Technically leaving Kevin behind worked out for the best. It's like saying that you're going to abandon Starbuck on Earth because she overslept. Which would probably mean that radioactive ashland will inexplicably have a fully functioning flak network by the time the crew realize that she's being assaulted by three basestars
I have no idea how Pegasus survived this. It’s plot armor must have been reinforced right before this episode. Which in turn weakened plot armor by the time of the evacuation of New Caprica….
@@chrisamon4551 The Pegasus was at full strength during this attack, whereas she was only running with skeleton crew at New Caprica and lacked any form of fighter support (since Lee left all of his Vipers with the civilian fleet).
@@chrisamon4551 Full crew means full strength damage control as well as complete fighter support (something both Battlestars lacked during New Caprica). That and Lee had full intentions of escaping from this battle unlike when he charged in to rescue the Galactica.
@Raven4K Good enough if it gives them the element of surprise and let's them hit first and hard. That's what you do against a stronger opponent. If they manage to destroy them, great. If not, let's try again. Cylons had time and resources on their side, and they gotta get in the mud eventually... you'll not gonna destroy an enemy ship by just looking at it.
In the episode after this, the Cylons advanced to putting a bucket of water on top of a slightly open door and calling to the humans from the next room.
It's actually surprising how many crucial decisions in this show a made by a lone Marine with a pistol staring down at 2 bickering superior officers... These guys don't get enough credit.
@@Azizopolis i think it is the caliber being referenced The Pegasus use 2 type of batteries, a smaller more common gun turrets of the same caliber as those from Galactica The second is the fixed foward gun batteries that, arcoding to a fan, can fix a raider or a viper MK7 inside without their wings so the 2200 could be 2200mm or 90 inches -ish for yall Freedom people A little comparision: a Yamato class carry 9 main cannons, each of which are 18 inches (for yall Freedom people) or 457mm-ish, which mean one of those fixed guns are almost 5 times bigger than our biggest gun, the kinetic energy coming from such a round is enough to make the receiving tin can or toaster have a bad bad day
@@henrycooper3431 A lot more than 5x. Surface area is pi*r^2 so twice the radius (or caliber) = 4x the surface area. So 5x larger means 25x the surface area, but then larger diameter calibers also correlate to longer (length) of bullets so there's another 5x factor on top of that, so probably 125x larger. For example a 0.50 caliber BMG is 12.7 mm and is "only 1.4x larger" than a 9mm, but yet volumetrically (and firepower) is many, many times larger and more powerful. Same goes for Tank shells which are 120 mm and only "9x" the size of a .50 caliber yet are much larger and more powerful than 9x 0.50 caliber rounds.
And their anticapship torpedoes were ready with a presighted solution on the raptors. They just straight out fired everything they had at the neighborhood and let the torpedo guidance take over from there.
If you notice the song was noticeable different from the beginning then at 2:44 it did an abrupt change......In the beginning it gave off a patriotic vibe of a General refusing to give up on his men, disobeying orders to rescue those left behind....then during the argument between Lee and Garner it was a nail screeching tension as you could not tell which side the guard would take....then a eerey silence when Pegasus jumps after they come out from the jump its a solo horn you would hear if you were marooned in the desert with subtle bass to drive the suspense of the scene....once the raptors are shown to be intact, it comes to a horror discovery screech into a mourning score and slow realization that erupts into battle drums sounding the fight for survival in the enemy trap. It is beyond words of how good these 3 minutes of screen time were perfectly captured and conveyed in the score.
Why is this music after cylons jump in not in the soundtrack?!?!? Its absolutely awesome. Love this scene. Although it should have been kept longer, I love how they show Lee taking command. Love the camera and music in BSG :D
I wouldnt doubt if the cylons actually retrieved the raptors after this attack. I'm more concerned with humanity stumbling across the 12 colonies someday and going "Wtf? why are humans here" lol
Yes, with as much the repeated scenario happening at least once more resulting in the 78 version, implying that the freed centurions created a lizard species that then created their own cylons.
