Flow through suppressors are good, actually

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  • @lordhuck2689
    @lordhuck2689 Месяц назад +567

    "It keeps grime off my face and hands" "It prevents cancer" "I love this thing" "It prevents gas to the face so I don't gag and cough while shooting" "Would I buy one? No, cost cuts into beer money."

    • @cmtptr
      @cmtptr Месяц назад +66

      This is how free market economics work. He thinks it's great, but not great enough to be worth what they're asking for it. You're not going to convince a supplier to bring the price down by buying.

    • @hendo337
      @hendo337 Месяц назад

      Apparently cancer and money is worth burning to look cool instead of running a long barrel.

    • @willflint8443
      @willflint8443 Месяц назад +4

      ​@@cmtptr not gonna watch a 10 min video on short cans, but the resonator k has been pretty good so far. don't think it's meant as a flow-through, but it certainly functions that way

    • @lordhuck2689
      @lordhuck2689 Месяц назад +35

      @@cmtptr Dunno man. I’ve read medical bills can be expensive. The cost difference between a polonium and a Flow can easily been less than one doctor visit. I like Hop, but if he believes the claims about health then the Flow should be an easy recommendation. Seems like a marshmallow problem.

    • @jager6863
      @jager6863 Месяц назад +3

      They need a space suit to protect their health and safety.

  • @BrassFacts
    @BrassFacts Месяц назад +873

    "Deliberately mistreating your tools is not cool"
    Shows b roll of my rifle.
    bro
    EDIT: just saw the outro clip
    bro.

    • @mitchchaos8836
      @mitchchaos8836 Месяц назад +13

      Bro

    • @Not_Sure_81
      @Not_Sure_81 Месяц назад +37

      Every gun you own has been, without fail, the dirtiest I've ever seen from any guntuber though.

    • @OffensivelyGinger
      @OffensivelyGinger Месяц назад +32

      Mommy and Daddy are fighting...Two Christmases, yeah!

    • @TheChocolateRedneck
      @TheChocolateRedneck Месяц назад

      ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

    • @BearArmsChannel
      @BearArmsChannel Месяц назад +2

      Meanwhile Brock saying Meh, still loud still hot

  • @josedorsaith5261
    @josedorsaith5261 Месяц назад +108

    Traditional Scottish winter survival clothing:
    1) Wool
    2) Another layer of wool
    3) another layer of wool with wax treatment
    Optional base layer: freezing loch water. Add wool while still soaking wet

    • @Clambelly
      @Clambelly Месяц назад +2

      Grab a sheep, and grab another if it gets really cold ! 🤣😂

    • @lucusloc
      @lucusloc Месяц назад +1

      @@Clambelly Pro tip; the sheep work for if you are cold *or* lonely.

  • @mmclaurin8035
    @mmclaurin8035 Месяц назад +1178

    Beards aren't for everyone.

    • @blackbird2825
      @blackbird2825 Месяц назад

      Jihad, my nigga. Jihad.

    • @DjShipleyGaming
      @DjShipleyGaming Месяц назад +4

      Because he doesn't commit. She shaves too early

    • @__-pl3jg
      @__-pl3jg Месяц назад +62

      Agreed. He needs to try microneedling. It works 100%, I can prove it.

    • @hillspring1826
      @hillspring1826 Месяц назад

      Hey, leave the pube gluers alone.

    • @jameswick8358
      @jameswick8358 Месяц назад +59

      Yeah, for women like Lucas botkin😂 the rest of us have man hair😂

  • @noahnewcomer5180
    @noahnewcomer5180 Месяц назад +214

    “The gas *BOIOIOINGS* all over the place” this is now a scientific term and I will be using it from now on 😂

    • @rushthezeppelin
      @rushthezeppelin Месяц назад +4

      Came to the comments section for this exact comment lol.

    • @bravo_cj
      @bravo_cj Месяц назад +1

      That had me rolf fr🤣🤣🤣

    • @notschramm3461
      @notschramm3461 Месяц назад +1

      He kinda looks like Beavis, which makes it that much better

  • @NJdeplorable
    @NJdeplorable Месяц назад +104

    “Cloud of cancer like a G for God and country, thanks Slade” best line ever

    • @Syd-Arthur333
      @Syd-Arthur333 Месяц назад +2

      I own 2 sci six’s one on a mid gas 11.5 and one on a spear lt 11.5 both are way less gassy than an RC-2 I also own a 14.5 with a flow 556k they are only an inch or two apart … (that’s what she said)

    • @Briathos1
      @Briathos1 Месяц назад

      @@Syd-Arthur333I appreciate you giving your input. I am planning to throw a Velos on my 11.5 URGI. As a lefty, I need all the help I can get.

  • @StorminNormanTheMormon
    @StorminNormanTheMormon Месяц назад +257

    I see you got BUIS after all, Thunder Ranch peer pressure must've got to you

    • @adamgriffin
      @adamgriffin Месяц назад

      A bunch of outdated stubborn old Fudds those guys.

    • @flavortown3781
      @flavortown3781 Месяц назад +1

      probably weird thing i learned in the army, I really like and am consistent shooting using the frontsight to push the rifle forward into my sling presently running a UTG pro fixed front sight behind a GALv3SF LAM that i have modified a bit and potted

    • @JackTagar
      @JackTagar Месяц назад +5

      For the record, if anyone also has a DIR-V, the Spikes Tactical folding front sight design fits neatly between the emitters without blocking anything if you want BUIS

    • @jeshowls
      @jeshowls Месяц назад +2

      Its weird this comment has so many upvotes considering the first 30 seconds of this previous video: ruclips.net/video/TVohNigLEmY/видео.html

    • @chriscollins5762
      @chriscollins5762 Месяц назад +2

      I have the DIR V and love it.​@@JackTagar

  • @rickh9396
    @rickh9396 Месяц назад +95

    Hop finally got to use the word "Dickensian" in context and, in so doing, classed up the place. Well done.

  • @zenoking5958
    @zenoking5958 Месяц назад +190

    Ah yes the Venturi effect, more commonly known as bioioioioing

    • @AndyCigars
      @AndyCigars Месяц назад

      How did you add the link to the Venturi Effect like this? …in blue and just two words?

