I hate that 5.11 also clearly gave a fuck ton of these out to Hollywood prop departments for advertising because their proliferation in mid or garbage tier tactical/military shows and movies is ridiculous. I think I first remember seeing one in 13 Hours and then after that it's like every other show or movie that needed an actor wearing a plate carrier, the 5.11 Tac-Tec would rear its ugly head again. If it wasn't a Tac-Tec it was an MOPC, or the garbage airsoft repros of the CIRAS and FSBE AAV-QR. The Four Plate Carriers of the Apocalypse.
@@DraconisMarchVII No, it's a semi-original design from Condor that took inspiration mostly from the LBT 6094 series and predates the MEPC design by well over a decade.
I love ragging on 5.11 products because it's usually all the same problem: way to much fabric. They literally throw everything and the kitchen sink worth of cloth onto every "tactical" product they sell
I would stay away from 5.11 if you want actual duty grade tactical gear. Everything I own from them is basically white under night vision, everything except the molle strips on my gp pouch which only highlights the glow even more
@tomcollins2679 that's good to know, they opened up a shop near me and I checked it out only thing I picked up was a bottle molle pouch. Everything else wasn't good or near the quality of say spiritus for the same price. I go to the field next week I'll definitely check out the bottle pouch its on my assault pack so I've never noticed it
Sometimes I wonder if 5.11 even wants to be a tactical gear company or just an apparel company. Their backpacks have been getting steadily less "tactical" for a while now.
I heard the boogloo boys in Civil War hit 5.11 for those dope ass button downs they love to wear, before immediately walking out of the store and getting shot in the pelvic bowl.
Be a little more specific with "less tactical." I want a functional bag/pack, but I don't really want camo and molle/pals all over. I'll never buy a "military looking" tactical bag ever, but if they cut out the BS, I'll take a look.
same. super comfortable, if you're not autistic you can get the plates to seat perfectly (thats a huge complaint i guess). I run my FCPC mainly but the tactec is always on standby lol. On an unrelated note, I couldnt believe how bad the trex ac1 is...thats the real issue here
I've been running this carrier for about 6 years and I love it. Only thing is it obviously caters to bigger people so I wouldn't recommend it unless you're over 6 ft tall but I love how much real estate it has and the fact that you can run large plates. I've never had a problem getting my plates to fit perfectly and it's been abused heavily and never failed me. I've tried other plate carriers and there are better ones but you'll pay a premium. At the time of it's release I'd argue that this is one of the best at it's price point
I love my tac tec and wear it on duty. No issues at all going on a year strong of heavy use/ abuse and training. Is there better out there of course. But for the price point and flexibility with how you can set it up. You can't beat it just get over it. Everybody's build type is different. And instead of real problems and issues you wanna complain about adjustability 🤦🏼♂️get it setup properly and actually put some use to it and then review😒
I work in security and I bought one of these a couple years ago. Spent $199 on it and was amazed at how bad it was for the money. For like $50 I could’ve ordered a crye JPC. I was stuck with it for about a year until a was able to switch to a $70 condor plate carrier. Which, believe me, was an upgrade.
I have one on me..i face an issue when all my mags are loaded up, its difficult to remove the cummerband because you can barely lift the flap all the way up. Also the shoulder strap adjustment is something you brought out well.
I never understood the hate around them. I've been running this carrier for about 6 years and I love it. Most of the critiques are unfounded and aren't a problem from personal experience. My only critique is it obviously caters to bigger people so I wouldn't recommend it unless you're over 6 ft tall but I love how much real estate it has and the fact that you can run large plates. It's been abused heavily and never failed me. I've tried other plate carriers and there are better ones but you'll usually pay a lot more. At the time of it's release I'd argue that this is one of the best at it's price point. NEVER had a problem with attachments or plates of any kind NEVER experienced discomfort that you wouldn't get from other plate carriers over time NEVER had a failure of any kind Love the features like the elastic cumberbunds, quick detach handle and extended drag handle. (which were exclusive to this plate carrier AT RELEASE.) BTW you CAN adjust the shoulders and you have WAY more room than you suspected. I can obviously tell that you actually haven't put any time or experience behind this plate carrier and it shows
@@dnrfrank lol😂 that's exactly what I'd say if I didn't have experience with the product in question too. Just glad this channel actually acknowledged your comment cuz that means he saw mine and chose not to address it, and that says a lot.
I didn’t acknowledge it because it isn’t anchored in reality but more importantly, I can’t actively comment on every single comment. You are clearly defending your sunk cost. My concerns on this plate carrier are based on extensive time using a variety of platforms.
@@EODFish ohh didn't hesitate to acknowledge that comment I see. Have 6 years of experience with this specific product but it isn't an anchored in reality? You're only points I can get behind is that the plate carriers massive & the space above the back plate is stupid, everything else you said holds absolutely no weight. You didn't even know how to adjust the shoulder straps all the way and you make a lot of wrong assumptions in the video. A lot of what you said was just assumptions because you didn't even have the necessary time in the plate carrier. Yet I'm the one that's not anchored in reality? What a joke!😂
It's crazy that even functioning militaries and paramilitaries use these. The French Foreign Legion issued these at one point, as seen in videos of them doing jungle training wearing these in OD green, and even Wagner's Prighozin routinely wore one.
@@ratinthefoxhole2373 guys still wear chest rigs over slick vests, because it’s easier to take a chest rig on and off to switch loadouts then re-doing a bunch of MOLLE pouches. Reason why placards are so popular now. The TAPs issued by the Army is literally a chest rig meant to be worn over your IOTV/SPCS. It can be adapted as a "placard" bit most guys size it and toss it over the vest
There's nothing wrong with this vest. If it holds your armor and LBE and doesn't fall apart, gear is all personal preference once those two criteria are met. There's better or worse ways of doing things, but everybody has a different body type.
