Gloomhaven ruined my life. I've not slept for months, given up my job to play more of it, and not fed the cat in weeks. I'm considering suing the designer, as it's clearly all his fault.
Okay the transparency was super admirable, I subscribed for that alone. The rest of the video was also great but you guys earned my respect, integrity is rare on the modern world.
Kudos guys to the transparency, something not always found in gaming reviews. It is appreciated. For what it is worth, I wouldn't have mind if you gave more of your personal opinion on it.
Whilst we're no experts, nothing stopped us. As long as we declared our relationship, we're pretty sure we would be within boundaries of law. But it just didn't feel right. When we say "we're biased" that means we really feel biased. We can't just undo that.
But it's ok to be bias. Everyone is to a certain extent with games they enjoy or themes. Very very happy you told us ahead of time that you worked on it, but good to hear your personal opinion too.
themaster408 It's not "okay to be bias" because that is impossible; bias is an idea noun, and we are humans, not ideas. It is okay to be "biased" though, and they are admitting to it.
Here is what I know - your reviews are always unprecedented, brilliant, witty, clever and spot on. My gaming friends are in the midst of grinding through the world of Gloomhaven. I will admit that at first the game did not really appeal to me. I picked a tank like character but was disappointed to learn he did not have any neat bits of kit like massive axes, swords or other death dealing apparatus. Sticking with the game on subsequent scenarios has made me realize the hidden brilliance to this game. And, now I am hooked. One of the early keys to success is understanding how to play your group of selected cards. Of course, I mucked things up in the beginning and paid a steep price. Pulling a "miss" or minus point card at a critical juncture does still cause me to emit sounds that are not usually appropriate for any company. But, that is what makes the game so compelling. Thanks again for all that you two do to further the world of boardgaming.
I genuinely appreciate you guys saying from the start why you will be bias, not many would do that! I’m fairly new to board games, a friend showed me Descent 2nd ed about 6 months ago and I was hooked. Ordered it immediately and had to play solo with the road to legend app. My girlfriend took the piss a bit for how Id gone turbo nerd. So I asked her to join in and she immediately became my game buddy. Our copy of gloomhaven is on its way from the States and should be here next week.... aaaaaah! We aren’t the best at board games, but we have so much fun!
The look the exhausted, South American courier delivery guy gave me when he put the over heavy box onto my entrance hall, I will never forget till the day that I die. Neil from the Young Ones would say that it's really heavy.
Great video and now I WANT this game! Your videos are some of the best in explaining the heart of a game and that is very useful in helping make an educated decision in purchasing. Thank you.
You two have some really clever phrasing in your video, quite engaging in fact. As for the game, it looks to scratch that DnD itch so really looking forward to it. One of the things I enjoy most out of games with Legacy aspects is the weight and finality of some of your decisions. This looks to have that in spades.
I love you guys. So terrific to make clear your involvement with the game and yet still take it to task on at least a few points. I personally admire Gloomhaven on so many levels and rate it highly because of (as you say) unprecedented position in gaming. An audacious and amazing piece of work - and yes, a great game.
To be fair no one no matter how hard they try is ever fully unbiased. Tough a person can more biased than others to be sure. So glad for the warning, but no worries.
Wow, just discovered your channel, you guys have done an excellent job on this review. I had already bought the game and was suffering from dropping 180 cad on a boardgame, thank you for re-affirming my decision!
Thank you for a great great great show. It's not just a review.. it is a show :) Gloomhaven will have to wait now.. now I want to check your other review/shows :)
Nice effort guys. I just bought Gloomhaven and am excited about getting my copy and slightly worried about all the rules I need to learn. However, it's going to be interesting.
You guys are amazing! This may be my favorite video yet. Definitely my favorite intro (though the "we're going on a quest to the supermarket intro was fantastic as well). One thing though...you mention ripping up cards...I was under the impression that aspect of Legacy wasn't used in this game.
Oh man you've just opened up a whole new world to me! I've started reading the rule book to hype myself up and prep for the game now that I've backed the second printing. I love the destruction aspect of Legacy games and had no idea that was possibly a part of this game.
Hi! I'm quite new to boardgaming and started watching your channel not so long ago. You're adorable! That moment when Elaine says: "Bottom action" and then she smiles slyly and pauses for just a moment longer... Bahm! I could die of laughin. Make a joke about ass, but don't say a word about it - that's what people call English humor. You made my day, thank you!