  • @Fightosaurus
    @Fightosaurus Месяц назад +146

    Dang ol flow through not pushing that bolt back at ten thousand miles per hour man I tell ya whut

  • @ToastbackWhale
    @ToastbackWhale Месяц назад +146

    8:00 re: ground reflections: you’re not wrong in that you’re almost always in something other than the free field (how PEWScience testing is done), but it DOES take ground reflections into account. If you look at the waveforms for high flow rate designs (namely the HUXWRX stuff) you can actually see the ground reflections hit the sensors. Jay even labels them. EDIT::: I just double checked and it looks like these waveforms might only be visible in the member versions of the reviews. Regardless, Jay does write that "testing and analysis is performed in the true free field away from any reflecting surfaces other than the ground, which is 1.6 m below the weapon system muzzle."
    In more recent reviews (I’m thinking of the FLOW556Ti review) Jay has made it abundantly clear that if you’re using a HUXWRX can indoors or near hard surfaces you’re going to have a pretty bad time.
    Your assumptions about a tuned host vs the PEWScience test host is also true, as shown with the one PEW analysis using a tuned upper (at the request of the Manufacturer, Maxim)

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Месяц назад +48

      Very good info

    • @snek9353
      @snek9353 Месяц назад +4

      I really dislike Pewscience for this aspect of how they do much of their testing. They market it as testing the can but they aren't. They're testing the can and host combo, this does not accurately test the can for anything except that specific host making their rankings/testing completely pointless.
      The internet treats their testing and ranking as if it's gospel. But their testing is completely useless for any other host, a bolt gun, or anyone who tunes for the can.

    • @UndertheTreesPNW
      @UndertheTreesPNW Месяц назад +38

      ​@@snek9353 pewscience does say the MK18 is the worst case scenario and all the cans are tested on the same hosts. So it's a very fair comparison

    • @UndertheTreesPNW
      @UndertheTreesPNW Месяц назад +3

      So I know on my MK18 or 11.5 URGI with a Vltor A5H4 the at ear suppression is in fact better than the pewscience MK18 H2 combo

    • @Isometrix116
      @Isometrix116 Месяц назад +20

      @@snek9353 Wait, you dislike Pewscience for being scientific? You can't really practically test the can without a host. So, you do your best to make a generalized host and keep that host consistent across cans to see how they compare.
      There's not really another way to do it other than meticulously tuning for each can, but that has its own set of flaws. It's valuable data for certain standouts, but not good for the general experimentation.

  • @IndependentArmz
    @IndependentArmz Месяц назад +92

    It's amazing how you make your sponsor as interesting as what your video is about. That's a gift. You definitely put thought into it, and it shows.

  • @thebernice6062
    @thebernice6062 Месяц назад +54

    Slightly off topic, but when Hop said "shooting around other people without making them hate you" I had a flashback montage of every time I've been at the range and the socially inept RSOs who thought it would be funny to put the guys with an AR with some ostentatious muzzle brake on the lane next to me, while I test and re-zero an AR with a suppressor. One guy even had a Q Cherry Bomb without a suppressor, which was deafening through my Sordin ears and a pair of foamies underneath, and it threw unburnt propellent all over me from whatever garbage ammo they were burning through. That range visit disproved the old saying that "a bad day on the range is better than a day spent anywhere else." Thanks for that, Weber County Shooting Complex.
    Please, buy a suppressor if you have to shoot inside a lot. If you don't have it yet, please take the brake off and put the A2 back on. None us us want to be shooting the AR inside, but you don't have to make it worse with the most unnecessary accessory for a 5.56 AR, the muzzle brake.

    • @jong2359
      @jong2359 Месяц назад +3

      But that sweet VP-09 Muzzle Brake adds 4% accuracy and -6% recoil! /s

    • @John_439
      @John_439 Месяц назад

      If you don't like it don't go to indoor ranges. That's your mistake, I refuse to use indoor ranges. In fact I almost never use an outdoor range and just use public land.

    • @SgtTechCom
      @SgtTechCom 26 дней назад +1

      You're soft.

    • @fragger56
      @fragger56 23 дня назад +1

      This is why you run some kind of QD mount with a brake, so you can take the can off and return the favor extra hard with a magdump as they are trying to pack up just to make a point before you leave.
      Also this is why you don't go to indoor ranges whenever other options are available.

    • @SgtTechCom
      @SgtTechCom 23 дня назад

      @@jong2359 Yeah but +2% encumberance

  • @macfiliault1976
    @macfiliault1976 Месяц назад +61

    Bend OR callout is appreciated we’re pretty much one big roundabout now

    • @willflint8443
      @willflint8443 Месяц назад +7

      bend is basically a circlejerk in town form

    • @TheMsdos25
      @TheMsdos25 Месяц назад +3

      They're even spreading into Washington now.

    • @BrassFacts
      @BrassFacts Месяц назад +4

      I about lost my mind when we spent a week there.
      fine every once in awhile. but man, you guys have them in the middle of a low traffic residential area.

    • @dasboot9471
      @dasboot9471 Месяц назад +1

      @@BrassFactsit would make sense in those spots, if everybody know how to drive but, alas, nobody does

    • @geoffreywarburton5487
      @geoffreywarburton5487 Месяц назад

      @@BrassFacts dude it's the dumbest having them all over orchard district residential streets.

  • @JMM745
    @JMM745 Месяц назад +13

    Always worth watching, even if I am uninterested in the subject matter. Hop makes the most satisfying, well scripted and edited videos. Never wastes my time. Bravo!! Thank you, sir!

  • @jasonparent7967
    @jasonparent7967 Месяц назад +32

    Hop can go down in history as the first guntuber to use BOINNNG in a video.

  • @TruthfullyBogus
    @TruthfullyBogus Месяц назад +25

    Managed to get a fluxwurx flow through suppressor with a 300 off discount a while ago- my first and only suppressor, and hands down the best money I've spent, and easiest to clean. Literally, according to their documentation, dip it in clp, forget it, come back after maybe an hour or so, plug it back onto the weapon and shoot- it'll all come out.

    • @demonicwolf69
      @demonicwolf69 Месяц назад

      now they have a cleaning solution shit works pretty good, just id advise not too drink it unless you wanna take a real quick dirt nap.. 24 to 36 hours and shes like new... sorta insert lame ass wife joke or something i dunno...

