We tested an electric fire truck in Berlin, Germany since nearly 2 years and its great. No problems with to low energy. There is an diesel engine on board, if there is a long time operation. For cities its really good.
Check Madison, Wisconsin's FD unit, it's made mostly by Pierce Manufacturing in Wisconsin. It has been in service for about a year and has been on working fires!
@@NORB07 I agree but the reason I phrased it that way is because part of the DC technology is a collaboration with a company in the UK. Just clarifying as the"LAFD" Rosenbauer RTX unit was apparently assembled in Austria, Rosenbauer USA is still trying to get their factory online, last I heard(??)
In today's day and age when departments hold onto equipment for 10-15 years ...I would like to see the service life of the battery. What's the cost of replacement and the used market for such a rig is going to be very tight,... smaller departments look to save by buying previously owned....not this,,,to much unknown
Exactly all a money making scam for the investors the 1% and continue the push of their agendas...and profit..the batteries are more toxic than anything else what are they going to do with them..b.s.
Yes, I think it is a concern you must give some thought. But, if a department (or city for that matter) wants to invest in "future" technology and is capable of spending a huge amount on money in the rig. I think it's fair to say a new battery in 6 years is no problem.
I give it 6-7 years and it will be sitting at the shops permanently in the down line because its too expensive too maintain and replace parts. There are too many seperate and interconnected parts that go into a fire apparatus, especially ones that pump water. Seen it happen many times with new, innovative fire equipment. Its never is good to be the first ever in the fire service to buy into early tech and be the guinea pig. I think a better investment for a electric fire apparatus would be ladder truck with no pump to start out. It would definitely take alot of juice to raise and lower, and probably wouldnt be practical for a big city dept, but for a suburb with not many high rises that could use a 50' to 75 ' rig might be more doable..
@@grandtheftautotune7715 a fire truck with no pump is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of, only in America would you have fire trucks that carry zero water, and I know there are Ariel trucks out there they don’t have any water on them, which makes them pointless.
@@Jimmythefish577 First of, it's aerial, second of, you have fire trucks without water all over the world, not just in US. In fact, these are definitely much less common in US than any other place, e.g. in Europe (CZ) you won't find an apparatus with a ladder AND a water pump, because every time this truck is dispatched, at least one pumper is dispatched simultaneously. Fire trucks with both aerial and water pump are best solution for small, rural FD's where they don't have such quick response from other units in the area.
@@Jimmythefish577 There a lot of trucks that don't have pumps or water. All FDNY aerials and towers and rescues don't have either a pump or carry water. They are the largest fire department in the USA, second largest in the world behind Tokyo.
@@Jimmythefish577 Even in Germany, for example, not every fire truck has a pump or a water tank. They are much more a toolbox that owns certain means, tools. But can not own all, because weight, height and length is decisive. Special situations also need special vehicles. The fire department does not only take care of fire, but also of trapped persons inside Vehicles. The range of tasks is huge. So there to much tools for 1 fire truck. There are: - GW L a logistic vehicle that resembles a truck with tail lift - MTW a vehicle only to transport persons - DLK a turntable ladder to get easier, faster and higher (ladder Truck) - WLF an interchangeable loader which can take up different containers, this vary extremely. For ABC operations, sandbags, tank, special extinguishing agents. - RW A vehicle which is completely designed for technical assistance. And many more
Don’t get me wrong, if my house is on fire, it is the fire fighters I want to see. The trucks are an after thought as long as the thing pumps water and the ladders can be extended as needed. This equipment is great for the environment, but the actual fire fighters and their tactics are what’s MOST important at my burning house.
Mr. Babb, as a professional FF, I hear what you're saying and appreciate the comments. But FF's are only as good as their equipment. The equipment IS just as important as the FF's themselves, so I'm hopeful that Rosenbauer has nailed it with these electric trucks.
@Steven Kelley dumb reply, how exactly does an inanimate object put a fire out? Saying the equipment and apparatus put the four out is the dumbest thing I’ve read in a while.
Would love to see a vid of it in action at a working fire or hear from the crews involved in its everyday use before I commit to making any positive or negative comments
@@russellnelson315 ahhhhh .....I see you mean the new pump and roll system , operating without the pump , therefore saving the battery life and ultimately extending the time it can stay on fireground operations 🤣🤣🤣🤣
In a day of more city congestion, smaller road access and confined movement they buy a Red Elephant that's way to big and sloppy, This will be the same as the Van Pelts they bought in 1970. Just as they quicky found they were to small and under powered these will be the Elephants in the dog house. How long does it take to fully charge from a very low battery?? Just stay with the standard engines
it was tested in the arctics of northern Europe, Sweden and Norway. In Norway the capital city FD decided to replace the country's busiest fire apparatus with this one as well
@@Scoobawoo was more than satisfying for departments up in Norway, also way beyond the arctic circle. Btw: not only fire departments go electric there. You can drive electric cars, vans etc also in the coldest areas of the country; There are superchargers all the way up to the North Cape
1.5 million with a driving range of 100 kilometers or 90 minutes operating time. It is not 100% electric it has a small backup diesel powered generator to back up when the batteries crap out. They don't talk about the carbon footprint of the batteries or weight or lifespan or replacement cost and call it 100% electric when it is a hybrid. Wow it is quiet, it has a booster reel and it can pump while it drives all capabilities that can be speced in to any vehicle. Not a believer just yet.
Wow, Chief doesn’t even know her own rig. She said 4-5 times it’s an “All Electric vehicle”., and then doubled down and said there is no Diesel engine on it. Obviously she was unaware that there is a 6 cylinder diesel BMW motor in between the two hose bed shoots off the rear.
@@frstrspndr1478 saying it doesn't have a diesel engine when in fact it does have a deisel engine. What do you think a generator is? Its a deisel engine used to provide power. Power which is used to power a battery bank.