@@xXSgtWolfXx saying that a vest is good to go because it "holds your armor and LBE and doesn't fall apart" is such a low bar compared to what's currently available. Ranger RBAV holds armor and LBE, but would you wanna go to war wearing a 30 year old design under the guise that it fulfils the bare minimum in performance? Or something that's far more comfortable and smartly designed?
@@EODFish I just came out of a USASOC course and one of the individuals I worked with wore a 5.11 Tac Tec for the field portion. The cummerbund failed to adequate support the weight of their 152 Radio and the plates severely sagged in their bags because of the crappy material after multiple days being in the cold, wet, and muddy NC training NTA. The plates in general sat even lower when paired with a ruck because of their flawed Quick-release system. It held up worse than any of the Condor plate carriers I've seen in FTXs. Would not reccomend at all in it's price range.
Bought one of these years ago, still use it but only for carrying weighted plates. I have two 20lb plates in it. Use it for hiking, been trying to figure out what to replace it with once it wears out. People look at me like I'm crazy when wearing it. Not sure if they just can't believe someone would do those things while wearing weights or if it just looks to tactical to them and they think I'm a weirdo preparing for the apocalypse.
I also like to wear my plate carrier and the rest of my gear whenever I go hiking mostly to test out and see if there's anything wrong with my gear or comms, however the faces on the people that I encounter when on my hikes/tests are absolutely hilarious, some people would compliment and most people would stop their car and full on stare at me as if they are going through a military checkpoint, from what I can say most people will definitely look at you weirdly but most of them find it rather 'cool' and not bother you in any bad way so yes, i definitely feel you man. 😂👌
Lmfaoooo Sir… I haven’t watched all of your overview/review videos. But, damn you went HARD on this one! 😂 The subtle sarcasm got me 🤣🤣🤣 Well deserved though! Call it like you see it!
This was my first plate carrier because a friend gave it to me for free. Even though it was free I got rid of it a few months later because it's that bad. The padding on the back of the plate bags makes it somehow less comfortable to wear. A Slickster is a better carrier for less money
This was my first plate carrier. Still have it, seems okay to me as a minimalist build. It’s held up well. But I don’t use it as a “heavy” or full out plate carrier. I have some level 3 plates in it and kinda renegaded it as a “lightweight” pc. Like a chest rig with some armor capacity. I have 4 mags across the front, a dump pouch and IFAK, and it’s pretty minimalistic. Pretty light carrier build. I definitely wouldn’t pay full price. I’m running a Shellback Banshee 3.0, and it’s a lot more conducive to tactical considerations.
I think you can still put a Crye JPC2 cummerbund on it since the setup on the JPC2 cummerbund is just identical to the TacTec with the backend of the cummerbund being molle instead of velcro
One feature I wish my Crye SPC had is a way to hold down the corners of the molle panel. My rifle sling sometimes gets under the corner and peels it open.
Vietnamese here i know and work with factories that make 5.11 plate carrier and packs, in recent year 5.11 has used cheap chinese materials for their bag and accessory lines that is why the fabric and webbing look fake and horrible(becauce they’re). Please stay away from 5.11 packs, shoes, pc. Only things that are good are their clothings.
It's funny because I actually loved this plate carrier. I'm 6 '3 so maybe it's better for taller people. It's super comfortable and the material aged well under rough conditions. The way the breast plate area is shaped I always had plenty of room for my rifle buttstock to press against my shoulder pocket. Only complaint is the admin Velcro patch! If you have any weight in pouches on the torso area it will undo the Velcro and hang that's why I like the admin zipper on the agilite as opposed to Velcro. Other than that awesome plate carrier people just like to hate on them because cross fit people use them aswell.
I had one of these as my first carrier. I loved it, but it was probably the fact I'm quite tall and it fit me without the low/uneven riding issues. Its not the worst carrier ive ever worn, but i feel like its more of a vehicle trunk extra carrier than a main anything. I cant bring myself to hate it, but i wont defend its obvious flaws either.
there are a ton of chinese knock-offs of this carrier all over southeast asia. the quick release thing on the sides were pirated next in no-time. whatevs
Seen a really cool setup on one of these but the shoulders were completely cinched down and it looked like a decent pc. Looks like they just cheaped out on the front flap webbing
Amazing how many gucci gear fanbois show up out of the woodwork to salute a garbage review on a 10 year old piece of kit from a user that didn't even read the manual on how to adjust it properly, simply because it dismisses a 5.11 product. Half the review can be summed up with "Well I don't think that is an accurate dimension" but then you throw a pouch on and it fits perfectly... Not even an attempt made at being objective.
lol i bought one, at 135 bucks I'm not dis pleased but I'm also not an operator nor am i law enforcement just someone who wanted to build a kit and have it for training and working out. very fitting on me but i also started working out a lot more too because its all useless if you cant move a all.
I admit am new to PC's. I'll date myself and say they all seem better than the flak jacket I was issued. To my point, I got a JPC 2.0 and immediately returned it because it seemed like a flimsy piece of junk. Tried a 5.11 and it was way more comfortable and strudy. What am I missing?
How does something like this even get past the design phase, never mind to market? It's like they took as many poor design choices as possible and put them all into one carrier. They didn't even attempt to copy anything good from other carriers. Insane.