  • @AndyCigars
    @AndyCigars Месяц назад +60

    I am enjoying my B&T SRBS556 thus far…it was under $900 with a free tax stamp

    • @armorers_wrench
      @armorers_wrench Месяц назад +7

      Yeah this is what I was gonna say but I don't own it, just seems worth the risk for free tax stamp.

    • @MrKronikDeception
      @MrKronikDeception Месяц назад +7

      I've got the 762 version and I've been happy with it thus far.

    • @mototarded388
      @mototarded388 Месяц назад +3

      ​@MrKronikDeception same here. My 10.5 300blk cycles subs fine with it too.

    • @almostontimehero5415
      @almostontimehero5415 Месяц назад +1

      After the holidays, there's a 556mini-k or Polinium K in my future. The Polo K performs better, but the 556 mini-k looks baller.

    • @marcusborderlands6177
      @marcusborderlands6177 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@almostontimehero5415also consider Ecco, their 5x5 is pretty great. Right between a polo k and standard polo in performance, and made by a great guy.

  • @paulwuzhere
    @paulwuzhere Месяц назад +34

    If the earlier cans were good and the company wasn't mismanaged, HUXWRX "The Safety Company" would still be called OSS. I am glad the technology is improving, newer flow through cans are much better than just a few years ago. The recent models from B&T are pretty solid.

    • @LarryWasupsky
      @LarryWasupsky Месяц назад +4

      And they’re coming in slightly cheaper.

    • @sasquatchinhd6181
      @sasquatchinhd6181 Месяц назад +6

      @@LarryWasupsky As the manufacturing becomes better they'll get even cheaper. We just need to show a market for them first.

    • @Zardozintheireyes
      @Zardozintheireyes Месяц назад

      @@sasquatchinhd6181 They've already noticeably gone down in price over the last year.

  • @MoraleHazard
    @MoraleHazard Месяц назад +19

    I have the Huxwrx 762 ti and like it a lot. As a southpaw I really don't want to be gassed in my eyes every time I pull the trigger.

    • @adrielcartwright9354
      @adrielcartwright9354 Месяц назад +2

      I work at a gun shop and we sell a decent amount of the Huxwrx Flow. All of the customers that have bought them love them.

  • @Matt-xc6sp
    @Matt-xc6sp Месяц назад +72

    I just assumed the muzzle device wasn’t going to be available. I come here to contemplate the Platonic Ideal of a rifle, not actually build one.

    • @shred1894
      @shred1894 27 дней назад

      There's no reason to read any early Greek philosophers like Plato because they have all been proven wrong.

  • @scubajho
    @scubajho 26 дней назад +1

    You might look into the HUXWRX Ventum line. I picked one up, as it was a couple hundred bucks cheaper than the Flow, but is still flow-through, so it's not so gassy on ARs. Instead of monolithic titanium construction, the Ventums are steel outer tubes (the serialized part) with 3D printed titanium cores. Take the endcap off, and you can remove the core for cleaning, and in the event of a baffle strike, the core can just be replaced. It's also HUB compatible, so you can throw Rearden mounts or any other mounting system of your choice on it. They are a little heavier and not quite as low-backpressure as the Flow line, but I've been quite happy with mine thus far. I see the Ventums on sale for under $700 pretty regularly.

  • @chipsterb4946
    @chipsterb4946 Месяц назад +13

    I recently bought a Huxwrx 556 Flow. I was pleasantly surprised by the sound reduction. From everything I’d read/watched, I expected it to be lame but I can hear bullets hitting the berm at 100 yards. Both an older Windham Weaponry AR and another 16” mid-length gas system rifle run fine without *any* tuning. Standard springs and buffers in both.
    It was expensive. However, Huxwrx includes a flash hider and a wrench in the box. I like that complete package, and you should take that $150 +/- into account when comparing it to other suppressors. Especially if you have to buy a mount and a muzzle device for the alternative.
    The can does get stuck when hot, especially if it’s cold outside. But that’s true with Plan B too.

    • @hikeskool
      @hikeskool Месяц назад +4

      Opinion based on actual use is inconsistent with Read It Consensus; please delete👌

    • @chipsterb4946
      @chipsterb4946 Месяц назад +1

      @ thanks - you made me laugh

    • @Wammywammsters2024
      @Wammywammsters2024 Месяц назад

      Just curious why you chose the 556k vs the 762 Ti? Putting aside the slightly higher price and length, would the 762 Ti be more quiet on a 14.5 to 16” gun?

    • @hikeskool
      @hikeskool Месяц назад +2

      @@Wammywammsters2024 without speaking for dude to get the best "performance" you want to go with a silencer that's the same size as what you're shooting. Not to say a 30 cal can won't "work" but all things being equal it won't work as well as a 5.56 can.
      Unless I'm missing something which I usually am👌

    • @Wammywammsters2024
      @Wammywammsters2024 Месяц назад +1

      @@hikeskool that makes sense! Thanks man

  • @Fauxknight
    @Fauxknight Месяц назад +8

    I have a lot of cans, the Flow556 is absolutely fantastic. It very much surprised me with how well it works being how low it's back pressure is. I have low back pressure cans that suppress less with more back pressure.

    • @UndertheTreesPNW
      @UndertheTreesPNW Месяц назад +1

      Same. Want to get really blown away then try the CAT WB. It's quieter and no blowback, I'm lefty so it's super nice

  • @spartan117gw
    @spartan117gw Месяц назад +10

    LOVE my flow 556k

  • @chrisb8046
    @chrisb8046 9 дней назад +1

    The manufacturer driven, customer accepted, race to squeeze every last fraction of a dB out of a suppressor is what hampered the proliferation of flow-through and compact cans. Once people realize there was a lot to gain by sacrificing a dB or two, it really opened up a wide range of options and possibilities.

  • @dvdadaudits7500
    @dvdadaudits7500 Месяц назад +4

    I have the huxworks 7.62 TI flow through suppressor. I use it on my SCAR and my 6.5 PRC hunting rifle. I have been pleased with its performance on both guns

  • @EmilFihlman
    @EmilFihlman Месяц назад +44

    It's kind of interesting watching this video since flow through suppressors are like the only thing people buy in Finland for semiautomatic rifles, and they are like 500-600€ (in Finland, an expensive as fuck country, and no separate suppressor tax), we even have two different domestic flow through manufacturers, Ase Utra and Silent Steel with multiple different versions, which everyone buys and chooses between.

