Manchester & Salford. Five trivial historic relics.
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- In this video we are in Manchester UK looking at five trivial historic relics. Firstly we are in Openshaw looking at an Industrial railway or the remains of it. Where the railway tracks went along the main road to English Steel. We even have a picture of the Industrial locomotive. Then we move on to Manchester city centre to look at the Goulden Street Police and fire station. A victorian police station. Onwards to Angel meadow a site of extreme poverty to look at the remains of an old Victorian building. Then on to Salford to look at the remains of a tramway and a landslide that closed the tramway. Finally we look at the remains of a bridge that was another industrial tramway of the Lancashire coal field. this is a Manchester history tour video.
Smiths covers by Dean. Facebook/sensorytriggered. Artwork Danny Ranks ruclips.net/user/DannyRanks
fantastic tracks to accompany the video.
Martin 🧠💙💪🙏 thank you for making this video ….can’t hide everything Can they 🙃
At about 14:00 you mention your explore vid of the Irk River Tunnel. Can you give a link, I'd love to see it. Thank you!
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Martin, A true Historian will always get excited over "Small Trivial Relics." This video really takes me back to your early work, I mean that in a good way. As always a enjoyable and fun watch. You are one great local historian.
Completely agree.
I was born in Hr Broughton in 1964 ,the landslide or Lanny as we call it was our play ground as kids .Been back even in the last couple of years ,the tram tracks went up along Great Clowes street which gets its name from Captain Clowes who owned most of the land in the area including Clowes park ,aka Broughton park or the duck park for short .The landslide occurred in the 1920s and later again in the 30,s ,it was caused by soil erosion due to the rain water run off coming down from the areas further up the road .The weight of the trams further accelerated the collapse of the road .Those houses who see along the path away could at any moment go down the hill too .The massive amount of the trees you see today was not there at the time of the landslide as they planted afterwards to stop the soil erosion .The dressed stones you were seeing were part of the grand mansion houses that once stood in the valley before it collapsed ,there was a road way into the valley further up Bury new road .The grand houses were built by the Greeks in the 1820s who were related to the British royal family and also the Heaton family who owned Heaton park etc ,this explains the Greek church further down the road .Scarr wheel further along the river bank to your left down Lower Broughton is famous also but thats another story .Over looking and across from the irwell on what was the well known Manchester racecourse site which closed in the 60s ,my great grandparents were the stewards of the site for years .In local knowledge a murder also took place down the lanny with the victim found in a drain culvert in the 70s ,spent a lot of my youth down the lanny back in the 70s .Right at the bottom on the rivers edge is redbank and back in the scorching hot summer of 76 we actually walked across the irwell ,i was 12 at the time ! Hr Broughton has more history than most places .
Great knowledge pal, my old man is also from Higher Broughton, he told me the landslide happened due to the area running right over the Pendleton fault. Have you heard anything about that ?
I often wondered why the land at the back of my final posting at Broughton Fire Station was always known as the Lanny. In my day it was just a means for the local scores to get into the station whilst we were out or even one day when we were in to nick what they could carry.
I was also born at the cliff, 325 Gt Clowes street in 1966. The house was huge as was the garden. Loved playing out on cobbled street both Gt Clowes and used to go for walks along the Lanny with my sister's. Also loved the sound of car wheels on cobbles.
You could see MANU training ground from Lany.
There's been some good stuff on your channel this year, but for me this is the best. Bite size snippets of gold, so interesting, brilliant 👍 Thanks Martin and team, have a great Christmas 🎅
I totally agree. Your passion brings it all to life.
Loved this Martin, not trivial to me. Particularly the Kersal Vale piece. Just off the map you showed in the bottom right was a grand house called Cliff House, long since demolished . Canon (at Manchester Cathedral) Oswald Seargant lived there and in his employment in 1841 was Isaac Sumner an ancestor of mine who worked at the house as a butler. His family lived in the poorer area of Lower Broughton. I have pored over maps of the area for many years and knew there had been landslips in the past. I remember walking around the area quite a few years ago to get a feel of the place. I think it's an amazing area, for instance did you know just over Bury new Road from Kersal Vale at Northumberland St there was a short lived Zoo , long before Belle Vue was even thought of.
Martin, it's hard not to catch your infectious enthusiasm. I didn't know Manchester at all until I started watching your channel but I find it so fascinating. Your first 'trivial' relic was actually really touching, having seen the photographs of how Redby Street/Wood Street once looked. And even a little mystery with the name change. That on its own is interesting. If you ever find out why, please let us know! There was actually nothing trivial about any of the treasures you showed us. It's living history and I loved it!
Very well put Miss Merrily !!