@Fabian Kirchgessner Yeah but he wasn't very good at conveying those orders and the severity of the situation to his underlings. Either way, any enlisted man would follow his original team, that's just how it is, very few would take the orders from an outsider no matter what they are. That's how loyalty and chain of command works.
@@deancain1841 you should watch Crimson Tide a similar situation happened and the men followed the new XO because the captain was out of order. It’s not about loyalty it’s about rules, regulation and the chain of command and in this case the commander was out of order and should’ve been relieved of duty for going against the direct orders of an admiral. Sorry if I sounded condescending 😅
Lee might have won if the other guy didnt say the serg was a crew member of the ship. After that it was done. Like galatica, the peg crew has been through alot too and they're pretty tight. Regs or no, Lee is an outsider and even his father would have been taken
@Fabian Kirchgessner Doesn't really matter, any enlisted man will follow their original team if that's what it comes down to. If you never served you probably don't understand, but that's how loyalty and chain of command works.
That's precisely why he was put in charge in the first place. For being senior and part of the Pagasus crew, despite not being qualified as a commander. Would you put Tyrol in charge of Galactica? But if all other important figures were killed, you'd have to in order to keep the G crew in check. That's part of human nature no matter how much training and regulations you pour in. We're tribalistic, we stay with our group.
Frakkin loved this show. My favorite series of all time. And Admiral Adama is the best character to be on TV. Edward James Olmos is God tier. BUT ny one gripe with Pegasus was Apollo smashing it to save Galactica. Yeah, he had no choice but it would of been so much cooler to have Galactica and Pegasus til the end of the show. Sure, maybe God didn't want it but they would have wrecked the Colony with ease with both.
I still think that the Pegasus could and should have been destroyed, but not during the exodus; the most appropriate moment would have been during the Battle of the Ionian Nebula, with the Cylons strictly targeting the two battlestars, especially the Pegasus, which could have been destroyed in the swift engagement, with a significant portion of the crew managing to evacuate moments before the destruction. In the end, it would have been a price paid by humanity, with extremely heavy casualties among the military, but the fleet would have continued to exist.
@NihlusGreen yes it was a fat suit. I think writer Moore said in his episode commentary that they had planned to do more with the story but it got cut and it didn’t translate well to the screen as their was no context given or explained with what remained.
Understandable why Colonel Fisk was made commander of Pegasus, he was Cain’s XO. After his death Helo should have been next in line to command of Pegasus, the most stable candidate compare to Gardener and Apollo. Maybe Adama should have move his flag to Pegasus and give Colonel Tigh the command Galactica.
Show was called BSG, not BSP. And i don't think as an old timer, he would have done a good job with that new ship when he commanded, well, basically an obsolete warship for almost his entire career. It was not his ship.
@@rageagaintstheNWO Adama was in command of the Battlestar Valkyri and is a seasoned war time commander.....he would do far better then most younger CO with the Pegasus
@@Knuspermonster I guess the experience would make the difference, even on a basically brand new ship. But his old crew would still need to be trained. Tigh proved he's no commander material.
It's a disgrace that the Pegasus didn't have its point defence batteries on permanent standby. How the frack could that nuke hit the ship without a single shell being put in the air to stop it? Pathetic.
Nukes got through in the next scene, even with her flak defenses up *AND* with Vipers deployed. Plus, Mercury's aren't AAA powerhouses like the Jupiters.
Galactica gets hit by nukes several times despite having its AA grid only as well. You cant intercept all nukes, some will get rhough eventually and Pegasus didnt have its Vipers out yet to have them destroy nuclear missles directly like Galactica has them do several times.
There wasn't much choice for Pegasus after losing most of her command chain, short of bringing in someone from outside. Even bringing in some from Galactica would be difficult as (someone experienced enough to command a Battlestar) only Adama and Tigh would come to mind initially. Obviously for Lee it was a steep learning curve but kept calm and took command.
It was somewhat explained in Razor and one of the episode teasers that most of the Pegasus CoC had been killed off, Cain had a legacy that left in a really strained position. Regardless of Cain’s own immorality, Pegasus was a very tight knit ship and putting a Galactica officer in command would probably do more harm than good no matter how good they were. That’s why Major Shaw was made XO of Pegasus by Lee, to keep the crew integrity.