    • @PolenarTactical
      @PolenarTactical Месяц назад +24

      US is way behind with suppressors because of the NFA
      Everyone that actually shoots with his rifle will sooner or later move to some kind of flow-through or low backpressure design

    • @EmilFihlman
      @EmilFihlman Месяц назад +7

      @@PolenarTactical it's still so strange to me as there's so much more market volume, existing and upcoming manufacturing and technical workforce availability in Murica, not to mention the gun and wider investment culture and opportunities, and existing manufacturing anyway requires a SOT license in Murica so, even with the ridiculous NFA it's strange to me, and like Finland has NFA built in to even just getting guns.
      As far as I understand it requires even more licensing to do this kind of manufacturing in Finland, even if it's shall issue if you don't have any real things against you.
      Of course it's possible that we leapfrogged this as we have very good education and skilled labour (basis of our entire economy) and that's very nice for us, but I'm still in awe of it.

    • @SnapD24
      @SnapD24 Месяц назад

      Yea, but several countries in Europe also require the use of suppressors and some of them aren't made to last as long.

    • @PolenarTactical
      @PolenarTactical Месяц назад +11

      @@EmilFihlman depends of the laws, in Slovenia we have legalized suppressors for only a couple of years now but people are quickly catching on. That's because you dont need a license and you can buy cheap suppressors (or make your own), do some shooting and then decide to spend more money on a product that suits you the best.
      We still see this today where less educated shooters will always go for the most quite conventional cans and those that actually shoot with their rifles will soon come back and buy a more expensive flow-through can. Our goal is to educate people on the harm of the increased backpressure for the rifle and for them, but some just need to get those spicy gasses into their face and eyes to understand.
      As you probably know, a lot of people still dont realize that if you are shooting with super-sonic ammo, you dont really need the quietest suppressors there is because ear protection is still required and a decibel or two doesnt make much difference.
      So more experienced users are now looking for low backpressure cans, primarily the ones that are short and light but still suppress enough to be comfortably used indoors

    • @ImNoBSING
      @ImNoBSING Месяц назад

      I own ase utra Dual S and SL5.
      I shoot the SL5 rather but I do shoot HK and after 2 years I tuned gas on it.
      The Dual gets dirty, clogs up and does not silence as well. It is also heavier and longer. But when clean it really is smooth to shoot.

  • @jinenjuce
    @jinenjuce Месяц назад +17

    2:00 I have not purchased thermals, and I am still denied the sweet release from my mortal coil that Mr. Thumb has promised me

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Месяц назад +13

      It'll find you some day

    • @SgtTechCom
      @SgtTechCom 26 дней назад +1

      @@Hoplopfheil It finds everyone some day.

  • @joshr5014
    @joshr5014 Месяц назад +82

    The Duality of Can

    • @EarlHildebrandt
      @EarlHildebrandt Месяц назад +1

      Hop is the poor man's Matthew Modine- which is still great, don't misunderstand me.

    • @lucasblanchard47
      @lucasblanchard47 Месяц назад

      Fuck that’s a good title.

    • @MIbad187
      @MIbad187 Месяц назад

      I wanted to like the comment but I couldn't ruin the 69

    • @RikkiTikkiTavi290
      @RikkiTikkiTavi290 Месяц назад +1

      👏

  • @Trijiconfucious
    @Trijiconfucious Месяц назад +5

    I highly recommend the B&T SRBS flow through. I run the SRBS 5.56 on my 11” Bren 2 and it’s perfect. The Bren was basically unshootable after 1 magazine with my YHM Turbo, even with the HB gas regulator.

  • @madeleineollerton5993
    @madeleineollerton5993 Месяц назад +2

    this was a really great video! loved the editing and the cardboard can visual was cute and useful. it was tight like your TFB vids are. great work!

  • @bobbywright6354
    @bobbywright6354 Месяц назад +12

    B&t makes good reduced back pressure cans for a good price and has surefire muzzle device adapters

    • @eriklambert3809
      @eriklambert3809 Месяц назад +6

      B&T are bypassed because their products are usually very expensive, but their cans are decently priced

    • @Reddirt_panda
      @Reddirt_panda Месяц назад

      I've been looking into b&t. I love my sandman s, but I'm also need another can for my 308

    • @flopus7
      @flopus7 Месяц назад +1

      So good until you said sf muzzle devices

    • @bobbywright6354
      @bobbywright6354 Месяц назад +2

      B&T have actually been making suppressors for a long long time and they can offer their cans at a good price because they’ve already recouped all their r&d money or so the owner says lol

  • @jeffpraterJSF
    @jeffpraterJSF Месяц назад +14

    That 5% on venture surplus really came in clutch on some p&s rail covers. I put together a discounted purchase only m16a4 build. Cheapest it could possibly be without just stealing shit

    • @ongjunhong
      @ongjunhong Месяц назад

      oooh do tell

    • @jeffpraterJSF
      @jeffpraterJSF Месяц назад

      @ I have a short on my channel you can take a peek at. I mean discounted only like I got the stripped lower for $30, upper for $200, had a spare bcg and trigger and charging handle, got the a2 stock kit and lpk on a Black Friday deal, got the Midwest handrail and vert grip on 4th of July sale

  • @bozscaggzz7475
    @bozscaggzz7475 Месяц назад +10

    You can get a 3d printed flow through inconel suppressor from B&T with a SF QD for 737 right now.

    • @flopus7
      @flopus7 Месяц назад

      OCL also has one

    • @Yapperinos
      @Yapperinos Месяц назад

      What's it called?

    • @bozscaggzz7475
      @bozscaggzz7475 Месяц назад

      @Yapperinos printx srbs

    • @bozscaggzz7475
      @bozscaggzz7475 Месяц назад +1

      @@Yapperinos print x srbs

    • @tylerhall6455
      @tylerhall6455 Месяц назад +1

      Well unless your local to that shop, factor in a nfa transfer fee to your local shop for over a hundred dollars, then the 200 dollar tax stamp. Silencer shop has their collab b&t srbs for 950 free tax stamp and no transfer fee from your local SS partnered shop.

  • @SgtTechCom
    @SgtTechCom 26 дней назад +1

    I hope you are sharing all the boys these videos must surely be getting you with Luke.

  • @genebandy
    @genebandy Месяц назад +5

    I've got two of those Cobalt kinetics brakes and they are loud but shoot laser flat and the machining is some of the best I've ever seen

    • @MichaelKemner-wj9nc
      @MichaelKemner-wj9nc Месяц назад

      I've been looking for them but can't find them anywhere in stock. Did you get them awhile ago?