I live across the pond, in Arizona, and a couple of years ago I stumbled upon a short video about the history of St. Michael's Flags and Angel Meadow. It intrigued me enough to search for more and that's how I found your channel. You have the BEST urban exploration channel on RUclips, and today's video is a prime example of the things I find most fascinating about Manchester. And there are HUNDREDS of things like that in the metro area!
Even though I live thousands of miles away, in the year or so I've been subscribed, I've watched so much about Manchester that I've come to feel I know it well, like a second home. There's so much physical history there - it really started to be eradicated at the end of the 20th century, but there's just enough left that people are starting to catch on how important it is to preserve what's left.
I know Manchester has really been booming again in the last decade or so, and that's dangerous to a lot of these sites. I'm quite salty about the development right around Angel Meadow because anything old that close to the city center is really at risk at being torn down. It makes me fear for the remains of the sunday school wall you found along Gould Street. They've already put up apartments where a car park used to be, and discovered in preparation the ruins/remains of slums of terraced housing from the early/mid 19th century that had been paved over. Of course they completely demolished everything.
Really loved the bits with the wall at Angel Meadow and Redby St. Fascinating work.
It really breaks my heart to see my city being torn up , I park my car at stude hill car park adjacent to angel meadow right next to that chimney of the old police and fire station then I’m shopping etc as I live in Middleton , so I drive the Rochdale road there and back , and one time I found myself walking around the fencing of the construction site to see all the old slums and courtyard foundations , and I just wish that one day we have someone in charge that could put glass over it as a flooring instead of asphalt ,
I’m glad you love my hometown
I too live 'across the pond' but my Mum and family is from Collyhurst. I agree that you are an amazing urban explorer! I would love to meet you one day when I come to visit family. Hopefully summer of 2022! Keep up the great work Martin! Thank you!
come and visit us in the North West you'll love it here, its a bit grey but we are friendly 😉
Virtually every industrial city in Britain will have similar relics. I am from Coventry and know of many in that area. Also nearby Birmingham would be a veritable treasure trove of relics from the past. As time passes though, more and more of the relics disappear forever.
For anyone who cares to know regarding the Stephenson and Hawthorn 0-4-0 ST:
0-4-0 is the wheel arrangement - 0 leading wheels, 4 driving and 0 trailing wheels. Being such a small and relatively slow locomotive, leading and trailing wheels were not necessary.
ST refers to 'saddle tank' in that the water tank is, if you like, draped over the top of the boiler like a saddle is over a horse's back.
Knowing the history of one's hometown gives one a greater appreciation for it. How the place formed and came together, the struggles it faced, and the progress its made. One thing that is obvious, is how your heart is breaking due to all the "progress" that is being made in Manchester.
I live in Nashville, Tennessee and this place is EXPLODING with people and development. The city is, as you say, a shadow of its former self. So much of what made Nashville, Nashville; the unique places and monumental events which gives historical context to where we have been, is being lost or already has been. I feel we are kindred spirits in that regard.
Martin your video is absolutely splendid!!! I am already on my second viewing. These places are a treasure. Thank you for sharing with the rest of us.
It's funny you mention Nashville. When Martin showed the tracks in the abandoned street, I thought about how here in Nashville, the city tore up a perfectly good street to get at the old tracts buried under the asphalt because pre-nuclear steel is worth enough money to make all that expense worth it. Overall though I don't hate everything about the city's growth. I think it's funny that when I was in college 20+ years ago all the guys from the bigger cities made fun of where I'm from. Now people from Chicago, Detroit, etc are either vacationing here, or moving here.
Nashville has turned blue. Thats never a good thing.
@@jailbird1133 Every mayor of Nashville has been a democrat since at least Briley who was elected in 1963
@@Odin029 they werent leftists, decades ago. Now they are.
@@Odin029 and there were conservative and moderate Democrats. The progressives took over and pulled the party leftward.
Oh my god Martin, this one is pure quality. As soon as I saw the thumbnail for this I knew exactly where you were and couldn't wait to watch it. As I watched more I also couldn't believe where else you'd been.
I took pics of Redby Street about 10 years ago, mesmerised by it after years of driving past it on the way to work. Ashton Old Road is a series in itself. From Edge Lane to Pin Mill Brow there must only be three or four original buildings left; two miles of complete decimation over the years. Prime example is your old map at 5:00, virtually everything is gone, including on that map Whitworth Hall and the Public Baths (shamefully lost only a couple of years ago); the Lads Club is just about standing but it needs saving.
So onto Angel Meadows and the first thing I spot in the photo of the old Sunday School is the mullioned windows, and was praying that it was those you'd start to talk about. So chuffed that you then walked round to Gould Street. I took photos of those same old windows quite possibly on the same photo session 10 years ago. I was in awe and wonder then, and still am when I drive past now. How brilliant that you've provided all that backstory for us. A joy to watch. Also great that you were back round the old police station too.