@@EODFishI have crye AVS and tactec. Of course, AVS is the best, but tactec is not that bad in my mind. I use it in long range missions with minimalistic set up (level 3 plates, 4 mags, 3 tourniquets, mini dangler and roll med pouch). Shoulder straps were regulated to keep plates the correct way on my body. No problems. Also, I've changed cummerbands to normal one (jpc style with ROC). And changed loop on the front to the normal one. I had different pc, duty armored vests. That's not the worst one. It's ok, even good. But cummerbands and loop are really shitty, that's true
I got one as a hand me down. I put ceramic plates in it. It fits awesome! But I’m a muscular 6’3”. Perfect for my needs since I’m not jumping out of a helicopter in Afghanistan.
My big jssue with 5.11s nylon gear (aside from what you pointed out) is the price tag. Mosf of their stuff costs quite a bit more than the Condor equivalent, with about the same (maybe slightly better) quality. Condor's products are leaps and bounds better than they used to be, so 5.11s cost to quality ratio is abysmal for many of their products. I know it's not the best PC on the market, but I've seen a lot of people absolutely thrash the Condor MOPC, and if i had to spend less than a bill on an overt PC, that's not the worst thing in the world. I went with a Grey Ghost Gear PC since it was reasonably well made and on sale (i was pretty broke at the time). Threw some HSGI should pads on it and it works well for what I need.
I might be the odd one out here but I have a couple mates who used this carrier while deployed in Afg and both seemed to be pretty happy with it. I wore a Warrior Assaults one that I liked much less
I remember when this first came out I think they were one of the few companies that made a pc in gray. Luckily gray caught on with everyone else so I'm glad I didn't have to get one lmao I am mildly annoyed when it shows up in every show and movie
Bro this plate carrier is a cadilac to what I was issused in the Army. Its very comfortable and I have worn with 10x12 plates. Not sure what size plates you require. I have never worn a Crye but I have seen one and the shoulder pads look horrible and they no padding. I like to see you review some other carriers. The only one I think might be legit is the Mayflower.
If you like it that's all that matters these guys are just on the crye band wagon. Look at a 511 side by side to a crye plate carrier. In my opinion a Crye has no padding and the shoulder straps which are very important if you wearthem all day are non existant on the Crye 2.0. You dont see people doing crossfit and running miles in a weighted crye precision plate carrier for a reason 😂. This plate carrier is comfortable and that's what matters.
It’s definitely a POS but the drag handle there is closer to a recovery strap and I actually think it’s not a terrible idea; would be even better if you could attach it to your belt out of the bottom of the plate bag but honestly it’s a lot better than 99% of drag handles IMO.
Dude. This is a review channel and I make a point of only reviewing worthwhile items unless very explicitly stated otherwise. He need only look at the playlist to have a litany of great options.
I honestly will agree (though I've never worn the tac-tec, and I probably never will) that a lot of 5.11's "tactical" gear is shit but I do honestly enjoy their clothing and patches. Oh and somehow forgot about SOME of their shoes.
You paid for what you get, I have to say it is pretty good for the money especially you got quick release feature. For sure it is not perfect and does not fit every one or all missions. Actually there is no any product can do that.
@@EODFish I paid around $130 to get Tactec and $270 for JPC. I never buy MSRP(overpriced) from 511 since they always have good discounts and the price after the promotion is the true value. I just want to say it is not the best vest but also not the worst one. You need to use it as it is designed for, like the cummerbund of Tactec it is not for heavy things, so don't put PRC152 on it.
Ima be honest i bought mine for 120 while drunk used it for simunition training in the military its not the best and way over priced now … this is a carrier i would throw in the truck or to a buddy if need be 😅
Interresting sort of review. I do agree on the shoulder straps, which should have been adjustable. Given it is a what, 15 year old design? Or around that. In an enviroment that is so adaptive, it does not surprise me that you're critical of it. However, considering we were doing body armour and chest rigs at the time this was released, and that the JPC was a real innovation at the time, the TacTec doing wacky things doesn't surprise me, nor does it ageing so poorly. It is still a workable carrier for sure, but would not be on my top 50 pc list. Having seen it be used by those Russian SF dudes in Syria, and it being worn by US Rangers on occasion when they didn't spring for the original JPC (or maybe they got it handed down, idfk?) Makes me confident that it works in adverse conditions. Definitively highlighted alot of my complaints with mine though. Too bad I hadn't read more around before getting into the carrier game. Could have avoided the TacTec and JPC (original) and the AA pcs all together. Good video, definitively interresting to hear opinions.
Those shoulder straps are 100% adjustable. It ain't Crye Precision, but for around $200 dollars, it's not really anywhere near as bad as you're making it out to be. I've used this plate carrier for quite a while, and there are some things i wish they'd improve, for example I don't like how the QD handle dogs into my neck of its on the inner velcro panel, but if it's outside it gets caught on shit but there ways around that, in the marines were always doing our own modifications to our issued plate carrier like using 550 cord to cinch down the plate bag, so with very minor mods this is a good plate carrier.
@EODFish I would but I don't regret it. Crye is overhyped and overrated. Sure, it's nice, but I don't personally see what it does that my 5.11 doesn't, considering that my gear doesn't just sit on a display in my basement, and I actually use it.
Its 2024 … at a hundo plus a bunch of surplus pouches i fucks with a tac tec not my go to but still id rather have it not need it not the best not the worst
Any chance youll review more poverty rigs? Even if its unfavorable? I see the la police gear atlas carrier shilled a lot. The poors need honest reviews.