    • @genebandy
      @genebandy Месяц назад

      @MichaelKemner-wj9nc unfortunately yes about 6 months ago. I got one in black and one in raw. The raw one I just used two weeks ago on a new build. I had no idea they were discontinued until today.

    • @MichaelKemner-wj9nc
      @MichaelKemner-wj9nc Месяц назад

      @@genebandy I think that's when they sold out... Lucky you.. I've been looking on Tacswap for someone selling one second hand too.. The prices are probably gonna go through the roof

  • @chilescross9205
    @chilescross9205 Месяц назад

    I’ve been running a KGM R556a1 a ton in run and gun competitions and it is incredible. It’s my first can and I absolutely love the backflow setup. No gas in my face and it doesn’t throw spark like some other flow through options.

  • @Windowlick_
    @Windowlick_ Месяц назад +6

    FWIW, I also was worried about the tuning fork ping on my Flow K because I know that would drive me nuts, but it hasn't really shown up for me. From what I can tell online it seems like some people have it and some don't, so I chalk that up to the inherent variance in the DMLS process

    • @uzefulidiot
      @uzefulidiot Месяц назад

      Same. Quickly went from very minor when brand new, to now barely noticeable/non-existent. Seems somewhat random

  • @RedTiltRust
    @RedTiltRust Месяц назад

    I’ve watched your videos for 2 years and still haven’t seen something you actually love and enjoy you are the I hate everything of firearms but I love you 😂

  • @Odinforever2000
    @Odinforever2000 Месяц назад +8

    I talked with Cobalt Kinetics about their Hux Muzzle devices. They say they discontinued because they were not getting support from Huxworks. Which is sad..because now I have several 556 brakes and 2 30 cal brakes from them...and no hope of getting more..

    • @ontherangemike
      @ontherangemike Месяц назад +2

      Absolutely sucks. The Cobalt was amazing and I hate the Huxwrx Devices. Huxwrx just assumes you will never shoot unsuppressed. So when you do shoot without the suppressor you get a terrible experience.

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Месяц назад +2

      Sadge

    • @MichaelKemner-wj9nc
      @MichaelKemner-wj9nc Месяц назад

      I've been looking for a cobalt hux muzzle device for the past 6 months.😂

    • @Odinforever2000
      @Odinforever2000 Месяц назад

      @@MichaelKemner-wj9nc Well..now you know why you cant find them

  • @gansior4744
    @gansior4744 Месяц назад

    I have 14.5 mid and a Ase Utra 5.56 QD flow thru can. Beside the locking system which might fail in few years, can is extremely quiet. Gun was shooting extremely well without a can, but on undergassed side. Now it is perfect

  • @VYBEKAT
    @VYBEKAT Месяц назад +5

    Roundabouts are so much better.❤
    Never have to use my brakes.
    Every intersection becomes a high speed chicane 😅

  • @battlebornarms3687
    @battlebornarms3687 29 дней назад +1

    5:17 the gas boioioings 😂😂😂😂

  • @sieve5
    @sieve5 Месяц назад +4

    I spent a grand on TWO suppressors and I think they were worth it. Dead air Wolverine for my AK and a Surefire RC2 for my 11.5.
    That said I would have been just as happy with ONE YHM R9.

    • @paintballplayer700
      @paintballplayer700 26 дней назад

      Then you got a smoking deal, the RC2 is normally a grand on its own.

  • @ch4ndemic
    @ch4ndemic Месяц назад

    Sensible analysis and commentary as always, Hop, thank you

  • @bghiggy
    @bghiggy Месяц назад +4

    The same people who say flow through suppressors are too loud are perplexingly the same people who say it's pointless suppressing an AR because it's a supersonic bullet. Make it make sense

  • @COLT45Studios
    @COLT45Studios Месяц назад

    I have the last gen version the OSS HX-QD 556K and ive never had an issue with it getting stuck after 3000 rounds. I am so glad i bought that can. not having to tune the gun at all and no gas to the face made it a must have for a first suppressor you want to just work. The flow 5.56 is expensive though, even more than the older one i have.

  • @mountainview540
    @mountainview540 Месяц назад +5

    IF ITS NOT IN 45ACP I DONT WANT IT! 2 WHORLD WURS

  • @Joseph-f8j1f
    @Joseph-f8j1f 22 дня назад +2

    Another benefit of the Huxwrx can is the mount. Xeno is great if you have HUB cans, but the proprietary Huxwrx mount is literally perfect.

  • @BlueLoneWolf54
    @BlueLoneWolf54 Месяц назад +10

    We can't let Randy win, though.

  • @shawnpatten6515
    @shawnpatten6515 Месяц назад +1

    11:15 Agreed. They are weapons, not tools. They don’t need to be babied, but shouldn’t be deliberately trashed.

  • @nurse-dude
    @nurse-dude Месяц назад +4

    Let's all now freak out about how hop has a single bolt scope mount.... and begin.

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Месяц назад +1

      I don't care what anybody says, I love those Vudu mounts.

  • @Hoppes99
    @Hoppes99 Месяц назад +2

    Yes alot of the back pressure comes down the barrel but you can still do a ton with gas port size and adjustable gas blocks. If the"majority" of the back pressure came back through the barrel then you would be able to open up the gas port just enough to unlock the bolt. But that's not the case.

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Месяц назад

      I'm sure there's a very sciencey reason why a greater volume of gas is not able to drive the bolt due to the system not being under high pressure and trying to act on a much larger surface area. But I'm too art brained to know what it is.

  • @jager6863
    @jager6863 Месяц назад +4

    Thanks Hop for talking me out of a suppressor and the tax stamp. BTW - Making fun of "Special Boy" Brock when he is having a seizure, just isn't cool.

  • @charliebrownsd
    @charliebrownsd Месяц назад

    The Witt Machine cans do a great job of not gassing you out for the price. I have the Big Body 223 on a 7.5 AR pistol and it takes the noise down enough to not rattle my teeth while making the gun easier to shoot. It throws a huge fire ball out the front on the first shot, so buyer beware. When they run their special pricing I was able to get the suppressor for sub $300 making it less than $500 with tax stamp. It also makes 22lr super sonic almost hearing safe and subsonic 22lr just has a little pop and is super fun to shoot. When I put it on my 13.9 AR rifle it works amazingly and I don't get gassed out at all. Don't spend big bucks unless it is necessary, I run that can on both of those rifles all the time indoor and outdoor and it makes a huge difference.