These trivia relics videos are brilliant, so many things to show and document around Manchester. I know you're only one guy and you've no doubt got an ever-growing wish list of things to film, but I'm craving even more of these. Amazing as ever mate.
And all the pubs along AOR, now only 2 remain,,,,,progress? My fat hairy arse!
Martin. Thank you so much for the English Steel footage. My father worked there in the 50s and 60s as transport manager. I always wondered what sort of place it was. I knew he was responsible for shipping their goods out all over the world and he would sometimes come home inebriated when he’d been invited on board ship. Anyway thanks again.
As I have mentioned before, Martin, as a Londoner then I find London's history is both important and very interesting, but clearly so well matched by that of Manchester's too. I never cease to be amazed at what you have discovered, in and around Manchester, over the past few years, your work is both very valuable and important too.
Loved this video, Martin. Trivial things can usually turn out to be the most interesting things.
A great job of cataloguing some ephemeral history, too.
Dean's music was the icing on the cake.
Nice one.
The railings off walls were removed for the war effort during the 1940's. There's many examples all over the UK were you can see bits of iron sticking out of flagstones all the way along the entirety of walls that used to have tall railings running along them. Even some park entrances that were huge structures made of iron were taken away and melted down to make war-related machines.
Warrington Town Hall gates (aka the golden gates) escaped this fate as did the gates of my local Church, St Bartholomews in Rainhill, although the original railings were lost & only replaced in the 80s to minimise trespass & vandalism.
I read somewhere, some years back.... That the removal of railings etc was more of a morale booster..." Doing it for the War Effort".
A sort of publicity stunt..............
I was always somehow sceptical as I would have thought that 'old iron' was not really suitable for armour...but maybe to replace damaged railway lines...or some such? Can anyone throw any further light on this?
Be much appreciated..... I remember well how all the stumps were left from my childhood....from many civic places in and around Manchester.
All over Coventry virtually every metal railing was cut off. A great shame as you can imagine how much prettier all the walls would have been with their original railings in place. But the metal was needed for the war effort. My parents said they were told they would be compensated but of course no compensation was ever paid.
@@patagualianmostly7437 old iron makes new steel
@@patagualianmostly7437 twas all dumped off in the Thames.
Biggest CON ever.
The Openshaw part brought back some memories. In 1964 I started my apprenticeship at Depot Engineering in Clayton. I rode my bike from home in Longsight to work and passed English Steel every day. At that time the steam locos were still in use. I still remember them crossing the road.
Perfect Video. Perfect Music A Sunday treat. Detailed and explained History.Trains! Brick! No distractions. No moustache boys. " There is a Light that never goes out ".
Another great video Martin. I am a Yorkshireman who was exiled to East Manchester in the early '90s for work and fell in love with this great city. There is nothing trivial about these finds - truly evocative hints of a great industrial past. I really hope that the continued development of the city is carried forward in way that is sympathetic with its heritage and allows future generations to feel the true identity of where they live. (lovely doff of the cap towards The Smiths too!) Thanks!
Really interesting Martin I loved the cobbled street with the rails on and still in remarkable condition hopefully they will integrate it into the redevelopment I really hope so, I find it heartbreaking to see these old relics of the past just brushed aside.
I used to go down the 'cliff' or the 'landslide' a lot when we were kids. I suspect that pipe discharged right into the Irwell. Rainwater drain probably or even sewage. The river stunk in the 1960s and quite often white foam blew off the river. I think you can even see that happening on one of the scenes in the film 'Hobson's Choice', the courting scene filmed near the weir at Peel Park. I didn't get to the bit about fountains! You're probably right.
I have just found your channel and I’m loving it. My Mum was born in Salford in 1905, my Father in Manchester in 1905. I’m 81. Coincidentally, I have just started reading Dean Kirby’s book about Angel Meadow. I’ve been researching my family history, and discovered that one of my ancestors was one of the first of Manchester’s Police Constables. I’m off now to watch the rest of your video’s. Thanks very much!
Another great Video especially the English Steel Redby Street piece.
The photo of the train was taken on my 13th Birthday .
You was unsure of the engineering factory .
It couldnt have been Crossley brothers could it.?
Or was that further doen the Road before Grey Mare lane.?
Crossley's was further along whitworth street, between Clayton Lane and Grey Mare Lane. The wood street line went into The former Sir Joseph Whitworth works. Amongst other things He created the Standard Whitworth thread. He left the bulk of his fortune for the benefit of education in manchester. hence the many roads, parks educational places are named for him. His works on Whitworth street was later occupied by Security Rock Bits who produced drilling bits for oil and gas drilling. Sadly all gone now
No particular favourites, but my attention was got at the mention of Openshaw.. Openshaw is inexorably linked with one of my personal favourite modern military historic sites. There were three such wartime sites that were commissioned in the UK, but Portsdown Hill is the one I know best.