As a professional FF myself, I do question what will be used in the future to drive water pumps at multiple alarm fires. My guess is, fire trucks will be equipped with trolley poles (like Vancouver BC Canada transit buses), and be able to connect to the grid for unlimited electric power.
It has a diesel motor to charge the batteries on scene when they run low and charge it for if I’m not mistaken an additional 4-6 hrs of battery life if I remember correctly from the convention video when it was unveiled
I wish them luck but it was tested in Berlin for 1year and people said it’s good to go. Lmao Cuz Berlin and LA are the same. Same roads. People. Structures. Weather.
And now? What are you trying to tell us? Rosenbauer sells thousands of Trucks in America, Asia and America a year (unlike Pierce, which is a lame American player) and you blame them for that?
@@RoadsFranconia You're absolutely right I would. Fire & Rescue isn't a game. Lives are literally on the line. There is no place for equipment to fail on a level such as that!
@@RoadsFranconia Oh absolutely not, some of them have had to be returned within the first year of service. But I've rarely heard of one quite literally bursting it's own Water Tank..!
Is it me or does it look like something you'd see in Japan of China? Looks great though. Be interested to see what the lighting looks like at night though
@@derbalou_ It's not German. It's Austrian. That's important. Austrians are much nicer people, also Arnold Schwarzenegger and Christoph Waltz are both Austrian btw. :)
I know several departments that have Rosenbauer apparatus and they are always having problems with them. They call them “Rosen-Broken” because they are off line most of the time getting fixed. LOL. Most feel that the Rosenbauer’s are on the lower end of quality. In my town, the Rosenbauer ladder truck is in the shop getting repaired more than being in service. It’s a real piece of junk and the town mechanics can’t stand working on the thing. Will be interesting to see status updates on its performance as time moves on. Maybe Rosenbauer turned the corner on quality.
thing is: the departments you know of have probably apparatus made by Rosenbauer America? They're known for their reliability issues ... but this apparatus was built at the Rosenbauer HQ in Austria, thish is known for its quality, by far not the lower end of quality. Can't compare American Rosenbauer apparatus with Rosenbauer apparatus from any other plant around the globe
So if the batteries over heat and burst into flames while parked inside the house. Is there protection for the house. I've seen many videos were vehicles just burst into flames, cars buses and semis.
I’ve been getting tours at The Wyoming, MN Rosenbauer industrial area. My mom worked there for about 4-5 years as an electrician for all their trucks and tender chassis. She worked in three different building including, Building 1, which was an apparatus manufacturing shop. Building 3, which is where the built their airport Foam heavy response units and the Panther. Building 6, which is another Manufacturing shop where they build most of their Tender chassis engines and Special Operation Command units going to Saudi Arabia. I can tell ya, this is a very unique company with very good training and good skills to meet the requirements of modern firefighting technology. Their very unique apparatus including the Panther, king Cobra, CFT (Concept Fire Truck), and many more variants and futuristic techniques. I have got to see the very first Rosenbauer Fully Electric Placed apparatus to leave its doors. This one was going to Europe Germany. I have not seen the one for LACFD, due to not having any more part or family connection to the Industrial site in Wyoming, MN. I have a lot of pictures of very many pieces of apparatus equipment. Including one’s going to Saudi Arabia, St. Paul Minnesota, Canada, Australia, Colorado, California, Texas, and others. If you want to see any apparatus, Email me at jadendemarre@icloud.com.
The first one was tested in Berlin. Right now RB got it back to Austria for al full check-up as the BFD ended the little over a year tryout last month. Detailed reports are expected in June but overall the engine did a solid job. It was dispatched to nearly 1600 calls in the inner city area, driving almost 9000 miles without any breakdowns and ten uses of the range extender. Most of the firefighters seem to be convinced of the concept. Our capital is seeking to purchase such vehicles in the future, but the higher costs might be a topic. Though, e-engines are mainly suitable for urban areas with short routes and nearby recharging options. This might affect the number of orders resulting in higher prizes for every unit. Will be interesting to see if the technique could be an option US fire departments as your traditional trucks are bigger and fuel prizes are lower (atm a gallon of diesel is close to eight dollars in Berlin).
How long does a backup motor last and dove it have its own battery? Can you add a front unit to supply/ pull a bumper line with these trucks? What is the GPM on the electric pump?
-- apparently, this engine had a major tank or pump failure a day or two ago -- not sure about the details not a good start for this type of vehicle if you want to have more of them it will need to prove itself thru at least a year before anything good could be said about it ---
What isn’t mentioned is the diesel motor that pumps the water out because without it, those batteries would be zapped dry WAY before the tank is emptied.
That's not true the truck can be used for ~1,5 to 2 hours pumping and/or driving after which the Diesel generator kicks in and extends the working time another 4 to 6 hours after which it needs to be refueled. The Berlin Fire Department and others use it for about a year now I think and after half a year they made 400 missions with it and the Diesel generator came on once on the way home so it really seems to be working.
@@florianix8272 That’s because their buildings aren’t made out of synthetic material, so when they arrive on scene, the house isn’t engulfed and is easy to put out. Another thing about this truck that’s crap is, there are no hoses ready to be pulled off the truck to start fighting the fire. They have 4 small stacks of one and three quarters stacked up with no nozzle attached and the hose hanging off the back is five inches which is used for hooking up to hydrants for water. They might as well just make it into a Rescue or Tanker since that’s the only use this thing can do. If Rosenbauer wants to profit in the American Fire Engine market, they need to make a better truck.
@@justinstorms5087 /// Gee, does it take you an hour to screw the coupling to the outlet? And screw on a nozzle? They could replumb it if it was a problem.
Man, the AMOUNT of money that rig Is gonna need will be so damn expensive. I think we need to stick with traditional rigs for an extra 20-30 years. We're not ready for something like this.
