Oh, George, I love you and your builds. Quality, foresightful planning and attention to detail are qualities of all your builds. I enjoy you videos so much.
Simple measurements and calculations are all that is necessary to estimate the age of a cherry tree. They are all that’s necessary for you guys to build the perfect foundation with no squeaking and strong joists to hold whatever evenly. Love the precision.
Ha! I thought this was a different kind of plumbing! My first thought was "George is putting plumbing in the floor? OK." Then, as we reached the end of the video, I wondered when you were going to get to the plumbing! Then, the epiphany!
@@897aa33 1/2” plywood (and looks like George jumped to 3/4” for the Transits) plus a cork backed 1/4” finish floor on top of that. If the floor still feels cold after all that, wear socks or drop a small throw rug down. ☺️
@@897aa33 full airflow under the entire floor, the gaps between the ribs have nothing in them… maybe some Noico or something but otherwise airflow is open in his design.
@@turnpike420 do you mean dry heat airflow? Otherwise is even worse idea to have flow of cold oxygen creates even more condensation. There is special spray paint that creates small layer of insulation on metal. If you could spray aluminium batten before hand that would work.
I was watching Leon the Lobster (Brady channel) when I got your notification. If it wasn't so cool I'd of been FIRST!! lol Always gorgeous thoughtful work George.
George, Your floor system keeps evolving and improving. Noticed Alex did not grind to bare metal before adding the dollop of adhesive but instead added a strip of material in two locations between the floor and 1” aluminum. Can you share what that material is, would save a lot of time compared to grinding away paint? - Your Humble Student.
Correct, no more grinding. Probably not necessary, since it's all down pressure on the floor, no shear. In certain areas on the floor, there is no high spot for the aluminum joist to make contact. So we glue in a MDF spacer. It is important to know not to use these spacers in a load bearing area. In a load bearing area, a more structural spacer is required.
@@HumbleRoad I see that you are using Loctite Adhesive Sealant for the aluminum tube but cannot see what the type is from the video. Can you share what type it is and if you still using that?
Hey George ! I always like watching your videos. I am a glazier by trade, and we use laser levels for everything. When I plan on converting my current work van, (a sprinter 144 high roof 4x4) into a RV, I plan on parking the van in the shop, and using jack stands to raise the van. I'll shim the stands with metal shims, until the van floor is level in both directions. For the duration of the build I should be able to use my plumb and line lasers inside for measuring and layout. What do you think? Am I too optimistic that this would work?
IMHO, it will not work. This isn't a house you're building. Find the centerline on the floor and use it. Spend your time making a large square. You'll thank me later. 🤓 Good luck! 👍
The dollop of marine adhesive is thick and offers some thermal break. And the 3/4" plywood subfloor is a good insulator. In my opinion, the benefits of using aluminum outweigh the risks
@Humble Road Great floor design, on your 1x1 bar Aluminum stock, do you have good luck with a cheaper squared walled tube, example: T52 1.000 X 1.000 X 0.065 ALUMINUM 6063 SQUARE TUBE ?
I notice you are leveling it off the string but it appears you are using the adhesive thickness to adjust the strut height. Are you putting something under the aluminum struts or relying on the adhesive to harden and not move?
Ideally exert enough pressure to push the aluminum down as close to the chassis floor as possible. But yes, the adhesive makes up the 1/32 or so to maintain plane.
What a treat to get a video on Wednesday! Love seeing all the builds and a walk down memory lane. I saw one of the comments mentioned something about wanting to envision a Humble Road van in 5 or 10 years. I immediately thought of you saying “ you’ll see, you’ll all see” lol.
I am too tall too buildup the floor in my conversion and too poor to buy a taller van what are your thoughts on closed cell insulation and radiant heat under the floor. I know that messes with the thermal break.
Good Morning George, what a Pleasant surprise to wake up to this morning, thanks. Your attention to detail and thoughtfulness are unrivaled and you’re continually raising the bar. The last small start up I saw take this path was EarthRoamer 😎
George, at 2:40 or so, when you get done leveling the Aluminum joists in the way shown, do you place any weights on this set up until the glue dries or not? Thanks for the anticipated answer.
Different products for different applications. I mention them in my videos. I guess you'll have to go re-watch EVERY SINGLE VIDEO all the way through! 😇
@@HumbleRoad LOL. I meant for the Aluminum to metal floor adhesion. You had flashed a picture of a tube of chaulk but I happened upon 3M 07333 which I thought might be better and I wanted to get your opinion on it if you have one. Thanks George.