@Fabian Kirchgessner Oh I know, and I agree that placing someone from Galactica's chief command would have created lots of tension (although I think Gaeta and Kelly would have been good candidates), I just think it was poor judgment on Adama to choose an engineer with no command or even CIC experience and without being vetted. From the get-go clearly had no people skills and it doesn't seem like anyone in Pegasus CIC truly respects him. I think Hoshi, perhaps their CAG, or even Garner's XO would have been better choices. Although I thought it was kind of brilliant to show how Cain's ruthless actions created massive consequences after her death (if she didn't shoot Belzen then Pegasus likely would have survived throughout the show, barring plot-armor).
The Colonies are probably a Federal Republic. So there's probably, well, was, a Governor of Caprica, or Steward, or something, under the President, or even a President of Caprica, along with the President of the Twelve Colonies.
@@Eshanas Yes. The Colonial Charter is less than 50 years old. Prior to that each colony was independent and self-governing; Caprica had was a parliamentary republic. In the series Caprica (set maybe a decade or a decade a half before Unification) there’s a quick reference to the Inter-Colonial Court on Libran, so there were probably other joint institutions and treaties that bound the colonies together before though.
Audie Murphy of WWII killed 500,000 People as a young man allegedly. Perhaps it was Roy, Roy was a Child. Roy Benavides inherited his Medal of Honor somehow.
This is the worst writing about the command structure and sets up the premise of sacrificing the Pegasus, a almost new ship, that very little combat damage, but has twice the viper capacity, longer range, generations ahead in armor and defenses and has the capacity to manufacture new parts for both fleet ships and vipers. And to setup the sacrifice to save the Galactica. A ship literally a museum that then suffered continuous battle damage and was falling apart half way through the series.
Let me get this straight. Garner recklessly endangers the most valuable military asset in the entire fleet and it's crew for something not worth risking it for. He looked at by every character as an incompetent commander and only doesn't get consequences because he sacrificed himself to right his wrong and save his ship. Next season, Lee recklessly endangers the most valuable military asset in the entire fleet and it's crew for something not worth risking it for. He's looked at as a hero, gets zero consequences, is never called out for his incompetence or stupidity and is still given jobs he's in no way qualified for. Also unlike Garner who realized he messed up and redeemed himself by giving his life to save his ship and crew. Lee lacked that self awareness and not only succeeded in destroying the Pegasus, but also leaves his ship to die instead of going down with her like a good commander should have. Sidenote: this scene in retrospect makes Lee a hypocrite. "Endangering the Pegasus is wrong. Except when I do it then it's completely fine."
Lee´s action saved lives of everyone on Galactica (which was unable to evacuate its crew) with zero lives lost, thus protecting another equally important military asset at the time: military personnel. Maybe even more important given that one of lives saved was that of the Admiral of the Fleet and with limited numbers it was likely that losses suffered in case Galactica was lost may not have been ever replaced. Lee´s choice is not as black and white as every armchair tactician claims.
Garner risked a Pegasus that had all her available crew, plus her supplies and viper and raptor squadrons just to save two raptors and 4/6 pilots. Lee risked an almost empty Pegasus (he left all their supplies, vipers, raptors and crew with the fleet), 4 raptors and a maximum of 48 people (each Raptor having a maximum of 10 passengers + 2 pilots according to the wiki) to save a badly damaged but still functional battlestar with a crew number easily on the hundreds. I think both made a mistake, but Garner was plain stupid. Lee was somewhat justified, even if it wasn't the best strategic option. We have to remember that Pegasus was severely handycapped by the hacking abilities of the cylons (it was like having your smartphone in plane mode: you can use it, but you lose most of it functionality), added to having half the required crew. Her most valuable characteristic was her built in viper factory and training simulators. But as a battlestar, it was more valuable the Adama's commanded Galactica, even in her state.