You’d probably have been the guy that wanted to stick with horses for another 20-30 years when ICE rigs started showing up, just because you ‘weren’t ready for this’……
@@rebelliousfew that kind of apparatus was tested at the busiest stations in the German capital for 13 months and had less downtime than comparable modern diesel powered apparatus. Sure it takes some money ... but as usual, emergency services are already behind the game of becoming electric, while all others did find their way already
Some body have to study why Electronic vehicles frequently caught fire in India? If this types of fire engine brought in India it's fear they can't caught fire?
Firstly, chief misspoke as this engine as a diesel generator to buff up the batteries....and secondly, its not gonna stay. notice how it doesnt have california plates yet?
Pierce released the Volterra Electric Fire Engine over a year ago. It actually looks like a fire engine. It is in Madison, Wisconsin. Look it up. Those trucks are amazing.
This truck, however, does everything on electricity (for 2 hours, until the battery depletes to 60%.) The Pierce Volterra is beautiful (it still looks like an American fire engine) but it's pump runs on the diesel engine, not electricity.
I don’t think the Chief knows what “fully electric “ “100% electric “ . It’s certainly a cool, well designed apparatus, but at a major incident it’s useless without the Diesel engine. She’s blowing a lot of smoke herself.
I don’t really know anything about fire apparatus. Will this unit pump at the same pressure or GPM as a conventional unit? I’m not trying to bash the technology, this truck is probably perfect for most routine jobs but I get a little suspicious when people aren’t being completely honest.
@@Sonic-sh2vh rosenbauer is a brand well known across the globe so they know what they are doing....and there is backup generator powered by diesel fuel to keep the thing going.....this unit will pump at the same pressure and capacity as a conventional unit depending on pump type....rosenbauer is able to install pump with capacity of 13000 liters per minute at 7bar (3500 GPM at 100 psi).
@@maladhoceb1105 That is how you lok into it. The diesel engine is used to put power into the batteries and the batteries drive the vehicle. So in a way the diesel engine is used to drive. The concept of an electric fire engine will be the future however. 10 years from now it will be hard to buy one that is not electric.
@@marcopstal9584 I hope that this one will be the first to show that the whole concept of emergency vehicles powered by electricity is not applicable. When it won't have the support provided by other units, bc it's just to unreliable to work on it's own when compared to diesel powered trucks.
@@maladhoceb1105 They have been conducting tests for more then a year in some European city's. The result is that in 90 tot 95% of calls the battery power was sufficiënt. Meanwhile worldwide efforts in making better and stronger batteries are being done. I am not a real fan todau but I am pretty shure that we will have to move in that direction if we want to or not.
@@marcopstal9584 the diesel is only required as backup; Apart from that, it can run all day, day after day only on battery power. Drive to the call, operate the pump, lights etc, head back to the station, respond to the next call etc; The diesel is only a disaster proof backup and for the rare but possible long lasting incidents It doesn't need the diesel to power the battery to drive the truck in normal circumstances
I've noticed no one is talking about the price of the PC electric rig compared to a compatible Pierce or KME diesel pumper. $$$$+++%%%++. Remember, We the Taxpayers ultimately pay for these assets.
Exactly + the batteries are more toxic than anything in this planet what are they going to do with them and who is going to pay for all this b.s.? Me the working class
Someone tell the chief she missed the memo about booster lines and front turrets . They have been on apparatus your years . You heave to order one for the apparatus when talking to the salesman .
What operates the pumps? If it's an "Engine" it should have a tank to hold water and pump to deliver from both the tank and a hydrant. Even it's got a backup diesel generator how will it function in a structure fire and in a multi-alarm situation? Think this apparatus needs more testing and research. You don't want the apparatus to die while fighting a fire. Not sold on electric yet because of an antiquated power supply grid, increasing cost of electricity, and extreme cost to purchase.
Eric//// It has a 500 gal tank. The pump impeller no doubt is run by an electric motor. Has an onboard diesel generator. Just keep adding diesel to the generator engine for prolonged operation.
"needs more testing and research" take a guess while it is currently tested at the departments in Amsterdam and Dubai and finished its 13 month test period at some of the busiest stations in the German capital of Berlin already. It was way above the expectations of the department
I already see a problem getting through traffic because the emergency lights are weak and dim! And at a 90 minute run time with a full battery charge doesn't see worth it 😒
@EnjoyFirefighting - International Emergency Response Videos I already see your bias is showing I guess we have to take your statement with a grain of salt especially since it seems you have a dog in the fight 🤔😮💨
@@invisibleone8344 personally I don't like electric vehicles at all, but fact is this kind of apparatus did better than the Berlin FD expected it to be; Was running every single call it had to do, was running all electric to I think it was 98%
FALSE. It is not the First Electric Fire Engine in the US. Pierce has had one in active service for over a year, and it looks like a FIRE ENGINE and NOT a City Bus.
It's just so funny how most Americans seem to think that their country sets the standard for how things should look. In almost all other parts of the world fire engines look like this Rosenbauer one and that's for a reason. The Rosenbauer design just is more practical.
Cool engine, badass looks beautiful but i rather keep my type 3 the water tender and patrol. at my station in central cali but thats the future im not against it
😂 If that thing pulled into my station I’d transfer..Well then again it wouldn’t because we’re not Los Angeles or California 😂 we know what a real Engine is and that’s a KME
Is it just me or does the low ground clearance concern anyone else? If there's a hump at the top of a downhill driveway...this is getting stuck. I've seen long wheelbase limos do it more times than I'd like to admit. I guess in Hollywood it'll do okay, but it's usefulness for more rural departments seems limited. I'm guessing the batteries play a role in the low clearance. She's a pavement princess for sure.