@@chomper720guys, I know context of this events. The truth is that... Tactec is fashionable in Eastern Europe. Seriously. Ruzzkies and Ukrainian guys use it because it's cool in their opinion. In reality they have a lot of options, but prefer tactec because they like it 😂 You should live with this knowledge
I’m sure you would have figured out the adjustment had you watched the video on how to adjust it, really isn’t that difficult, your just a little slow. Which is fine, as someone who personally uses 5.11 plate carriers (not as my main rig) the only issue I’ve had is not having side mountable MOLLE, that’s literally it, all this other shit your complaining about is obsolete and only a problem because you allow it to be my guy. Sure it’s not all high quality super great quality, but it’s not shit. It out performs quite a lot of brands on the market. Like a lot. I think you should have given more time, wear and tear, and actually well, watched their video on using their plate carrier before you make a review video about it. When evidently you don’t know much about the brand or anything. A poor and dishonest review in my opinion.
Also recall that 5.11 from the beginning never intended on becoming a tactical brand, they only became “tactical” after being bought out by their now parent company. It was initially a hiking/rock climbing brand, not tactical. So I think your expectations are a little high. Especially comparing a $150 PC to a $700 FerroConcepts PC.
@@EODFish Brudda you bought an already used vest, and then attempted to review it with absolutely zero knowledge on the vest, quite frankly your opinion is shit no matter how much cope you tack on.
If you could imagine, just for a second, tim kennedy shitting his pants out of anger while watching this video
"I believe in the 2nd, but..."
foreigner here
I hate that 5.11 also clearly gave a fuck ton of these out to Hollywood prop departments for advertising because their proliferation in mid or garbage tier tactical/military shows and movies is ridiculous. I think I first remember seeing one in 13 Hours and then after that it's like every other show or movie that needed an actor wearing a plate carrier, the 5.11 Tac-Tec would rear its ugly head again. If it wasn't a Tac-Tec it was an MOPC, or the garbage airsoft repros of the CIRAS and FSBE AAV-QR. The Four Plate Carriers of the Apocalypse.
And they always film without plates in their carriers too lol
It’s like the Kimber of plate carriers.
@@bobbyRC2”tactical vest”
MOPC? Is that a Chinese MEPC?
@@DraconisMarchVII No, it's a semi-original design from Condor that took inspiration mostly from the LBT 6094 series and predates the MEPC design by well over a decade.
Not a 5.11 fan. I use this plate carrier in current war and this guy genuinely made me laugh how he wasnt able to find a way to adjust shoulders))
I love ragging on 5.11 products because it's usually all the same problem: way to much fabric. They literally throw everything and the kitchen sink worth of cloth onto every "tactical" product they sell
Their pants are good.
@Synergy7Studios tactical items not clothing
I would stay away from 5.11 if you want actual duty grade tactical gear. Everything I own from them is basically white under night vision, everything except the molle strips on my gp pouch which only highlights the glow even more
@tomcollins2679 that's good to know, they opened up a shop near me and I checked it out only thing I picked up was a bottle molle pouch. Everything else wasn't good or near the quality of say spiritus for the same price. I go to the field next week I'll definitely check out the bottle pouch its on my assault pack so I've never noticed it
Sometimes I wonder if 5.11 even wants to be a tactical gear company or just an apparel company. Their backpacks have been getting steadily less "tactical" for a while now.
I think their designers are part time dudes that also work at Kel-Tec. 5.11 just gets them in the office as the high is wearing off.
I heard the boogloo boys in Civil War hit 5.11 for those dope ass button downs they love to wear, before immediately walking out of the store and getting shot in the pelvic bowl.
Be a little more specific with "less tactical."
I want a functional bag/pack, but I don't really want camo and molle/pals all over. I'll never buy a "military looking" tactical bag ever, but if they cut out the BS, I'll take a look.
@thewiredfox2691 that’s not what Hop was getting at. 5.11 is low pro in capes, not in looks.
@@EODFish I wasn't sure which he meant.
Imagine being a vet and not even knowing how to adjust the shoulder straps. And then imagine putting it out there that you're clueless.
I've loved mine, but to each there own
same. super comfortable, if you're not autistic you can get the plates to seat perfectly (thats a huge complaint i guess). I run my FCPC mainly but the tactec is always on standby lol. On an unrelated note, I couldnt believe how bad the trex ac1 is...thats the real issue here
@deadweight_ I have a video about it being bad as well, this is just so much worse though.
I've been running this carrier for about 6 years and I love it. Only thing is it obviously caters to bigger people so I wouldn't recommend it unless you're over 6 ft tall but I love how much real estate it has and the fact that you can run large plates. I've never had a problem getting my plates to fit perfectly and it's been abused heavily and never failed me. I've tried other plate carriers and there are better ones but you'll pay a premium. At the time of it's release I'd argue that this is one of the best at it's price point
@Furiousgerbil if “you’ll pay a premium” is your reasoning, how much was your Tac-Tec new?
I love my tac tec and wear it on duty. No issues at all going on a year strong of heavy use/ abuse and training. Is there better out there of course. But for the price point and flexibility with how you can set it up. You can't beat it just get over it. Everybody's build type is different. And instead of real problems and issues you wanna complain about adjustability 🤦🏼♂️get it setup properly and actually put some use to it and then review😒
This was my first PC. It was great for learning all the things I didn't want in a PC.
I was under the impression that this was a "crossfit only" product.. cant believe its marketed as armor.
I believe it became CrossFit when they couldn't sell it to their original target audience
@@jackchan3235 that checks out
@jackchan3235 I do too. This absolutely was trying to be a real PC until it wasn’t.
what do you mean it's bad bro? all of the shitty tom clancy video games had a guy wearing this..
lol
There is a reason why crossfit athletes wear them
Tom clancy would roll in his grave if he knew they hijacked his name and source material for shitty video games.
I work in security and I bought one of these a couple years ago. Spent $199 on it and was amazed at how bad it was for the money. For like $50 I could’ve ordered a crye JPC. I was stuck with it for about a year until a was able to switch to a $70 condor plate carrier. Which, believe me, was an upgrade.
where are you getting jpcs for $50
@gabem4208 he means $50 more
ah yea that makes more sense lol@@EODFish
may I know what condor PC you switched to?
