I still want the arrow, something about going against the meta and using unpractical/unconventional methods to playing games really makes me feel good. Especially when/if you can become proficient
The Arrow is the meta. It's still a superior fighter after removing a shield. If you want to go unpractical, pick the Gladius. It's bigger and less agile the Arrow and does not even have a superior DPS potential.
I have to begin with saying that the production quality of the video is absolutely stunning. I already know all about these ships so I was planning on skipping to the end to hear your conclusions but I was left just enjoying how well edited the video was. However, as I often see in these comparison videos the verdict seems heavily based on numbers and not on actual in game experience. This is completely understandable since acquiring ships in-game is either expensive or time consumable and even then it takes time to actually compare them in a sufficient amount of situations. I think this video is great for anybody making their mind up over what ship to get but having flown the Arrow extensively I must say that when the Arrow had 2 shields it was extremely out performing the Gladius and I would still argue that it is quite a lot stronger in a 1v1 match up, here is why. The Arrow is ridiculously agile and can mitigate almost all damage from any weapon while still being able to land shots itself thanks to being much smaller and faster in strafing motions. Although the Gladius can have twice the amount of shield health and has more hull health this isn't the strength of a light fighter. If you start to take consistent damage in a squishy ship such as these you aren't going to last much longer anyways. On paper the extra hp is huge but in practice you will find that 6000 extra shield depletes in a matter of seconds once you start taking damage and if that extra agility and smaller size lets you avoid just a few seconds of fire it will already have made up for whatever advantage the other ship has. Lastly there is one more advantage to the Arrow that I find very overlooked, the position of the guns. Both the Gladius and Arrow have wings that very easily get ripped off, especially when being hit by missiles. The Arrow has all its guns on the body which means that it won't lose firepower when losing a wing (assuming you have fired your missiles which are on the wings). The Gladius can suffer immensely since it has two of the guns on the wings and will almost have no chance to keep going once both wings have been lost. I hope this adds a bit to the discussion about these two ships and I must say I really love them both. In my opinion both ships are very capable light fighters and among the best 1v1 ships in the game currently. They have their pros and cons but most importantly they have different play styles. If anyone is considering getting one of these ships I would strongly suggest to try them both first by asking around in game, most people will gladly lend you their ship to try out. Stay safe and wash your hands!
I have the Gladius beacuse I just love that ship, but I cannot deny what you said. I was able to fight off Arrows in the past and all of them was difficult. I have lost more times againts them than I have won. :c And that is especially true if the ship was upgraded and was flown by an expert.
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having flown both i really like the flexablity of the arrow to fit in places the gladius cant , with more ways to carry craft in bigger ships, fitting 2 arrows over one gladius in the same space makes it more useful to a org in operations IMO
Late to the party, but yes. It seemed like a close fight as I was going through the details - higher agility for lower hull strength and slightly less missile power, sure. Then the shield generators came up. Why they thought giving one light fighter half the shield potential of the other when they were supposed to be competitive is beyond me...
I know this comment is 4 months late but I find myself agreeing. I guess a case could be made about how the arrow can fold up and has a smaller profile but at the end of the day missiles don't seem to care about your target profile. Honestly after the shield nerf the Anvil Hawk feels like a better light fighter than the arrow. Its faster, just as maneuverable and has an emp. Sure it lacks missiles but it also has a bed/prison cell. It honestly seems like they never wanted the Arrow and Gladius to compete after the shield change.
The Arrow - even after removing a shield - is still a superior dog fighter to the Gladius. If you actually fly these two ships in game, you will notice how hard the Arrow is to hit. I still love the Gladius because of its looks and its standard UEE fighter status. But I die more in it than in the Arrow.
Comparing both (starting with the gladius and playing with the arrow as it became available) with shorter ranged hard munitions from 2.7-3.12 I came to the other conclusion. The durability it offers over the arrow is not worth the reduction of maneuverability. It felt like any encounter in which I put myself intro in AC or the PTU in which I wanted that extra durability, I would be better off running a hornet (especially one with the M turret attached) or other heavy fighter instead. There seems to be a weird uncanny valley in fighter performance in that the multirole fighters are falling into pre 3.13.2-3.14 (which I can't speak on, as my HOSAS is having some issues and I haven't had the time to fix yet).
I got the Galdius first, fell in love and it was that ship that I felt right in...then the Arrow came. I kept eyeballing it and ended up swapping. Loved the nimbleness of the arrow but in the end I went back to the Pirate Gladius simply because it was more my style, and I worked hard for that Pirate skin.
@Bastien House, completing pirate storm only give you access to buy it in the pledge store. Its not free. While your there look at the pirate aggressor pack that is also unlocked. Its a good deal if you want a cat.
@@SubliminaLstv Oh ok, thank you ^^ You know the price ? Is it like a full Gladius price, or is it a 5$ thing, adding a ship into your inventory ? Ok I'll check for the other one as well if I finish it somehow, Multiplayer Pirate does not seem to work since 3.9 Anyway, thank you for the answers ^^
As someone who has only flown an arrow and not a gladius, I can't comment from personal experience on the comparison. I can say, however, that the arrow feels incredibly fragile. It's a blast to fly until a single shot passes anywhere close to it, at which point it instantly explodes. Especially with autogimbals, I've found my much cheaper and less focused ship (the avenger) to be a better fighter than this dedicated fighter that can't even fit a cargo box. It makes me sad, since the arrow is so fun to fly, but I just don't use it at all now.
I've flown the Gladius a far bit and stat to stat it might be a better ship, but I just started flying the Arrow and man is it a bunch of fun to fly. It feels a bit more balanced and I can get more targets consistency. It's also a benefit that the weapons are closer to the main body vs further out on the wings, less likely to get blown off. I'm def going to try out your load out recommendations!
I'm really hoping physicalized armor will bring the Arrow to be right around where the Gladius is. I think when it comes to these two, they should be pretty similar so you can just select based on your personal taste and not because one is a league ahead of the other. Maybe the Arrow will be used more on carriers thanks its size and folding wings.
Great comparisation, though one question remains, why use either of them when there is the 325a. The 325a has a higher SCM speed and the same topspeed as both of them, is almost as maneuverable as the arrow, has a considerably higher damagepotential thanks to its S4 mount on the nose, has Cargospace, has an interieur and costs considerably less.
For that you'll have to wait for the upcoming Aegis Glaidus vs the 325a the real fight for the "King of the Light Fighters". But no seriously the amount of surface area that can be hit when you are behind a Gladius vs when you are behind a 325a is drastic. The Gladius is just harder to hit. And the gladius's in atmo flight is really good. There are reasons I have flown both and find myself really torn between the two. And I have a dedicated cargo ship. And Mass Drivers are literally broken right now.
The 325a is quite bigger. Also, it has the same max speed, but it doesn't has the same acceleration and overheats a lot more. And when the 325a loses a wing, it not only loses a weapon, but also a retro-thruster. The 325a is a very nice ship, but the gladius feels a lot better as a light fighter.
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i have the avenger titan as my starter but will be getting a 325a soon and a gladius ( just because i like the old tried and true) and i to am on a fixed income but i have time no rush this is not a verse to see who wins but a verse to explore enjoy travel pick a few fights and just have fun with friends you meet along the way people need to stop trying to win the game and should focus on enjoying the journey
@rk 4391 the 325a will become my mainstay though i will be adding some combat ships like the ecilipce just for fun but mostly i will be a lone wolf Mandalorian who wanders and enjoys the verse
I went from Titan to 325 old and then the rework. I actually liked the Titan better. Same DPS potential. Titan is slightly less nimble and much slower, but when armor comes in it should be much more tanky. The versatility of the ramp is much nicer. And can hold a bike or greycat. Cockpit is garbage but maybe they will make it look a bit less Drake at some point. But for the cost difference the 325 just doesn't bring enough to the table. I ended up melting the 325.
@@CptFugu oh i will keep the Avenger most of the ships i am getting will be for my own fleet to give me a veriaty in ships to use for jobs and just exploring
You will be able to upgrade or make your ship more stealthy depending on the mission by replacing your ships outer skin using an Anvil Crucible. The materials in hull plating can be modified to be lighter more agile and stealthy, or beefed up to take more of pounding. That’s the Crucibles specialty, combine the elements you want to make your ship reach its full potential and also why your not getting it all in one package, which gives the Crucible a business to perform. Im sure there will be limits to this otherwise the Drake Buccaneer would be able to wipe everything from the sky and make the Vanduul cry for mercy.
Keep in mind that those are carrier based fighters, in a small system like stanton it may be about ok, but pyro for instance is 3.5 times bigger than Stanton. Range will get more and more crucial in the future, fighters aren't made for lone work.
