The Film 'Normie' Effect | KritPick
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- Опубликовано: 30 авг 2022
- Despite my resentment for the term, there is no doubt that 'normie' is becoming an everyday word within the film community. So let's examine what a normie currently is or viewed as, then let's see if we think that's fair or not. Keep Watching Movies!
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When I was 14 discovering movies like Reservoir Dogs, Taxi Driver, and No Country for Old Men, I thought I'd found the farthest recesses of cinema. A bit later I came to find out all of these were see as "normie" or "film bro" films. Over time my tastes broadened and I picked up foreign favorites like La Haine, Chungking Express, and Breathless. Once again, I thought I'd found the true hidden gems. Imagine my surprise when I start using Letterboxd and discover that these too are considered "normie" picks by many. Just last week I watched Daisies and Tetsuo: The Iron Man. It took me years of exploration to discover these but now I'm certain there's someone out there who considers these to be "normie." Like many of the comments have said, the word is simply too subjective to define. Personally, I prefer not to use it because I consider everyone's starting and end point to be valid. Not everyone has to start watching Czech New Wave because I've seen just how much good stuff is out there on the tip of the iceberg and it's a comfortable spot to anchor the ship.
I mean, yes. The entire point of the video is to point out how oddly defined the word is and how frivolously it's used and weaponized to offend people or look down on people. It was a fun little experiment to clearly define the word and destigmatize it so it could be used in a more positive sense. Of course I know this video wouldn't achieve that on a grand scale, but it's fun to fictionalise regardless. Like I said many times in the video, I believe every cinema viewing experience is valid. Films considered "normie films" are well known for a reason, they're great films. They're some of my favourite films so I don't let the word shake me none. But thank you for comment, I definitely think you have a point. Thanks for watching!
@@kritpickproductions you misinterpreted my comment. it wasn't meant to be a takedown bro. just throwing in my two cents
Ur still a normie lil bro
@@user-wo5tc9ux7u like I said, “I know there’s someone out there who considers these to be ‘normie.’” And you’re my pretentious someone
Very well done! It seems the term normie has a relative meaning. A Fincher filmbro will look down on a Tarantino filmbro as a normie but a Godard filmbro looks down on them both as normies
Interesting take, I hadn't thought of it like this
Tarantino is miles better than fincher though…
One of my favorite ways to explore is to go to film festivals. I think most people don't get excited to see a movie that they've never heard of before, so I find being almost forced to go see one with your friends and an open mind is easier to do. Only problems you have to find one.
It's a good point. I'm the complete opposite, being honest. I love just going to the movies and buying a ticket for anything. Trying my best to avoid trailers, genre clues and whatnot. But I get that's an issue for a lot of people, my girlfriend has to know everything about a movie to decide if she wants to see it and most times it's a no. So you're absolutely correct, in my opinion.
Two key things that I try to always remember when so called “normie” films are being discussed:
1. Everybody starts out as a normie at some point
2. Not everybody feels as strong a desire to search for “depth” and “meaning” in art/content and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.
All that “normie” gatekeeping does is continue to make people write off all artists and film/music:
/art enthusiasts as pretentious and fake as well as alienate those who might actually want to start digging for those deeper works.
"Gatekeeping" is a spook and hardly has any real effect on anything.
I enjoy the fact that film enthusiasts (the person who made this video included), think of watching movies as a progressive journey, as if they are getting better at watching movies as an art and like they are creating something. Watching films is not like painting or playing an instrument, the only outcome of "deepening your film knowledge" are obnoxious conversations. Most people just want to enjoy a movie regardless of what other people think of it.
I see your point, but I don't think it's wrong to think about exploring a medium as a journey. It takes no skill to sit and watch a movie, but seeking out a variety of different works does take time and effort. It takes no skill to look at a painting and yet I would much rather talk about paintings with someone that's seen a lot of paintings than with someone who's only seen the Mona Lisa. Right? I'm sorry you find conversations about film obnoxious, don't really know what to tell you. I really enjoy talking about movies with people, and the more of them I've seen then the more likely it is that we've seen something we both really enjoyed and can talk about. Not to mention the fact that many people do explore film to take inspiration for their own projects, be it camera work, editing, whatever. If that's your goal then it makes sense to look at a variety of different eras and genres.
you have some of the best work on film yt! a few suggestions: lower the background music by like 5-10%. have it as a background music, not music. but that's basically it. great shit!