I'm planning my van .. it will have a super high roof (2,10 meters high internally) and it would allow me to create a double floor, having a cavity where all the plumbings, cables and heat tubes can reach every part of the van. Would this be a good approach in your opinion? Any suggestions from a planning point of view? Thank youuuu!! 😜
George , if God wants to offer the ultimate Vans in heaven to his good people 🧚🏻🧚♀️😇, he will ask you to build them for him . You are the one Absolute master and the only one of his kind 🥇👌😉💌 Thank you so much for all the efforts and all the learning that you offer in your marvellous videos . 👍🤓
@@HumbleRoad He will George, He surely will , because your plant ,workshop and tools are also One of a kind on Earth 🌍 my friend 👌👍😉 , and most important is the Genius brain 🧠 ,Dynamic hands and golden fingers behind all of this 🤓
How to you adjust the height where it needs adjusting? I've heard tell that the promaster floor isn't flat, but has something of a dip. Was it concave? Convex? I don't remember, but I remember wondering how to solve that. I was thinking of using a laser pointer mounted outside the van, which is basically the same principle, and wood pieces shaved down to create a flat foundation
@@JGnLAU8OAWF6 that’s what I did in my build just jacked it to level and used a rotary laser the The benefit of this approach is you can pull and level anywhere in the van as long as it’s still on blocks. I didn’t need to jack the wheels off the ground just leveled it and used jack stands for stability.
Has anyone ever requests 2 inches of polyiso for the floor of their van? I live in a cold climate and want to use the van for winter camping. Is 2 inches overkill?
@@897aa33 I can see how that would work - good tip, thanks ✅ I’m not sure how much material is needed for a thermal break to be sufficient but I’m definitely up for more information on this 👍
I thought you were putting plumbing in the floor, but you're referring to making sure it's level!!! 😏 Duly noted, sir... Keep teaching please, I'm taking notes and learning!! 🙏🏽
🌤🌞😎Simply Brilliant Guys❗ If I had some head room in my md-height van - I would certainly employ your method.🚛🚛🚚 (makes me wanna go out & buy a tall as f A$$ van just to do dat-:)
@@HumbleRoad Ya if I buy a boat like that you will likely pussuade me to put a sail ( i mean deck) on the roof & install a 3 foot rail around it for safety reasons... ha
You and your son Alex are tag-teaming the rest of us with so many engineering details.
That is 'plumb' overwhelming at times!
More "Mauro Genius". Much appreciated. A healthy distraction from these horrible times.
Oh, George, I love you and your builds. Quality, foresightful planning and attention to detail are qualities of all your builds. I enjoy you videos so much.
you are simply the best and you are very generous of your techniques. more power to you and your crew!
Simple measurements and calculations are all that is necessary to estimate the age of a cherry tree. They are all that’s necessary for you guys to build the perfect foundation with no squeaking and strong joists to hold whatever evenly. Love the precision.
yay love the thermal bridge solution :)
I'm loving your shorts, George 😉
When you want precision, it’s there for the taking.🤘🏻
You guys sure are making fast progress on those Transits! Love it!
Hey George
Really Enjoy Your Van Build Videos
Thanks !!
what a brilliant idea
Ha! I thought this was a different kind of plumbing! My first thought was "George is putting plumbing in the floor? OK." Then, as we reached the end of the video, I wondered when you were going to get to the plumbing! Then, the epiphany!
Ingenious! I like the way you guys work!
Another great video, going to have to see if I can figure out where my cabinets will be sitting before placing my floor.
LOL! When I read the title of this update, I thought y'all might be putting water heated floors or some other "plumbing" in the floor, LOL!
Beautiful van. Great idea for how to build the floor.
Actually not a good idea putting aluminium joist against the metal floor. It's the same as having no insulation.
@@897aa33 1/2” plywood (and looks like George jumped to 3/4” for the Transits) plus a cork backed 1/4” finish floor on top of that. If the floor still feels cold after all that, wear socks or drop a small throw rug down. ☺️
@@turnpike420 it's not about cold rather condensation. Metal and glass is the most condensation dense materials.
@@897aa33 full airflow under the entire floor, the gaps between the ribs have nothing in them… maybe some Noico or something but otherwise airflow is open in his design.
@@turnpike420 do you mean dry heat airflow? Otherwise is even worse idea to have flow of cold oxygen creates even more condensation. There is special spray paint that creates small layer of insulation on metal. If you could spray aluminium batten before hand that would work.
HA….the proverbial apple didn’t fall far from the tree. Two geniuses in one shop - no wonder you guys are so successful!
That George… always sittin’ around, thinkin’ about stuff…
You should get up and actually do something for once! 🤣❤️
Brilliant!
Great video! Thank you!