@Fabian Kirchgessner Lee lacking experience only means he shouldn't have been given the Pegasus in the first. I know the fleet doesn't have a surplus of battlestar commander candidates, but couldn't they have gotten someone else? How about Tigh he far more commanding a Battlestar than Lee. How about Gaeta, the man spent his entire life working to become an officer on a Battlestar.
"Take him below!" Below where? You're on a space ship. Everywhere is below unless he means below the hull in which case just say that you want him to be put outside.
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Man nearly destroyed the Pegasus and he left Kevin home alone, by the Lord's of Kobol get your act together man.
Technically leaving Kevin behind worked out for the best. It's like saying that you're going to abandon Starbuck on Earth because she overslept. Which would probably mean that radioactive ashland will inexplicably have a fully functioning flak network by the time the crew realize that she's being assaulted by three basestars
It's OK, Generic Tom Cruise wasted the Pegasus a season or two later for no good reason.
@@beyerch well they needed the space for the Basestar sets.
don't forget Sharknado
Lmao i never knew that was him
The fact that the Pegasus survived this shows how inherently tough a Battlestar is despite how it's commanded.
Well it survived, unlike the stupid Move Lee Adama did. He sacrifice a better Ship to save the Galactica.
I have no idea how Pegasus survived this. It’s plot armor must have been reinforced right before this episode. Which in turn weakened plot armor by the time of the evacuation of New Caprica….
@@chrisamon4551 The Pegasus was at full strength during this attack, whereas she was only running with skeleton crew at New Caprica and lacked any form of fighter support (since Lee left all of his Vipers with the civilian fleet).
@@Mobius_118 being at full crew strength doesn’t help against several direct nuke hits to the face followed by a massive conventional bombardment…
@@chrisamon4551 Full crew means full strength damage control as well as complete fighter support (something both Battlestars lacked during New Caprica). That and Lee had full intentions of escaping from this battle unlike when he charged in to rescue the Galactica.
Yeah, you go with a battleship on a rescue mission instead of sending a Raptor. It's like going in with the USS Nimitz instead of sending a chopper...
HE'S GETTING HIS MEN BACK
That would be an hell of a sight: A full aircraft carrier charging on you 🤣.
Sending in a Battlestar is the equivalent of using a small carrier strike group instead of sending a chopper.
I just imaging seeing Keving McCallister's Home Alone Face when Garner shits his pants in this scene XD
@@speed65752 Modern aircraft carriers don't have much weapons suitable for close combat. That's why they always travel in carrier groups.
A *_really_** obvious* trap.
This is the _proto_ trap. This is the trap your 5-year old could come up with.
against pegasus though how good is the trap? considering the damage pegasus dishes out to the cylons
@Raven4K Good enough if it gives them the element of surprise and let's them hit first and hard. That's what you do against a stronger opponent. If they manage to destroy them, great. If not, let's try again. Cylons had time and resources on their side, and they gotta get in the mud eventually... you'll not gonna destroy an enemy ship by just looking at it.
In the episode after this, the Cylons advanced to putting a bucket of water on top of a slightly open door and calling to the humans from the next room.
If this is a chess match, humans are down too much material to be trading pieces. Cylons can take a lot of losses for 1 battlestar.
It'd have been awesome if they had filmed a scene of the Cylons just looking at each other incredulous that the Pegasus had fallen for it.
0:51 Hoshi was like "Not again"
"Can we have a competent Commander for like 5 Minutes PLS......why is every CO of this Ship fucking stupid" Hoshi probably
*has intense ptsd*
But did anyone die... yet???
"I left Kevin behind, I'm not leaving any more!!!"
Sharknado proved that
😂😂😂😂
People complaining how fast the Pegasus went down in the end tend to forget this scene where her armor was melted in the nuclear fire.
It's actually surprising how many crucial decisions in this show a made by a lone Marine with a pistol staring down at 2 bickering superior officers...
These guys don't get enough credit.
Yea. When it comes down to it the guy in charge is the guy with a gun.
credit for making the wrong call?
Power (unfortunately) often flows from the tip of a sword, or these days from the barrel of a gun.