Brilliant intro, NPI! 😅 I've been through 5 scenarios and cannot help but marvel at the depth in this game. It's an amazing experience in so many ways. I hope the cost (utterly reasonable, although not in everyone's grasp) and the theme (fantasy) don't hold anyone back from trying it. It will hook you. Thank you for your "biased" commentary!
A year and some odd months in and we finally complete the game with all unlocks in a week. Just in time to start the expansion and lose another year of my life. XD
Also there are lots of retailers accepting pre-orders, I'm in Spain and it arrived bang on time and the KS order package could be tracked online and I even got a nice email. If you do the KS watch out for the pledge manager email some weeks after the KS has ended to maybe finalize add ons / shipping etc or changes to your delivery address.
Just found your channel, and it’s a gem. Do you plan a Frosthaven pre release review? Are you getting a copy before retail, and will you have time to play(test) it? Thank you.
Great review! I am absolutely loving this game right now. at first it was a curiosity that grew with anticipation, but now it has turned into an obsession for me and my whole group. We are in love with this game. The turn to turn action, the strategy, the decisions in character growth, the world, the narrative, the surprises (we just opened our first envelope!). It truly is an unique experience that I think I actually will end up finishing. Which is crazy and something I would have never predicted. But I must say, I am SUPER curious as to what you two think of the game. I heard your initial impressions on your podcast ages ago, but I want to know MOAR!You guys rock!!!
Superb video. For those watching this as a rules overview, just about everything is spot on. One error, however, is that you do not use your character's attack modifier deck. You use one of four generic 20-card decks that eventually gets augmented by your class' attack modifier deck. It's a small but key rule, not to be overlooked.
I think that gloomhaven could have been so much more than "just" a dungeon crawler and to be honest I thought it would be.. Too bad all the good fluff in the game does not really get utilized in a roleplaying manner and just feels unimportant since you then just go from dungeon to dungeon. This game could have been a really nice way to introduce more of a pen&paper rpg style in a boxed form, which I thought it would and all the introduced fluff&lore seems really nice but they are in the end not doin anything with it. if you take it as a dungeon crawler with some nice fluff all around.. the game is good, but i can only imagine how much better it would be with a gamemaster and some more "D&D" like elements.. the scenario defenitely has the potential for an awesome world to explore. Maybe they´ll come up with an expansion into that realm.
Great video, as others have said I appreciate you showing the negatives as well as the positives. Watching it made me glad I backed your kickstarter. Although, as I am going to receive the digital campaign, I felt compelled to back the new gloomhaven KS; there would be no point in having the campaign otherwise would there?
"We have a lot of trouble with these gamers. Pay day's the worst - they go mad. As soon as they get their hands on their money they blow it all on board games, manuals, models, dice, biscuits." ~ adapted from _Monty Python's Flying Circus,_ s1e8
Sooooooo... Gloomhaven is okay but unprecedented? So many of the macanics are a mashup of things taken form other games and about fifty percent come right out of Road to Legend from the original Decent.
Exactly, just how Elvis Presley borrowed from black blues performers, white country stars, white pop singers, and gospel music. Or like EVERY single artist does in every domain.. Yep. I agree, Gloomhaven is pretty great.
@ 3:45 You lost me at a dungeon crawler with no dice lol What happens in a 5 hr game if you die at 4 hrs and 59 minutes? Are there resurrection spells or do you start all over? There's pretty much a reason I've ignored Gloomhaven. I didn't ignore the money pit of X-wing. I'll tell you one thing that doesn't look good are the standees shapes and stands. Deal breaker for me. Here I was just going to buy it for the paintable minis.
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Gloomhaven ruined my life. I've not slept for months, given up my job to play more of it, and not fed the cat in weeks. I'm considering suing the designer, as it's clearly all his fault.
"Fantasy tropes like elves or dwarves or Italians". Kickstarter backing validated right there.
I have no intention on playing Gloomhaven I just watched the video because these two are so entertaining.
Okay the transparency was super admirable, I subscribed for that alone. The rest of the video was also great but you guys earned my respect, integrity is rare on the modern world.
"Dirt Tornado, a name I used to dance under."
Subbed
Elves or Dwarves or Italians....classic!!!