I have one on me..i face an issue when all my mags are loaded up, its difficult to remove the cummerband because you can barely lift the flap all the way up.
Also the shoulder strap adjustment is something you brought out well.
I never understood the hate around them. I've been running this carrier for about 6 years and I love it. Most of the critiques are unfounded and aren't a problem from personal experience. My only critique is it obviously caters to bigger people so I wouldn't recommend it unless you're over 6 ft tall but I love how much real estate it has and the fact that you can run large plates. It's been abused heavily and never failed me. I've tried other plate carriers and there are better ones but you'll usually pay a lot more. At the time of it's release I'd argue that this is one of the best at it's price point.
NEVER had a problem with attachments or plates of any kind
NEVER experienced discomfort that you wouldn't get from other plate carriers over time
NEVER had a failure of any kind
Love the features like the elastic cumberbunds, quick detach handle and extended drag handle. (which were exclusive to this plate carrier AT RELEASE.)
BTW you CAN adjust the shoulders and you have WAY more room than you suspected. I can obviously tell that you actually haven't put any time or experience behind this plate carrier and it shows
lol cope
@@dnrfrank lol😂 that's exactly what I'd say if I didn't have experience with the product in question too. Just glad this channel actually acknowledged your comment cuz that means he saw mine and chose not to address it, and that says a lot.
I didn’t acknowledge it because it isn’t anchored in reality but more importantly, I can’t actively comment on every single comment. You are clearly defending your sunk cost. My concerns on this plate carrier are based on extensive time using a variety of platforms.
@@EODFish ohh didn't hesitate to acknowledge that comment I see. Have 6 years of experience with this specific product but it isn't an anchored in reality? You're only points I can get behind is that the plate carriers massive & the space above the back plate is stupid, everything else you said holds absolutely no weight. You didn't even know how to adjust the shoulder straps all the way and you make a lot of wrong assumptions in the video. A lot of what you said was just assumptions because you didn't even have the necessary time in the plate carrier. Yet I'm the one that's not anchored in reality? What a joke!😂
@@SourpatchAirsoft woah 6 years of airsoft experience
It's crazy that even functioning militaries and paramilitaries use these. The French Foreign Legion issued these at one point, as seen in videos of them doing jungle training wearing these in OD green, and even Wagner's Prighozin routinely wore one.
@@ratinthefoxhole2373 guys still wear chest rigs over slick vests, because it’s easier to take a chest rig on and off to switch loadouts then re-doing a bunch of MOLLE pouches. Reason why placards are so popular now.
The TAPs issued by the Army is literally a chest rig meant to be worn over your IOTV/SPCS. It can be adapted as a "placard" bit most guys size it and toss it over the vest
There's nothing wrong with this vest. If it holds your armor and LBE and doesn't fall apart, gear is all personal preference once those two criteria are met. There's better or worse ways of doing things, but everybody has a different body type.
@xXSgtWolfXx there are many well documented worse ways to do things and this checks nearly all those boxes.
@@xXSgtWolfXx saying that a vest is good to go because it "holds your armor and LBE and doesn't fall apart" is such a low bar compared to what's currently available. Ranger RBAV holds armor and LBE, but would you wanna go to war wearing a 30 year old design under the guise that it fulfils the bare minimum in performance? Or something that's far more comfortable and smartly designed?
@@EODFish I just came out of a USASOC course and one of the individuals I worked with wore a 5.11 Tac Tec for the field portion. The cummerbund failed to adequate support the weight of their 152 Radio and the plates severely sagged in their bags because of the crappy material after multiple days being in the cold, wet, and muddy NC training NTA. The plates in general sat even lower when paired with a ruck because of their flawed Quick-release system. It held up worse than any of the Condor plate carriers I've seen in FTXs. Would not reccomend at all in it's price range.
WORST??!!!?????!?? But it's in all the movies! Surely Hollywood costume departments know what the best equipment is.
Bought one of these years ago, still use it but only for carrying weighted plates. I have two 20lb plates in it. Use it for hiking, been trying to figure out what to replace it with once it wears out. People look at me like I'm crazy when wearing it. Not sure if they just can't believe someone would do those things while wearing weights or if it just looks to tactical to them and they think I'm a weirdo preparing for the apocalypse.
I also like to wear my plate carrier and the rest of my gear whenever I go hiking mostly to test out and see if there's anything wrong with my gear or comms, however the faces on the people that I encounter when on my hikes/tests are absolutely hilarious, some people would compliment and most people would stop their car and full on stare at me as if they are going through a military checkpoint, from what I can say most people will definitely look at you weirdly but most of them find it rather 'cool' and not bother you in any bad way so yes, i definitely feel you man. 😂👌
Whenever I see or hear 5.11 I think of Tim Kennedy or James Reeves and either make me want to play in traffic
What did James do, I like his content.
The shoulder straps do adjust it’s just incredibly annoying and stupid how it adjusts.
Lmfaoooo Sir… I haven’t watched all of your overview/review videos. But, damn you went HARD on this one! 😂 The subtle sarcasm got me 🤣🤣🤣
Well deserved though!
Call it like you see it!
This was my first plate carrier because a friend gave it to me for free. Even though it was free I got rid of it a few months later because it's that bad. The padding on the back of the plate bags makes it somehow less comfortable to wear. A Slickster is a better carrier for less money
The murph jokes fucked me up 😂
This was my first plate carrier. Still have it, seems okay to me as a minimalist build. It’s held up well.
But I don’t use it as a “heavy” or full out plate carrier. I have some level 3 plates in it and kinda renegaded it as a “lightweight” pc. Like a chest rig with some armor capacity.