I was watching Leon the Lobster (Brady channel) when I got your notification. If it wasn't so cool I'd of been FIRST!! lol Always gorgeous thoughtful work George.
last time i was this early.... it was one of my videos!
amazing
It’s quite ironic how often recreation and problem do cross paths in the world of van dwelling!
The level of quality and attention to detail is simply amazing. I love watching you make stuff.
Why aren't there more of you & Alex?! Yall builds are so clean and unique, I dang near wish yall had clones to build more LoL
Yeah George, run home right now, find your wife and announce "honey, ive decided that were gonna have another kid". Congratulations up front George!
Five children was and is wonderful! And now the only babies are grandchildren. I'm good. I'm good with that!
Genius!
George, Your floor system keeps evolving and improving. Noticed Alex did not grind to bare metal before adding the dollop of adhesive but instead added a strip of material in two locations between the floor and 1” aluminum. Can you share what that material is, would save a lot of time compared to grinding away paint? - Your Humble Student.
Correct, no more grinding. Probably not necessary, since it's all down pressure on the floor, no shear. In certain areas on the floor, there is no high spot for the aluminum joist to make contact. So we glue in a MDF spacer. It is important to know not to use these spacers in a load bearing area. In a load bearing area, a more structural spacer is required.
@@HumbleRoad I see that you are using Loctite Adhesive Sealant for the aluminum tube but cannot see what the type is from the video. Can you share what type it is and if you still using that?
Nice. That's the way we do pavements.
What brand of adhesive are you using to glue the aluminum tubing?
Hey George ! I always like watching your videos. I am a glazier by trade, and we use laser levels for everything. When I plan on converting my current work van, (a sprinter 144 high roof 4x4) into a RV, I plan on parking the van in the shop, and using jack stands to raise the van. I'll shim the stands with metal shims, until the van floor is level in both directions. For the duration of the build I should be able to use my plumb and line lasers inside for measuring and layout. What do you think? Am I too optimistic that this would work?
IMHO, it will not work. This isn't a house you're building. Find the centerline on the floor and use it. Spend your time making a large square. You'll thank me later. 🤓 Good luck! 👍
What about all the thermal bridging these metal on aluminium connections create?
The dollop of marine adhesive is thick and offers some thermal break. And the 3/4" plywood subfloor is a good insulator. In my opinion, the benefits of using aluminum outweigh the risks
@Humble Road Great floor design, on your 1x1 bar Aluminum stock, do you have good luck with a cheaper squared walled tube, example: T52 1.000 X 1.000 X 0.065 ALUMINUM 6063 SQUARE TUBE ?
My philosophy is that I can't afford cheap. My build reputation is one of quality. No worries.
I notice you are leveling it off the string but it appears you are using the adhesive thickness to adjust the strut height. Are you putting something under the aluminum struts or relying on the adhesive to harden and not move?
Ideally exert enough pressure to push the aluminum down as close to the chassis floor as possible. But yes, the adhesive makes up the 1/32 or so to maintain plane.
Thank you. What type of closed cell foam are you using now? And what type of plywood?
What a treat to get a video on Wednesday! Love seeing all the builds and a walk down memory lane. I saw one of the comments mentioned something about wanting to envision a Humble Road van in 5 or 10 years. I immediately thought of you saying “ you’ll see, you’ll all see” lol.
Thanks for the idea!
👍👍👍👍👍
I am too tall too buildup the floor in my conversion and too poor to buy a taller van what are your thoughts on closed cell insulation and radiant heat under the floor. I know that messes with the thermal break.
Radiant heat under the floor is a real treat on those cold nights. It is supplemental only. You still need cabin heat (Webasto or Espar)
The Problem with this system is that your not glueing properly. You will have surfaces with more or less bonding surface or am I wrong?
The variance is minuscule.
How thick are the aluminum tubes? I see a wide variety out there...
The aluminum tubes are one inch by one inch with a wall thickness of 1/8" with sharp corners. (rounded corners are also available)
Good Morning George, what a Pleasant surprise to wake up to this morning, thanks. Your attention to detail and thoughtfulness are unrivaled and you’re continually raising the bar. The last small start up I saw take this path was EarthRoamer 😎
George, at 2:40 or so, when you get done leveling the Aluminum joists in the way shown, do you place any weights on this set up until the glue dries or not? Thanks for the anticipated answer.
No weights the joists have to set where they lay in order to maintain plumb.
@@HumbleRoad Thanks, and what is your current favorite glue?
Different products for different applications. I mention them in my videos. I guess you'll have to go re-watch EVERY SINGLE VIDEO all the way through! 😇
@@HumbleRoad LOL. I meant for the Aluminum to metal floor adhesion. You had flashed a picture of a tube of chaulk but I happened upon 3M 07333 which I thought might be better and I wanted to get your opinion on it if you have one. Thanks George.
