salary. Yet, it is not recommended.
I totally agree with the facts you've presented about salaries in the Finance industry. That's the truth we're facing with. I was shocked to see how much more money a junior medicine grad could make compared to a finacne grad.
@@cathytang8422 Salary being the "ONLY motivation" to pursue any type of advanced study is an extremely strong (in the logical sense) condition. To satisfy the "ONLY"ness is almost impossible as I highly doubt anyone would have it as the "ONLY" motivation without trying to blend in any extra motivation, whether in a genuine or a morally comforting way. Hence, if you were indeed to impose the "ONLY"ness which is a close to impossible condition then of course you would be in a very safe position unable to be argued against at all as the condition is very rare and would almost never come true to lead to the violation of the advice you would then be suggesting. Furthermore, in the video she never said "ONLY" in the salary section. I am also sure that contextually, the audience are not caring about this "ONLY"ness strong logical condition case, but a broader picture of whether salary is a major factor in the consideration. A more down-to-earth consideration for the general public would be "Did my doctor trying to treat me become a doctor with money as a big motivating factor? If the pay was no more than that of the mainland China average, would they still be willing to dedicate themselves out of the noble ideal of saving lives to study medicine?" rather than "Did my doctor become a doctor ONLY because of money?". Instead of copy-and-pasting what numerous medical professors in HK have said in admission talks, she could have definitely addressed this point better. Every field has their own pressure, but to think the pressure faced by top finance people is less than by physicians is a strong indicator of negligence to what the financial industry is really about.
Ah Wing is only a medical student. She does not really know she would actually do when she really becomes a doctor. She has not even been paid once as a student! I think her point was, no body whose family is already rich would spend years studying just to be a doctor, because after all, a doctor earns money from working, and no one becomes really rich from selling their time to earn a salary. You see the tycoons and the super rich in Hong Kong. Their kids do not go to medical school and become a doctor or a professor. Why? That is because, to them, it is not worth the time! I think for the poorer kids with the ability, it would be a good profession to earn a decent living, even better than working in finance. But to really be rich, do not become a doctor or a banker; start your own business like Li Ka Shing or Jack Ma, or work your self to power like John Lee Ka-chiu who did not need to study as hard as a doctor but did definitely earn more than most doctors. As for the salary problem, I do think that medicine is currently the only profession that provides monetary rewards to those with the ability to study. That is why most students who study well go for medicine in Hong Kong. For other professions like mathematics or sciences, they really take talent and hard work to do well. Although they are important, no body in a free market will pay you money for basic research. You are doing it for pure interest and discovery. On the other hand, medicine has this aspect of science. But in a capitalist system only some humans have money. And only the expert who studies and cures human diseases get the pay, while those who can cure other animals and plants do not. Is a hard to study the pathology or plants and ants? Absolutely. But you will not make a lot of money to be able to cure plants and ants, because they do not have money! Also there are people in Africa who get malaria or night blindness from vitamin A deficiency. But since they do not have money, they do not get cured! This is also a problem of capitalism: talents work towards satisfying the needs of those who have money. You see those who cure the disease of the rich get significantly more pay: a cardiologist who treat the rich with coronary artery disease who have a fatty diet earn more than an infectious disease expert. This is a problem of capitalism. As for whether medical work is really hard, actually in real life most doctors only know their own field of practice. And most don't need to stand in the operating theatre for 8 hours except for the surgeons. Doctors can do a variety of work. For example, a pathologist only need to sit down for 8 hours a day looking at the pathological slides and write pathological reports. General practitioners only sit down and see patients in a clinic and refer those patients when necessary. After final MBBS exam, many GPs do not need to take another exam for the rest of their career. There is a choice for your life style after you graduate. You can choose a hectic life and be fully immersed into the medical field or you can be a little bit more laid back and have more life outside of medicine.