I have 4 mags across the front, a dump pouch and IFAK, and it’s pretty minimalistic. Pretty light carrier build. I definitely wouldn’t pay full price.
I’m running a Shellback Banshee 3.0, and it’s a lot more conducive to tactical considerations.
You can tell this guy believes in gun rights, for himself.
What does that even mean?
I think you can still put a Crye JPC2 cummerbund on it since the setup on the JPC2 cummerbund is just identical to the TacTec with the backend of the cummerbund being molle instead of velcro
No, you can’t because the flap is hook on hook.
One feature I wish my Crye SPC had is a way to hold down the corners of the molle panel. My rifle sling sometimes gets under the corner and peels it open.
The molle loop on the cummerbund and laser cut on the admin part, that combo is the worst part.
Vietnamese here i know and work with factories that make 5.11 plate carrier and packs, in recent year 5.11 has used cheap chinese materials for their bag and accessory lines that is why the fabric and webbing look fake and horrible(becauce they’re). Please stay away from 5.11 packs, shoes, pc. Only things that are good are their clothings.
Made in Vietnam, but blame Chinese material is cheap , why use Chinese material if you can make your own , what a piece of shxt
5.11:
For boomers that don't want to do any research whatsoever and think Tim Kennedy is pro 2A.
It's funny because I actually loved this plate carrier.
I'm 6 '3 so maybe it's better for taller people.
It's super comfortable and the material aged well under rough conditions.
The way the breast plate area is shaped I always had plenty of room for my rifle buttstock to press against my shoulder pocket.
Only complaint is the admin Velcro patch! If you have any weight in pouches on the torso area it will undo the Velcro and hang that's why I like the admin zipper on the agilite as opposed to Velcro.
Other than that awesome plate carrier people just like to hate on them because cross fit people use them aswell.
I am buying one today for security purposes
@MrAuto727 what does that mean?
@@EODFish I sometimes transport inmates to hospitals or other prisons and sometimes do private security for celebrities.
I had one of these as my first carrier. I loved it, but it was probably the fact I'm quite tall and it fit me without the low/uneven riding issues. Its not the worst carrier ive ever worn, but i feel like its more of a vehicle trunk extra carrier than a main anything. I cant bring myself to hate it, but i wont defend its obvious flaws either.
He complained it’s too small then it’s too big within the first two minutes
Please! Show me where I said it was too small.
He said it doesn't sit right, which it doesn't. Not too small, just not able to be aligned right
Oh I been waiting for this video. Now I don't have to go on a 20 minute rant every time somebody ask if this is a good plate carrier
there are a ton of chinese knock-offs of this carrier all over southeast asia. the quick release thing on the sides were pirated next in no-time. whatevs
Fish took one for the team.
Seen a really cool setup on one of these but the shoulders were completely cinched down and it looked like a decent pc. Looks like they just cheaped out on the front flap webbing
plate carrier for 3rd world countriea
i think even the afghan made PCs were better than this
The price of a JPC but worse than a Condor.
I currently run a lower tier plate carrier and so far it’s not been an issue but once I’m able to afford one I’ll have a nicer one and NVG.
Someone left a brand new one in my work bathroom. (I work at Chuck E. Cheese) granted it was better than my condor so I took it and I like it.
Why did they leave a plate carrier in a Chuck E Cheese
@@bravo6959the kids weren’t kidding anymore someone brought the silent kid to a birthday party
effective tool for seeing if someone knows what they're doing or not
i love 5.11's packs but that and clothing is really where their specialties end, glad you gave an honest review
“The floppiest and grossest”🤣🤣😊
Amazing how many gucci gear fanbois show up out of the woodwork to salute a garbage review on a 10 year old piece of kit from a user that didn't even read the manual on how to adjust it properly, simply because it dismisses a 5.11 product. Half the review can be summed up with "Well I don't think that is an accurate dimension" but then you throw a pouch on and it fits perfectly... Not even an attempt made at being objective.
That’s a lot of words to say you have one.
@@EODFishur a Moron lmaooo
lol i bought one, at 135 bucks I'm not dis pleased but I'm also not an operator nor am i law enforcement just someone who wanted to build a kit and have it for training and working out. very fitting on me but i also started working out a lot more too because its all useless if you cant move a all.
I love my plate carrier.i love my pistol mags pouches that mount to it..511 has amazing gear imho..buying flex ar mags pouches next..
Always have time to shit on 5.11 "tactical gear"
Where does one acquire a T Block llama? I need one to match my 0241 T Block combat pants
Monkey Collective on IG. Great American.
@@EODFish magnificent, thank you! Hope those kryptek typhon kurmaz pants aren’t suffocating your legs too badly.
I admit am new to PC's. I'll date myself and say they all seem better than the flak jacket I was issued. To my point, I got a JPC 2.0 and immediately returned it because it seemed like a flimsy piece of junk. Tried a 5.11 and it was way more comfortable and strudy. What am I missing?
You are missing that bulk and quality aren’t indicative of each other.
Just awful, absolutely awful. Like the designers never even touched another plate carrier or asked a single soldier for advice
How does something like this even get past the design phase, never mind to market? It's like they took as many poor design choices as possible and put them all into one carrier. They didn't even attempt to copy anything good from other carriers. Insane.
Its like someone described a carrier over the phone in a solar flare and then they built it
Been using in ukraine for 6 months. Best plate carrier ever worn
So the only one you have worn?