  • @Arkancide
    @Arkancide Месяц назад +3

    I hope CAT sends you their WB or ODB cans to try out. I'd really enjoy hearing what you think of it.

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Месяц назад +4

      I've shot the one Brassfacts has. It's impressively quiet but I don't think I'd describe it as a flow through/low backpressure design. Maybe slightly reduced, but it still gasses you out and it still needs tuning.

    • @Arkancide
      @Arkancide Месяц назад

      @@Hoplopfheil Thank you very much for your input.

    • @UndertheTreesPNW
      @UndertheTreesPNW Месяц назад +1

      I have the Alleycat 556 on a 10.3 MK18 and an 11.5 URGI. As a lefty I think it's as good as the FLOW 556K for gas reduction and it's also significantly quieter

  • @ThePatriotParadox
    @ThePatriotParadox Месяц назад

    Confirms my choices when hops personal rifle looks about exactly like mine, nice choice on the black rifle in the intro.

  • @hikeskool
    @hikeskool Месяц назад +5

    Comments section not disappointing thank you for the title of the video 👌

    • @ToastbackWhale
      @ToastbackWhale Месяц назад +4

      I always say I’m going to stop getting into it in RUclips comments and then every time people start acting a fool 🥴

    • @hikeskool
      @hikeskool Месяц назад +3

      @@ToastbackWhale as is painfully apparent to me and anyone else who cares to look I have yet to learn that lesson m'self good day to you sir👌

  • @Joseph-f8j1f
    @Joseph-f8j1f 22 дня назад

    Agree 100%. I could use either a carbine or heavy buffer with my 762 Ti on a Geissele upper. The ejection pattern barely changes.

  • @g54b95
    @g54b95 Месяц назад +21

    Be forewarned: there is NO Socko footage in this.

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Месяц назад +7

      Socko was behind the camera

  • @johnL-xk2js
    @johnL-xk2js Месяц назад

    So, I have a question and a comment. My question is, what is that mag shoot you have on your rifle? I couldn't see who made it? First, I appreciate the time and energy you put into this it saves me a lot of time and energy. Most of my gas problems are fixed by having the right buffer(K spec H3 flat spring) and a downward gassing KAK carrier. My next level was getting a reflex from Otter Creek. It's amazing how much quieter my suppressor is and how much less gas there is. Tuning is very important and it makes a big difference. My gun now shoots like a 22 and almost sounds like a 22. I'm still going to wear ear protection because it's important. The reflex solved a lot of problems. My next level is getting the Griffin Armament carrier system, which is coming out. It actually delays opening the breech, which should help a lot with the last bit of gas. I'm just not sold on the expense of the flow through system and silence is my main goal. I've spent a bit of time on this and I hope this helps.

  • @DirtyDan4659
    @DirtyDan4659 Месяц назад +13

    Don’t listen to the haters hop, I’ve met you in real life, you handsome bastard. The camera doesn’t do you justice.

    • @Eio395
      @Eio395 Месяц назад +9

      Zip it up when you’re done lil bro

    • @LooperEpic
      @LooperEpic Месяц назад +5

      @@Eio395I’ll zip it up and then it’s my turn

    • @DirtyDan4659
      @DirtyDan4659 Месяц назад

      @@Eio395 don’t worry, I saved the base for you 💕

  • @hunterdka
    @hunterdka Месяц назад

    I picked up a ventum 30 and enjoy that can a lot. Hub compatible, less gas to the face, while still sounding good.

  • @theBullStarr
    @theBullStarr Месяц назад +4

    Great video Hop 👍 you're the only person that can tell me about health and safety without causing me to have a brain aneurysm.

  • @DirtDobber
    @DirtDobber Месяц назад +1

    I have the oss el 762 and the 556 helix and I fookin love them.

  • @TerminalM193
    @TerminalM193 Месяц назад +4

    Who came up with the myth that traditional suppressors lessened recoil? I never understood how creating a more violent action lessens recoil....

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Месяц назад +1

      Always wondered that myself lol

    • @whiteren8749
      @whiteren8749 Месяц назад +2

      It should on a bolt action, or on a "tuned" host

    • @Rb889
      @Rb889 Месяц назад

      Recoil is increased, but muzzle movement is decreased due to the big honking dildo screwed onto the end.

    • @SauerkrautIsGood
      @SauerkrautIsGood Месяц назад

      Reasoning is probably along the lines of "heavier = less felt recoil"

    • @mellboglms
      @mellboglms Месяц назад

      some dude was probably like "more weight means less recoil" which is sort of true but definitely not in this context

  • @stevedo18able
    @stevedo18able Месяц назад +1

    I have the issue with the can getting stuck on my muzzle devices as well. Carbon buildup and tight tolerances, but if you keep rotating the can there’s a “sweet spot” where it removes easier in the “feels stuck” position

  • @JetorgXIII
    @JetorgXIII Месяц назад +16

    I went with a CAT WB and convinced my friend to buy a Huxwrx 556k, the overall pleasantness of shooting 5.56 with them is notably higher than with traditionally baffled cans. My Polonium is still my favorite can for dedicated 5.56 performance up until you actually have to shoot the thing. If someone wants to use a traditional can I'd recommend coming to terms with the fact that the gun will need some degree of tuning. High flow designs don't need it. I can shoot my WB on any of my rifles without issues and the only cost is that the thing weighs significantly more than advertised and it's noticeably louder but it still does what a suppressor is supposed to do, even if my gear autism twitches that it's not as quiet as my Polonium. Tactical can's are for the bad guys, not for us, I think a lot of people reverse those priorities because they want to be cool to strangers and friends on the range rather than real world applications.

    • @jshaw1503
      @jshaw1503 Месяц назад +2

      You probably got the mil version. They were shipping them out by accident for awhile. You can tell by a band engraved around it towards the bottom and the serials not being on the side but where you thread the can on. I know because I got one lol

    • @hikeskool
      @hikeskool Месяц назад +1

      “But but read it says the ‘polo’ is the best because it’s the quietest!”

    • @JetorgXIII
      @JetorgXIII Месяц назад

      @@jshaw1503 I checked and mine is on the side, but that's an interesting caveat!