I'm going to hit this from a lore standpoint. Yes the arrow is Anvils answer to the gladius. However it was never adopted for probably many of the reasons the M16 hasnt been phased out. First the Gladius was being replaced very slowly by the Hornet. A medium fighter, which in turn is being replaced by the lightning a heavy fighter. Second the Arrow doesnt beat the Gladius enough to warrant replacing it. This is a general thing on why military equipment isnt replaced immediately when better tech comes out. But let's continue. While Anvil is know for building beefy ships the Arrow is their first foray into light fighters it goes with out saying that they would make design mistakes in doing such to try and compete
The thing to keep in mind is that there's more to balance between the light fighters than just their dogfighting performance. Their size matters for reasons other than target profile. You can fit 3 Arrows into a 890 Jump, you might not be able to even fit two Gladius or Buccs in that space. If you only have one extra crewman to fly the defensive fighter for you, then you don't want them flying the Arrow, you'd want one of the others. But if you have 3 people able to pilot defensive fighters for your ship, then you're going to have to use the Arrow. And in terms of balance in battle, an 890 Jump with a single Buccaneer isn't as much of a threat as an 890 Jump with 3 Arrows. So the amount of Arrows that can be easily deployed tilts the game balance towards them in a way that isn't based on their combat stats. It gets even more pronounced with something like a Kraken. Particularly if you want your air wing to be more profitable and utilitarian. You might want a Prospector, one of the single-person refinery ships that they're concepting, a Vulture, maybe a Vulcan too. And the pilot for each of those utility craft can also keep an Arrow on the deck of the ship for them to use in a fight, for four Arrows without using much of your valuable deck space. And if you had enough pilots you could absolutely jam-pack a Kraken with Arrows, moreso than any other light fighter. So it depends on your flight deck/hangar space, and how many pilots you have.
One more request. Do a comparison between Sabre Comet and Hawk? Or comparable. Flying in a Vanguard Harbinger (I consider this model as a missile boat like MIS, not as a heavy fighter. Polaris is a torpedo boat) a skilled pilot in a Comet Sabre ripped me and a component-upgraded Titan Avenger in a 5-minute battle. Another question, what's the difference (purpose ?) between sabre class of recon stealth fighters and your light fighters as it applies to use in SC?
Thanks for helping me decide on a light fighter. One thing I want to add along with a FL DUR to finish my little fleet. I am not as young as most and my eyesight and reflexes are way down from my youth. Missiles and survivability while being reasonably nimble is what I need!
I gave the Arrow a try - upgraded my package and bought the components. I've gotta say, it's a fun little ship but the only thing I don't like about it is the wings tend to rip easily, and your missile racks along with it. I hate the Strife Mass Drivers. They fire too slowly for my tastes. I'm going to replace them with 3 Hellions instead since I always seem to orbit around slower ships and engage them at nearly point-blank anyway.
the slower cannons have been fun on the Sabre since you get 4 of them, you can pretty much 1 or 2 tap a bucc before it even has the chance to get close. But yes for the arrow, scatterguns are really fun. I cant stand restocking ammo so i just go Dominance lasers.
Absolutely spot on review and comparative analysis. We can only hope the Arrow regains some of its lost luster by compensation for the 2nd shield generator that went astray.
Nice video ! Both seen to be awesome but i think i will get a 325a before one of those 2 . I like the versatibility of the 325a but the Gladius could be a nice 2e ship for me .
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Excellent review, particularly on the Arrow. Yes, don't give tours of the ships; however, do a tutorial with a link describing each component so we can keep up with this advanced review. Please do a Super Hornet v. comparable like this one. Like the arrow, I want to hold both of them (Super Hornet) when they come around to do improvements.
Acquiring ships in-game is exactly what I have done, I had to carry a lot of boxes and haul a lot of mineral but at the end it was worth it, a Player, McClusky also donated 1600+cr uncollicited and I am very grateful for the gesture. My choice was the Gladius, I positively love it and fitted it with 3 Querrelers, upgraded power plant, shields and QT engine. I took up my first bounty hunting mission with it and the target went bang after less than one second burst. The Querreler has longer range and load of poke, if the Anvil Arrow is more maneuverable, from long to medium range it is not as much of an advantage, there are ways to kill more maneuverable targets and it is to deny them their advantage, in short not to play the game to their tune. Use your superior speed to engage/disengage and dictacte the fight while denying the more agile ship a firing solution and keep ing them in range of your superior weapons. I could have got the Harrow but I don't regret my choice.
So I was like, what is a terrible rivalry. And I thought of them. So think about this both fighter are very good in their respective genres of fighting. HOWEVER WE ALL WOULD KNOW WHO WOULD WIN AN A GLADIATOR STYLE FIGHT TO THE DEATH!!!!
Hey Subliminal, big fan of your videos! While fighters aren't my thing I still enjoy watching all your videos man. Keep these coming because your production quality is BEAUTIFUL and your hard work and passion for this game is obvious!
The Arrow has some of the best acceleration, too, but that's not a listed stat and kind of has to be guessed by G's in flight. I'm not sure how tough it should be - maybe 4500 to 6000 total hp. But destructibility is a big part of balance and the Arrow really only loses its missiles if its wings are torn off, while the Gladius can be torn down into a list. Regardless, I have an Arrow right now with the idea that at the very least, its semi-stealth focus can compensate for a lot.
Great video thank you! Hopefully, you'll make a video about Super Hornet vs the Hurricane (In the future). You could be the first person to make a video on those 2 ships. I haven't seen one yet. But as of now, those ships aren't the best.
Yeah overall if you could only have one ship i would get the gladius but the fact that arrow is so nimble and fits in the carrack makes it more valuable. Totally agree about the armor i'm assuming ships like the anvils will get buffs when they work the armor in .
If only one thing were to change in 3 months that would be a blessing. Typically just after release they make a change that negates my recommendation. I'm developing a way for people to see my new recommendations for ships that I can update more frequently than making a new video. But it is a few weeks out at least.
Not saying this is the official take, but I really like the idea that there are manufacturer faux pas in the verse. Anvil taking a step outside of their comfort zone and making a less homogeneous design at the expense of inferiority is a lot more akin to real life. If everyone only bought what was superior on paper, we would have far less brand diversity today. Some manufacturer would have made the 'superior design' and put it's competitor out of business. The reality is, just like irl- these brands have fan-bases. Someone who is a fan of anvil, and is also looking for a light fighter may compromise on the fact that it is on paper, an inferior ship, and buy it any way. This allows a greater return for skill expression, while simultaneously granting a better sense of enjoyment in the game when you overcome paper odds. I can still down "superior" fighters in an arrow even today.
wondered the same, but maybe the description for it should be "both don't have turrets", like a human being sitting in it. But that might just be splitting hairs.
Yeah I've though of that, then I thought maybe ill change it to manned turret. And then I was like there is a difference between manned and remote turret. Then I said fuck it people will figure it out.
Yeah, manned turrets, remote turres and then things like the mustang and arrow, and freelancers have that are neither, and are more like dual weapons on a gimbal.
What is your recommendation equipment etc for the base hornet? This is subject to change: The arrow is able to refuel its hydrogen tanks in flight, but the gladius cant that i know of. For right now with the arrow your not tied to a carrier or short range runs.
When I bought the Arrow, I had a Saber, and in the end determined that the Arrow was redundant, there was very little I would use an arrow for that I would not rather take the Saber to. (maybe landing on a carrier of some sort? Which we did not have before the 890.) So I CCUed the arrow. As time went by, they removed that second shield and now I can't see owning an Arrow. I'd still like to see the match-up Arrow VS 325A. Where the cheaper ship just POUNDS the Arrow into the dirt.
I don't even think that would be a fight. 325A vs the Gladius would make good content. I still don't know what side of the fence im on. Agreed on the sabre thing. Once I get one I'm not sure ill need any other dog fighter ships.
@@CptFugu at the time, auto gimbals weren't a thing, and ballistics didn't pass through shields. Now I don't have either saber nor arrow, but I'd still choose the Saber. But bring on my Ion and I'll be 1 shotting arrows from 5000 meters
@@CptFugu you have to close the distance. 3800 damage per shot. You put a palisade shield on the Arrow. Gone in 3 shots. Ship dead on the 4th shot. About 6 seconds. Now if you go for the fast charge mirage. Shield gone in 1 shot. Ship dead on second shot. 1.3 seconds, and your still 5000 meters away.
do you think you could add to the "tests" some real time combat, to many this numbers dont mean anything. dont let this vid just be a help for professionals, let it also be a nice promo for beginners who think about buying the game.
I like the arrow much more than the gladius. But if i need a fighter, imma get me a saber. But the arrow is a nice 2nd choice for it's firepower and good looks.
