Fdev Talk about the Future of Elite | Hello Dave 316
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- 00:00 - [ED] Frontier on The Future of Elite
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Elite Dangerous done properly could have and should have been their flagship product, given its heritage and fanatical/loyal fan base
ED being supported = new paints.
and new CG.. thats all
Shareholders is the worse thing to happen to companies and consumers.
I just simply don't support publicly traded 'game' studios anymore.
Shareholders provide firms with the moola they need.
God I loved Elite. I wish it loved us back. The last few major updates just didn't seem based on what the community actually wanted- and was especially cold to VR players like myself.
Darkest days as a gamer for me. Nintendo fan boy growing up but the switch was meh, Rocket League is being exploited for cash while they ignore the player base and Ark Ascended/Ark 2 debacle. Then there's ED :(
THE update that essentially killed the game, Odyssey, was THE update "the community actually wanted". it was "space legs: the update" and the majority actually wanted that
and for those "bu bu bu not like that!" well, you weren't paying attention up until that point. if anybody expected "space legs" to be any different to the pointless grindy crappy mess we got, you're either dumb or not paying attention while playing
the game needed more fleshing out, iteratively, of the spaceship part, since you know, it's a spasim first and foremost, and a completely new game design team hired 'cause Sandro & co (and whoever replaced him) sucked, big time. but the community is dumb, so they were clamoring for "space legs" because, well, "SC and NMS have it!". yup, dumb
hard to argue with this, totally botched the game and just made it more tedious rather than add anything @@praetor47
@@praetor47 I didn't know anyone clamoring for space legs. Everyone I knew wanted interiors. More random events. Less tedious material farming for Engineers etc.
Maybe its because I was more in the VR circle but everyone was pretty disappointed in the direction the game went trying to become a horrendously optimized space shooter instead of refining what we all fell in love with in the first place.
@@sQrLLZ then you weren't around reddit and the official forums much :)
it was all most were talking about when it came to the major expansions/features that were presented during the Kickstarter and iirc during "season 1" in some plans for the future
'less grind' is something everyone except the 'brilliant' game designers at FDev wanted. everyone. but that's not a major expansion/feature ;)
If I win the lottery, I solemnly swear to buy out FDev and focus on making Elite a top priority. As a console player, this is my best hope.
The chances of you doing that are better than the chances of FDev actually improving the game.
@@heavybattle6650 Ouch!
I hope Elite becomes Mod Support thats could save the game
I think it's now more than apparent just how much Sally Morgan-Moore was carrying the rest of the team.
Looks like she's the senior team manager for FFXIV EU now, so it seems like she's in a much better place haha.
I played Elite from 2014, I had several thousand hours. I was VR and full HOTAS with Voice Attack, Sidewinder Radio, and friends fueling my carrier. Then Odyssey happened and I was so pissed I stopped playing Elite at that time. I haven't played since.
I miss it, but if I were to come back it wouldn't even be the same game I loved. This Thargoid story seems to have fully occupied all fun aspects of the game, and its development. While a new narrative is interesting, what was really needed was FDEV to update Elite Dangerous To meet current industry standards. ie: ship interiors, legs in VR, reintroduce CQC, fix all the multicrew bugs (and integrate ship interiors into multicrew game play.
I'm a nobody, but I can't fathom why FDEV did what they did. But when the developer of their game engine left, I knew I wasn't the only person confused.
I transitioned from PS4 to PC because of Elite in VR. Literally bought a PC and Oculus just for Elite....then Odyssey dropped without VR support and I started playing less and less till I stopped. Elite Dangerous will still remain in my top 5 games ever. ....so disappointing though.
I'd like to see an introduction to Thargoids built into Elite, if Thargoid plot structure is too hard to include then a 'To do' list relating to relevant outfitting would be great.
I want to be hopeful, but I saw one of the sound guys and Tom Sewell posting about their role being at risk of redundancy which doesn’t make me feel that Elite is a priority. That said they are right to focus on what they do well. Their park management sims are superb, as is their space game.
Thanks for the ED update! Great to hear it's going to be supported.
Life supported yes.
Off topic but, love the T-shirt!👍
I am actually still hoping that they will do ONE more payed expansion.
And in that case we should not rule out "Ship Interiors" :)
Srsly, in their mind it would likely be 'Squeeze out the last drop', but it might actually save the game.
Ofc I know that is quite optimistic, but not beyond hope.
I left ED with Xbox debacle and nothing has changed! Frontier were and still are their own worst enemy.
Nice... Thanks for all the info. Great video as always
Space station management sim.