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其實每次final前日日都嚴重懷疑自己會fail💩💩
我的兒子 和同學們當年 也是一樣的 @@ahwing
加油，多謝你嘅分享，相信你都會成為一個超級好嘅醫生去幫助有需要嘅病人 💪💪
會努力迎接year four❤️❤️
你有个靓樣已係勝利組
可以同時讀醫，行山，拍yt,好勁了，同時讀書，興趣兼顧到
仲小小靚女。希望唔好捱到殘晒！
清楚分析、無懈可擊😄
加油，襯後生要試多啲野，將來先唔會後悔💪🏼💪🏼
俾心機呀Wing Wing💪努力讀醫之外都要多啲做自己喜歡嘅事😁😁
多謝支持🙈🙈
Best wishes! 願你成為一位好醫生！
多謝，會努力向唔同醫生學習！！
實習加油！
期待又怕受傷害🙈🙈
恭喜升year 4，我絕對同意賺錢應該讀金融，因為做醫護時常OT又壓力大，工作滿足感好重要，自身都深深體會，希望妳順利讀完5年做到houseman，畢業做MO。
多謝🙈🙈P.S.要讀6年🥲🥲
希望可以多一個開朗童心既醫生出現！
多謝分享，我發現咬字都幾重要，大家一齊努力同進步😊
第一次睇你嘅片，你講嘢好得意😂成條片好活潑生動
最喜歡呢種ahwing朗誦話劇FF tone講下以過來人自己讀醫經驗小分享俾未來學弟妹及自己!🎙️😂😍🎞️🤳🏻❤ ，相信ahwing經稍後一堆全方位期難雜症實習機會，會搵到自己比較多喜歡方向發展！👩🏻🎓👩🏻⚕️😘💋💋👍🏻😉
好羨慕讀書叻所以可以做醫生，又知識有智慧，要讀書真係好難，所以你好叻女，加油 靚醫生
我曾經都讀得好差、要上補底班🙈🙈
所以最緊要係用心努力做💪🏻💪🏻
加柔😁詩姐!以為你轉咗行!最近諗起你去咗邊🤗給引力法則巧神奇🤭
加油啊 靚女醫生💪🏼
但願順利通過year four😭😭
叻叻醫生，你條片好好好睇，我無意中亂入😂。
醫生救到人便是好成績!❤
Congrats on y4 and really appreciate all the insights. saying Hi from hkumed haha
Wingwing,幾時唱歌比我哋聽😆
你已經好叻了，時間分配得咁好，拍片剪片配字構思一定用了很多精神，記得注意休息啊❤❤
咁靚嘅醫生~~
通常醫生律師條件好好，樣靚、家底好、讀書叻
Very good production, would you please let me know what camera did you use to take this RUclips?
Thank you🙈🙈I used Canon EOS M50
師姐加油❤
大家一齊加油💪🏻💪🏻
加油呀 我已經頂唔緊 做左7年RN同HA講byebye 😂
INTJ路過🤭思路真係好似😂
Over there in Hong Kong, do you need to write essays and personal statement about why you want to be a doctor?
Yes ofc~ I think every university will require applicants to do so🤔
人生經驗+ 多角度思考+ 落地做, 比所有事重要
Thank you for your sincere sharing and i hope you can achieve your dreams as well 🎉💪🏼 you must have very good time management! Support ~~
Thank you!!🙈🙈
想问吓读不了chem医科是不是无望了😢
Yr1讀到有d迷惘, final仲chur過DSE（讀既某N展）
自己成個Year1淨係係到讀書，同我想像既大學只係係度玩到昏天地暗差得有d遠😢。yr1就咁就完啦😢
可能可以問下senior點讀會好啲？因為我都係year one最迷💩💩但慢慢習慣之後反而覺得year 2, 3 final仲好過去考DSE，當然去到clinical years我都要將全部野重新學過適應過，不過相信上堂之前做多啲準備會慢慢變好！加油～～
@@ahwing thxxx
Engine 表示：沒有最chur只有更chur 如果唔係點解有人話engine 俾狗讀😂
Work hard play hard 加油
唉，而家year 1都係只係讀死書，好大壓力😢
利申醫療科
Year 1真係好大轉變😢😢我嗰時都好唔慣，儘量搵下有咩興趣/新喜好，無論幾辛苦幾大壓力，都要比自己抽離下💪🏻💪🏻
一個字: 勁！
自己做過醫院文員，如果想忙真係入龍頭醫院比較好，不過開頭做houseman真係咩野都隊比你食，姑娘都可以罵你
🥺🥺wing 姐姐就好，讀書成績好又靚女
其實我真係唔算讀得好好，有啲人又dean list又玩好多活動🙈🙈佢哋背後付出咗嘅努力我未必想像中同做到～～
好靚女嘅醫科生，羨慕😊
頭髮長左更加靚女🤗 又靚又叻
小妹妹真心讀醫仲有時間拍片😢
所以平時日日摺喺屋企🤣🤣
@@ahwing 我个仔晚晚讀到一，兩点，特別考試前
Hi Wing, I would like to talk about the point of salary as a motivation to pursue medicine.