    • @JetorgXIII
      @JetorgXIII Месяц назад +1

      @@hikeskool For the money I think they are incredibly difficult to beat. But best because quietest really doesn't do justice to all the elements that make a suppressor useful and a bunch of reddit would take issue with that. Lots of performance characteristics to evaluate, and everyone is gonna have different preferences on where they do best.

    • @soulshot96
      @soulshot96 Месяц назад

      ​@@jshaw1503 Was thinking the same. I got a MIL MOB myself. Shit's a bit over a full pound with my tri-lug adapter installed...but hey, at least I really don't have to worry about overheating it on my SP5 😂

  • @politicalpolarbear
    @politicalpolarbear Месяц назад +2

    I have a Flow556 with an adjustable gas-block and a downward ported BCG and I send almost all gas out the suppressor or into the magazine. Such a change from the cancer cloud that I had before.

    • @boogy-f8j
      @boogy-f8j Месяц назад

      Into magazine, requiring mag cleaning or it'll jam.

    • @hikeskool
      @hikeskool Месяц назад +4

      @@boogy-f8j Magpul makes an inexpensive follower and Sprinco springs are never a bad addition👌

    • @politicalpolarbear
      @politicalpolarbear Месяц назад +2

      @@boogy-f8j most of the powder settles on the brass. Hop even did a video on this concept. even regular mags get dirty over time.

    • @soulshot96
      @soulshot96 Месяц назад +1

      I just run an adjustable gas block with my 556K. Tuned the rifle to lock back on pud loaded .223 PMC Bronze, the weakest garbage I train with, then tossed the can on it. Shoots like a dream, and runs every type of ammo I care to throw in it without issue. Don't plan on touching the gas unless I change cans and deem it necessary again lol.

  • @Argentum7756
    @Argentum7756 Месяц назад +3

    Pewscience member and early OSS adopter here.
    The factory HuxWrx mounts have a stupidly tight taper lockup with their cans once you heat the system up after firing. You can break the can loose with muscle after it's cooled down to ambient temperature. But I always just use the wrench it came with because I am inpatient.
    Also the Cobalt hux devices don't properly activate the annulus of Hux's FlowThrough tech. Those tiny little ports create additive shock reflections which actually increases your backpressure in the blast chamber which is counter productive to the entire point of using a Hux can. Cobalt discontinued their mounts for a reason.

  • @duncan1930
    @duncan1930 Месяц назад

    Managed to get a Sico Velos With a free stamp and I love it, sounds good, great flash reduction, and hardly any gas felt in the face even shooting indoors.

  • @Throndl
    @Throndl Месяц назад +36

    If it wasn't for the NFA, semi-auto rifles would likely be integrally suppressed from the factory, and people would be arguing we DON'T need suppressors.

    • @Kesssuli
      @Kesssuli Месяц назад +4

      Taking account how supressors are already treated as ammo in europe that is not true.
      For bolt-guns that is not even option to no choose it. Semi-automatics specially ar-platform
      are in gray area in that regard.
      Personally i like to have supresor in my ar but like it is already discussed it is bit work to make it
      work in normal DI gun whitout adjustable gasport or getting flowtrough which is bit worse
      for sound reduction.
      Edit: It is bit more complicated than that in reality.

    • @aaronsung6208
      @aaronsung6208 Месяц назад +5

      This cynicism is wrong: most weapon sales are to the military where they don't need to do NFA, but they don't have great integrated suppressor technology.

    • @JNOSNOW
      @JNOSNOW Месяц назад +4

      I don't think I would want an integral suppressed AR. You're really stuck to that one design for the rest of its life.

    • @Not_Sure_81
      @Not_Sure_81 Месяц назад +3

      Integraly suppressed would mean the rifle would be heavier by default with no other option. Mean there's more shit to have to keep clean, more shit to go wrong (more money out of pocket to fix if something broke - baffle strikes/cracks or fractures). Nah. Not ideal

    • @altairibnlaahad9348
      @altairibnlaahad9348 Месяц назад

      Like air rifles?

  • @SXSAK
    @SXSAK Месяц назад +1

    You should try the 556 flow TI next. It’s their full-size flow through option and I’ve got to say I love it. It boioioings the gas much better then I expected a flow through can to and is only about a hundred bucks more then the 556k. I was worried about longevity under sustained fire because it’s titanium but I’ve been hammering it with rounds and long strings of fire and it has been holding up fine. It’s also full auto rated and tested to the same specs as all the other cans they make so I wasn’t super worried about it. It comes in lighter then the K and is very much quieter in the environment I shoot in.

  • @Tarburz
    @Tarburz Месяц назад +9

    Idk exactly why or what is going on with my rifle setup compared to most people's, but I do not have these high-pressure blowback to the eyeballs issues a lot of people seem to have.

    • @SolutreanSpear
      @SolutreanSpear Месяц назад +2

      What type of setup do you have?

    • @woahdude3853
      @woahdude3853 Месяц назад +13

      Maybe your gay?

    • @hikeskool
      @hikeskool Месяц назад +3

      “I haven’t put any effort into this more than a normal person but I don’t have the problems normal people have” 👌

  • @jordanyang3066
    @jordanyang3066 Месяц назад +2

    Love the honest ending. "I only have one cause it was free".....lol

  • @EastCoastMan603
    @EastCoastMan603 Месяц назад +4

    6:55 - anytime i bring that up I get called anti-Semitic ?! WTH

  • @NebulousCat
    @NebulousCat Месяц назад +1

    Yep, Phoenix is awesome in the winter, not so much in the summer.

  • @duck_iri
    @duck_iri Месяц назад +5

    you bless us with Smudge segment in your last video, but you do not grant us with the privilege of a cat segment in this video? you truly are a merciless human being

    • @MRsolidcolor
      @MRsolidcolor Месяц назад

      i can do with out cats.. not a cat fan.. they are aliens here to watch us..

  • @darksi226
    @darksi226 Месяц назад

    It would be cool to see a camera down range showing the difference of how it lowers your signature. That might explain the benefit of can or no can. Nice vid

  • @DerWaidmann_
    @DerWaidmann_ Месяц назад +7

    Suppressors are too damn expensive

  • @cornydad
    @cornydad Месяц назад

    My ears still ring when shooting unsuppressed while wearing ear plugs and ear miffs at the same time when under cover. Using my Huxwrx takes the "boom" out and stops the ringing. No gas to the face with a stock S&W MP15 and runs with no issues. The end contours allows the suppressor cover to stay in place. I bought it mainly to save the hearing of my kids, and its definitely worth the money.