I'm planning my van .. it will have a super high roof (2,10 meters high internally) and it would allow me to create a double floor, having a cavity where all the plumbings, cables and heat tubes can reach every part of the van.
Would this be a good approach in your opinion?
Any suggestions from a planning point of view?
Thank youuuu!! 😜
Sounds good. Bring it in! 😇
210 meters? That is a seriously tall van! That should get you to the top of the beanstalk for sure!
George , if God wants to offer the ultimate Vans in heaven to his good people 🧚🏻🧚♀️😇, he will ask you to build them for him . You are the one Absolute master and the only one of his kind 🥇👌😉💌
Thank you so much for all the efforts and all the learning that you offer in your marvellous videos . 👍🤓
That’s fine with me as long as God will let me build them down here…
@@HumbleRoad
He will George, He surely will , because your plant ,workshop and tools are also One of a kind on Earth 🌍 my friend 👌👍😉 , and most important is the Genius brain 🧠 ,Dynamic hands and golden fingers behind all of this 🤓
What is the caulking used here?
I love clear RTV silicone.
It remains stable and sticks well.
PL Marine
@@HumbleRoad - Thanks. I'll look it up. Must have excellent properties.
Interesting….my floor is tapered down on the sides for some annoying reason.
Precisely why this exercise is important!
Hey George new idea for thermal break in your aluminum floor: Fill your aluminum tubes with spray foam before installation. What do you think?
How to you adjust the height where it needs adjusting? I've heard tell that the promaster floor isn't flat, but has something of a dip. Was it concave? Convex? I don't remember, but I remember wondering how to solve that. I was thinking of using a laser pointer mounted outside the van, which is basically the same principle, and wood pieces shaved down to create a flat foundation
Laser only works if the van is dead level. And the moment you step inside you’ve thrown off the level. That’s why we measured in the 4 corners.
@@HumbleRoad foiled again by physics
Yep, those physics do get in the way sometimes...
@@HumbleRoad you can get it level by lifting it from it's wheels to some supports with precise length
@@JGnLAU8OAWF6 that’s what I did in my build just jacked it to level and used a rotary laser the The benefit of this approach is you can pull and level anywhere in the van as long as it’s still on blocks. I didn’t need to jack the wheels off the ground just leveled it and used jack stands for stability.
Beautiful build! I would love to have a van you built. My dream home! Thanks for continuing to share with us! Jane in SC
I hope you are still building and producing such wonderful content when I retire and build out my van.
Has anyone ever requests 2 inches of polyiso for the floor of their van? I live in a cold climate and want to use the van for winter camping. Is 2 inches overkill?
Layers of varied substrate is more effective, IMO. As long as you have the ceiling height, go for it!
Can anyone envision what a Humble Road's vans will look like in 5 years? What about 10 years?
You'll see! You'll ALL see! 🤓
@@HumbleRoad 😍❗️
So aluminium joist touches the metal floor ? What's the point of insulation ?
Worth watching again…. I’m sure there were ply strips under the battens glued to the floor first 👍
Plus the glue itself provides a thermal break (unless you compress the glue to nothing?)
@@T8RTU small ply strip one each end and unfortunately bit of glue can't provide thermal break.
@@T8RTU aluminium joist touching metal floor is not good foundation. But solid plastic battens might work far better.
@@897aa33 I can see how that would work - good tip, thanks ✅ I’m not sure how much material is needed for a thermal break to be sufficient but I’m definitely up for more information on this 👍
Now that’s ingenious. I feel there’s a story there. A challenge that was caused before by not doing this. You and your team never cease to amaze.
Alex is certainly a Chip off the old block. 🙂
😜
maybe recheck the definition of plumbing
A play on words, Daan.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plumb
Such a simple concept, but so profound! Can you please come down to Australia and build my camper van for me! Like a paid holiday :)
Wooow .. i like. This content needs P r o m o S M!
How many of you guys expected to see water lines and glycol? I did.
Only if asked for 😊
I thought you were putting plumbing in the floor, but you're referring to making sure it's level!!! 😏 Duly noted, sir... Keep teaching please, I'm taking notes and learning!! 🙏🏽
🌤🌞😎Simply Brilliant Guys❗
If I had some head room in my md-height van - I would certainly employ your method.🚛🚛🚚 (makes me wanna go out & buy a tall as f A$$ van just to do dat-:)
Go for it! 😊
@@HumbleRoad Ya if I buy a boat like that you will likely pussuade me to put a sail ( i mean deck) on the roof & install a 3 foot rail around it for safety reasons... ha
Brilliant !!