Thank you so much, feedback is taken on board. I appreciate the sentiment man!
great video as always, love u man
I just like watching really good, meaningful and entertaining films and a lot of the time those might be what people consider normie films, but really whether I come across them or am recommended them by friends, I just try to appreciate the movie for what it is.
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lovely vid as usual, quite the listenable voice
Great video! And very respectful too. I enjoyed it a lot
A word used here and is less loaded but basically identical in meaning is "casual" my definition would be something like:
A Film Normie is a casual movie goer, not pretending to be an expert and happy to watch movies that might not be extremely experimental or niche, someone who enjoys movies that are generally considered high quality by their peers.
Yes, exactly. They're casual and they're pretty cool. Best type of peeps to see films with a lot of the time, they often have a good time :)
Super underrated channel
great video
cinema is a beautiful thing.
It absolutely is.
"Because...It insists upon itself"
For me personally, when a new movie comes out, I try my best to not hear others opinions on the movie until I've seen it. I usually try to see movies on opening day for this reason. No one can take my first take away from me. If a movie resonates with audiences and I also loved it, I know it's my own taste and not the public opinion swaying me. Equally, if I like a movie people don't, that's fine too. I also think movies can fester with someone over time. There are many films I didn't like on first viewing that grew on me with age, even some of them classics. As long as you know your feelings are based on yourself and not others, you're fine
Now if we translate a "film normie" to the music industry, the music normies would be the ones listening to Ed Sheeran, Justin Beiber, Post Malone, etc. But I don't picture The Shawshank Redemption and The Godfather as equal in that way. The MCU, and other cash grabs do come off as pop music. Repetitive, lazily written, but with popular characters (artists). I think the "Normie Films" would translate to music as classic great songs that are full of flavor, character, and timeless. Such as songs like Hotel California, Wish You Were Here, and Stairway to Heaven. Sure, they are basic "normie" songs that most people enjoy, but there is art to them, they were groundbreaking at the time, and they aren't bad. So why shame people for enjoying them?
There is no shaming, I said multiple times that their experience is just as valid as any other and it is totally okay to experience film in this way
Because what keeps value in the field of art? How does one separate objective from subjective, and what keeps everything from the relativistic way it is currently? Shame does dude. It keeps shit from being called poetry, and it should keep quality well above the rest. The inversion currently holds mediocrity as if it’s tantamount to sainthood, while actual quality then suffers without any outlet to either release, produce, or be created. Craig Zehler comes to mind as a talented film maker, whose topics and subjects of his films i enjoy, but has a hell of a time getting his films made. His subject matter is shamed, and yet the MCU, the publishing industry, televesion, all of these things do not get shamed for their utter mediocrity. Roger Scruton said back in the day that the only true sin of modernity, is to criticize another’s tastes. And why is that? Maybe the shame is more needed than you think my friend.
Movies are subjective and people like what they like. Some like stunts, some like creature effects, some like dialogue heavy stories, etc. Movies are even connected to people’s memories. A lot of people like a classic because it is the first movie they saw in theaters. Or a certain romance might connect with someone because it’s the movie they saw with their lifelong partner.
For example, which movie is better: Halloween or Toy Story? Those are two movies that evoke two different feelings in their viewers.
I like CineFix’s top movie list because it takes a lot of these categories into consideration.
Honestly I love watching movies everyone’s seen because it shows why they care. Wanting to know what everyone is talking about is natural. So yeah, I mean I kinda am a film normie. A casual viewer. Sometimes movies I watch are rarer. But not because they’re rarer, just because they catch my eye.
A beautiful and valid way to watch films
Id figure a "Film Bro" would be someone who gravitates to "Bitch Basic" Movies that are overly reference. They also adorn themselves with the "Typical" film cosplay get-up to appear to be a professional movie buff.