Limiting the opportunities in Star Citizen for Salvage could do a lot for the gameplay, also allowing multiple commanders to receive the same contract for the same Salvage making it a race
Brilliant fdev and the future of elite followed by...Elite patch delay. I don't believe Frontier will deliver anything for Elite(sadly).
Let's talk about the future of Fdeaf.
Do they have any?
I love Elite and it can still be a goldmine for FDev if they would just listen to users. It has been years since Elite has updated the cockpits in each ship. One simple idea for a cool update would be to create new cockpits for each ship with different styled instruments. Every ship even from different manufacturers has the same overall dashboard. Just to make the ships feel cooler and less dated inside. There are other minor updates that could really improve the game. FDev has terrific developers... just look at the Thargoid spire sites. Those are amazing, but they exclude a large portion of the player base. It wouldn't take much to really engage more players and put a more modern look to certain aspects of the game. Regardless, I am hoping the best for the game. Thanks "Dave" for another great video. o7
nah we need new ships to actually save this game
Nothing lasts forever. Speaking directly, ED lasted a long time, it's now in the past and we can't expect it to last forever, everything ends and we know that Frontier doesn't have the money to maintain or create an ED 2. So for me we're at the end now, it's It was nice but it's over.
New things are happening in STAR CITIZEN, in my opinion that's where we need to look for the future, Elite unfortunately it's now almost the past.
Elite Dangerous needs ship interiors and base building. Exploration and the graphics engine needs a serious overhaul along with dlss support.
If they ever did an Elite 2 they would do it for consoles as well as PC .
Why can’t they be good at Elite Dangerous? I’d rather see this than yet another park sim.
Broader audience, proven performance. They answer to shareholders asking for the share price to go up
I think the exobiology part isn't bad at all. They should expand on that. And they should expand fleet carrier possibilities. Missions. Powerplay.
Base building/colonization. Lots of options there.
Dec.... oh yeah the Novemember patch won't be coming out...
So how is the major feature re-work coming along? ;-)
All I want for Christmas is functioning Anti-aliasing and a QA pass on VR.
Guess Star Citizen, with its record revenue, will remain the only serious space game contender with Starfield failing and Elite on life support.
After all this time it's still not an official release. I'll never go back to SC. Just a waste of time and money
Crazy how Star Citizen seems to continue to truck along with updates and progress (albeit slow), while Elite: Dangerous seems to just slowly crawl to a near halt. I really hope ED can someday make a comeback. It's still a great game.
two different companies with different amounts of money and games
@@personaltitanfloroc4790exactly, one has half a billion dollars at its disposal (yet is still in alpha after a decade), the other released a decade ago, has already been profitable for its developer but has been in competition for attention with other games that developer has been distracted by. There really is no comparison.
@@netwarrior1000 They dont have half a billion dollars at their disposal just laying around, thats their lifetime revenue over the past 11 years. Frontier very likely has similar figures when compared over the same timeframe.
@@alexn8219 probable, but frontier doesn't only have elite but they have many other games.
@alexn8219 and I'll say again that SC is still in alpha despite that, and will remain so for a long time to come. While FDEV has developed and supported, and released several other games in that time. Point is Elite hasn't suffered from lack of funds so much as developer distraction with other projects. Same can't be said for SC.
I gave up on ED when I realized I already have a job IRL that I wish I didn't have to go to. What's worse is ED is an unpaid internship. The endless grind killed it for me.
Cobra 2 ie Odyssey is scalable
Personal opinion, I don't think Frontier cares about what the "Players" want. They have only designed content based on what they want to do. They have actively ignored any success from other companies to learn from. Success in this industry only happens when you deliver what people want. People will play the stuff they want to play.
In the UK our tax and for most financial year runs from 1st april to 31 march the following year
Okay i didn't that was a UK thing :-)
When is the update with the major change in a game mechanic that they talked about quite awhile ago at this point?
Last we heard they said they will tell us more " at the end of the year"
This is all hopium. There is no roadmap still. the overhauled feature still missing. The company is still moving as slow as ever, and even if they decided to invest in the game today, they are still buried under mountains of other games to develop for which they licensed ip and no cash to spare on such an old game.
Not to mention the fact that whenever they do release an upgrade it is overall horrible - it appeals only to a minimum fraction of the playerbase, it has no repeat value and it delivers numerous new bugs.
For reasons none of understand the financial year in the UK starts on April 4th. We've no idea why!
Would be awesome to see elite get some love. But I cant imagine fdev will deliver what we want though. I dont know why they wont listen to us... we literally tell them what we'd pay for. Fdev need better product people. People who play games, i get a feeling the product people who ran age of sigmar development didnt play age of sigmar or much warhammer at all.