Actually...Madison, WI has had an electric fire engine from Pierce already in service and has been in service for over a year. The one in Madison looks like a regular fire engine and not this Euro-trash look. And it has been to actual fire calls and doing the job for over a year at one of Madison's busiest fire stations.
Love how she says "Fully Electric", thats really funny, because she is FALSE. The truck has a small diesel engine to recharge the batteries when it drops to 20%.
This is not for the US! Use equipment designed and made in N/A Also we need to be buying support equipment before we buy electric trucks. But if you must why not use Pierce with a long commitment to providing apparatus to the department.
This is just a "look at me" publicity stunt. Real fire trucks don't have electric batteries. What happens when someone dies because the pump runs out of juice?
So if ‘real’ fire trucks don’t have electric batteries, what do they use to generate the power to turn the starter motor that gets the engine started? Batteries…..
We tested an electric fire truck in Berlin, Germany since nearly 2 years and its great. No problems with to low energy. There is an diesel engine on board, if there is a long time operation.
For cities its really good.
Remarkably many people here prefer to live in the good old days! Just no change! So you do not remain the No. 1!
Update: The truck suffered a tank ruptured before its even getting the first call.
actually it does have a diesel l in it for when its on calls and it kicks in when the battery gets low
How long does it take to charge though lol?
@@BYOB561 From 0% to 100% 30 minutes but the diesel generator already kicks in at 20% so it won't even get that low.
Check Madison, Wisconsin's FD unit, it's made mostly by Pierce Manufacturing in Wisconsin. It has been in service for about a year and has been on working fires!
It's full Pierce
@@NORB07 I agree but the reason I phrased it that way is because part of the DC technology is a collaboration with a company in the UK. Just clarifying as the"LAFD" Rosenbauer RTX unit was apparently assembled in Austria, Rosenbauer USA is still trying to get their factory online, last I heard(??)
Interesting LAFD didn't go with it considering they have a contract with pierce.
@@bencunningham6298 THEY HAVE TO LOOK COOL! Pierce's rig "doesn't look futuristic enough!!
@@bencunningham6298 Pierce approached them first but they declined.
In today's day and age when departments hold onto equipment for 10-15 years ...I would like to see the service life of the battery. What's the cost of replacement and the used market for such a rig is going to be very tight,... smaller departments look to save by buying previously owned....not this,,,to much unknown
Exactly all a money making scam for the investors the 1% and continue the push of their agendas...and profit..the batteries are more toxic than anything else what are they going to do with them..b.s.
That's how things go buddy, someone takes the risk if it was worth it then others follow, someone has to take the first step into the unknown
Like the vaccine..huh? You need ducks in line so the they can make billions..on people's health..good old fashion Business..dirty real dirty..and evil
They were making electric vehicles 130 years ago buddy. Just because YOU don't know, that doesn't make it "unknown".
Yes, I think it is a concern you must give some thought. But, if a department (or city for that matter) wants to invest in "future" technology and is capable of spending a huge amount on money in the rig. I think it's fair to say a new battery in 6 years is no problem.
Going to be interesting to see if it can hold up to the big city abuse.
I give it 6-7 years and it will be sitting at the shops permanently in the down line because its too expensive too maintain and replace parts. There are too many seperate and interconnected parts that go into a fire apparatus, especially ones that pump water. Seen it happen many times with new, innovative fire equipment. Its never is good to be the first ever in the fire service to buy into early tech and be the guinea pig. I think a better investment for a electric fire apparatus would be ladder truck with no pump to start out. It would definitely take alot of juice to raise and lower, and probably wouldnt be practical for a big city dept, but for a suburb with not many high rises that could use a 50' to 75 ' rig might be more doable..
@@grandtheftautotune7715 a fire truck with no pump is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of, only in America would you have fire trucks that carry zero water, and I know there are Ariel trucks out there they don’t have any water on them, which makes them pointless.
@@Jimmythefish577 First of, it's aerial, second of, you have fire trucks without water all over the world, not just in US. In fact, these are definitely much less common in US than any other place, e.g. in Europe (CZ) you won't find an apparatus with a ladder AND a water pump, because every time this truck is dispatched, at least one pumper is dispatched simultaneously. Fire trucks with both aerial and water pump are best solution for small, rural FD's where they don't have such quick response from other units in the area.
@@Jimmythefish577 There a lot of trucks that don't have pumps or water. All FDNY aerials and towers and rescues don't have either a pump or carry water. They are the largest fire department in the USA, second largest in the world behind Tokyo.
@@Jimmythefish577 Even in Germany, for example, not every fire truck has a pump or a water tank. They are much more a toolbox that owns certain means, tools. But can not own all, because weight, height and length is decisive.
Special situations also need special vehicles. The fire department does not only take care of fire, but also of trapped persons inside Vehicles. The range of tasks is huge. So there to much tools for 1 fire truck.
There are:
- GW L a logistic vehicle that resembles a truck with tail lift
- MTW a vehicle only to transport persons
- DLK a turntable ladder to get easier, faster and higher (ladder Truck)
- WLF an interchangeable loader which can take up different containers, this vary extremely. For ABC operations, sandbags, tank, special extinguishing agents.
- RW A vehicle which is completely designed for technical assistance.
And many more
Don’t get me wrong, if my house is on fire, it is the fire fighters I want to see. The trucks are an after thought as long as the thing pumps water and the ladders can be extended as needed. This equipment is great for the environment, but the actual fire fighters and their tactics are what’s MOST important at my burning house.
Mr. Babb, as a professional FF, I hear what you're saying and appreciate the comments. But FF's are only as good as their equipment. The equipment IS just as important as the FF's themselves, so I'm hopeful that Rosenbauer has nailed it with these electric trucks.
@Steven Kelley dumb reply, how exactly does an inanimate object put a fire out? Saying the equipment and apparatus put the four out is the dumbest thing I’ve read in a while.