I think the Arrow would actually outdps the Gladius in a full gimbal setup. That's because the Arrow can use 2x size 1s on the turret, which out dps a single size 2 gimbaled. Right?
I mean I think it's pretty fair. Being able to store the arrow on more ships is a huge benefit. It's a lot more powerful than a snub fighter, so I think it would be really beneficial to have one on board. You aren't going to get the gladius on anything but the biggest ships.
We all know the Gladius is the meta right now. On the brink of real gameplay it would be awesome to talk about ship composition. Combining a strike force of a combination of these light fighters with good pilots can definitely punch above its class.
I would argue that hull HP is a bland way to do it, they should go all out with the niche of the ship, if it's supposed to be the nimble fast light fighter make it WAY more nimble, and WAY more fast compared to the gladiator, but leave it made of paper defense wise. Currently it is just not outperforming the gladius enough in maneuverability to make the huge HP trade off worth it, but it'd be fine if the arrow could fly circles around other light fighters as a result of this trade off
In the future we should be able to remove those size 3 weapon hard points and replace them with missiles and vice versa also the arrow could get an upgrade and be able to use rocket pods.
Excellent toe to toe here. I melted my arrow three days after CIG decided we were getting too much for our hard earned money. The credits are still rotting away in my hangar, but I have no regrets.
@@SubliminaLstv It's worded funny. Saying it's detrimental sounds like you're saying it's a negative thing to have 4x2 missiles. If you mean it's detrimental to your opponent, then it makes sense with the meaning of the word but still doesn't sound right in the context of the way it's presented. If you would have said it was advantageous or something along those lines, then it would have made more sense in the way the information was presented.
In all of your vids you say cross section missiles have no countermeasures. We have chaff though. It's electromagnetic missiles that currently lack counter measures.
Nope. Electro Magnetic locks on to your EM signature. Cross Section uses an image so IRL your only counter measure would be dodging. Look it up tell me what you find.
They keep switching up the keybinds, I think you can press H to switch between chaff and flares. Chaff and flares are also IRL countermeasures used to evade missiles. Flares spoof IR missiles by burning bright hot and seducing the missile. Chaff spoof CS missiles by releasing a metal cloud that shows up easily on radar and blocks the missile from seeing it's target or tricks the missile into targeting the cloud. I also think you're using the term 'counter measure' when you mean 'counter strategy' where counter measures are physical ordinance. In the future, we should also see EM decoys that just make a bunch of electrical noise to attract electromagnetic missiles.
I'm not very well versed in the IRL terminology, I just play Star Citizen. I think I do understand how they work in in Star Citizen pretty well. This is what I found from the wiki "Infrared guidance can be fooled by flares and can potentially lock on to an incorrect target with a similar heat signature" "EM Missiles can be defeated with Chaff countermeasures" "Cross-Section (CS): Locks onto a ship's cross-section and appearance. Lock-on time is long compared to IR and EM locking, but more difficult to fool and unlikely to track the wrong target."
@@SubliminaLstv There's actually both IR and EM chaff in game, neither work reliably. I think most ships have two counter measures equipped, flares, IR chaff, or EM chaff. You have no control which type you have equipped. In the current game, I think IR and EM missiles are equally viable.
Can I buy this game? Is available to the public? Are there a lot of people and is it easy to meet people or is it fun to play online even? Game looks cool as shit but I'm not quite sure about the high high in price
Yes these ships are available to purchase in game. There are plenty of people. Although the best way to meet them is by joining discord servers. This is not a game it is an Alpha.
2 Things... I almost have enough referral points to get the Razor for free. And the M50 is about to get a rework in 4.0. So I would definitely do that sometime after all those things happen.
@@SubliminaLstv Would love to see that happen. Sorry I can't help with the referrals. I'm really looking forward to seeing what they do with the M50 rework.
I reallyt do hope they fix up the Arrow. It's a lovely little ship and definetly my favourite light fighter, but at the momment as it stands I have no chance going up against a gladius or a saber :(
I think that the Glad is more nimble than the arrow in 3.14. It shouldn't be though. Although it's much larger silhouette may have required the buff to keep its survivability on par with the arrow. Otherwise the UEE choosing it as their preferred fighter wouldn't make much sence.
Awesome review. Just downloaded the game yesterday and was looking at these two to buy for a second ship. This sold mean on the Gladius.... can you do the Retaliator next? I love the military looking ships!
The suggested cannons have a count of only 240, how quickly will these deplete? Can it even run a claim jumper mission solo with these? I would expect it to run out of ammo halfway through.
@@Bieblism Saw an old image with 3 Gladius, and plenty of room between, but apparently it's 25m across in the bay, and Arrows are like half that without their wings folded. There's a difference between getting ships in tight, and getting them in practically, but even staggered, I'd say there's a good chance we'd see quite a few more.
I know you're going to do a proper video on this eventually, but until then... Hawk vs Gladius vs Arrow Weight: The Hawk comes in second at 40,000kg Length: The Hawk again takes second at 17m, just 1m longer than the Arrow Cargo, Crew, QT Fuel Tank: all tied SCM Speed: The Hawk wins hands down with a SCM speed of 225m/s Top Speed: The Hawk once again blows the Arrow and Gladius away with a max speed of 1315m/sec Agility: The Hawk wins again, with a pitch rate that ties the Arrow at 75d/s, but a Yaw rate of 80d/s, beaten only by the MISC Razor and some snub craft in the entire game Hull HP: The Hawk tells both ships to talk to the hand with a hull strength of 7200hp Guns: The Hawk laughs maniacly with its 1941 default DPS NOTE: This is largely distortion damage, however with a full loadout of Neutron Repeaters, it still has a higher burst and sustained DPS than the Arrow and Gladius. Missiles: The Hawk has no missiles, but instead sports an EMP. Prisoner Pod: Hawk has one, only small ship besides the Avenger Stalker that does. Aesthetics: Arrow is shaped like an arrow, Gladius is...actually also shaped like an arrow. Hawk is literally shaped like a pissed off bird of prey swooping down to eat you alive. And when the EMP is charged it looks like a pissed off bird of prey wreathed in crackling lightning. I'd call this another Hawk win, but admittedly this is 100% subjective. OH AND UNLIKE THE ARROW, IT DOESN'T SACRIFICE HALF ITS SHIELDING TO BE AGILE! (The Hawk has 2 shield generators like most small ships.) Clearly, the Hawk is the superior light fighter here.
I haven't flown one yet, but I'm worried that the 'Hull HP' listed for the Hawk is misleading because it adds up all the little wings and bits and pieces that fall of so easily when you shoot at the Hawk. So that in practice Gladius seems tougher. What do you make of that?
Austin M.'s Ship Battle! But seriously do you use the hawk to fight against actual players? (That sounds nastier out of context) Those wings get shot off and you loose those little pea shooters that are attached. And Spreedom2 is correct it has more hull HP because it has more surface area. Hull HP is the total sum of all the parts of a ship that can get hit. Now the EMP is a learning curve that can be used to an advantage but then id probably go for another ship with an EMP over the hawk. It will be a great ship once you can put someone in the back and turn in a bounty. So I got to level 10 pirate swarm with the Gladius the other day. Let me know if you can do that with the hawk and I will review it in the near future.
@@SubliminaLstv I will give pirate swarm a try this weekend. I will tell you that I've taken down the following solo in the PU: A bucc, 2 cuttys, a valkyrie, and a cat. All at once. Shields never dropped, ship took no hull damage. I don't usually do PvP, but I have killed a player Arrow in my Hawk once using my old 6x GT-210 loadout. He did manage to rip off one of my 6 guns before I killed him, though. Keep in mind the same issue applies to the Arrow as to its missiles, whereas the Hawk will retain its EMP until you kill it. But yes, afaik none of the parts you can knock off a Gladius have guns attached. To be honest, I lose parts on the Hawk so seldom that it really isn't something I factor into it. It's agile enough I just don't run into things and nothing drops the shields unless it's something like a HH that kills it anyway. Now if we're talking about my Cutty Red, I feel like I've seen as much of its internals as the engineers who designed it, lol.