  • @xhall0910
    @xhall0910 Месяц назад +6

    just a european passing by to watch people having fun with guns while I'm not allowed to have a swissknife in my poket.

    • @hikeskool
      @hikeskool Месяц назад +2

      Move 👌

    • @xhall0910
      @xhall0910 Месяц назад

      @hikeskool nah. I'm able to provide for my family with a single income while wifey is at home with kids. We are doing too good to move away lol

    • @HOMELESSG0D
      @HOMELESSG0D Месяц назад +2

      @@xhall0910 that is what matters most.

  • @theshamanist113
    @theshamanist113 Месяц назад +2

    I would add that the Hux 762 Flow TI, which is the 30 Cal version of what you have was actually proven to be quieter in some other reviewers testing. Even on 556 because of the added diameter. That and it has the ability to be thrown on 30 rifles as well. The big negative I have with my Hucks scan is muzzle device availability. They are out of stock everywhere and when one pops up it’s like $300.

    • @hikeskool
      @hikeskool Месяц назад +1

      They’re almost everywhere; set up UPC alerts and be prepared to buy👌

    • @JNOSNOW
      @JNOSNOW Месяц назад +3

      Yeah people are always talking shit about the boomy Flow 556 K but when you shoot it and get it in hand, it does amazingly well at providing you hearing protection for a tiny K can.

    • @hikeskool
      @hikeskool Месяц назад +1

      @@JNOSNOW but but read it says it actually makes things louder and they post cool pics of they "setups" so they probably know what they talking about👌

    • @soulshot96
      @soulshot96 Месяц назад

      Hux has sales on the muzzle devices on their site all the time. Just sign up for alerts/emails and you can scoop them up for sub $75 often. Availability is also improving a lot now that the suppressor rush pre election and post fast ATF approvals has subsided a bit. Nothing was fucking in stock for a while there. Was a backorder / stock notification nightmare lol.
      Also, the new Flow 556Ti, which is the same size as the 762Ti, performs even better on 5.56. Right up at the top of PewScience charts. As an owner of the 556K and 762Ti...it's quite tempting.

    • @soulshot96
      @soulshot96 Месяц назад +1

      @@JNOSNOW Most people that talk about it love comparing it to full sized cans too, ignoring it's K size...and they also love ignoring that Hux has full sized options with better sound performance as well. Shits so often so disengous it hurts.

  • @Mrgunsngear
    @Mrgunsngear Месяц назад +4

    🇺🇸

  • @chaunceychappelle3265
    @chaunceychappelle3265 Месяц назад

    Brilliant thumbnail- "Why would I worry about making my gun quieter but shoot this big I am over here flame out the front; let me watch the video". Brilliant Hop. Brilliant.😎

  • @_Art.Vandelay
    @_Art.Vandelay Месяц назад +3

    I’m just here for the venture ad reads. Idgaf about cans.

  • @78tooth83
    @78tooth83 Месяц назад

    I’ve been really happy with my OSS 30 cal can. It seems to be working quite well on my 556 as well. It sounds like a 22 LR most of the time

  • @ABowlofPho
    @ABowlofPho Месяц назад +5

    Let's be real, the lead issue in military is still going to happen with or without the high flow/low backpressure can thing. Though it does give them an additional fallback to claim that anybody's elevated lead levels are not service related and deny even more claims at the VA for them as a result.

  • @jryker28
    @jryker28 Месяц назад

    Velos LBP is easily the best flow through can and one of the top cans in general. But I am excited to get my hands on an infinity.

  • @кяуртіс
    @кяуртіс Месяц назад +5

    Flowthroughs are literally car mufflers.

  • @ericbergfield6451
    @ericbergfield6451 Месяц назад

    Thanks for the presentation

  • @canal10centrado
    @canal10centrado Месяц назад +3

    I feel sory for you americans that cannot taste the fine suppressors made by MFT. They are the best at killing flash and they are very low back pressure. I strongly believe in them. And in the videos i have you can see very small puffs of smoke without any gas tunning because you tune the gas inside the core of the suppressor.

  • @reginaldchesterfield8110
    @reginaldchesterfield8110 Месяц назад +1

    Haha the ending is hilarious. I really like Hop’s cool guy attitude haha

  • @TheJalopy80
    @TheJalopy80 Месяц назад

    The B&T cans work pretty well and flows awesome. To me.

  • @matthewconner7800
    @matthewconner7800 Месяц назад

    The one quirk I found on my OSS HXQD that was a VERY niche drawback, was specifically when shooting through it at night, using a PVS-30 and an IR light (in my case, a Surefire with Vampire light head), and there’s a brief “green out” through the scope, as the gasses exiting the front of the can reflect the IR light.
    Such a niche issue that it’s near negligible, since there’s very few time’s I’d have the light on while shooting through that.

  • @FaustianDaydreams
    @FaustianDaydreams Месяц назад

    Biggest upside I’ve found with a HUXWRX is that you don’t need really need to tune your rifle. I’m more of a GPR kinda guy though so alot of the short barrel stuff doesn’t apply BUT, that suppressor gets awful heavy at the end of a full length barrel after a while.

  • @JTient
    @JTient Месяц назад +1

    Hey message to the gun builders these aren't hard engineering problems to solve. Integral suppressors green laser pointers adapted to be IR with a front sight I would also add a piston. And one of those cool twist adjustable gas blocks

  • @RustyShackleford556
    @RustyShackleford556 Месяц назад +2

    What am I supposed to do if I live in a miserable place where it's both hot and wet?

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Месяц назад +1

      Get a window A/C unit

    • @RustyShackleford556
      @RustyShackleford556 Месяц назад +1

      @ Seems like a lot of extra weight to add to my ruck but ok

  • @oneijack98
    @oneijack98 Месяц назад +2

    I got a Huxwrx Ventum 762 and yeah it's not super quiet but it's not bad either. Still can pop a few 5.56 without going deaf but I wouldn't recommend a mag dump. Honey Badger 300bo with subs is better and a 300bo bolt gun subs is pretty hearing safe. No/less gas to the face is why I got it.