@@46fd04 /// I saw a comment that users of this equipment call it "Rosen-broken"
I like to see how long before the electrical system shorts out and the battery does a melt down and catches on fire.
The truck's tank has already ruptured lol. 😂
Would love to see a vid of it in action at a working fire or hear from the crews involved in its everyday use before I commit to making any positive or negative comments
the water tank ruptured lmfao
It’s sure did!
@@russellnelson315 ahhhhh .....I see you mean the new pump and roll system , operating without the pump , therefore saving the battery life and ultimately extending the time it can stay on fireground operations 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@stacy-qm4qq ////How can you pump without the pump? It can pump and roll because the pump is not driven by the vehicle's motor.
@@k0smon was meant as a sarcastic comment as if it were on the road when the tank ruptured 😆 🤣
In a day of more city congestion, smaller road access and confined movement they buy a Red Elephant that's way to big and sloppy, This will be the same as the Van Pelts they bought in 1970. Just as they quicky found they were to small and under powered these will be the Elephants in the dog house. How long does it take to fully charge from a very low battery?? Just stay with the standard engines
I wonder what the battery run time would be in Minnesota when we potentially fight a fire at -20 degrees f out side for several hours.
Tests are being conducted in northern europe
I been saying this. Electric doesnt do good in cold climates
it was tested in the arctics of northern Europe, Sweden and Norway. In Norway the capital city FD decided to replace the country's busiest fire apparatus with this one as well
@@Scoobawoo was more than satisfying for departments up in Norway, also way beyond the arctic circle.
Btw: not only fire departments go electric there. You can drive electric cars, vans etc also in the coldest areas of the country; There are superchargers all the way up to the North Cape
@@EnjoyFirefighting /// Do they heat the battery pack?
1.5 million with a driving range of 100 kilometers or 90 minutes operating time.
It is not 100% electric it has a small backup diesel powered generator to back up when the batteries crap out. They don't talk about the carbon footprint of the batteries or weight or lifespan or replacement cost and call it 100% electric when it is a hybrid.
Wow it is quiet, it has a booster reel and it can pump while it drives all capabilities that can be speced in to any vehicle.
Not a believer just yet.
Wow, Chief doesn’t even know her own rig. She said 4-5 times it’s an “All Electric vehicle”., and then doubled down and said there is no Diesel engine on it. Obviously she was unaware that there is a 6 cylinder diesel BMW motor in between the two hose bed shoots off the rear.
It's a generator, only used to make sure the truck doesn't die if it's battery runs out. Otherwise, it's totally electric, and she says that.
She mentioned it at @0:50 but misspoke, saying, "We have one little small engine that is but that's just in case we run out of our battery..."
@@frstrspndr1478 saying it doesn't have a diesel engine when in fact it does have a deisel engine. What do you think a generator is? Its a deisel engine used to provide power. Power which is used to power a battery bank.
@@frstrspndr1478 not to mention the pumps run off that generator as well. If it didn't those batteries would run dry in minutes.
As a professional FF myself, I do question what will be used in the future to drive water pumps at multiple alarm fires. My guess is, fire trucks will be equipped with trolley poles (like Vancouver BC Canada transit buses), and be able to connect to the grid for unlimited electric power.
I swear to god this looks like something out of Europe’s fire dept
Throwing tradition out the window
It has a diesel motor to charge the batteries on scene when they run low and charge it for if I’m not mistaken an additional 4-6 hrs of battery life if I remember correctly from the convention video when it was unveiled
I wish them luck but it was tested in Berlin for 1year and people said it’s good to go. Lmao
Cuz Berlin and LA are the same. Same roads. People. Structures. Weather.
Isn't this the same Fire Truck that LITERALLY burst at the seams before it had even attended it's first call?
And now? What are you trying to tell us? Rosenbauer sells thousands of Trucks in America, Asia and America a year (unlike Pierce, which is a lame American player) and you blame them for that?
@@RoadsFranconia You're absolutely right I would. Fire & Rescue isn't a game. Lives are literally on the line. There is no place for equipment to fail on a level such as that!
@@billesh55 Lol... oh yes, no Pierce ever failed... do you trying to tell that tale?
@@RoadsFranconia Oh absolutely not, some of them have had to be returned within the first year of service. But I've rarely heard of one quite literally bursting it's own Water Tank..!
It is fixed. Hopefully the crew has now been taught the basics, such as not filling a tank directly from a hydrant...
Wow this is actually in service
This rig would make a good airport rig or at least a USAR rig because it actually has a walk in.
Is it me or does it look like something you'd see in Japan of China? Looks great though. Be interested to see what the lighting looks like at night though
Agreed, the lighting seemed lacking! The more lighting the better in LA…
Trust me, Japanese trucks are a LOT smaller.
It's a german build, that is lore common in germany.
The fire Departement of the german capital Berlin has the same one ^^
@@derbalou_ It's not German. It's Austrian. That's important. Austrians are much nicer people, also Arnold Schwarzenegger and Christoph Waltz are both Austrian btw. :)
@@florianix8272 true. My Bad, But the style is common in german speaking countries
I know several departments that have Rosenbauer apparatus and they are always having problems with them. They call them “Rosen-Broken” because they are off line most of the time getting fixed. LOL. Most feel that the Rosenbauer’s are on the lower end of quality. In my town, the Rosenbauer ladder truck is in the shop getting repaired more than being in service. It’s a real piece of junk and the town mechanics can’t stand working on the thing. Will be interesting to see status updates on its performance as time moves on. Maybe Rosenbauer turned the corner on quality.
thing is: the departments you know of have probably apparatus made by Rosenbauer America? They're known for their reliability issues ... but this apparatus was built at the Rosenbauer HQ in Austria, thish is known for its quality, by far not the lower end of quality. Can't compare American Rosenbauer apparatus with Rosenbauer apparatus from any other plant around the globe
So if the batteries over heat and burst into flames while parked inside the house. Is there protection for the house. I've seen many videos were vehicles just burst into flames, cars buses and semis.