"2200 Main battery has a firing solution"
Everything about this show is perfection.
What does 2200 mean?
@@Azizopolis 10-o'clock heading, upper deck.... my guess.
@@sixpetalflower6123 makes sense; much appreciated.
@@Azizopolis i think it is the caliber being referenced
The Pegasus use 2 type of batteries, a smaller more common gun turrets of the same caliber as those from Galactica
The second is the fixed foward gun batteries that, arcoding to a fan, can fix a raider or a viper MK7 inside without their wings so the 2200 could be 2200mm or 90 inches -ish for yall Freedom people
A little comparision: a Yamato class carry 9 main cannons, each of which are 18 inches (for yall Freedom people) or 457mm-ish, which mean one of those fixed guns are almost 5 times bigger than our biggest gun, the kinetic energy coming from such a round is enough to make the receiving tin can or toaster have a bad bad day
@@henrycooper3431 A lot more than 5x. Surface area is pi*r^2 so twice the radius (or caliber) = 4x the surface area. So 5x larger means 25x the surface area, but then larger diameter calibers also correlate to longer (length) of bullets so there's another 5x factor on top of that, so probably 125x larger. For example a 0.50 caliber BMG is 12.7 mm and is "only 1.4x larger" than a 9mm, but yet volumetrically (and firepower) is many, many times larger and more powerful. Same goes for Tank shells which are 120 mm and only "9x" the size of a .50 caliber yet are much larger and more powerful than 9x 0.50 caliber rounds.
"Three baseships just jumped into weapons range!"
"Oh my Gods..."
And their anticapship torpedoes were ready with a presighted solution on the raptors. They just straight out fired everything they had at the neighborhood and let the torpedo guidance take over from there.
This whole episode was so well done! I loved the tension and how battered the Pegasus got
You really don't want your captain's first reaction to be 'oh my Gods' once a crisis happens
If you notice the song was noticeable different from the beginning then at 2:44 it did an abrupt change......In the beginning it gave off a patriotic vibe of a General refusing to give up on his men, disobeying orders to rescue those left behind....then during the argument between Lee and Garner it was a nail screeching tension as you could not tell which side the guard would take....then a eerey silence when Pegasus jumps after they come out from the jump its a solo horn you would hear if you were marooned in the desert with subtle bass to drive the suspense of the scene....once the raptors are shown to be intact, it comes to a horror discovery screech into a mourning score and slow realization that erupts into battle drums sounding the fight for survival in the enemy trap.
It is beyond words of how good these 3 minutes of screen time were perfectly captured and conveyed in the score.
I've always loved this episode one of my favourites
This was a tense scene. Great!
Why is this music after cylons jump in not in the soundtrack?!?!?
Its absolutely awesome.
Love this scene. Although it should have been kept longer, I love how they show Lee taking command. Love the camera and music in BSG :D
If anyone knows where we can find it please send the link
@@TshepoNkadimeng5 2 years later, still looking or waiting.
@@o-mauler-o3021 😭
@@o-mauler-o3021 waiting
Cadê...
Since this show took place 150000 years ago, is there a chance that those two raptors are still drifting in space with human corpses in them.
That's great nightmare fuel. lol
I wouldnt doubt if the cylons actually retrieved the raptors after this attack. I'm more concerned with humanity stumbling across the 12 colonies someday and going "Wtf? why are humans here" lol
Yes, with as much the repeated scenario happening at least once more resulting in the 78 version, implying that the freed centurions created a lizard species that then created their own cylons.
We definitely need an Admiral Ackbar meme here! "It's a trap!"
BSG is STILL the best action-adventure scifi series ever.
When Adama Jr. doesn't have the authority gaze of his father. He gets escorted to brig.
@Fabian Kirchgessner Yeah but he wasn't very good at conveying those orders and the severity of the situation to his underlings. Either way, any enlisted man would follow his original team, that's just how it is, very few would take the orders from an outsider no matter what they are. That's how loyalty and chain of command works.