Reminds me of the _Garth Marenghi's Darkplace_ episode, "Hell Hath Fury".
Whoa whoa aren't Italians and dwarves the same?
Maybe it's a perspective trick but I think that box might be large enough to fit Elaine into. Sleeved.
Quite simply the best review ever. All the major play elements, basic plot line, and the feel of the game in under 20 minutes. Thanks.
Kudos guys to the transparency, something not always found in gaming reviews. It is appreciated. For what it is worth, I wouldn't have mind if you gave more of your personal opinion on it.
Whilst we're no experts, nothing stopped us. As long as we declared our relationship, we're pretty sure we would be within boundaries of law. But it just didn't feel right. When we say "we're biased" that means we really feel biased. We can't just undo that.
But it's ok to be bias. Everyone is to a certain extent with games they enjoy or themes. Very very happy you told us ahead of time that you worked on it, but good to hear your personal opinion too.
themaster408 It's not "okay to be bias" because that is impossible; bias is an idea noun, and we are humans, not ideas. It is okay to be "biased" though, and they are admitting to it.
Holy crap-that box is huge! How do people manage to keep it on shelf without the whole thing collapsing? Just the shipping alone costs a packet.
Here is what I know - your reviews are always unprecedented, brilliant, witty, clever and spot on. My gaming friends are in the midst of grinding through the world of Gloomhaven. I will admit that at first the game did not really appeal to me. I picked a tank like character but was disappointed to learn he did not have any neat bits of kit like massive axes, swords or other death dealing apparatus. Sticking with the game on subsequent scenarios has made me realize the hidden brilliance to this game. And, now I am hooked. One of the early keys to success is understanding how to play your group of selected cards. Of course, I mucked things up in the beginning and paid a steep price. Pulling a "miss" or minus point card at a critical juncture does still cause me to emit sounds that are not usually appropriate for any company. But, that is what makes the game so compelling. Thanks again for all that you two do to further the world of boardgaming.
10:23
I like how she calls it a "little tiny box"...when the box is bigger than the apartment I'm living in! lol >.
This is one of your best ones yet. Really fun to watch.
Gloomhaven was only 11th on Bgg at the Release of this, weird times those days...
Great opening to the review! Had me laughing throughout the intro! Plus good info on the game too! Thanks for putting all the work into this!
I genuinely appreciate you guys saying from the start why you will be bias, not many would do that!
I’m fairly new to board games, a friend showed me Descent 2nd ed about 6 months ago and I was hooked. Ordered it immediately and had to play solo with the road to legend app. My girlfriend took the piss a bit for how Id gone turbo nerd. So I asked her to join in and she immediately became my game buddy.
Our copy of gloomhaven is on its way from the States and should be here next week.... aaaaaah! We aren’t the best at board games, but we have so much fun!
The look the exhausted, South American courier delivery guy gave me when he put the over heavy box onto my entrance hall, I will never forget till the day that I die. Neil from the Young Ones would say that it's really heavy.
Great video and now I WANT this game! Your videos are some of the best in explaining the heart of a game and that is very useful in helping make an educated decision in purchasing. Thank you.
'Dirt Tornado which is a name I used to dance under' ahhhhhh great line. Love your work guys!
It's more than just your standard fare of elves, dwarves, or Italians
Fantastic personalities and storyteling! Subscribed and shared! Rock on!
You two have some really clever phrasing in your video, quite engaging in fact. As for the game, it looks to scratch that DnD itch so really looking forward to it. One of the things I enjoy most out of games with Legacy aspects is the weight and finality of some of your decisions. This looks to have that in spades.
I love you guys. So terrific to make clear your involvement with the game and yet still take it to task on at least a few points. I personally admire Gloomhaven on so many levels and rate it highly because of (as you say) unprecedented position in gaming. An audacious and amazing piece of work - and yes, a great game.
(5:22) Pauses on "bottom action". Gaming sessions aren't complete without double entendres.
To be fair no one no matter how hard they try is ever fully unbiased. Tough a person can more biased than others to be sure. So glad for the warning, but no worries.
By far my favorite review of this game!
I really enjoyed the opening to your overview. New subscriber!
Wow, just discovered your channel, you guys have done an excellent job on this review. I had already bought the game and was suffering from dropping 180 cad on a boardgame, thank you for re-affirming my decision!
Welcome!
‘This tiny box” it’s large enough to hold her...