same happens to diesel powered fire apparatus
I’ve been getting tours at The Wyoming, MN Rosenbauer industrial area. My mom worked there for about 4-5 years as an electrician for all their trucks and tender chassis. She worked in three different building including, Building 1, which was an apparatus manufacturing shop. Building 3, which is where the built their airport Foam heavy response units and the Panther. Building 6, which is another Manufacturing shop where they build most of their Tender chassis engines and Special Operation Command units going to Saudi Arabia. I can tell ya, this is a very unique company with very good training and good skills to meet the requirements of modern firefighting technology. Their very unique apparatus including the Panther, king Cobra, CFT (Concept Fire Truck), and many more variants and futuristic techniques. I have got to see the very first Rosenbauer Fully Electric Placed apparatus to leave its doors. This one was going to Europe Germany. I have not seen the one for LACFD, due to not having any more part or family connection to the Industrial site in Wyoming, MN. I have a lot of pictures of very many pieces of apparatus equipment. Including one’s going to Saudi Arabia, St. Paul Minnesota, Canada, Australia, Colorado, California, Texas, and others. If you want to see any apparatus, Email me at jadendemarre@icloud.com.
That’s very neat! Thank you for letting us know!
The first one was tested in Berlin. Right now RB got it back to Austria for al full check-up as the BFD ended the little over a year tryout last month. Detailed reports are expected in June but overall the engine did a solid job. It was dispatched to nearly 1600 calls in the inner city area, driving almost 9000 miles without any breakdowns and ten uses of the range extender. Most of the firefighters seem to be convinced of the concept. Our capital is seeking to purchase such vehicles in the future, but the higher costs might be a topic.
Though, e-engines are mainly suitable for urban areas with short routes and nearby recharging options. This might affect the number of orders resulting in higher prizes for every unit. Will be interesting to see if the technique could be an option US fire departments as your traditional trucks are bigger and fuel prizes are lower (atm a gallon of diesel is close to eight dollars in Berlin).
How long does a backup motor last and dove it have its own battery? Can you add a front unit to supply/ pull a bumper line with these trucks? What is the GPM on the electric pump?
I heard 6 hours on the diesel generator, 1500GPM on the pump.
As of today the water tank had a huge failure . Don't know specifics but was posted on Facebook
We have 3 trucks that are diesel power. That can pump and roll. We are small Volunteer Fire Department.
1238/// Please explain how your trucks are set up.
Now show the video of the leaks in the water tank lol.
-- apparently, this engine had a major tank or pump failure a day or two ago --
not sure about the details
not a good start for this type of vehicle if you want to have more of them
it will need to prove itself thru at least a year before anything good could be said about it
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What isn’t mentioned is the diesel motor that pumps the water out because without it, those batteries would be zapped dry WAY before the tank is emptied.
That's not true the truck can be used for ~1,5 to 2 hours pumping and/or driving after which the Diesel generator kicks in and extends the working time another 4 to 6 hours after which it needs to be refueled. The Berlin Fire Department and others use it for about a year now I think and after half a year they made 400 missions with it and the Diesel generator came on once on the way home so it really seems to be working.
thats not true, you are lyiing
@@florianix8272 That’s because their buildings aren’t made out of synthetic material, so when they arrive on scene, the house isn’t engulfed and is easy to put out. Another thing about this truck that’s crap is, there are no hoses ready to be pulled off the truck to start fighting the fire. They have 4 small stacks of one and three quarters stacked up with no nozzle attached and the hose hanging off the back is five inches which is used for hooking up to hydrants for water. They might as well just make it into a Rescue or Tanker since that’s the only use this thing can do. If Rosenbauer wants to profit in the American Fire Engine market, they need to make a better truck.
JS/// I think you have a misconception of how much energy it takes to operate a pump.
@@justinstorms5087 /// Gee, does it take you an hour to screw the coupling to the outlet? And screw on a nozzle? They could replumb it if it was a problem.
Man, the AMOUNT of money that rig Is gonna need will be so damn expensive. I think we need to stick with traditional rigs for an extra 20-30 years. We're not ready for something like this.
You’d probably have been the guy that wanted to stick with horses for another 20-30 years when ICE rigs started showing up, just because you ‘weren’t ready for this’……
@@Jimmythefish577 I can't tell If that's an Insult or what. You do understand the cost of maintaining and operating a vehicle like that, right?
@@rebelliousfew we need to start somewhere. not to mention the immense costs of our "regular" trucks
@@rebelliousfew that kind of apparatus was tested at the busiest stations in the German capital for 13 months and had less downtime than comparable modern diesel powered apparatus. Sure it takes some money ... but as usual, emergency services are already behind the game of becoming electric, while all others did find their way already
Phenomenal news!!
How long can she run the pump?
@LK Media: Its Rosenbauer, not Rosen Bauer (They don't build roses ... :-) )
Aaah yes, This is the pump that has just split its tank.
Some body have to study why Electronic vehicles frequently caught fire in India? If this types of fire engine brought in India it's fear they can't caught fire?
Totally wrong seeing a Rosenbauer appliance in the US! Doesn't look big enough lol!
well the LAFD obviously thought it would suit their needs
Great. Would happen to have a 1972 Seagrave 1250 GPM in stock ? Yeah, no AC or power windows……
rip city boys
Gonna be spending a lot of time in Fleet services
Looks like a party bus
when will it actually go into service?
Descriptions are very informative... ;-)
Firstly, chief misspoke as this engine as a diesel generator to buff up the batteries....and secondly, its not gonna stay. notice how it doesnt have california plates yet?