Openshaw was the home of "Ferguson & Palin" - Manufacturers of industrial electrical switchgear, joint boxes and electromechanical control equipment. Ferguson & Palin were commissioned by the WD to equip the fuel oil storage depots at Portsdown Hill, Inchindown and Lyness. There were other, pre-existing, and later additional sites. I don't know if Ferguson & Palin were involved in those, but I see no reason for them not to be.
In the 'big three' depots, there were hugely monstrous pumps to move the oil to and from the storage tanks. Again, I can't say if Ferguson & Palin built the pumps, but the electrical control gear was definitely all theirs.
Ferguson & Palin were eventually absorbed into GEC in the 1960s, and then GEC was absorbed into AEI. I'm not sure when the Openshaw works was closed, but I seem to recall 1967 being mentioned, somewhere along my researches.
Among the last British naval vessels to be supplied by the Ferguson & Palin equipment were the Leander class frigates, and the Royal Yacht "Britannia". Ferguson & Palin may have disappeared in the 1960s, but their electrical equipment lasted from being commissioned in 1939, until it was finally decommissioned in 1993. Not a bad record for equipment that was hastily installed for wartime, and a definite feather in the cap of a smaller northern industrial company entirely based in Manchester.
It would be interesting to discover if anything remains of the Ferguson & Palin works, and it is so tempting to ponder the possibility that some of the steel products from the English Steel works might have been destined for Ferguson & Palin.
Ferguson and Palin was demolished recently and the area is being built on at the moment.
GEC wasn't absorbed into AEI. AEI was absorbed into GEC. I know because I worked for GEC and worked on the closure of the AEI factory in London.
Just waiting for a bronze Ford Cortina to pull up.
My mother remembered the train hauling wagons to & from the steel works in Openshaw. FYI she also told me about seeing gun barrels (she always described them as "Battleship gun barrels) across Rochdale Road from Sudell Street during WW2. When I was young I remember the train tracks that crossed there & once our bus (a number 17) was held up by a train actually crossing the road. This would have been around 1962-65 & I don't recall it happening again.
OMG Martin!! When I commented earlier on Instagram and mentioned that my ancestors lived on Old Mount Street next to Angel Meadow in the 1850s, I never imagined that one of the places in this video would be exactly there!!!! So yes, the Angel Meadow bit was my favourite . I wonder if any of my ancestors attended that Sunday School ??
Another amazing video Martin ....feels like one of your classic episodes already!!
All the best, Lee from Wiltshire. ( But Mancunian at heart)
Just looking at the 1892-1914 map of the area seems like the tram line had been singled past the slipping point. It maybe have been double track right along Great Clowes Street but by 1892 the road was bad enough for one line to have been lifted. Now those 'heavy' trams which weighed all of 5 tons being propelled by two 25 hp motors. Not exactly the great lumbering beasts that you may think. Brilliant stuff Martin. I really enjoyed that, thanks for making.
Great Clowes Street collapsed in 1927, I lived in lower broughton as a child in the 1950s, We spent many happy hours playing in the Landslide, as we knew it, no health & safety in them days.
Really interesting stuff Martin, I share your joy. Loved the Smiths covers as usual, been listening to their stuff just recently, its really stood the test of time.
Love this. Why can’t “Redby Street” be cleared as a walk through and maintained as a part of our history. I now live in Australia, a place with very little history, and I love diving back into history every time I get back.
They probably have some grand plan for that land. But you are right, it would be neat to save that little bit of history.
Martian, a brilliant job of showing us the remnants of the past. I liked St. Michael's. Especially when you used those lights to highlight what is left of the building. Just beautiful.
Fab video Martin 😁, good to see Danny, and Dean providing the music. It always gives me a buzz to see rails still in the road. Sad to see the old pictures of communities that have long since gone. Thanks once again 😀
I can see why finding these small things excite you, and why you love them, because I loved seeing them too, adored the cobble streets and tracks, the fragments of glass still in the windows, all these years on, the old gate post and cone shape at it's base, and the old photos, another gem of a video, from your fantastic channel, thanks Martin I really enjoyed this.
Absolutely brilliant video ! Historical reporting at its best !! Well done Martin !
Martin the glass remnants Dean spotted in the frame are the same as over here in NZ the only thing I could think of is the kids need light to read and write, but the religious leaders didn't want the kids distracted by being able to see outside. the wire inside the glass would have been an early form of safety glass. The pipe would would have been the supply of water to the fountains for sure, but what pressurize it maybe worth another visit thanks for this episode.
Thank you for the bonus Irk part. I hope there will be more on Irk in the future. I know, I am probably a bit "special", being a Swede who loves a river in Manchester that I have never seen in real life.