I don't understand why you always go for highest power output power plants and coolers. Even with full laser loadout you are looking at 2/3 of power and cooling used for Gladius. With the Breton it is less than half usage with weapons shooting, shields charging and ship manoeuvring. Over 50K aUEC for nothing. 21 second power down from EMP is most likely something you will not recover from. Cooling as well, replacing one cooler with Zero Rush with faster power up time for some of initial cooling is enough to get you going before you get enough cooling from your other cooler, or just double down on Zero Rush, 2 combined have enough cooling to effectively cool down your components
This video is 6 months old... Not sure how you came across you knowledge of coolers and power plants but it sounds alot like what I've been reccomending for the last 5 months I even made guides. ruclips.net/video/hzuI1gS1rcg/видео.html ruclips.net/video/11WDmh6r49k/видео.html Zero Rush for coolers (mostlikly no need to upgrade.) Slipstream for pp, unless its not efficient enough then JS-300
@@SubliminaLstv I recently got into SC and been looking at ships and which to get. You seem to have best information on what I am interested in and I like your comparison to other ships in similar categories. My understanding of coolers/power plants came from playing with erkul.games and I thought maybe there is something I was missing since in most videos you recommend highest power output/cooling components
The info we have is always changing and so is the game. Those 2 guides are up-to-date and ill either remove them or add something to the pinned comment if somthing significant changes. Back when I made this my idea was that if a cooler had 100k/s cooling and a request time of 3 seconds then after 1 second it would be cooling at 33k/s and if a cooler had a cooling rate of 200k/s and a request time of 3sec then at 1 second it would be cooling at 66k/s. This is why i recommended it however after some testing it seems that the thrusters, weapons, and components are pipe limited. You'd have to watch the cooler or power plant guide to understand it further. Also the links to my loadouts should take you to the updated ones.
The Gladius is kinda like the f-18 Hornet (dual engines) The arrow is kinda like the f-16 Falcon (single engine). That being said...... I like the Gladius cuz of the way it looks.
they'are both really good but the prices make the arrow easier to get. but the hull hp make and shields make the choice harder. ok i'll buy them both. big brain
Right now with 2 shields you can exploit shield properties as they stack with each other, if you install a high hitpoint shield and a regen shield you effectively make using energy weapons against the gladius pointless. So you are then forced to use ballistics and let's not get into the sledge/mass driver meta currently used.
Just read your post. This is how I understood it a couple of months back, but this is inaccurate. It may have been correct at some point. Shields use their individual properties to add to the facing of a shield pool. So if you have 1 shield gen with a hp pool of 1,000 and a regen of 200hp/s as well as a damage delay of 1 sec and another with shield with 2,000 pool, 400hp/s, and a 30s damage delay. Then after after 5 seconds of being hit shield 1 would have its max pool of 1,000 added but shield 2 wouldn't even start adding back to the pool until after 30sec. My understanding used to be that shield 1 and 2 would start regening after 1s because it would take whatever property was better. This is a myth. Im sorry for feeding into it. Also this scenario ignores draw request time don't get me started there after 3.10 ill do a components guide.
@@SubliminaLstv at the time the post was made both shields would receive the benefit of 1 shield of instant regen throwing out the delay of the shield with one. The shield of choice for the time was the palisades and veils. The palisades offered very high hitpoints and the veil offered instant regen for both shields.
I don't get it tho. I mean the Titan, which I never considered a pvp ship, has the same gun possibilities as these two dedicated fighters. While I doubt it's as maneuverable, it's no slacker either. I would think as dedicated fighters they would have more, or the Titan would have less.
It's not really about how big your guns are or the buc would be meta. If you can't consistantly apply or dodge damage you are dead in the water. It's not a horrible ship but if you are going to pvp on the cheep then a mustang will do you much better.
@@bolla999999999 Wasn’t really my point. I understand the maneuverability factor, hence why I mentioned it. I don’t have the Titan for pvp, just surprising it has the same firepower. Think of it logically. You are designing a ship. Yes, outmaneuvering is a must. But you also want to try and combine that with the best firepower you can. I would think you could do better than what a small delivery ship has on it. I mean, death by a thousand cuts with tiny guns is doable, but it simply takes longer and is less enjoyable. My arrow does just fine for pvp. But mainly play with friends and use the redeemer, hurricane or HH if we have enough people online. But then again I took out a dude in a Gladius yesterday in my MSR. It also has a lot to do with the pilot. The hurricane makes sense to me.
hello guys. i m considering buying the game. can anyone tell me, how many people are simultaneously on one server ? like, whats the chance of meeting a stranger in deep space ? also, what happens with the ship when i get destroyed ?
50 by now. Chances depends on where you are going. There are some hotspots around good trading routes. So every now and then you meet a few people, but it's not like their everywhere.
The Arrow was not "Nerfed" It was Corrected back to it's original design spec loadout. It was pitched with 1 shield generator not two. When it was put in the game it was given 2 shields and that proved to be too much of an advantage as it is harder to hit in game making it superior not different.
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I still want the arrow, something about going against the meta and using unpractical/unconventional methods to playing games really makes me feel good. Especially when/if you can become proficient
I concur 100%
The Arrow is the meta. It's still a superior fighter after removing a shield.
If you want to go unpractical, pick the Gladius. It's bigger and less agile the Arrow and does not even have a superior DPS potential.
Tis why i fly a hawk, talon and 325a as my light fighters! I dont dig meta ships either.
@@borkug1566 both are meta, pick a medium fighter you coward
Arrow is the meta for pvp
I have to begin with saying that the production quality of the video is absolutely stunning. I already know all about these ships so I was planning on skipping to the end to hear your conclusions but I was left just enjoying how well edited the video was. However, as I often see in these comparison videos the verdict seems heavily based on numbers and not on actual in game experience. This is completely understandable since acquiring ships in-game is either expensive or time consumable and even then it takes time to actually compare them in a sufficient amount of situations.
I think this video is great for anybody making their mind up over what ship to get but having flown the Arrow extensively I must say that when the Arrow had 2 shields it was extremely out performing the Gladius and I would still argue that it is quite a lot stronger in a 1v1 match up, here is why. The Arrow is ridiculously agile and can mitigate almost all damage from any weapon while still being able to land shots itself thanks to being much smaller and faster in strafing motions. Although the Gladius can have twice the amount of shield health and has more hull health this isn't the strength of a light fighter. If you start to take consistent damage in a squishy ship such as these you aren't going to last much longer anyways. On paper the extra hp is huge but in practice you will find that 6000 extra shield depletes in a matter of seconds once you start taking damage and if that extra agility and smaller size lets you avoid just a few seconds of fire it will already have made up for whatever advantage the other ship has. Lastly there is one more advantage to the Arrow that I find very overlooked, the position of the guns. Both the Gladius and Arrow have wings that very easily get ripped off, especially when being hit by missiles. The Arrow has all its guns on the body which means that it won't lose firepower when losing a wing (assuming you have fired your missiles which are on the wings). The Gladius can suffer immensely since it has two of the guns on the wings and will almost have no chance to keep going once both wings have been lost.
I hope this adds a bit to the discussion about these two ships and I must say I really love them both. In my opinion both ships are very capable light fighters and among the best 1v1 ships in the game currently. They have their pros and cons but most importantly they have different play styles. If anyone is considering getting one of these ships I would strongly suggest to try them both first by asking around in game, most people will gladly lend you their ship to try out. Stay safe and wash your hands!
Wow, you know your stuff!
I have the Gladius beacuse I just love that ship, but I cannot deny what you said. I was able to fight off Arrows in the past and all of them was difficult. I have lost more times againts them than I have won. :c And that is especially true if the ship was upgraded and was flown by an expert.
This comment enlighed me. The part about the wings is what might make me buy the arrow instead
As much as I love the gladius, I have to agree.
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having flown both i really like the flexablity of the arrow to fit in places the gladius cant , with more ways to carry craft in bigger ships, fitting 2 arrows over one gladius in the same space makes it more useful to a org in operations IMO
Late to the party, but yes. It seemed like a close fight as I was going through the details - higher agility for lower hull strength and slightly less missile power, sure.
Then the shield generators came up. Why they thought giving one light fighter half the shield potential of the other when they were supposed to be competitive is beyond me...
I know this comment is 4 months late but I find myself agreeing. I guess a case could be made about how the arrow can fold up and has a smaller profile but at the end of the day missiles don't seem to care about your target profile. Honestly after the shield nerf the Anvil Hawk feels like a better light fighter than the arrow. Its faster, just as maneuverable and has an emp. Sure it lacks missiles but it also has a bed/prison cell. It honestly seems like they never wanted the Arrow and Gladius to compete after the shield change.
The Arrow - even after removing a shield - is still a superior dog fighter to the Gladius. If you actually fly these two ships in game, you will notice how hard the Arrow is to hit.
I still love the Gladius because of its looks and its standard UEE fighter status. But I die more in it than in the Arrow.
@@Alphascrub_77 Gladius is the poster-boy of Squadron 42, of course they will give it more attention via better performance.