Quality
Yes this is me and I’m not even sorry. Also, my pick for best movie of all time is 2001: A Space Odyssey. But my top 10 movies are all in the IMDB top 250 😅
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7:28 "Accessibility is the goal of art"
I disagree with this idea. While that may be the goal of some artists when they create art, that is definitely not the point of all art. The issue with this mentality is that it assumes the movies that connect with the most people are somehow better than those that only connect with a few. It's always interesting to see when a movie becomes a massive cultural force because it has universal themes that everyone connects with, but that doesn't mean it will be as impactful to each of those people. I'm sure everyone has movies that they enjoy much more than the average person would because they have a personality or lived experience that makes them it uniquely resonant. The problem with only looking at the most popular/successful movies is that it means you're never exposed to movies that might hit you just as hard, even if they're more niche. It's important to have curiosity about movies (and about art in general) and not write off movies just because they didn't appeal to the majority of people. Exploring lesser known movies is a great way to think about what makes them special to YOU.
For me a film normie is a lot different from a film 'bro' in that, while a film bro watches cult classics and is an annoying charcter and all that stuff, a film normie is someone not very much into film, someone who watches both good and mediocre movies as long as they are popular, so take Jumanji or Marvel movies, funny movies or maybe even good movies like the matrix or forrest gump. Very surface level and unintressted in the movie critic scene in general and just watches movies for the entertainment.
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i would describe myself as a film normie i watch around 15 films every month but it’s always some very popular films or sequels to popular films i just don’t really know a lot of under the radar great films, any recommendations?🤷🏻♂️
I'd suggest maybe looking through my Movie Diary series or looking through lists on things like Letterboxd. Thry can provide some great insight into films you may not have heard of
@@kritpickproductions okay what’s ur letterbox called
@@gbrooker897 it's always in the pinned comments but mine is 'Kr1tical' - I am outrageously behind on updating it though!
@@kritpickproductions okay thanks i’ll follow u
Days Of Heaven. Directed by Terrence Malick
If anyone tells you they like Citizen Kain, They're trying to look more cultured than they are. That move is convoluted and preachy. It was Orson Wells' personal grudge with Howard Hughes that compelled him to make a movie that was obviously about him.
We had to watch that at school in Film Appreciation (Tuesday afternoon we had "activities. I always chose the non-sport one). It was the most boring movie Ive ever seen. Maybe I should watch it again as an adult.
I like the movie because I think it’s entertaining
nice viddddd
I wouldn’t call myself a movie expert I’d say I’m somewhere in the middle my favorite movies are pretty similar to film bro movies 😂 but I’m not a film bro and normie movies but I also mainly watch horror now I don’t really branch out to older movies or foreign films but I might give it a chance I like talking about movies with people but I’ve gotten better about not gatekeeping certain movies and actually listening to other people’s criticism and opinions about movies I like and have never seen I’d say I’m a normie with a little more knowledge 😂
The normie term to me, is someone who is usually a midwit, finding something which is not particularly powerful, meaningful, or is just generally still popular, and then acting as if they are better and well pretentious acting because of it. In terms of “ohhhh you wouldn’t understand this, it’s deep,” about a marvel film, or some other nonsense. So the sting that the term conveys is just that, it’s meant to demean as it’s a descriptor for being that think they’re smarter than they really are; i.e, a midwit. And it’s not just that, it’s the fact that they lack the self awareness to realize it, and then proceed to try and hold this over others.
I like how empty and hypocritical is. Film Bro bad, Normie good. NO GATEKEEP!
I'm sorry, did you just unironically say The Godfather is a "surface level good movie"???
Meaning it's a good movie that most people know, not that the movie itself is surface level
See, the "film Normie films" are genuinely good (usually), but there is this ridiculous amount of pretentious film watchers. Like no, a film released 8000 years ago, that is 12 hours long and has no story isnt good. You arent better than anyone else for calling that your favourite film. lol.
Absolutely.
its norming time!
BTW "12 Angry Men" Is the greatest movie of all time.
Looking at your top 100 your just as much of a Normie that anyone else is. To categorize cinema based of who likes the film and not their inherent qualities is dumb. Finding and reading your letterboxed reviews really exposes just how basic your analysis is
Barry Lyndon 1 star because it’s “boring” is irredeemable.
You're*
Also, you apparently didn't watch that video but that's okay. Also also, I'm not categorizing cinema, I would be categorizing the audience. Also also also, your literacy level excuses you for not being able to register jokes, that's okay. Also also also also, this video is actually quite positive on the idea of a film normie therefore this isn't the dunk you think it is.
Keep trying bozo.
@@kritpickproductionsyou are a normie, maybe even a film bro with no film knowledge
Why do I get the sense, by Normie you mean Trump supporter?
I don't, I said that being a normie is valid
I just fucking love good fellas