@@deancain1841 you should watch Crimson Tide a similar situation happened and the men followed the new XO because the captain was out of order. It’s not about loyalty it’s about rules, regulation and the chain of command and in this case the commander was out of order and should’ve been relieved of duty for going against the direct orders of an admiral. Sorry if I sounded condescending 😅
2:42 how it felt when the teacher's pet reminded the teacher about the quiz AND the homework
Lee might have won if the other guy didnt say the serg was a crew member of the ship. After that it was done. Like galatica, the peg crew has been through alot too and they're pretty tight. Regs or no, Lee is an outsider and even his father would have been taken
@Fabian Kirchgessner Doesn't really matter, any enlisted man will follow their original team if that's what it comes down to. If you never served you probably don't understand, but that's how loyalty and chain of command works.
That's precisely why he was put in charge in the first place. For being senior and part of the Pagasus crew, despite not being qualified as a commander. Would you put Tyrol in charge of Galactica? But if all other important figures were killed, you'd have to in order to keep the G crew in check.
That's part of human nature no matter how much training and regulations you pour in. We're tribalistic, we stay with our group.
Very much inspired by the scene in Crimson Tide.
Wow now that you say it..
I’ve been waiting for this bit for the longest time
The look on his face when he heard "They're all.. *Dead* " He was like oh S-
Frakkin loved this show. My favorite series of all time. And Admiral Adama is the best character to be on TV. Edward James Olmos is God tier.
BUT ny one gripe with Pegasus was Apollo smashing it to save Galactica. Yeah, he had no choice but it would of been so much cooler to have Galactica and Pegasus til the end of the show. Sure, maybe God didn't want it but they would have wrecked the Colony with ease with both.
I still think that the Pegasus could and should have been destroyed, but not during the exodus; the most appropriate moment would have been during the Battle of the Ionian Nebula, with the Cylons strictly targeting the two battlestars, especially the Pegasus, which could have been destroyed in the swift engagement, with a significant portion of the crew managing to evacuate moments before the destruction. In the end, it would have been a price paid by humanity, with extremely heavy casualties among the military, but the fleet would have continued to exist.
I'd like to see a spin off series with Fat Commander Lee
lol
@NihlusGreen yes it was a fat suit. I think writer Moore said in his episode commentary that they had planned to do more with the story but it got cut and it didn’t translate well to the screen as their was no context given or explained with what remained.
HEY! Leave His Chonkiness alone, man LOL
How did he even got fat when the colony was struggling just to survive down on the planet? Did he eat all the ice cream on the ship?
he never had the makings of a good officer
Or a varsity athlete.
@@deancain1841 indeed. he was a subpar officer in both shows
He just wasn't command material. He was good enough where he was before.
@@moose2577 indeed. they say people often get promoted until they reach a position they are really not good at handling.
@@TheDa6781 Peter's Principle.
That "not Pegasus crew" thing pisses me off. It's the uniform you wear, not which ship you're on. The ppl on Pegasus seem to have forgotten that.
Happens more often than you think.
Happens all the time in the service.
He was just looking for Kevin
Understandable why Colonel Fisk was made commander of Pegasus, he was Cain’s XO. After his death Helo should have been next in line to command of Pegasus, the most stable candidate compare to Gardener and Apollo. Maybe Adama should have move his flag to Pegasus and give Colonel Tigh the command Galactica.
Show was called BSG, not BSP. And i don't think as an old timer, he would have done a good job with that new ship when he commanded, well, basically an obsolete warship for almost his entire career. It was not his ship.
@@rageagaintstheNWO Adama was in command of the Battlestar Valkyri and is a seasoned war time commander.....he would do far better then most younger CO with the Pegasus
@@Knuspermonster I guess the experience would make the difference, even on a basically brand new ship. But his old crew would still need to be trained. Tigh proved he's no commander material.
Yes I agree. Adama should have moved to Pegasus. We all love Galactica but let's be honest Pegasus was their most valuable asset.
@@TheMattfranz exactly, the Pegasus was a asset the Colonials couldn’t afford to lose
The marine: ‘bro, don’t make me choose’.