Not in service yet, so why have plates already? The test rig in Berlin did its first calls with an Austrian plate.
@@coswiger and an Austrian siren as well
@@jakobs-gx8vv //// Austrian police siren my favorite.
Why is the chief driving it?
Pierce released the Volterra Electric Fire Engine over a year ago. It actually looks like a fire engine. It is in Madison, Wisconsin. Look it up. Those trucks are amazing.
It's the City of Madison, WI.
@@coswiger Thank you for correcting that.
This truck, however, does everything on electricity (for 2 hours, until the battery depletes to 60%.) The Pierce Volterra is beautiful (it still looks like an American fire engine) but it's pump runs on the diesel engine, not electricity.
Seriously, why are so many Americans against a different design?
@@0zzyninja Because many Americans are often very deep into traditions. Especially in the fire service.
Not enough lights for daytime response
PA//// If it has a decent siren, the public will notice it as a fire truck.
Is it me, or is it telling it didn't squirt 1 oz. of water?
who would put the fire out if the battery exploded
I don’t think the Chief knows what “fully electric “ “100% electric “ . It’s certainly a cool, well designed apparatus, but at a major incident it’s useless without the Diesel engine. She’s blowing a lot of smoke herself.
I don’t really know anything about fire apparatus. Will this unit pump at the same pressure or GPM as a conventional unit? I’m not trying to bash the technology, this truck is probably perfect for most routine jobs but I get a little suspicious when people aren’t being completely honest.
@@Sonic-sh2vh rosenbauer is a brand well known across the globe so they know what they are doing....and there is backup generator powered by diesel fuel to keep the thing going.....this unit will pump at the same pressure and capacity as a conventional unit depending on pump type....rosenbauer is able to install pump with capacity of 13000 liters per minute at 7bar (3500 GPM at 100 psi).
@@Sonic-sh2vh /// Pump sizes vary. I am sure they designed the pump motor to do the job.
One in the fleet yippie doing your for green energy
Dispatcher to caller: I understand your house is on fire but our electric fire trucks are on the charger!!!!
Jou just cannot call something 100% electric if there is a backup diesel engine inside.
Yes you can, since it's not used for propulsion of the vehicle in any time. (Let alone that the concept of an Electric fire engine is bullshit.)
@@maladhoceb1105 That is how you lok into it. The diesel engine is used to put power into the batteries and the batteries drive the vehicle. So in a way the diesel engine is used to drive. The concept of an electric fire engine will be the future however. 10 years from now it will be hard to buy one that is not electric.
@@marcopstal9584 I hope that this one will be the first to show that the whole concept of emergency vehicles powered by electricity is not applicable. When it won't have the support provided by other units, bc it's just to unreliable to work on it's own when compared to diesel powered trucks.
@@maladhoceb1105 They have been conducting tests for more then a year in some European city's. The result is that in 90 tot 95% of calls the battery power was sufficiënt. Meanwhile worldwide efforts in making better and stronger batteries are being done. I am not a real fan todau but I am pretty shure that we will have to move in that direction if we want to or not.
@@marcopstal9584 the diesel is only required as backup; Apart from that, it can run all day, day after day only on battery power. Drive to the call, operate the pump, lights etc, head back to the station, respond to the next call etc; The diesel is only a disaster proof backup and for the rare but possible long lasting incidents
It doesn't need the diesel to power the battery to drive the truck in normal circumstances
Where the awesome roaring sound of the diesel… oh wait.
Only in Commifornia
I've noticed no one is talking about the price of the PC electric rig compared to a compatible Pierce or KME diesel pumper. $$$$+++%%%++. Remember, We the Taxpayers ultimately pay for these assets.
1.5 million electric. 1.3 million diesel. But no talk about battery life, recharge cycles, efficiency deterioration or replacement cost.
Exactly + the batteries are more toxic than anything in this planet what are they going to do with them and who is going to pay for all this b.s.? Me the working class
LAFD Really can waste money.
LA in general is the KING of money waste
Without a doubt, the UGLIEST fire engine I've ever seen..................
Someone tell the chief she missed the memo about booster lines and front turrets . They have been on apparatus your years . You heave to order one for the apparatus when talking to the salesman .
When the batteries explode they won't have to ask for assistance.
I can barely see the lights on. The lighting is awful
What operates the pumps? If it's an "Engine" it should have a tank to hold water and pump to deliver from both the tank and a hydrant. Even it's got a backup diesel generator how will it function in a structure fire and in a multi-alarm situation? Think this apparatus needs more testing and research. You don't want the apparatus to die while fighting a fire. Not sold on electric yet because of an antiquated power supply grid, increasing cost of electricity, and extreme cost to purchase.
Eric//// It has a 500 gal tank. The pump impeller no doubt is run by an electric motor. Has an onboard diesel generator. Just keep adding diesel to the generator engine for prolonged operation.
"needs more testing and research" take a guess while it is currently tested at the departments in Amsterdam and Dubai and finished its 13 month test period at some of the busiest stations in the German capital of Berlin already. It was way above the expectations of the department
I already see a problem getting through traffic because the emergency lights are weak and dim! And at a 90 minute run time with a full battery charge doesn't see worth it 😒
it's more than enough for most incidents ... it was tested at some of the busiest stations in the German capital for 13 months already
@EnjoyFirefighting - International Emergency Response Videos I already see your bias is showing I guess we have to take your statement with a grain of salt especially since it seems you have a dog in the fight 🤔😮💨
@@invisibleone8344 personally I don't like electric vehicles at all, but fact is this kind of apparatus did better than the Berlin FD expected it to be; Was running every single call it had to do, was running all electric to I think it was 98%
She said no other engine on their department has a booster real. I find that hard to believe
Is she talking about a Hardline?
I'm pretty sure I've seen them on a few engines and used at encampment fires.