I wasnt sure about getting this game UNTIL NOW. THANKS!
Thank you for a great great great show. It's not just a review.. it is a show :)
Gloomhaven will have to wait now.. now I want to check your other review/shows :)
Great intro, we are hoping to start our journey later this week, we can't wait! :)
Best intro ever. Congratulations!
As a proud owner of the game that has played 12+ hrs a week consistently, definitely a must play/have!
Excellent stuff, the opening section was very funny. Loved it🙂
One year after I am here looking for my copy of GH everywhere...
you "guys" are awesome! Rly love you vidz. keep on rocking! Regards from austria
Tiny little box?
Cheers for the explanation!
wow just spotted that lovey Blacksad poster!
Nice effort guys. I just bought Gloomhaven and am excited about getting my copy and slightly worried about all the rules I need to learn. However, it's going to be interesting.
OMG, I want that Blacksad print!
You guys are amazing! This may be my favorite video yet. Definitely my favorite intro (though the "we're going on a quest to the supermarket intro was fantastic as well).
One thing though...you mention ripping up cards...I was under the impression that aspect of Legacy wasn't used in this game.
You can choose to rip, or not rip up cards.
Oh man you've just opened up a whole new world to me! I've started reading the rule book to hype myself up and prep for the game now that I've backed the second printing. I love the destruction aspect of Legacy games and had no idea that was possibly a part of this game.
Love the intro, so funny! You have a new subscriber here.
Thnaks for the fun video. It was a refreshing overview for someone who just purchased the game.
Ha! Points for the Terra Mystica map hanging on the wall.
Great last lines and overall videos
Hi! I'm quite new to boardgaming and started watching your channel not so long ago. You're adorable! That moment when Elaine says: "Bottom action" and then she smiles slyly and pauses for just a moment longer... Bahm! I could die of laughin. Make a joke about ass, but don't say a word about it - that's what people call English humor. You made my day, thank you!
This is gosh darn hilarous. Subscribed :D
Brilliant intro, NPI! 😅
I've been through 5 scenarios and cannot help but marvel at the depth in this game. It's an amazing experience in so many ways. I hope the cost (utterly reasonable, although not in everyone's grasp) and the theme (fantasy) don't hold anyone back from trying it. It will hook you.
Thank you for your "biased" commentary!
very well made. kudos!
love your reviews!!!!
Great review! I'm debating on whether or not to back the Kickstarter reprint...any chance you'll be doing an Anachrony review?
A very good chance, yes!
I think the first time I found Gloomhaven on TTS, I've sinked 300 hours in it with no breaks for other games...
You had me at Dirt Tornado. Subbed.
Just bought the game and realized it's freaking 9.9kg. Lol! Box is huge, dense and of course super heavy.
A year and some odd months in and we finally complete the game with all unlocks in a week. Just in time to start the expansion and lose another year of my life. XD
as an Italian i endorse this message.
Loved this video! Keep it up!
When’s does frosthaven actually start shipping?
An outstanding intro to this video. Well done.
As it now turns out, yes. Yes we do.
Sounds awesome. Wish someone had it for sale.
I am pretty sure the 2nd Kickstarter is up tomorrow.
Also there are lots of retailers accepting pre-orders, I'm in Spain and it arrived bang on time and the KS order package could be tracked online and I even got a nice email. If you do the KS watch out for the pledge manager email some weeks after the KS has ended to maybe finalize add ons / shipping etc or changes to your delivery address.
Not biased, I think the correct term is that a "conflict of interest" exists.
Just found your channel, and it’s a gem.
Do you plan a Frosthaven pre release review? Are you getting a copy before retail, and will you have time to play(test) it?
Thank you.
We've designed a scenario for Frosthaven and were paid for it so a review is out of the question.
@@NoPunIncluded too bad. Oh well, as I said I’ve only just found your channel, so there’s plenty of videos to watch.
Thank you for answering.
dirt tornado made me choke laughing
Took my group....like an hour and a half to get it set up....then I fucking died like an hour into it. 10/10 loved it
Haha i like you guys. Thx for the review.
You guys are THE BEST.
Bottom action... :D
Gloomhaven is amazing. You can say it.
fantastic intro!
Yamatai on the shelf!
soon. soon.