First let's look from a broader perspective, why do the top students from HK and Japan cluster together to rush into medicine, while the top students from mainland China of much higher caliber instead choose other fields (pure science, finance, IT) that are not medicine? Have you thought about why, when a major difference lies in the pay of physicians in the two groups?
Second, the argument of "If you want to earn money you better study finance. The pay does not justify the numerous exams and long working hours" is not very solid. It is a commonly thrown out argument by many HK medical professors in their admission talks, yet rarely sustained with solid proof and evidence. It is a means to keep themselves on the moral high ground, something to isolate themselves from the potential motivation of money. Let's look at the reality, HK physician has an average monthly salary of 60-120k HKD. On the other hand, not everyone in finance makes that much money. Only a select few can get into top-tier investment banks and even within them you need certain years of experience to reach the level of 60-120k HKD. Most ibankers rarely have a salary exceeding 80k HKD. Now, the majority of finance graduates will have a salary fluctuating around 20k HKD, and it takes years of climbing of corporate ladder to reach 40k. A director with a lot of years of experience, qualifications, networking connections commanding a large group of employees and having a ton of responsibilities, of a regular mid-large company only makes slightly over 100k usually, and many do not make over 80k. While new medical graduate can easily make an amount close to that, and in years especially with specialization can get over a director's pay. Furthermore, the working hours in finance is by no means any better than in medicine. There are top firms that follow the 996 routine, there are ones in HK that have OT even worse than 996. Not to mention you face huge pressure and tight schedules, these are not any better than medicine especially if you work at an ibank. The pressure placed upon doctors also depends a lot on their specialty, the private and public sector, and their reputation. You would not expect a senior private plastic surgeon in HK earning > 3m HKD annually to have higher working pressure than a public hospital ER physician or a typical ibanker.
To think finance is a better money-maker than medicine is in itself a delusion and a good way to bypass any moral condemnation associated with pursuing medicine due to money.
This is not to say you or every medical student jumps into the field with money as the main motivator, but I doubt you can simply dismiss it as a major factor.
I think you have misinterpreted what she has said. I don't think she has ever mentioned "If you want to earn money you better study finance. The pay does not justify the numerous exams and long working hours" in this video as well. She means if the salary is the ONLY motivation, medicine is definitely not an option. Salary is always a concern for pursuing any field undeniably. Yet, it is difficult to withstand the pressure of taking medicine and becoming a doctor if you are not interested in and dedicated to medicine. It takes so much time and effort than any other occupation to be qualified. Also, being a doctor is not only a high-paying job when human lives are at stake. Therefore, salary can be one of the major factors but cannot be the only factor for pursuing medicine. Of course, I do believe that some people do pursue medicine just due to salary. Yet, it is not recommended.
I totally agree with the facts you've presented about salaries in the Finance industry. That's the truth we're facing with. I was shocked to see how much more money a junior medicine grad could make compared to a finacne grad.
@@cathytang8422 Salary being the "ONLY motivation" to pursue any type of advanced study is an extremely strong (in the logical sense) condition. To satisfy the "ONLY"ness is almost impossible as I highly doubt anyone would have it as the "ONLY" motivation without trying to blend in any extra motivation, whether in a genuine or a morally comforting way. Hence, if you were indeed to impose the "ONLY"ness which is a close to impossible condition then of course you would be in a very safe position unable to be argued against at all as the condition is very rare and would almost never come true to lead to the violation of the advice you would then be suggesting.