@@EODFishI have crye AVS and tactec. Of course, AVS is the best, but tactec is not that bad in my mind. I use it in long range missions with minimalistic set up (level 3 plates, 4 mags, 3 tourniquets, mini dangler and roll med pouch). Shoulder straps were regulated to keep plates the correct way on my body. No problems. Also, I've changed cummerbands to normal one (jpc style with ROC). And changed loop on the front to the normal one. I had different pc, duty armored vests. That's not the worst one. It's ok, even good. But cummerbands and loop are really shitty, that's true
I got one as a hand me down. I put ceramic plates in it. It fits awesome! But I’m a muscular 6’3”. Perfect for my needs since I’m not jumping out of a helicopter in Afghanistan.
I have also us3d and switch between multiple different cummberbunds will fighting in this vest
Which ones?
My big jssue with 5.11s nylon gear (aside from what you pointed out) is the price tag. Mosf of their stuff costs quite a bit more than the Condor equivalent, with about the same (maybe slightly better) quality. Condor's products are leaps and bounds better than they used to be, so 5.11s cost to quality ratio is abysmal for many of their products.
I know it's not the best PC on the market, but I've seen a lot of people absolutely thrash the Condor MOPC, and if i had to spend less than a bill on an overt PC, that's not the worst thing in the world.
I went with a Grey Ghost Gear PC since it was reasonably well made and on sale (i was pretty broke at the time). Threw some HSGI should pads on it and it works well for what I need.
I might be the odd one out here but I have a couple mates who used this carrier while deployed in Afg and both seemed to be pretty happy with it. I wore a Warrior Assaults one that I liked much less
Cognitive bias is a real bitch. I have seen some people defend some really shit takes on gear just to be different.
Anything is better than a IOTV, that might be the reason
IOTV in my experience with them is a better option. Wore one for years not wanting to but they are objectively better made and more functional.
I remember when this first came out I think they were one of the few companies that made a pc in gray. Luckily gray caught on with everyone else so I'm glad I didn't have to get one lmao I am mildly annoyed when it shows up in every show and movie
Which one do you recommend though?
Crye jpc
Ferro slickster
Warrior assault systems dcs
They need to make a little compact version for walking around the block. Slim and trim. Not full LARP gi Joe jumbo.
There are dozens of slick plate carriers for that
But Timmy Kennedy says it’s built for da mission!
My man, Fish, bringing the 🔥. I never wanted this thing, and you cemented that feeling.
You still got this? I need to borrow it and destroy it also lol
Bro this plate carrier is a cadilac to what I was issused in the Army. Its very comfortable and I have worn with 10x12 plates. Not sure what size plates you require. I have never worn a Crye but I have seen one and the shoulder pads look horrible and they no padding. I like to see you review some other carriers. The only one I think might be legit is the Mayflower.
You’d like to see me review more? Boy do I have good news for you; there is a reason I can confidently say this is trash.
I mean, anyone can critique any piece of equipment, can you wear it fully kitted and sustain a good 12 hour training session at the range? I have .
I wouldn’t want to. It’s clearly a very poor option for that.
Plenty of options for that
This review, in the words of the beloved Marie Kondo, sparks joy. 🤓
dang, I've had one for years and i thought it was decent. Probably because its all i knew lol
It’s fine man, this guy just has to complain about everything
If you like it that's all that matters these guys are just on the crye band wagon. Look at a 511 side by side to a crye plate carrier. In my opinion a Crye has no padding and the shoulder straps which are very important if you wearthem all day are non existant on the Crye 2.0.
You dont see people doing crossfit and running miles in a weighted crye precision plate carrier for a reason 😂. This plate carrier is comfortable and that's what matters.
It’s definitely a POS but the drag handle there is closer to a recovery strap and I actually think it’s not a terrible idea; would be even better if you could attach it to your belt out of the bottom of the plate bag but honestly it’s a lot better than 99% of drag handles IMO.
What would be your recommendations for a viable plate carrier?
Anything else I have on film that I don’t blatantly say sucks.
Nice way not to answer
Dude. This is a review channel and I make a point of only reviewing worthwhile items unless very explicitly stated otherwise. He need only look at the playlist to have a litany of great options.
“The CrossFit fit” it’s something that sells from the catalog I suppose?
I only use this for working out. For actual duty, NO
Hey man, thoughts on Shaw concepts carrier?
Check my video on it
Thanks, I hate it.
I honestly will agree (though I've never worn the tac-tec, and I probably never will) that a lot of 5.11's "tactical" gear is shit but I do honestly enjoy their clothing and patches.
Oh and somehow forgot about SOME of their shoes.
You paid for what you get, I have to say it is pretty good for the money especially you got quick release feature. For sure it is not perfect and does not fit every one or all missions. Actually there is no any product can do that.
How much is a tactec in your mind?
@@EODFish I paid around $130 to get Tactec and $270 for JPC. I never buy MSRP(overpriced) from 511 since they always have good discounts and the price after the promotion is the true value. I just want to say it is not the best vest but also not the worst one. You need to use it as it is designed for, like the cummerbund of Tactec it is not for heavy things, so don't put PRC152 on it.
@EODFish Someone would have to pay me for storage fees if I got this for free.
Ima be honest i bought mine for 120 while drunk used it for simunition training in the military its not the best and way over priced now … this is a carrier i would throw in the truck or to a buddy if need be 😅
Not my jam, but I’ve seen allot of Crossfitters wear these. Obviously they don’t wear kit, and don’t need it to work for real world things.
Pull the cord out to adjust the shoulder straps…
I say exactly that.
@@EODFish I know. I posted at 1:05 when you said you weren’t sure if they did.
I only use it for running and pull-ups, I'd never take that thing into a fight lol.
Why do that when you could have a similarly priced PC that does both?
5.11 is just popular from CrossFit games. Condor does it better lol
😂this is premium, I did not believe my little brother when he said this thing was bad (he owns one) He wont be seen in it lol
It's not a plate carrier, it's for workout.