In regards of rivers and landslides. People tend to forget how much dirt a river will be moving every year, and that must be replaced in the end. This will cause any loose dirt on the banks to start to flow into the river, and over time any dirt river side will suffer from landslides. Natures bulldozer of sorts.
Absolutely brilliant Martin. Right up my street, that. Just like the Martin videos of your early days. I wish we had someone like you around Birmingham & the Black Country doing this stuff. It’s the small things that matter. I’ve seen bits of old wall round where I live & have wondered what it was. I keep thoughts like that to myself, as people will think I’m mad!
Fantastic. Enjoyed every minute.
Birmingham would be a fantastic place to do videos like this.
bout time we saw you back on t railway , thought you was going down t drain
Hi Martin
I used to live at Castle Irwell Student Village in the early 1980's. I did some research on the area, as the Student Village was on the site of an old racecourse. The land slip in Great Clowes Street was in some old newspaper articles. A tram came off the tracks and down the bank towards the river. I am not sure of the date, or how many people were injured. It would make an interesting topic for you to look into. Something I have not thought about for 40+ years.
Thanks for your video, it's the small stuff that sometimes leads to more interesting features.
Great finds, yes these are little gems, historically it's incredible these finds are still here!
I grew up in a street like Redby Street, small little 2 up 2 down back to back terraced housing with no bathroom, from the same era long since demolished. We moved to much more modern council housing.
Years later I visited that street where I grew up and it was interesting to see they hadn't built over them, it was just waste land but I could still see where our front door step was, just that little reminder was quite emotional to see, to think I had stepped on that each time we went in our little house.
Ever since I always look at derelict or abandoned buildings in a different way, these were once peoples homes or work places and I can appreciate the history etc
I've found like old railway infrastructure by roads where the railway has long since gone, the old bridge abutments and track side brick work will often be integrated into existing road side walls etc
We moved from a terraced street into council as well
Martin, re: Openshaw engineering sites. My father said that the "tramway" was to move forgings betweening the two sites on either side of the main road, and this was still happening in the 1930s; when he did his engineering apprenticeship at Crossleys ( which had it's buildings at the junction between Ashton Old Road and what was Forge Lane is now Alan Turing Way).
It strikes me that the "chimney" at the police & fire station in city center does not seem to have the traditional chimney pots normally found on old English chimneys. Could this structure have been the hose drying tower for the fire service? Hoses of the period were canvas and had to be toughly dried after use to avoid rot and avoid premature failure. GREAT video!
They may only be little snippets, and I live other side of the pennines, but you really make it super interesting. You certainly do your homework while producing these videos, and it really shows in your superb productions.
That was great Martin, thank you, and thanks too Danny. Amazing how little remnants of the past find their way into our time. When I look at a modern google map of the area I grew up in (C-on-M) around the junction of Upper Brook St and Hathersage Rd near Victoria Baths, it's amazing what has survived and what hasn't.
I did that too...and Wood Street, Openshaw, jumped out.... and there they were: The railway lines on Redby/Derby St.... Amazing stuff.
(I'm pretty sure I swam in Victoria Baths when I was a trainee Fireman...for GMC...1975...Trained at London Road, Piccadilly....Now, that is a glorious piece of architecture!)
Martin, will you be covering Belle Vue? Did you go? I won't ever forgive the Forte family for asset stripping it and selling the land.
I went as a child, but hardly remember it
Simply Brilliant Trivia. What a load of fun figuring our what it all is. Funny thing is, dig down more, and you'll find the Saxons, then the Romans, then the Cavemen and Caveladies. .
Hi Martin, Scotland was completely flooded earlier this year during that heavy rain storm, typical Manchester summer. The underground car park opposite where you were stood was almost completely submerged. This might be why they are exploring new flood defence options.
What to wash all this away in one swift swoop.
It proper stunk around that area after the flood too. I worked on Roger Street when it occurred and the smell from that car park underground was nasty, or anging to put it another way. I don't blame them for trying to make the bottom of the river lower as its already quite high when it rains in a normal season.
Hi Martin my farther was born in Wood Street and worked at Vickers up till the end of the war. I served my time 15 year old till 21 now called English steel
until 1961 and the Steam engine was painted Green. I love your channel and watch you from Sunny South Africa
Don't play down these finds, they're all incredibly interesting, the information you provide from your research enhances your videos tenfold.
Another video that has the magic. Angel Meadow is my favourite park in Manchester and love how much history there is.
#MartinZero Nails in the windows at angle meadow, it could be the black out system from ww2
It’s just amazing looking at “English Steel” (That name would be considered politically incorrect today) with the Gate house guard outside. Look at the area today…. Where has the pride gone? I live 10min away from there and I’ve got a lump in my throat looking at those photos. Great work Mark 👍
Zero Fox.... You need to ask..."Where has the pride gone?" Do you really need to ask?