Furthermore, in the video she never said "ONLY" in the salary section. I am also sure that contextually, the audience are not caring about this "ONLY"ness strong logical condition case, but a broader picture of whether salary is a major factor in the consideration. A more down-to-earth consideration for the general public would be "Did my doctor trying to treat me become a doctor with money as a big motivating factor? If the pay was no more than that of the mainland China average, would they still be willing to dedicate themselves out of the noble ideal of saving lives to study medicine?" rather than "Did my doctor become a doctor ONLY because of money?". Instead of copy-and-pasting what numerous medical professors in HK have said in admission talks, she could have definitely addressed this point better.
Every field has their own pressure, but to think the pressure faced by top finance people is less than by physicians is a strong indicator of negligence to what the financial industry is really about.
Ah Wing is only a medical student. She does not really know she would actually do when she really becomes a doctor. She has not even been paid once as a student! I think her point was, no body whose family is already rich would spend years studying just to be a doctor, because after all, a doctor earns money from working, and no one becomes really rich from selling their time to earn a salary. You see the tycoons and the super rich in Hong Kong. Their kids do not go to medical school and become a doctor or a professor. Why? That is because, to them, it is not worth the time! I think for the poorer kids with the ability, it would be a good profession to earn a decent living, even better than working in finance. But to really be rich, do not become a doctor or a banker; start your own business like Li Ka Shing or Jack Ma, or work your self to power like John Lee Ka-chiu who did not need to study as hard as a doctor but did definitely earn more than most doctors.
As for the salary problem, I do think that medicine is currently the only profession that provides monetary rewards to those with the ability to study. That is why most students who study well go for medicine in Hong Kong. For other professions like mathematics or sciences, they really take talent and hard work to do well. Although they are important, no body in a free market will pay you money for basic research. You are doing it for pure interest and discovery. On the other hand, medicine has this aspect of science. But in a capitalist system only some humans have money. And only the expert who studies and cures human diseases get the pay, while those who can cure other animals and plants do not. Is a hard to study the pathology or plants and ants? Absolutely. But you will not make a lot of money to be able to cure plants and ants, because they do not have money! Also there are people in Africa who get malaria or night blindness from vitamin A deficiency. But since they do not have money, they do not get cured! This is also a problem of capitalism: talents work towards satisfying the needs of those who have money. You see those who cure the disease of the rich get significantly more pay: a cardiologist who treat the rich with coronary artery disease who have a fatty diet earn more than an infectious disease expert. This is a problem of capitalism.
As for whether medical work is really hard, actually in real life most doctors only know their own field of practice. And most don't need to stand in the operating theatre for 8 hours except for the surgeons. Doctors can do a variety of work. For example, a pathologist only need to sit down for 8 hours a day looking at the pathological slides and write pathological reports. General practitioners only sit down and see patients in a clinic and refer those patients when necessary. After final MBBS exam, many GPs do not need to take another exam for the rest of their career. There is a choice for your life style after you graduate. You can choose a hectic life and be fully immersed into the medical field or you can be a little bit more laid back and have more life outside of medicine.
Honestly the fact that she mentions salary as a motivation factor so publicly here is already quite uncommon
叻女
其實做到平衡，真比覺得你叻
請問你可唔可以講：你一日平均係溫幾耐習的？純粹八卦下，多謝你～
同埋可唔可以講埋：你係用咩（程式）剪片的？謝謝你
我又唔會特別計今日溫咗幾耐，總之每星期都溫一次嗰個星期教嘅lecture，有時間淨就剪片寫稿🤣🤣嗰個星期難啲就要溫耐啲🙈🙈
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@@ahwing 謝謝你~🙏
簡單一個問題，如果在香港最緊張時期例如前一兩年在傳染病房，如果是你會留守公立醫院誠心救人嗎？
出咗嚟做就會有你跟開嘅病人，當然唔會揼低佢哋
@@ahwing ❤❤👍
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佩服每位醫護❤️❤️
牙wing暫時有冇打算入邊個專科？
本身對neurosur同ENT都有D興趣所以去咗attach，睇完亦都會想了解更多🙈🙈但真係唔知自己能力上得唔得，同埋我可能去多幾個department又有新諗法🤣🤣實在太多科可以揀！！
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無睇阿wing 年幾 印象中好文靜 估唔到係呢個style!