It is a plate carrier, they just started marketing it for workouts when no one else would buy it
Cope
@@punishedthatch8495 That's clever.
Ahh, thats what the multicam is for
It is, what we thought it was 😂
Interresting sort of review.
I do agree on the shoulder straps, which should have been adjustable. Given it is a what, 15 year old design? Or around that. In an enviroment that is so adaptive, it does not surprise me that you're critical of it.
However, considering we were doing body armour and chest rigs at the time this was released, and that the JPC was a real innovation at the time, the TacTec doing wacky things doesn't surprise me, nor does it ageing so poorly. It is still a workable carrier for sure, but would not be on my top 50 pc list.
Having seen it be used by those Russian SF dudes in Syria, and it being worn by US Rangers on occasion when they didn't spring for the original JPC (or maybe they got it handed down, idfk?) Makes me confident that it works in adverse conditions.
Definitively highlighted alot of my complaints with mine though. Too bad I hadn't read more around before getting into the carrier game. Could have avoided the TacTec and JPC (original) and the AA pcs all together.
Good video, definitively interresting to hear opinions.
The tactec did not exist 15 years ago brother. It came out about 8 years ago.
I know this is super subjective, but my God, the TacTec is hideous
Those shoulder straps are 100% adjustable. It ain't Crye Precision, but for around $200 dollars, it's not really anywhere near as bad as you're making it out to be. I've used this plate carrier for quite a while, and there are some things i wish they'd improve, for example I don't like how the QD handle dogs into my neck of its on the inner velcro panel, but if it's outside it gets caught on shit but there ways around that, in the marines were always doing our own modifications to our issued plate carrier like using 550 cord to cinch down the plate bag, so with very minor mods this is a good plate carrier.
Not Crye Precision but at Crye pricing. It’s ok to admit that you regret the purchase.
@EODFish I would but I don't regret it. Crye is overhyped and overrated.
Sure, it's nice, but I don't personally see what it does that my 5.11 doesn't, considering that my gear doesn't just sit on a display in my basement, and I actually use it.
flame me to medium rare, but after reading the comments im glad i watched this before buying this over the k19. idk what i was thinking 🤣
No need to flame but I also have a less than shiny K19 video
I have in multicam... Is the BEST.!! And I combine it with my mk18 Daniel Defense
What other plate carriers have you tried?
@iiikolby56 you know the answer is none
You can adjust the shoulder straps…still doo doo though.
5.11 rush series packs are good quality though.
I wouldn’t buy anything from them by choice these days but agreed.
Yes, their packs are cool
for $25 bucks i'd take one.
TIM KENNEDY
Its 2024 … at a hundo plus a bunch of surplus pouches i fucks with a tac tec not my go to but still id rather have it not need it not the best not the worst
It is actually the worst though.
Almost bought this as my first carrier lol
What do you expect for $225?
A quality plate carrier.
Any chance youll review more poverty rigs? Even if its unfavorable? I see the la police gear atlas carrier shilled a lot. The poors need honest reviews.
Probably not. The poors are the ones that cope hardest and those videos always fall on deaf ears.
@@EODFish poor financial decisions make folks grumpy.
5.11 literally made a video detailing how to adjust the sizing and customize it. 😂
Do a little research before you make claims.
Much like you didn’t finish this video, I couldn’t theirs.
@@EODFish I did finish your video but it didn’t provide any real cons to the carrier.
I bet it is designed to also fit Russian made plates i it can take wider plates...
If there is one way to make me like it less, that’s it.
@@EODFish Probably why Wagner PMC uses em, is due to their russian plates fit...
@@chomper720guys, I know context of this events. The truth is that... Tactec is fashionable in Eastern Europe. Seriously. Ruzzkies and Ukrainian guys use it because it's cool in their opinion. In reality they have a lot of options, but prefer tactec because they like it 😂
You should live with this knowledge
I’m sure you would have figured out the adjustment had you watched the video on how to adjust it, really isn’t that difficult, your just a little slow. Which is fine, as someone who personally uses 5.11 plate carriers (not as my main rig) the only issue I’ve had is not having side mountable MOLLE, that’s literally it, all this other shit your complaining about is obsolete and only a problem because you allow it to be my guy. Sure it’s not all high quality super great quality, but it’s not shit. It out performs quite a lot of brands on the market. Like a lot. I think you should have given more time, wear and tear, and actually well, watched their video on using their plate carrier before you make a review video about it. When evidently you don’t know much about the brand or anything. A poor and dishonest review in my opinion.
Also recall that 5.11 from the beginning never intended on becoming a tactical brand, they only became “tactical” after being bought out by their now parent company. It was initially a hiking/rock climbing brand, not tactical. So I think your expectations are a little high. Especially comparing a $150 PC to a $700 FerroConcepts PC.
It’s a high $200 dollar PC compared to an equally priced PC. The 5.11 is pure shit regardless of how much cope you tack on.
@@EODFish Brudda you bought an already used vest, and then attempted to review it with absolutely zero knowledge on the vest, quite frankly your opinion is shit no matter how much cope you tack on.
Good thing opinions are like assholes everybody has one. That doesn't make yours accurate
Saw a lot of these in videos from Ukraine frontline, thought these were some quality gear
They are not.
They don't have the budget to afford and try out different plate carriers nor the time
You bought it or they sent it too you for you to say how bad it is, don't make sense everyone has they're own opion you are not the tac vest God 😂😂😂😂😂
What part doesn’t make sense?
Couldn't get past the monotone whining to watch the entire video. But it's clear you're not buying stock in 5.11 anytime soon.
Monotone whining. I knew I brought something to the table.
LOL! @@EODFish