Look again at those photos that Martin posted: Hardly a shred of litter.... People scrubbed their doorsteps: Took pride in their meagre assets.
Living next door to the very heavy industry.... Great locomotives were made in Openshaw.... used on railways around the world.
And all you WOKE WTATS can STFU..... We were all slaves. In Manchester. In many places in the UK.... You have no idea. Slavery continued in the UK long after Britain stopped the slave trade...... But who gets the blame? "Britain". Simply because Britain had the largest Empire. Let us remember: FACT: EVERY European Nation had "colonies"..... and not all were as benign as the British. Who gave education, health, transport to all its colonies.
Who put an end to the slave trade? .... And... Who refused to? I rest my case.
I am sick & tired of being blamed as some kind of monster...because I am white. (And English!) White privilege? Really?
Amazing the world blames "The English".... whilst conveniently forgetting that the people who colonised their countries were actually "British".
Yes, English, aided & abetted by Scots, the Welsh & the Irish......
I don't normally go off on a rant such as this...on such a pleasurable site as Martin Zero.... I am here, like the rest of us to appreciate Manchester & other places ...History & views brought vividly up to date by his excellent work..... But your simple question: Where Has The Pride Gone.
Just triggered my anger at what the UK has become. Call me "Mr.Angry" if you must. But I can assure you.... I am NOT alone.
Love seeing these bits of history that remain, I always notice bits like this and always want to know that they used to be, keep em coming Martin 👍🏻
That was fascinating. Thanks for posting. Just BTW, I think that cobbles are round (making them difficult to walk on) and setts are square or rectangular.
Hello Martin. The streets have to change the name if there are two streets by the same name, in the same city. These are fire regulations brought in many years later after the street was built. It is in-case somebody phones up to say "there's a fire on the street" and the fire brigade go to the wrong street. I think it was a 1960s the rules were bought in. Many of the streets names were changed all over the UK at the same time.
I loved the section concerning Angel Meadow playground. It was perfect timing to capture children playing in the same area as the painting. And the tiny section starting at 23:42 featuring the clay illustration. It seems to me you've featured this artist (is it Danny?) before and it really adds a sense of humanity and pathos to your video.
Wow, that first one really has survived well, should be preserved. I must be like you, I found all that interesting lol
Thanks Martin another fantastic video, has taken me twice as long to watch than the actual running time as I had to keep pausing to look more closely at what you were showing us. I was most fascinated by the first story, I'm not from Manchester but Newcastle upon Tyne, so opened up rail map online to get a better idea of where you were talking about. You really peaked my interest with the photo of the 0-4-0 saddle tank, built by Robert Stephenson & Hawthorn Ltd as this would have been made at the Forth Bank works here in Newcastle. The factory in which many years earlier the Stephensons had developed Locomotion No.1, the Rocket, the John Bull and all their other early locomotives before moving the main engine works to Darlington ( where many years later Tornado was built). Incidentally, part of the Newcastle site is now a venue for live music and is called the Boilershop, which I feel privileged to get to work at and think about what it would have been like when George and Robert were there.
Fabulous work Martin ,true historian .I know very well that area in Openshaw , and the area where were the entrance for the 'English Steel' ,its now 'Cascade' Machining Manufactory ,and carrying on into the yard , on the other end is where im currently working ,on Thomas Storey Fabrications, JCB skips, hyd./fuel tanks , Dennis Eagle bin trucks chassis , Nifty Lift parts, are made there . Amazing to find out that all that area was 'English Steel' . Thanks for the amazing work , take care .
Clowes Street was always known in Broughton as the Landslide or the Llanny. Opposite side of the Irwell where you were stood was Manchester Racecourse.
Hard to imagine living in the terraced houses either side of Redby St.The vibration and noise. Not to mention the steam and coal smoke belching out. When i played out on the street as a kid all we had to look out for was a car, and they were few and far between. Never mind a train coming straight through your jumper goal posts.
I would of love a train going down my street
Yeah, I've visited a couple of these spots in the past, interesting to hear that about the Irk, about time they managed the waterways of Manchester properly!
There's still the old tracks and even the bases of some of the signal boxes down Ashburn Road past Bowlers Entertainment Centre, even a set of tracks crossing the road by Toolstation!
I've been to bowlers several times. To think I was that close to this lot.
@@josephinemitchell9504 I've been there a lot too, that's when I noticed the track when I drove in. I don't know when it was stopped being used, but I suspect it might have been into the 90s, or even later, either way, it's fascinating to walk and follow the line there, they've left the cobbles exposed in a few places and from the pot holes along the way, all they've done is dump tarmac over the cobbled road!