呢個叫做咩style🤣🤣
@@ahwing 豪爽？健談？
@@ahwing btw 你咁叫內向?
@@kankantona9070 我自己一個對住鏡頭仲自在過對人，基本上多過兩個人嘅聚會就唔太想去😂平時都鍾意自己拿拿臨食完lunch做野多過成班人傾下食咩同出去食
@@ahwing 咁你又參加造星，咁多人識又唔熟，果d場合真係社恐發作
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妳final year, 選擇做外科？Well , 我支持妳。
未呀，仲有成兩年要讀🤣🤣
只係自己做attachment攞多啲exposure，好彩成功畢業到都仲要去內科外科兩邊實習～
加油，我的兒在港大 剛畢業， 開始做內科實習醫生，on call 36 @@ahwing
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Like💕
你話點解下年唔會再係CU出現嘅？🥲
因為上堂會去威院、出ward又喺唔同醫院🤣
@@ahwing 原來係咁😂仲以為你要走添🙊
如果係咁呢條片會變咗Bye Bye Medic🤣🤣
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原來你都係intj
你兩隻兔隻牙, 好QQ呀😆😍😘😉🙃
多謝你嘅讚賞，但其實我努力箍咗牙一年半整走佢😢😢
@@ahwing 箍牙係可以整走兔仔牙? 不過我覺得隻牙無傷害緊你, 整唔走又唔洗太介意, 你以家已經好靚女喇😍😃
唔知你識唔識Twice 既Nayeon, 佢應該係磨走定用其他方法整走左兔仔牙, 有部分fans 就話佢無左以前甜美既笑容
係PWH見唔到妳❓
威院咁大好難撞到🤣🤣
其實係香港做醫生最難係保持到初心，我眼見公院果D醫生十有八九都做到滑晒牙，淨係關心使唔使孭鑊多過病人既利益。十問九唔應，肯答都係Hea覆多。
我唔可以代任何人答、亦都唔清楚你遇到嘅實際情況，不過有時候醫生巡訪係睇返自己跟開嘅patient，可能隔離床嘅patient佢哋都唔清楚，亦都唔想比D未必係最適合嗰位patient嘅資訊，所以會叫家屬等相關嘅主診醫生。我自己未正式出ward，exposure唔係好大，但暫時呢個係我觀察到既～
同埋我跟咗幾位醫生去OPD，佢哋都會好好咁答曬所有問題，我本來都以為5分鐘就會"趕人走" (好多人咁形容)，但其實個個都睇超過5分鐘。所以我覺得仲有好多好有heart嘅醫生，雖然業都未畢，但我會想變成佢哋咁，呢樣我都要學習～～
當然我都唔否認有醫生可能已經失去左團火，始終三日一call呢D真係挑戰緊人體極限，所以我都只可以多D提醒自己～～
肯開金口叫家屬問主診已經萬幸，我遇到既多數係扮聽唔到，dup抵頭寫完野就速閃。點都好，我只係希望全香港嘅醫生當就嚟發病人或病人家屬脾氣嘅時候，諗吓如果個病人係自己嘅親人，將心比己一下，有時候病人嘅心理一樣重要。
好似明星
跟NS?
你只係金錢的奴隸
其實跟過吓出嚟做嘅醫生護士，見到佢哋成日on call返shift就唔會講呢句，要賺錢真係做生意學投資好過，亦到歡迎睇曬成條片先comment～～
@@ahwing 畢到業先算 bb
呢句就啱🤣🤣我長期都講😛😛
所以我片入邊都提係暫時做到
@@ahwing 你想唔想add 我🤨
@@陳華楝 你開口就得罪人，正常人都唔想add你
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