After playing with both, the gladius' extra hp and extra shield makes a world of a difference. Especially when hit with missiles
Just finished a Full Gimbaled Mass Drivers on it... Should try it 😂
Solo 15k Bounty Hunting rather easily after that x)
Comparing both (starting with the gladius and playing with the arrow as it became available) with shorter ranged hard munitions from 2.7-3.12 I came to the other conclusion. The durability it offers over the arrow is not worth the reduction of maneuverability. It felt like any encounter in which I put myself intro in AC or the PTU in which I wanted that extra durability, I would be better off running a hornet (especially one with the M turret attached) or other heavy fighter instead.
There seems to be a weird uncanny valley in fighter performance in that the multirole fighters are falling into pre 3.13.2-3.14 (which I can't speak on, as my HOSAS is having some issues and I haven't had the time to fix yet).
I got the Galdius first, fell in love and it was that ship that I felt right in...then the Arrow came. I kept eyeballing it and ended up swapping. Loved the nimbleness of the arrow but in the end I went back to the Pirate Gladius simply because it was more my style, and I worked hard for that Pirate skin.
How to get that ? Finish pirate mode ?
Finished Swarms thinking I'd get it ^^'
@@bastienhouse5202 yes, theres a Hammerhead you must defeat.
@Bastien House, completing pirate storm only give you access to buy it in the pledge store. Its not free. While your there look at the pirate aggressor pack that is also unlocked. Its a good deal if you want a cat.
@@SubliminaLstv Oh ok, thank you ^^
You know the price ? Is it like a full Gladius price, or is it a 5$ thing, adding a ship into your inventory ?
Ok I'll check for the other one as well if I finish it somehow, Multiplayer Pirate does not seem to work since 3.9
Anyway, thank you for the answers ^^
As someone who has only flown an arrow and not a gladius, I can't comment from personal experience on the comparison. I can say, however, that the arrow feels incredibly fragile. It's a blast to fly until a single shot passes anywhere close to it, at which point it instantly explodes. Especially with autogimbals, I've found my much cheaper and less focused ship (the avenger) to be a better fighter than this dedicated fighter that can't even fit a cargo box. It makes me sad, since the arrow is so fun to fly, but I just don't use it at all now.
I've flown the Gladius a far bit and stat to stat it might be a better ship, but I just started flying the Arrow and man is it a bunch of fun to fly. It feels a bit more balanced and I can get more targets consistency. It's also a benefit that the weapons are closer to the main body vs further out on the wings, less likely to get blown off. I'm def going to try out your load out recommendations!
I'm really hoping physicalized armor will bring the Arrow to be right around where the Gladius is. I think when it comes to these two, they should be pretty similar so you can just select based on your personal taste and not because one is a league ahead of the other. Maybe the Arrow will be used more on carriers thanks its size and folding wings.
You can fit arrow on carrack if you don't fold the wings ;). I mean it moves around but it doesn't damage anything!!!
i like the challenge of the nerfed arrow. really makes you move around instead of having a stationary fight in space to see who has stronger parts.
Great comparisation, though one question remains, why use either of them when there is the 325a. The 325a has a higher SCM speed and the same topspeed as both of them, is almost as maneuverable as the arrow, has a considerably higher damagepotential thanks to its S4 mount on the nose, has Cargospace, has an interieur and costs considerably less.
This!
For that you'll have to wait for the upcoming Aegis Glaidus vs the 325a the real fight for the "King of the Light Fighters". But no seriously the amount of surface area that can be hit when you are behind a Gladius vs when you are behind a 325a is drastic. The Gladius is just harder to hit. And the gladius's in atmo flight is really good. There are reasons I have flown both and find myself really torn between the two. And I have a dedicated cargo ship. And Mass Drivers are literally broken right now.
The 325a is quite bigger. Also, it has the same max speed, but it doesn't has the same acceleration and overheats a lot more. And when the 325a loses a wing, it not only loses a weapon, but also a retro-thruster. The 325a is a very nice ship, but the gladius feels a lot better as a light fighter.
Agreed! @Neon
I like the caliber of these discussions. Keep going!
Another excellent video
Where you speak clearly and I can understand every word that you were speaking 👍
Thank you lol.
@@SubliminaLstv you are welcome
We are thinking about calling our org
Grandpa warriors what do you thinking Earth brother?
I think that you guys should do this but practice "social distancing" for in person meeting for right now, LoL. But no, that sounds really cool.
@@SubliminaLstv are small retirement community of 150 people got our test results back this morning
We're all clear
Are retirement communityis half a mile out of town we did separate ourselves until we all got our results back this morning
And thank you for your care and consideration in our Earth brother 🙂
@@SubliminaLstv we were wondering if you could make a video on this topic?
i have the avenger titan as my starter but will be getting a 325a soon and a gladius ( just because i like the old tried and true) and i to am on a fixed income but i have time no rush this is not a verse to see who wins but a verse to explore enjoy travel pick a few fights and just have fun with friends you meet along the way people need to stop trying to win the game and should focus on enjoying the journey
Truer words have never been spoken sir!
@rk 4391 the 325a will become my mainstay though i will be adding some combat ships like the ecilipce just for fun but mostly i will be a lone wolf Mandalorian who wanders and enjoys the verse
I went from Titan to 325 old and then the rework. I actually liked the Titan better. Same DPS potential. Titan is slightly less nimble and much slower, but when armor comes in it should be much more tanky. The versatility of the ramp is much nicer. And can hold a bike or greycat. Cockpit is garbage but maybe they will make it look a bit less Drake at some point. But for the cost difference the 325 just doesn't bring enough to the table. I ended up melting the 325.
Those are all cheap ships. Consider getting them in game. Keep the Avenger, it has the best overall potential.
@@CptFugu oh i will keep the Avenger most of the ships i am getting will be for my own fleet to give me a veriaty in ships to use for jobs and just exploring
You will be able to upgrade or make your ship more stealthy depending on the mission by replacing your ships outer skin using an Anvil Crucible. The materials in hull plating can be modified to be lighter more agile and stealthy, or beefed up to take more of pounding. That’s the Crucibles specialty, combine the elements you want to make your ship reach its full potential and also why your not getting it all in one package, which gives the Crucible a business to perform. Im sure there will be limits to this otherwise the Drake Buccaneer would be able to wipe everything from the sky and make the Vanduul cry for mercy.
Upgraded my Avenger Titan to a Gladius because of this video. Great work, Subliminal.
Great to hear!
Keep in mind that those are carrier based fighters, in a small system like stanton it may be about ok, but pyro for instance is 3.5 times bigger than Stanton.
Range will get more and more crucial in the future, fighters aren't made for lone work.
I'm going to hit this from a lore standpoint.
Yes the arrow is Anvils answer to the gladius. However it was never adopted for probably many of the reasons the M16 hasnt been phased out.
First the Gladius was being replaced very slowly by the Hornet. A medium fighter, which in turn is being replaced by the lightning a heavy fighter.
Second the Arrow doesnt beat the Gladius enough to warrant replacing it. This is a general thing on why military equipment isnt replaced immediately when better tech comes out.
But let's continue. While Anvil is know for building beefy ships the Arrow is their first foray into light fighters it goes with out saying that they would make design mistakes in doing such to try and compete
The thing to keep in mind is that there's more to balance between the light fighters than just their dogfighting performance. Their size matters for reasons other than target profile. You can fit 3 Arrows into a 890 Jump, you might not be able to even fit two Gladius or Buccs in that space. If you only have one extra crewman to fly the defensive fighter for you, then you don't want them flying the Arrow, you'd want one of the others. But if you have 3 people able to pilot defensive fighters for your ship, then you're going to have to use the Arrow. And in terms of balance in battle, an 890 Jump with a single Buccaneer isn't as much of a threat as an 890 Jump with 3 Arrows. So the amount of Arrows that can be easily deployed tilts the game balance towards them in a way that isn't based on their combat stats.
It gets even more pronounced with something like a Kraken. Particularly if you want your air wing to be more profitable and utilitarian. You might want a Prospector, one of the single-person refinery ships that they're concepting, a Vulture, maybe a Vulcan too. And the pilot for each of those utility craft can also keep an Arrow on the deck of the ship for them to use in a fight, for four Arrows without using much of your valuable deck space. And if you had enough pilots you could absolutely jam-pack a Kraken with Arrows, moreso than any other light fighter. So it depends on your flight deck/hangar space, and how many pilots you have.
One more request. Do a comparison between Sabre Comet and Hawk? Or comparable. Flying in a Vanguard Harbinger (I consider this model as a missile boat like MIS, not as a heavy fighter. Polaris is a torpedo boat) a skilled pilot in a Comet Sabre ripped me and a component-upgraded Titan Avenger in a 5-minute battle. Another question, what's the difference (purpose ?) between sabre class of recon stealth fighters and your light fighters as it applies to use in SC?