The shots of the old railway lines on Redby Street put me in mind of a similar stretch of line in Lockwood, Huddersfield. It’s even smaller, only a few feet long but it’s still there ( deliberately preserved I think) and hundreds of people pass it every day without even noticing. Thought provoking stuff. Thanks,Martin.
I really enjoyed your discovery at St Michaels flags. You present with such enthusiasm it's hard not to get hooked!!
I wonder if you will get up to the Bury Bolton canal to see if Margaret Barlows Tea rooms still stands in the garden centre. I hope so. Good luck from Spain!!
This was very interesting and Danny is a very talented artist i I am not surprised he noticed the different things many of us would not notice. Thank you Martin :)
Thank you Wendy 😊 😁
As always really impressed with matching historic photos (and a painting!) to the modern landscape! I'm a West Londoner, but when I was about 10 in the 90s I went around Kersal Dale (lovely place) and remember being really interested in the tram tracks: think that landslip bit has deteriorated even since then. By the way, I think you've mentioned the artwork before, but whose painting is that at 24 mins?
It's a pipe Martin, looks like it goes deep into the ground. There was most likely something on the end of it.
Hope this helps.
There was probably something inside the pipe too at one time.
Loved this 1 Martin you really do put the effort in thanx 4 keeping us entertained, legend, and I've never said that to a manc before haha 😄
Loved it martin, Good to see you and Danny on the case 👍 Where's james? Have you sacked him😮
As usual, that was very interesting. The input from Danny is appreciated having that sharp artists eye. I am left wondering how the water was lifted from the Irwell for the fountains. Thanks for the trip.
Does not appear to be a steam pump location so might have been electric - or was the water taken from UP the hill and gravity fed ?
@@highpath4776 There appears to be a lake near the upper fountain, I wonder if water was piped down to the lower fountain under gravity?
Another great video thanks Martin. I always find the idea of trains running along residential roads fascinating. Maybe more common up north than down south so I was quite surprised to come across some tracks in undergrowth on the corner of a road in Farnborough Hampshire but dismissed the idea immediately. However later discovered they did intact railway tracks that crossed the junction and lead down a residential street to the Royal Aircraft Establishment. But othet than the alignment I don't think anything else is left of the railway.
We love these remnants of the industrial past as much as you, no matter how trivial. Thank you for sharing them.
Thanks very much Dawn
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Thanks Martin, your channel was a life saver during covid lockdown isolation. The quality of your production and editing is impressive.
Fascinating stuff Martin. I wonder if more people take notice of details like these. In the past, you might find places like these but, unless you knew an elderly local, you would never really know what you were looking at. Nowadays, with the internet so readily available, researching this stuff is reasonably easy, if very time-consuming.
I've always found the top deck of a bus to be a great vantage point, pretty slow moving, with that extra bit of height to see over walls. Give it a try sometime and take an old map with you.😁Cheers for now.
Love these little treasures from history, so overlooked but they are things I always used to wonder about and love when I was a kid out with my granddad. He used to take me around Portsmouth and such to all sorts of things like this.
Thanks Myric, yeah love this stuff
@@MartinZero Your uploads keep me going through the new week so keep it up!
Redby Street and the old photos, make me weep. Then the remains of St.Michaels Hall too, its all meat and drink to me, thank you so much for sharing. I'm a lifelong Archaeologist and Industrial Archaeologist, since the age of 7, when I started to dig up my Dad's garden, I assisted with a dig on a Roman Villa at 11, joined the Salisbury Museum as an amateur on the digging team, and recorded and photographed secular buildings and churches, drawing ground plans of churches & recording Industrial buildings, great monolithic edifices such as Otterbourne pumping works (Winchester) with their truly massive steam pumping engines. For many years I was honoured to know, and to work with Peter de B Nicholson (Salisbury), a no nonsense Yorkshireman from whom I learnt so much, from half timbered medieval dwellings to Victorian bricks and roof tiles - bless him, long gone now. I'm 75 and it is all just as exciting and interesting now as it was 65 years ago, but alas so much has been swept away in the name of progress, but unfortunately it isn't progress in any shape or form, its simply eradicating a whole way of life, communities gone forever, it brings a lump to your throat. Great video, so interesting, keep it up - meat and drink lad. Terrific!
We did a tour of Kersal Vale, Great Clewes Street area with Salford Park Rangers a while back and the info you shared about that area and the landslide and posh houses was exactly as they'd described it.
Martin I’m sure nearly all us subscribers found it fascinating. There is so much history that we can see plain as day but we open our eyes to look for the more obscure there’s a wealth to be discovered. Love it 👍
These fragments of history you have found are fascinating.