Elves, dwarfs or italians? LOL
Great review! I am absolutely loving this game right now. at first it was a curiosity that grew with anticipation, but now it has turned into an obsession for me and my whole group. We are in love with this game. The turn to turn action, the strategy, the decisions in character growth, the world, the narrative, the surprises (we just opened our first envelope!). It truly is an unique experience that I think I actually will end up finishing. Which is crazy and something I would have never predicted. But I must say, I am SUPER curious as to what you two think of the game. I heard your initial impressions on your podcast ages ago, but I want to know MOAR!You guys rock!!!
If you ever see us in real life, such as at a convention, go ahead and ask! More than happy to chat about it.
:) Great video! I can say it for you. "One of the best gaming experiences ever." *however I am only 21 missions in at this point ;)
Not every game review has such saucy bottom action. Well done! Very entertaining and informative. Probably the best Gloomhaven review I've seen.
Good times.
For a Legacy game, retiring a character feels so out of place. I'd want to finish the whole thing with the same character.
Superb video.
For those watching this as a rules overview, just about everything is spot on.
One error, however, is that you do not use your character's attack modifier deck. You use one of four generic 20-card decks that eventually gets augmented by your class' attack modifier deck.
It's a small but key rule, not to be overlooked.
You guys are hilarious. Please never change!
Bottom action, eh? Oh myyyyyyyy~
5:27 Giggity
I think that gloomhaven could have been so much more than "just" a dungeon crawler and to be honest I thought it would be.. Too bad all the good fluff in the game does not really get utilized in a roleplaying manner and just feels unimportant since you then just go from dungeon to dungeon. This game could have been a really nice way to introduce more of a pen&paper rpg style in a boxed form, which I thought it would and all the introduced fluff&lore seems really nice but they are in the end not doin anything with it.
if you take it as a dungeon crawler with some nice fluff all around.. the game is good, but i can only imagine how much better it would be with a gamemaster and some more "D&D" like elements.. the scenario defenitely has the potential for an awesome world to explore. Maybe they´ll come up with an expansion into that realm.
Yay! Thank you
I feel like these 2 like or have previously liked Lucy.
Great video, as others have said I appreciate you showing the negatives as well as the positives. Watching it made me glad I backed your kickstarter. Although, as I am going to receive the digital campaign, I felt compelled to back the new gloomhaven KS; there would be no point in having the campaign otherwise would there?
There would be no point in having the scenario without gloomhaven, no.
Amazing amount of "who's out there?" damage on that window shade. Great overview! I'm looking forward to playing this : )
Great Review 👍👍👍 😁🕊☘
Thanks
The volume is very low.
The subtitle of this video haunts me.
Good shout out to Pauls video. I have this-a fantastic game!
May I still call you "Dirt tornado" ?
Those days are behind us.
"We have a lot of trouble with these gamers. Pay day's the worst - they go mad. As soon as they get their hands on their money they blow it all on board games, manuals, models, dice, biscuits." ~ adapted from _Monty Python's Flying Circus,_ s1e8
Funny stuff and engaging review (smart). The volume is low and would love to hear it more clearly in future videos!
Dam i will have to get rid of my level 7 italian and buy gloomhaven :)......oh wait i did yesterday weeee:)
Sooooooo... Gloomhaven is okay but unprecedented? So many of the macanics are a mashup of things taken form other games and about fifty percent come right out of Road to Legend from the original Decent.
Exactly, just how Elvis Presley borrowed from black blues performers, white country stars, white pop singers, and gospel music. Or like EVERY single artist does in every domain.. Yep. I agree, Gloomhaven is pretty great.
Our gaming group got tired of the game halfway through. Bought it because of the massive hype, but ended up regretting the purchase.
@ 3:45 You lost me at a dungeon crawler with no dice lol What happens in a 5 hr game if you die at 4 hrs and 59 minutes? Are there resurrection spells or do you start all over? There's pretty much a reason I've ignored Gloomhaven. I didn't ignore the money pit of X-wing. I'll tell you one thing that doesn't look good are the standees shapes and stands. Deal breaker for me. Here I was just going to buy it for the paintable minis.
I can tell by your mini-blinds that you have at least one cat...
There is a game like it and it’s been around since, what, 1978,,, ish...... that game is Dungeons and Dragons.
Elaine's insanely CUTE!! Great non biased review as well!
I think Elaine needs too switch to decaf 🙉