Thanks for helping me decide on a light fighter. One thing I want to add along with a FL DUR to finish my little fleet. I am not as young as most and my eyesight and reflexes are way down from my youth. Missiles and survivability while being reasonably nimble is what I need!
I gave the Arrow a try - upgraded my package and bought the components. I've gotta say, it's a fun little ship but the only thing I don't like about it is the wings tend to rip easily, and your missile racks along with it.
I hate the Strife Mass Drivers. They fire too slowly for my tastes. I'm going to replace them with 3 Hellions instead since I always seem to orbit around slower ships and engage them at nearly point-blank anyway.
the slower cannons have been fun on the Sabre since you get 4 of them, you can pretty much 1 or 2 tap a bucc before it even has the chance to get close. But yes for the arrow, scatterguns are really fun. I cant stand restocking ammo so i just go Dominance lasers.
Absolutely spot on review and comparative analysis. We can only hope the Arrow regains some of its lost luster by compensation for the 2nd shield generator that went astray.
Nice video ! Both seen to be awesome but i think i will get a 325a before one of those 2 . I like the versatibility of the 325a but the Gladius could be a nice 2e ship for me .
How is it that he has only 9k subscribers? Keep up the great work dude! Love it
RUclips has this thing called an Algorithm that makes gaining subscribers like climbing a ladder very slow. Unless you make content on something that is trending, like the Kardashians or some shit.
Ey, I know I'm late but I wanted to say thank you, for if it weren't for RUclipsrs like you and the community Star citizen has, I would be lost and I wouldn't have played the game enough to understand it's true beauty, as a sci-fi nerd I never thought I would ever experience something like this even in late 2012 when I found out that this game existed, even through the bugs and broken shit, I will still back this game even if my opinion may not be popular and I look to people like you who help me to learn and understand this wonderful verse and glorious Stanton solar system.
Thank you! 😃
Excellent review, particularly on the Arrow. Yes, don't give tours of the ships; however, do a tutorial with a link describing each component so we can keep up with this advanced review. Please do a Super Hornet v. comparable like this one. Like the arrow, I want to hold both of them (Super Hornet) when they come around to do improvements.
Acquiring ships in-game is exactly what I have done, I had to carry a lot of boxes and haul a lot of mineral but at the end it was worth it, a Player, McClusky also donated 1600+cr uncollicited and I am very grateful for the gesture. My choice was the Gladius, I positively love it and fitted it with 3 Querrelers, upgraded power plant, shields and QT engine. I took up my first bounty hunting mission with it and the target went bang after less than one second burst. The Querreler has longer range and load of poke, if the Anvil Arrow is more maneuverable, from long to medium range it is not as much of an advantage, there are ways to kill more maneuverable targets and it is to deny them their advantage, in short not to play the game to their tune. Use your superior speed to engage/disengage and dictacte the fight while denying the more agile ship a firing solution and keep ing them in range of your superior weapons. I could have got the Harrow but I don't regret my choice.
very good comparison, good and great job ! is the comparison still valid 2 years later, today, between these two?
Good points my friend. This should be the F22 to the F18. The Arrow should have two shield generators.
I think it should have two shields and only two weapon hard points as compensation for the higher maneuverability
Another ripper vid sub keep up with em. Stay safe and healthy in these trying times.
Thank you sir!
Great review sub I appreciate the time and effort you but in always a pleasure thank you.👍
Thank you!
Thanks for the video i searched long for an up to date comparission
Mayweather vs McGregor analogy was a bit lost on me. Are we talking MMA/fighting or Boxing? ;) Anyway...thumbs up. Keep them coming.
So I was like, what is a terrible rivalry. And I thought of them. So think about this both fighter are very good in their respective genres of fighting. HOWEVER WE ALL WOULD KNOW WHO WOULD WIN AN A GLADIATOR STYLE FIGHT TO THE DEATH!!!!
Hey Subliminal, big fan of your videos! While fighters aren't my thing I still enjoy watching all your videos man. Keep these coming because your production quality is BEAUTIFUL and your hard work and passion for this game is obvious!
awesome video, awesome quality. wish you could pump 100 videos a day :D but once again thanks for the time!
I wish I could too, Thanks for watching.
The Arrow has some of the best acceleration, too, but that's not a listed stat and kind of has to be guessed by G's in flight. I'm not sure how tough it should be - maybe 4500 to 6000 total hp. But destructibility is a big part of balance and the Arrow really only loses its missiles if its wings are torn off, while the Gladius can be torn down into a list.
Regardless, I have an Arrow right now with the idea that at the very least, its semi-stealth focus can compensate for a lot.
Another awesome production! It looks like the arrow now has a turret but until the computer blades come in there's no benefit that I can see.
Great video thank you! Hopefully, you'll make a video about Super Hornet vs the Hurricane (In the future). You could be the first person to make a video on those 2 ships. I haven't seen one yet. But as of now, those ships aren't the best.
Agreed!
@@SubliminaLstv They need to buff the sabre raven. The Hawk is OP compared to that ship.
Super Hornet all day though. Just because the Hurricane is trash if you dont have someone on the turret.
Your reviews are amazing, just THAK YOU !
Glad you like them!
I feel the need for speed!
One of my favourite topics these two!
I think the 325a vs the Gladius would have been a better topic but the people voted!
@@SubliminaLstv Yea I think so too, do that one next
@Omppu It will be the next ship battle for sure.
@@SubliminaLstv, that would be awesome, those two really need a good comparison.
Yeah overall if you could only have one ship i would get the gladius but the fact that arrow is so nimble and fits in the carrack makes it more valuable. Totally agree about the armor i'm assuming ships like the anvils will get buffs when they work the armor in .
I like those videos though I got issues with you recommending shield pen glitched massdrivers to people which are on the roadmap for fixing with 4.0.
If only one thing were to change in 3 months that would be a blessing. Typically just after release they make a change that negates my recommendation. I'm developing a way for people to see my new recommendations for ships that I can update more frequently than making a new video. But it is a few weeks out at least.
Not saying this is the official take, but I really like the idea that there are manufacturer faux pas in the verse. Anvil taking a step outside of their comfort zone and making a less homogeneous design at the expense of inferiority is a lot more akin to real life. If everyone only bought what was superior on paper, we would have far less brand diversity today. Some manufacturer would have made the 'superior design' and put it's competitor out of business. The reality is, just like irl- these brands have fan-bases. Someone who is a fan of anvil, and is also looking for a light fighter may compromise on the fact that it is on paper, an inferior ship, and buy it any way. This allows a greater return for skill expression, while simultaneously granting a better sense of enjoyment in the game when you overcome paper odds. I can still down "superior" fighters in an arrow even today.
"Neither ship has turrets" (seconds later) "the Arrow has a proprietary Arrow turret"
wondered the same, but maybe the description for it should be "both don't have turrets", like a human being sitting in it. But that might just be splitting hairs.
Yeah I've though of that, then I thought maybe ill change it to manned turret. And then I was like there is a difference between manned and remote turret. Then I said fuck it people will figure it out.
Yeah Ive thought about if, but said people will figure it out.
Yeah, manned turrets, remote turres and then things like the mustang and arrow, and freelancers have that are neither, and are more like dual weapons on a gimbal.
Exactly but the game refers to them as a turret.
What is your recommendation equipment etc for the base hornet? This is subject to change: The arrow is able to refuel its hydrogen tanks in flight, but the gladius cant that i know of. For right now with the arrow your not tied to a carrier or short range runs.
I have both but I prefer flying the Arrow, sure it cant take a hit like the Gladius but it can avoid the hits better.
When I bought the Arrow, I had a Saber, and in the end determined that the Arrow was redundant, there was very little I would use an arrow for that I would not rather take the Saber to. (maybe landing on a carrier of some sort? Which we did not have before the 890.)
So I CCUed the arrow. As time went by, they removed that second shield and now I can't see owning an Arrow.
I'd still like to see the match-up Arrow VS 325A. Where the cheaper ship just POUNDS the Arrow into the dirt.
I don't even think that would be a fight. 325A vs the Gladius would make good content. I still don't know what side of the fence im on. Agreed on the sabre thing. Once I get one I'm not sure ill need any other dog fighter ships.
And yet, I eat Sabers in an Arrow as it is.
@@CptFugu at the time, auto gimbals weren't a thing, and ballistics didn't pass through shields.
Now I don't have either saber nor arrow, but I'd still choose the Saber. But bring on my Ion and I'll be 1 shotting arrows from 5000 meters
@@LordTiberius52 Good luck that. I am looking forward to some tasty Ions. On one thing you are right though, they will get one shot. :D
@@CptFugu you have to close the distance. 3800 damage per shot. You put a palisade shield on the Arrow. Gone in 3 shots. Ship dead on the 4th shot. About 6 seconds.