You realise how old you are when the places you played as a child are long since gone. Where I played as a kid is almost unrecognisable now. Much has long gone, and when you look at it, not all for the best. Town I lived in now a toilet, heartbreaking. It might not have been that wonderful, but now? All in a lifetime and I am not dead yet!
Absolutely brilliant video! You’re making this mancunian (longsight) miss home. Hey Martin, any history to dig up in longsight? Keep up the great work!!!!
I remember visiting family in Manchester in the 1970s men in suits and ties terrace houses and cobbled streets and the pub was the focus of the community seems like a different world
Martin, on the second photo "Corner of" it has 2 road signs, could that be the crossover in names? the lower sign looks like Derby . apologies if already noted in comments
Thank you Martin . Your trees have moss on them . Here in Canada our trees need to wear fur coats. BRRRR. HA HA HA.
My mum was from openshaw Martin. Wasn’t it beyer peacock who built steam trains there too
Beyer Peacock was not far away in Gorton.
@@IN_THIS_DAY_AND_AGE my mistake, ya right. Do you recall a street called beyer street?
@@davemassey2639 I used to deliver round Gorton/Openshaw in the early 70's (Alpine pop). A lot of the streets were there, with name signs at the end, but the houses had all gone. Looked weird. I think the M67 was supposed to end there but it didn't happen.
Used to finish on Louisa street, Openshaw next to the big factory of Lawrence Scott Electromotors, which used to whiff a bit. I bet that has gone too.
@@IN_THIS_DAY_AND_AGE we had alpine pop. Delivered on a tk Bedford ya could hear coming from next street lol. Very grassy pop. Corona was nice
@@davemassey2639 that was it, cheap gassy coloured water, delivered on mustard and brown coloured tk's. They were hard work round the streets, no power steering and putting a wheel up the kerb could result in the load coming off (also no heaters). I used to work out of the depot at Reddish.
Thanks Martin, loved them all. Great to have a record as well. At Kersal Dale/Vale, I wonder if the fountains leaked and contributed to weakening the ground causing the land slip. I recall in the late 1970s that there was a landslip at the rear of Broughton Fire Station, on Bury New Road. Also I must agree with you that the area is beautiful, especially in autumn when the beech leaves fall. Pete.
Great video Martin just loved all the old relics those tram lines are brilliant I hope that they are saved and not covered over or just removed it would be such a shame. The history is just being took away slowly bit by bit. Its really good to find these remains of places I find it really interest especially when you manage to find the old black and white pictures of how it used to be just brilliant. Keep up the great work.
It might of been mentioned but the pipe was probably a fountain that was gravity fed from a reservoir higher up like the ones at Chatsworth house.
Living in London which has been heavily sterilised and redeveloped, these are the things I miss. Like Martin says "enjoy them while they last"
I hail from the other end of the M62 but have recently started working in the Oldham Bury & Rochdale areas. It's a driving job and I'm always keeping my eyes open for some of this hidden history which your videos record & demonstrate so well. Urbex for the masses! Carry on please Martin!
Enjoyed that. Our, once rich, former industrial nation.
23:03 I do like English bond brickwork, second only to Flemish bond
George Saxon & Co were based in Openshaw, I’m not sure if their workshops still exist under a different name now. Their steam engines powered a number of cotton mills in the North of England in the 1800’s
There were quite a few. I think Francis Shaw was around there
They wer,re good videos Martin yeah it's good what they doing on the river irk,the landslide video was brill I've passed them tramlines many of times in my day very interesting indeed I,ll be looking forward to next week's video cornbrook 2
Thanks Martin, that was really interesting. Surprised that the rails are still in Redby St.
For a moment there I thought I saw Fred Dibnah waving from the top of the tower.
English Steel Corporation was part of the Vickers group.
It became Edgar Allen after ESC. Not sure if they did tool steel?
Not trivial, very interesting as usual. Thank you.
This is mint, you need do more of this stuff, loved it, top vid ar kid
Always absolutely fascinating to see how landscapes can change so drastically. I see it daily here in Northwich where a lot of it used to be industrial works and fields, now being transformed before my eyes into estates and new builds. Seems a shame to me, but thus is the evolution of man
Hi Martin, brilliant video! Loved the content and your enthusiasm!
Kersal Dale was our playground when we were kids! Lived on Kersal Flats until I left home. We used call it the Lanny (short for the landslide)
We used to tell tales of ghosts that haunted the remains of the houses. One we called “The Brown House” where a “murderer” lived and it had blood dripping down the walls… we used to frighten ourselves to death 😂
Keep it up 👍🏻
finaly you went to my local gem - kersal dale :D amazing
Martin, this is excellent content. It's often these small details that help paint the bigger picture of a place's unique history as well as those poignant echoes of the past.
I don't know about you but I often look at old photographs and can't help but wonder what individual stories are unfolding behind those grimy windows.