Still not convinced ship interiors is a winner, what do you all want to do in them?
Maybe I should play some more star citizen and see...
I think it's a good time to short Frontier xD
It's sad when Elite is in such a state that I still only play LEGACY Horizons...
Frontiers statement on Elite is meaningless. Their outlook changes as the outlook changes, obviously. They haven't really said anything particularly positive about their support for Elite other than the current status quo.
I have pretty much given up on Elite. I started playing on release (12-2014). It just has not gone anywhere in quite some time. I have not played for about a year.
Elite could use a new graphics engine new tech possibly a whole new game
Everything F’dev does lately is an epic fail. Yet they have this wonderful community in elite. But for whatever reason they hate us? Just give elite a little love and maybe, just maybe listen to the community. This game has soo much potential, I’d pay for a meaningful dlc. Ship interiors? New ships? More atmospheric landings? More ground vehicles? New explanation loops etc. 🤞🏻
@DownToEarthAstronomy As a lover of Elite, I would be willing to pay a small subscription fee to keep it alive if necessary. I’ve gotten hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of this game and will get hundreds more. If you amortize the cost of this game over hundreds or thousands of hours of play, it’s fractions of pennies per hour. Am I crazy or?
If they had consoles players to they would be making money I mean more players more income for them but no they wanna be lazy
They do not understand if they annoy us on Elite we are not going to buy any of their other games. I will not get anything from Frontier even if it's free. I have heard they messed up their F1 Management so that's basically it for me.
Sequel or bust.......
I put two weeks of pure gameplay into this game on PlayStation. Still wish all the time that we hadn’t gotten shafted out of development. One of the biggest disappointments in gaming I’ve seen, having a fleet carrier and then getting cut.
I will never purchase anything from FLiars.They will never change.0 efforts is they motto.
I played Elite back in the 80's and still play today, it is perhaps my favourite game and I love it. For what it’s worth here's some suggestions with the intent of re-igniting interest in Elite and also help Frontiers future prospects, by developing Elite into something more immersive, attractive and fun to play whilst continually driving higher revenue and player count to assist Frontier with their business plan.
1: Revamp the cockpit display and controls to be more varied across ship types: currently all ships share the exact same interface, I understand why but nevertheless.
2: Revamp ship types different abilities so that they are far more distinguishable. Specialist ships should be incredible at what they do rather than being similar to all other ships, haulers for example should clearly be haulers with amazing hauling abilities, fighters should likewise be awesome at what they do. Don't be afraid to decrease or even lose the overlap instead increase the differences, drastically.
3: Revamp engineering to be far simpler with far less grind - let players explore, get rich, go further and want more.
4: Revamp Carriers to be able to fly much further and cost much less and reconsider what attributes can be introduced to both encourage increased ownership and push much further the development of the Galaxy, for example building of space stations, and planet bases.
5: To encourage the exploration of the whole Galaxy there needs to be a mechanism in the game that drives this. Maybe this could be achieved via some new algorithms and attributes for example the carriers could seed new bubble attributes and bubble gameplay both autonomously and by selective decision by the owning commander at the locations they visit. This is a big one and the one that would drive the opening up of the Galaxy.
6: Finally (and crucially) don't be afraid to charge on a ppm or ppy schedule, if all of the above was implemented Frontier could be confident in charging say 5,6 or £7 a month, maybe even have different levels, whilst simultaneously offering a sustainable profitable game that opens up and unlocks the potential of the galaxy that lies untapped at the heart of Elite, it would build upon the successful exciting aspects of Elite that we all love but want more of and was the reason that Elite was so successful in the first place; we love flying these ships but we quickly learn that the ships are not all that different, the different ships and their real different attributes holds incredible potential for players attention, this tied up with the development of the Galaxy and bubble type gameplay is the key for all of us.
If the above was done and I don't think I have suggested anything couldn't be achieved within a couple of years the game would be more exciting and enjoyable to play and ensure it pays its way for the next 10 years providing a steady reliable income stream and profits as reward for Frontier.
if Fdev changed the ship stats, changed cockpit graphics, changed engineering AGAIN, spread out the playerbase across the entire galaxy by implementing "bubble seeding" as you put it, and then start charging any amount of money per month, even just a dollar, I am very confident they would lose more than 90% of their playerbase including me. I bought the game and all its DLCs for full price, I am not paying any more until they add an, for example, atmospheric landing DLC "season pass" It's optional, if you just want to play the base game you're fine, if you want extra content you drop 20 dollars. Subscription based games are an outdated idea and I'm glad they're dying out. They just need to add more ships and occasional extra gameplay loops, like reworking powerplay, and people will play the game more. Paid cosmetics are fine, paid ability to play isn't.