Adama should've moved his flight to Pegasus right after Cain was murdered.
It's a disgrace that the Pegasus didn't have its point defence batteries on permanent standby. How the frack could that nuke hit the ship without a single shell being put in the air to stop it? Pathetic.
Nukes got through in the next scene, even with her flak defenses up *AND* with Vipers deployed. Plus, Mercury's aren't AAA powerhouses like the Jupiters.
Galactica gets hit by nukes several times despite having its AA grid only as well. You cant intercept all nukes, some will get rhough eventually and Pegasus didnt have its Vipers out yet to have them destroy nuclear missles directly like Galactica has them do several times.
The one thing i disliked about this episode was that the track that start at 2:42 was never released.
It's a shame that most of the incidental music didn't get a proper release. The same thing happened on Black Sails.
Home Alone 4: Left on Caprica.
I never understood why Adama made an engineer a commander of their most powerful ship.
There wasn't much choice for Pegasus after losing most of her command chain, short of bringing in someone from outside. Even bringing in some from Galactica would be difficult as (someone experienced enough to command a Battlestar) only Adama and Tigh would come to mind initially. Obviously for Lee it was a steep learning curve but kept calm and took command.
It was somewhat explained in Razor and one of the episode teasers that most of the Pegasus CoC had been killed off, Cain had a legacy that left in a really strained position. Regardless of Cain’s own immorality, Pegasus was a very tight knit ship and putting a Galactica officer in command would probably do more harm than good no matter how good they were. That’s why Major Shaw was made XO of Pegasus by Lee, to keep the crew integrity.
@Fabian Kirchgessner Oh I know, and I agree that placing someone from Galactica's chief command would have created lots of tension (although I think Gaeta and Kelly would have been good candidates), I just think it was poor judgment on Adama to choose an engineer with no command or even CIC experience and without being vetted. From the get-go clearly had no people skills and it doesn't seem like anyone in Pegasus CIC truly respects him. I think Hoshi, perhaps their CAG, or even Garner's XO would have been better choices. Although I thought it was kind of brilliant to show how Cain's ruthless actions created massive consequences after her death (if she didn't shoot Belzen then Pegasus likely would have survived throughout the show, barring plot-armor).
I love the look on Garner's face when he is told the Raptor crews are dead. You see his realization that he was set up.
he was the next choice in that ship as rank was concerned..
The pegasus could survive everything but bad commanders and thats all she got till she died
Dude got caught with his britches down...
Pegasus always had bad commanders
This gives off Crimson Tide vibes
They became Missing in 1995 when John J Spartans invented SegaDreamcast with Roy.
Audie Murphy is the actor of Sonic. Current Location is Oblivion.
This is why you don't appoint an engineer with no experience of military command to command a battlestar in a time of war.
0:49 _federal_ regulations?
The Colonies are probably a Federal Republic. So there's probably, well, was, a Governor of Caprica, or Steward, or something, under the President, or even a President of Caprica, along with the President of the Twelve Colonies.
Masque
@@Eshanas Yes. The Colonial Charter is less than 50 years old. Prior to that each colony was independent and self-governing; Caprica had was a parliamentary republic. In the series Caprica (set maybe a decade or a decade a half before Unification) there’s a quick reference to the Inter-Colonial Court on Libran, so there were probably other joint institutions and treaties that bound the colonies together before though.
Is that young General Hammond?
John Layton Starfleet 2999
And that's why you don't put an inexperienced commander in charge no matter what rank. Also you should listen to the XO if they make sense.
Is that Mike Barnes
At this point, Aaron Pearl should have gotten command.
Audie Murphy of WWII killed 500,000 People as a young man allegedly. Perhaps it was Roy, Roy was a Child. Roy Benavides inherited his Medal of Honor somehow.
USS Lacota temporal cold time war
He is there with my Family somehow...
A zombie apocalypse starts.
Meds
Admiral Ackbar could have told you this.
Crimson Tide much....?
how are these people getting the commander's "chair"?
Is Apollo a fuckin clone of tom cruise?