JM//// It saves a little money not putting in a booster reel. They just go with a "trash" line.
FALSE. It is not the First Electric Fire Engine in the US. Pierce has had one in active service for over a year, and it looks like a FIRE ENGINE and NOT a City Bus.
Why care about the look if it's doing the job?
It's just so funny how most Americans seem to think that their country sets the standard for how things should look. In almost all other parts of the world fire engines look like this Rosenbauer one and that's for a reason. The Rosenbauer design just is more practical.
@@jakobs-gx8vv Definitely not more practical, and who gives a rats ass what the rest of the world does.
Wow nice truck it’s the electric truck
and if it malfunctions then what huh?
what do you do when a diesel powered fire truck has a malfunction?
CC/// You call a tow truck for it like any other apparatus that might break down.
Definitely not enough lights! Here in Ontario, Canada we also use Blue LED'S which are much brighter!
well, that's what the LAFD ordered; Guess what they use on this kind of apparatus over in Europe: blue lights
Excellent. Hopefully the first of many more.
Amazing
We use these Rosenbauer vehicles in Germany too, they are amazing.
wait thats a daf truck? because daf had camera mirror even Mercedes or what it is
Yuck
what happens when the engine fails and can't pump water?
I get what you are saying... but, The exact same thing that happens when any other engine fails.
OR//// That is a regular fire truck. Electric pump engine.
Thing sits too low to the ground
Ride height can be adjusted from 7 inches off the ground, to 19 inches.
Cool engine, badass looks beautiful but i rather keep my type 3 the water tender and patrol. at my station in central cali but thats the future im not against it
It’s a nice gimmick but there’s just too many issues with it for it to catch on
😂 If that thing pulled into my station I’d transfer..Well then again it wouldn’t because we’re not Los Angeles or California 😂 we know what a real Engine is and that’s a KME
The old KME or the new KME ?
@@SECONDIN 93 KME Falcon
Keep Mechanics Employed ?
@@justinwetzel955 Well then, old KME. Didn’t they just close up shop in Lehigh Valley and head down south ?
@@SECONDIN I think so
of course in California 😂😂
beautiful congratulations 🎊 👏
Is it just me or does the low ground clearance concern anyone else? If there's a hump at the top of a downhill driveway...this is getting stuck. I've seen long wheelbase limos do it more times than I'd like to admit. I guess in Hollywood it'll do okay, but it's usefulness for more rural departments seems limited. I'm guessing the batteries play a role in the low clearance. She's a pavement princess for sure.
what you see is the "entry mode" of the air suspension. for street driving it lifts the truck about 100mm up.
you can lift the air ride suspension to a ground clearance of 19.5 inches. I doubt that your roads are THAT bumpy
Berlin Germany hat dasgleiche Auto.
Trying to find the video of the tank rupturing… what a waste of money
All of the 300 Pound volly boys in this comment section are mad as hell over an electric truck
Don’t worry, the PRO’s in NYC laugh at this thing as well 😂😂😂.
Won't last a year. Electrical nightmare.
Apparently, the test truck in Berlin lasted one year and answered 1600 calls, with no breakdowns.
@@46fd04 1600 hundred calls that is nothing for an LAFD Engine co. LAFD runs about 500 thousand calls a year
Exactly and who is going to pay fornthat sht..+ all b.s.for someone to be making lots of $$$$$$$ on theory investments and contracts
@@mtnride4930 500,000 calls a year? So 1369 calls a day or 57 calls an hour? I’m pretty sure you’re making those numbers up buddy.
@@Jimmythefish577 499 thousand calls in 2019 that is for the entire city. 106 stations. Look it up. Sorry buddy
Who is that lucky driver who will be driving the fire truck
AA//// Should be an experience with 4 wheel steering.
Hybrid*
Actually...Madison, WI has had an electric fire engine from Pierce already in service and has been in service for over a year. The one in Madison looks like a regular fire engine and not this Euro-trash look. And it has been to actual fire calls and doing the job for over a year at one of Madison's busiest fire stations.
As an European the look rather reminds me of Asia with their compact units for dense cities.
Hey it’s Chinese trash it’ll fall apart when it gets wet
@@justinwetzel955 Built in USA...
@@coswiger I know 😅 it just looks Chinese..kinda looks like a toy with no power..I wouldn’t trust my life to this giant power wheels
@@coswiger it would suck if you were doing a inside attack and the battery died 😂
looks cool
Love how she says "Fully Electric", thats really funny, because she is FALSE. The truck has a small diesel engine to recharge the batteries when it drops to 20%.
It has a Diesel back up engine in it… she’s lying
I wish the FDNY would do something like this.
lol to bad its tank was ruptured and its now out of service
This is not for the US! Use equipment designed and made in N/A
Also we need to be buying support equipment before we buy electric trucks. But if you must why not use Pierce with a long commitment to providing apparatus to the department.
this was specificly adapted to operations in the US
This is just a "look at me" publicity stunt. Real fire trucks don't have electric batteries. What happens when someone dies because the pump runs out of juice?
So if ‘real’ fire trucks don’t have electric batteries, what do they use to generate the power to turn the starter motor that gets the engine started? Batteries…..
Nope, they've built several.
One operated by FB Amsterdam, see ruclips.net/video/yG3ExFdTCq0/видео.html
it can't run out of juice ... the diesel backup kicks in once the battery is at 20%
3209//// All fire trucks have electric batteries. Unless you want to crank it. The backup generator guarantees it will not "run out of juice".
Made in Europa Österreich
Madison WI engine looks and sounds like america fire truck and is much better than this. This is better off with an ARFF as a support truck.
No thx
This rig is garbage and is already broken! Water tank ruptured damaging multiple pieces of eq
Hey///// it's plastic. An easy fix or replace.
Hopefully the crew has now been taught the basics, such as not filling a tank directly from a hydrant...
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