Tbh the jurasic park evolution 2 was kinda “meh” not much important evolution (pun intended) from the first game i think was one of the argument of why that game didn’t perform great. So fdev need to bring their A game and make an improvement not just “make another sim stuff”
If you look at the financials, zoo and jurassic park are stellar performers. They got no real competition either. The space Sim genre is extremely competitive and frontier is really behind the tech. They are not going to make huge investments when they are on the verge of bankruptcy.
@@cmdrls212 jurassic park 1 was way better than the sequel, in fact imo if u release the 2 as a dlc of the first one was ok. Nothing new (beside a campaign and new dinos) no new mechanic or some improvements that make a difference.
I agree that the zoo sim isn’t competitive and also agree that space sim is very competitive.
No one can deny that elite dangerous was a good game with huge wasted potential. Took odyssey, instead of keep evolving that expansion with new content (weapons, suits, more missions) what they do? NOTHING, besides minor optimizations, nothing new or relevant to a huge expansion in which fdev spent lot of resources. That in my book is a wasted opportunity
@@Sifonni well you see, the way licensed IP works is that you pay for it and if you don't use it, it is wasted money. So unless the license expires, they are basically going to focus on milking those licenses. That is just how fdev is structured now and they are simply confirming management games are their core business.
Not bringing Odyssey to console is basically what killed Elite Dangerous imo.
Player Driven Economy = alot of gameplay and content = Elite lacking content solved for some percentages
Why does FDev not acknowledge the 10,000 Ton Elephant in the room??? No matter how many IP's FDev want's to work on , the problem is that DATED , UNSCALABLE Cobra Game engine that's riddled with technical debt & unscalable. If I owned an IP , why the hell would I give it to FDEv?? I'd rather give it to a company running UE4 or even better UE5 game engine or anything other than the Cobra game engine. Which is sooo bad for JPW , that even IGN , made fun of it's physics code in game. If you want Elite to compete & keep up , you better find at least $250 million in research , funding & additional Dev's. Then add at least 3-5 years on top of that , just to develop or re engineer this game engine. FDev thinking this game engine was future proof is laughable & just goes to show you how badly mismanaged this game has been since the BETA released. The sad fact that it's pretty much over for ED to actually get anything new or groundbreaking in game. Wasted oppurtunities. o7
Butthurt much? ;)
@@ChrisM541 No , you Odyssey shill
Are you sure the problem is in the Cobra engine and not in their lack of skill, poor vision, minimum technical proficiency, laziness and lack of desire to develop the game?
Actually , what you just described is the reason why the Cobra game engine is exactly in the state it's in now. Lack of skill , visions & min tech proficiency is the very cause of this dated game engine. Laziness can be added as well. o7
Let people pay for private servers that support modding an they will have profit. for god sake let us fix this game they simply refuse to
ED is dying slowing. It's painful to see all that.
Tencent has 10 percent of Fdev so do not expect anything.
Another thing since they stopped console they started going down hill serves them right
Shop it to Bethesda and merge into Starfield. Carry over the ships, items, drama, and grant player achievements and holdings equivalence in the Starfield universe. Label it an expansion pack. A lot of us put way too many hours in this universe just for it to fall flat, if it's looking crazy, just pass the dam ball before the whole team loses, at least we can stay in the game and Frontier can cover it's debts. It's a reality that needs to be considered. Even if the initial effort was buggy, I'd give it a shot. I do not own nor have I played Starfield, I've been building out another business most of 2023, barely have time for Elite anymore, and I have zero interest in coming back to a dead game or starting over in a new one. No way, and it's possible I'm not the only one that thinks like this.
Incompatible engines. Would never work.
Focusing only on Thargoid stuff and endless grind brought elite down where it is now. No new content for explorers no ship interiors. Search and rescue in and outside ships on planets or even in space would have been nice. I do not say Thargoid stuff is bad but too much focus only in this has been bad.
Elite had a great run but I don't blame them from cutting their lost. Elite is dead. New players aren't coming in. So they should focus on management games or an Elite 2
I'm new :) I play for the vr experience ... wish they would update vr stuff ...
The ED discord usually still always has at least 100+ people playing, with 1000's players online as of now, where some play together.
Ya I be hoping in the discord very helpful and friendly ppl In there , part of the reason I come back to it :)
@@zevjohnson1000 players would be an all time low then. It was in the 2000s recently. And that's the problem. The trend is downwards even as they keep pumping money into odyssey.
@@charliekongo9896 If you're "new" then, obviously, you ain't even scratched it's VR experience - you've got some way to go before you can ask for it to be updated! ;)