Now if you go for the fast charge mirage. Shield gone in 1 shot. Ship dead on second shot. 1.3 seconds, and your still 5000 meters away.
do you think you could add to the "tests" some real time combat, to many this numbers dont mean anything. dont let this vid just be a help for professionals, let it also be a nice promo for beginners who think about buying the game.
what is more noticable , the 1 less shield or the better arrow movement ?
Hey can you make a ship battle between the sabre and the super-hornet???
Yes shortly after I review them both individually.
The Hornet really needs another pass from CIG right now. I do love them though.
I like the arrow much more than the gladius. But if i need a fighter, imma get me a saber. But the arrow is a nice 2nd choice for it's firepower and good looks.
Why not get both? :)
I'd like to see the constellation Pheonix up against the origin 600i
I would also like to see a comparison video for these two ships.
Yes! Arrow v. Gladius!
Are these stats still true for both ships?
Probably not unfortunately. So much has changed. I personally prefer the arrow now.
@@SubliminaLstv Okay. I'll consider it. Thanks! Does the Arrow fit in the Carrack?
Video made me grab a Gladius. Going to grind to get that build on it.
I'd love to see Freelancer MIS vs Cutlass Black
A freelancer vs cutlass black would be a better video. MIS vs any Cutty is a beat-down ready to happen.
I am still new to the game but I heared, that the Sabre is also a very good merc or bounty hunter ship.
Yes it is.
@@SubliminaLstv Any chances to see a Buyers Guide for this ship on your channel? Allways awesome and very helpfull.
I will. Not soon but not too far away either.
I think the Arrow would actually outdps the Gladius in a full gimbal setup. That's because the Arrow can use 2x size 1s on the turret, which out dps a single size 2 gimbaled. Right?
I'm saving up in game to buy one of these. I'm leaning Arrow because I can fit it in my Carrack
The Arrow doesnt fit in the Carrack. ruclips.net/video/QalYGuyvR8I/видео.html
@@Breathless8931 it does, you just need to keep the wings down.
And don't stock the carrack with an arrow inside,or it will explode on spawn.
I mean I think it's pretty fair. Being able to store the arrow on more ships is a huge benefit. It's a lot more powerful than a snub fighter, so I think it would be really beneficial to have one on board. You aren't going to get the gladius on anything but the biggest ships.
We all know the Gladius is the meta right now. On the brink of real gameplay it would be awesome to talk about ship composition. Combining a strike force of a combination of these light fighters with good pilots can definitely punch above its class.
Perfect explanation at the end, the Arrow should have a slightly more HP, but not much
But it has like 33% less that's the problem. It needs its hull HP doubled.
I would argue that hull HP is a bland way to do it, they should go all out with the niche of the ship, if it's supposed to be the nimble fast light fighter make it WAY more nimble, and WAY more fast compared to the gladiator, but leave it made of paper defense wise.
Currently it is just not outperforming the gladius enough in maneuverability to make the huge HP trade off worth it, but it'd be fine if the arrow could fly circles around other light fighters as a result of this trade off
In the future we should be able to remove those size 3 weapon hard points and replace them with missiles and vice versa also the arrow could get an upgrade and be able to use rocket pods.
Excellent toe to toe here. I melted my arrow three days after CIG decided we were getting too much for our hard earned money. The credits are still rotting away in my hangar, but I have no regrets.
The Arrow should have a size 0 shield added to it, so it's not such a hard nerf.
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I'm confused. How is the capability to have 4 size 3 missile racks "detrimental?"
2 extra missiles? I calculated having 6 strikeforce II's on an arrow vs 8 strikefoce II to a gladius adds $33% more missile payload!
@@SubliminaLstv It's worded funny. Saying it's detrimental sounds like you're saying it's a negative thing to have 4x2 missiles. If you mean it's detrimental to your opponent, then it makes sense with the meaning of the word but still doesn't sound right in the context of the way it's presented. If you would have said it was advantageous or something along those lines, then it would have made more sense in the way the information was presented.
@@JJ-cn1bk yep.
I wish they’d given the arrow two shields and one less gun hard point as balance for its maneuverability.
In all of your vids you say cross section missiles have no countermeasures. We have chaff though. It's electromagnetic missiles that currently lack counter measures.
Nope. Electro Magnetic locks on to your EM signature. Cross Section uses an image so IRL your only counter measure would be dodging. Look it up tell me what you find.
They keep switching up the keybinds, I think you can press H to switch between chaff and flares.
Chaff and flares are also IRL countermeasures used to evade missiles. Flares spoof IR missiles by burning bright hot and seducing the missile. Chaff spoof CS missiles by releasing a metal cloud that shows up easily on radar and blocks the missile from seeing it's target or tricks the missile into targeting the cloud.
I also think you're using the term 'counter measure' when you mean 'counter strategy' where counter measures are physical ordinance.
In the future, we should also see EM decoys that just make a bunch of electrical noise to attract electromagnetic missiles.
I'm not very well versed in the IRL terminology, I just play Star Citizen. I think I do understand how they work in in Star Citizen pretty well. This is what I found from the wiki
"Infrared guidance can be fooled by flares and can potentially lock on to an incorrect target with a similar heat signature"
"EM Missiles can be defeated with Chaff countermeasures"
"Cross-Section (CS): Locks onto a ship's cross-section and appearance. Lock-on time is long compared to IR and EM locking, but more difficult to fool and unlikely to track the wrong target."
@@SubliminaLstv There's actually both IR and EM chaff in game, neither work reliably.
I think most ships have two counter measures equipped, flares, IR chaff, or EM chaff. You have no control which type you have equipped.
In the current game, I think IR and EM missiles are equally viable.
Can I buy this game? Is available to the public? Are there a lot of people and is it easy to meet people or is it fun to play online even? Game looks cool as shit but I'm not quite sure about the high high in price
Yes these ships are available to purchase in game. There are plenty of people. Although the best way to meet them is by joining discord servers. This is not a game it is an Alpha.
Avantage of the arrow will be seen when carrier will join the universe !
However will the sledger II meta change a day ?
The shield generator feels like a deal breaker
smashed that sub, great video great content, Thank you!
Thank you!
Holy crap, did they nerf ballistic ammo cap? My Gladius only has like 265 rounds in the mantis.
How about doing the M50 versus the Razor battle?
2 Things... I almost have enough referral points to get the Razor for free. And the M50 is about to get a rework in 4.0. So I would definitely do that sometime after all those things happen.
@@SubliminaLstv Would love to see that happen. Sorry I can't help with the referrals. I'm really looking forward to seeing what they do with the M50 rework.
I reallyt do hope they fix up the Arrow. It's a lovely little ship and definetly my favourite light fighter, but at the momment as it stands I have no chance going up against a gladius or a saber :(
I think that the Glad is more nimble than the arrow in 3.14. It shouldn't be though. Although it's much larger silhouette may have required the buff to keep its survivability on par with the arrow. Otherwise the UEE choosing it as their preferred fighter wouldn't make much sence.
The arrow fits in my carrack debate over
Awesome review. Just downloaded the game yesterday and was looking at these two to buy for a second ship. This sold mean on the Gladius.... can you do the Retaliator next? I love the military looking ships!
would you consider an argo personell transporter video explaining its purpose other than just being a cute wally clone ?
The suggested cannons have a count of only 240, how quickly will these deplete? Can it even run a claim jumper mission solo with these? I would expect it to run out of ammo halfway through.
Also if someone could suggest cannons that would suit both claim jumpers and PVP I would appreciate it.
Now I want to know how many of each I can fit in an Idris lol
if I were to guess, 2 gladiuses, or 3 arrows
@@Bieblism Saw an old image with 3 Gladius, and plenty of room between, but apparently it's 25m across in the bay, and Arrows are like half that without their wings folded. There's a difference between getting ships in tight, and getting them in practically, but even staggered, I'd say there's a good chance we'd see quite a few more.
Bruh great video, I'm subscribing to your channel
`Please keep up the great work!! Great video!
Thank you!
I know you're going to do a proper video on this eventually, but until then...
Hawk vs Gladius vs Arrow
Weight: The Hawk comes in second at 40,000kg
Length: The Hawk again takes second at 17m, just 1m longer than the Arrow
Cargo, Crew, QT Fuel Tank: all tied
SCM Speed: The Hawk wins hands down with a SCM speed of 225m/s
Top Speed: The Hawk once again blows the Arrow and Gladius away with a max speed of 1315m/sec
Agility: The Hawk wins again, with a pitch rate that ties the Arrow at 75d/s, but a Yaw rate of 80d/s, beaten only by the MISC Razor and some snub craft in the entire game
Hull HP: The Hawk tells both ships to talk to the hand with a hull strength of 7200hp
Guns: The Hawk laughs maniacly with its 1941 default DPS
NOTE: This is largely distortion damage, however with a full loadout of Neutron Repeaters, it still has a higher burst and sustained DPS than the Arrow and Gladius.