WWII 2008 30th Century???
My Kill Stat? LTKz Arkane, or Arkanenight Call of Duty WWII. Video Games are not Fake.
Yeah that Xbox 360 game.
thumbs down script writer's blaspheming destroying a good enough movie
This is the worst writing about the command structure and sets up the premise of sacrificing the Pegasus, a almost new ship, that very little combat damage, but has twice the viper capacity, longer range, generations ahead in armor and defenses and has the capacity to manufacture new parts for both fleet ships and vipers. And to setup the sacrifice to save the Galactica. A ship literally a museum that then suffered continuous battle damage and was falling apart half way through the series.
Let me get this straight. Garner recklessly endangers the most valuable military asset in the entire fleet and it's crew for something not worth risking it for. He looked at by every character as an incompetent commander and only doesn't get consequences because he sacrificed himself to right his wrong and save his ship.
Next season, Lee recklessly endangers the most valuable military asset in the entire fleet and it's crew for something not worth risking it for. He's looked at as a hero, gets zero consequences, is never called out for his incompetence or stupidity and is still given jobs he's in no way qualified for.
Also unlike Garner who realized he messed up and redeemed himself by giving his life to save his ship and crew. Lee lacked that self awareness and not only succeeded in destroying the Pegasus, but also leaves his ship to die instead of going down with her like a good commander should have.
Sidenote: this scene in retrospect makes Lee a hypocrite. "Endangering the Pegasus is wrong. Except when I do it then it's completely fine."
Lee´s action saved lives of everyone on Galactica (which was unable to evacuate its crew) with zero lives lost, thus protecting another equally important military asset at the time: military personnel.
Maybe even more important given that one of lives saved was that of the Admiral of the Fleet and with limited numbers it was likely that losses suffered in case Galactica was lost may not have been ever replaced.
Lee´s choice is not as black and white as every armchair tactician claims.
Yeah, sounds about right.
Garner risked a Pegasus that had all her available crew, plus her supplies and viper and raptor squadrons just to save two raptors and 4/6 pilots.
Lee risked an almost empty Pegasus (he left all their supplies, vipers, raptors and crew with the fleet), 4 raptors and a maximum of 48 people (each Raptor having a maximum of 10 passengers + 2 pilots according to the wiki) to save a badly damaged but still functional battlestar with a crew number easily on the hundreds.
I think both made a mistake, but Garner was plain stupid. Lee was somewhat justified, even if it wasn't the best strategic option. We have to remember that Pegasus was severely handycapped by the hacking abilities of the cylons (it was like having your smartphone in plane mode: you can use it, but you lose most of it functionality), added to having half the required crew. Her most valuable characteristic was her built in viper factory and training simulators. But as a battlestar, it was more valuable the Adama's commanded Galactica, even in her state.
@Fabian Kirchgessner Lee lacking experience only means he shouldn't have been given the Pegasus in the first. I know the fleet doesn't have a surplus of battlestar commander candidates, but couldn't they have gotten someone else? How about Tigh he far more commanding a Battlestar than Lee. How about Gaeta, the man spent his entire life working to become an officer on a Battlestar.
_I'm the coward. I'm the traitor. I'm forgiven._
Easyphone A1 was an accomplished traveller how about she sees beyond Ukraine?
"Take him below!"
Below where? You're on a space ship. Everywhere is below unless he means below the hull in which case just say that you want him to be put outside.
The brigg. And the battlestars do have several decks, its not just one floor...
Oh look! Joe Biden has taken command!
Sorry. That doesnt belong here.
Just couldnt ignore the glaring irony.
I'm so sorry but that was just frakking perfect!!! So say we all!!!
@@gabrielpaige3514 beautiful reply 👍
@@jamesconkey1480 Thank you!!! They're both ridiculous in that situation like the real life candidates! Perfect match!
Sir what are your orders??
Trunanushlmapressure!!!
We're all gonna die aren't we...
@@OrenTubing 😂😂😂👍
Why Adama even put this Pah-Tak in command of one of the FINEST battlestars ever is beyond me.