Missiles: The Hawk has no missiles, but instead sports an EMP.
Prisoner Pod: Hawk has one, only small ship besides the Avenger Stalker that does.
Aesthetics: Arrow is shaped like an arrow, Gladius is...actually also shaped like an arrow. Hawk is literally shaped like a pissed off bird of prey swooping down to eat you alive. And when the EMP is charged it looks like a pissed off bird of prey wreathed in crackling lightning. I'd call this another Hawk win, but admittedly this is 100% subjective.
OH AND UNLIKE THE ARROW, IT DOESN'T SACRIFICE HALF ITS SHIELDING TO BE AGILE! (The Hawk has 2 shield generators like most small ships.)
Clearly, the Hawk is the superior light fighter here.
I haven't flown one yet, but I'm worried that the 'Hull HP' listed for the Hawk is misleading because it adds up all the little wings and bits and pieces that fall of so easily when you shoot at the Hawk. So that in practice Gladius seems tougher. What do you make of that?
Austin M.'s Ship Battle! But seriously do you use the hawk to fight against actual players? (That sounds nastier out of context) Those wings get shot off and you loose those little pea shooters that are attached. And Spreedom2 is correct it has more hull HP because it has more surface area. Hull HP is the total sum of all the parts of a ship that can get hit. Now the EMP is a learning curve that can be used to an advantage but then id probably go for another ship with an EMP over the hawk. It will be a great ship once you can put someone in the back and turn in a bounty. So I got to level 10 pirate swarm with the Gladius the other day. Let me know if you can do that with the hawk and I will review it in the near future.
@@SubliminaLstv I will give pirate swarm a try this weekend. I will tell you that I've taken down the following solo in the PU: A bucc, 2 cuttys, a valkyrie, and a cat. All at once. Shields never dropped, ship took no hull damage. I don't usually do PvP, but I have killed a player Arrow in my Hawk once using my old 6x GT-210 loadout. He did manage to rip off one of my 6 guns before I killed him, though.
Keep in mind the same issue applies to the Arrow as to its missiles, whereas the Hawk will retain its EMP until you kill it. But yes, afaik none of the parts you can knock off a Gladius have guns attached. To be honest, I lose parts on the Hawk so seldom that it really isn't something I factor into it. It's agile enough I just don't run into things and nothing drops the shields unless it's something like a HH that kills it anyway.
Now if we're talking about my Cutty Red, I feel like I've seen as much of its internals as the engineers who designed it, lol.
I don't understand why you always go for highest power output power plants and coolers. Even with full laser loadout you are looking at 2/3 of power and cooling used for Gladius. With the Breton it is less than half usage with weapons shooting, shields charging and ship manoeuvring. Over 50K aUEC for nothing. 21 second power down from EMP is most likely something you will not recover from. Cooling as well, replacing one cooler with Zero Rush with faster power up time for some of initial cooling is enough to get you going before you get enough cooling from your other cooler, or just double down on Zero Rush, 2 combined have enough cooling to effectively cool down your components
This video is 6 months old...
Not sure how you came across you knowledge of coolers and power plants but it sounds alot like what I've been reccomending for the last 5 months I even made guides.
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Zero Rush for coolers (mostlikly no need to upgrade.)
Slipstream for pp, unless its not efficient enough then JS-300
@@SubliminaLstv I recently got into SC and been looking at ships and which to get. You seem to have best information on what I am interested in and I like your comparison to other ships in similar categories. My understanding of coolers/power plants came from playing with erkul.games and I thought maybe there is something I was missing since in most videos you recommend highest power output/cooling components
The info we have is always changing and so is the game. Those 2 guides are up-to-date and ill either remove them or add something to the pinned comment if somthing significant changes. Back when I made this my idea was that if a cooler had 100k/s cooling and a request time of 3 seconds then after 1 second it would be cooling at 33k/s and if a cooler had a cooling rate of 200k/s and a request time of 3sec then at 1 second it would be cooling at 66k/s. This is why i recommended it however after some testing it seems that the thrusters, weapons, and components are pipe limited. You'd have to watch the cooler or power plant guide to understand it further. Also the links to my loadouts should take you to the updated ones.
The Gladius is kinda like the f-18 Hornet (dual engines)
The arrow is kinda like the f-16 Falcon (single engine).
That being said...... I like the Gladius cuz of the way it looks.
love my arrow
they'are both really good but the prices make the arrow easier to get. but the hull hp make and shields make the choice harder. ok i'll buy them both. big brain
I wanna see your review of the buccaneer 🏴☠️
Right now with 2 shields you can exploit shield properties as they stack with each other, if you install a high hitpoint shield and a regen shield you effectively make using energy weapons against the gladius pointless. So you are then forced to use ballistics and let's not get into the sledge/mass driver meta currently used.
Shields are kinda pointless now, havent seen a single ship using energy weapons lol .everyone use ballistic so they wil penetrate the shields
Wait what? Shields will stop 50% to 98% (100% for the sukoran) so shields do matter. They will stop up to half the ballistic fire.
@@SubliminaLstv Read my post
Just read your post. This is how I understood it a couple of months back, but this is inaccurate. It may have been correct at some point. Shields use their individual properties to add to the facing of a shield pool. So if you have 1 shield gen with a hp pool of 1,000 and a regen of 200hp/s as well as a damage delay of 1 sec and another with shield with 2,000 pool, 400hp/s, and a 30s damage delay. Then after after 5 seconds of being hit shield 1 would have its max pool of 1,000 added but shield 2 wouldn't even start adding back to the pool until after 30sec. My understanding used to be that shield 1 and 2 would start regening after 1s because it would take whatever property was better. This is a myth. Im sorry for feeding into it. Also this scenario ignores draw request time don't get me started there after 3.10 ill do a components guide.
@@SubliminaLstv at the time the post was made both shields would receive the benefit of 1 shield of instant regen throwing out the delay of the shield with one.
The shield of choice for the time was the palisades and veils. The palisades offered very high hitpoints and the veil offered instant regen for both shields.
I don't get it tho. I mean the Titan, which I never considered a pvp ship, has the same gun possibilities as these two dedicated fighters. While I doubt it's as maneuverable, it's no slacker either. I would think as dedicated fighters they would have more, or the Titan would have less.
It's not really about how big your guns are or the buc would be meta. If you can't consistantly apply or dodge damage you are dead in the water. It's not a horrible ship but if you are going to pvp on the cheep then a mustang will do you much better.
@@bolla999999999 Wasn’t really my point. I understand the maneuverability factor, hence why I mentioned it. I don’t have the Titan for pvp, just surprising it has the same firepower.
Think of it logically. You are designing a ship. Yes, outmaneuvering is a must. But you also want to try and combine that with the best firepower you can. I would think you could do better than what a small delivery ship has on it. I mean, death by a thousand cuts with tiny guns is doable, but it simply takes longer and is less enjoyable.
My arrow does just fine for pvp. But mainly play with friends and use the redeemer, hurricane or HH if we have enough people online.
But then again I took out a dude in a Gladius yesterday in my MSR. It also has a lot to do with the pilot.
The hurricane makes sense to me.
they nerfd the arrow, ugh god damn it.
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You can’t call it a ship battle if the ships don’t battle xD ❤️
hello guys.
i m considering buying the game.
can anyone tell me, how many people are simultaneously on one server ?
like, whats the chance of meeting a stranger in deep space ?
also, what happens with the ship when i get destroyed ?
50 by now. Chances depends on where you are going. There are some hotspots around good trading routes. So every now and then you meet a few people, but it's not like their everywhere.
Amazing comparison, thanks !
Ty for watching!
0:58 Arrow is tiny compared to Gladius, its reasonable for Arrow to have only 1 generator. Arrow looks like F-35 & I just hate the F-35 looks.
And then you find out that razor has 2 for a racing ship and the only ships with only 1 shield are snubs which an arrow is not
"Stop being a creeper and make this official" >_< AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that made my day ^^
with the 2xs1 top mount the arrow has more dps potential
The Arrow was not "Nerfed" It was Corrected back to it's original design spec loadout. It was pitched with 1 shield generator not two. When it was put in the game it was given 2 shields and that proved to be too much of an advantage as it is harder to hit in game making it superior not different.
Both are nice ships. But the 325 is way better.
325 has a toilet.
good content, subscibed