Amazing how Jon Bernthal has 1 full scene in this show and it's all he needed to completely portray a character we've only heard small bits about. It's like we really know who the hell Mikey really is just with this one scene. Great show.
Yeah, it was enough to understand that losing a brother and best friend is difficult. Hearing it was sufficient. But then this scene happened. This scene was TOP TIER. It made us see the relationship between Mikey and everyone, it made us love him in such a short amount of time, question how such a happy seeming guy could kill himself, show the communal familial love of food, and it made us mourn his character bc we know what happens. We feel it. Jon Bernthal was an exquisite choice. When I pictured Michael, he wasn’t what I pictured but he fits perfectly.
Carmy’s laser focus in rolling the meat and completing the dish Mikey started is wonderful foreshadowing. Mikey knew that Carmy would be the one to keep his head down, get the job done and ultimately ensure the restaurant would go on after he was gone.
The most painful line of this whole scene: “you guys were in a bar at 6.45 in the morning?” Can’t even begin to imagine how Richie felt, the whole furore of the memory be completely deflated and trivialise, almost becoming invalid. Absolutely crushing…
He was right to leave if that's all she got from the story since it's clear their personalities aren't a good match, but tbh as a chick, I would've beaten him to the door after hearing his butt was out bar hopping til sunrise at his age. Some think that's cute at 22 but not so much at 42. Just sayin😂
It was so sad seeing Richie tell a story that’s so special to him, a piece of someone so important to him that’s now gone, then be treated like that. Beautiful yet heartbreaking scene. Can’t wait for the next season.
@@josephplacidi341 the beautiful of this show is most characters have stuffs that get under ur nerve but over the season u gradually get the answer why and see them grow into a better person
@@madtitan0825i remember at the start of the show i hated tina cause of how she was kinda cold towards the start of the show but just like real life she started to open up and she became one of my favorites on the show
I love how natural the story is. The way he slightly stutters, asks Richie to confirm details, burps, stops and gets distracted for a second, it’s all so real and very difficult for actors to make natural
I'm obsessed not only with the casting of Mikey but the way Carmi is looking at him, you can see how much he looks up to him, how much he admires him even when he isn't actually saying anything, it's the way he follows his lead, does whatever Mikey asks. him to do, love this scene so much
It hits even harder when your brother shared the same name as the character but also clocked out early. I started the show expecting a kitchen skit show but got hit in the feels ahaha.
Richie is a sidekick, a hype man, the robin to Mikey’s Batman. Now he’s gone and Richie is screaming because he doesn’t know the sound of his own voice
Throughout the whole season you're just thinking, "can this moron just get out of the way and let them be great". Throughout the whole season you sort of understand his motivations, but this scene snaps it into perspective. He is a jerk, but he's also a broken man trying to preserve his best friends legacy.
The fact that bernthal is a well respected and highly paid actor, but still does these random guest appearances really tells you al lot about him. The man has zero ego. He's everything I would expect from the Micheal character. And yes, it's funny to see Micro and The Punisher reunited.
It’s certainly not a big role, but it’s a massively important role in the context of the show, and I think they were smart to go big on the casting. I have to imagine Jon Bernthal read the amazing script and was as thrilled to be a part of it as they were to have him.
He’s a very down to earth actor, in that he will take any role in something he really enjoys or thinks it’s good. He appreciates the craft. One of the best
The ending perfectly encapsulates how you feel when you lose a friend, you get so caught up on celebrating them you lose all filter of who and when you should tell some stories.
I feel like that scene was both a tragic punch to Richie’s ego - he’s spending all of his energy keeping Mike alive through himself but cannot possibly match up to the man he was - and it’s a realization that maybe not all the memories he’s trying to keep alive were good things. At this point in the story he’s really really struggling with the cognitive dissonance that came with wanting desperately to hold on to his deceased friend, while being confronted with the fact that Mike’s ways *just weren’t working out*. They weren’t what was best for anyone. I think this is my favorite scene in the whole series. What a bomb of character and plot and recontextualisation. All at once we can see exactly why Richie loved him so much and exactly why he needed to let him go
This scene is a truly magnificent representation of how we feel towards people we have lost too soon. We remember how they told stories, we remember how they cooked for us, we remember how they engaged the family around us, we remember how larger than life they were, and sadly we remember how truly special and unique they were. We cherish the memories of the titans that we once were fortunate enough to cook with and blessed enough to love.
I think this is a really good comment. But I also want to add that the end of this scene, ("6:45?") points out how rose-tinted-glasses can prevent us from seeing red flags. Everyone's really upset at the date for not being interested in the story, but her reaction goes to show the other half of Richie's character; a guy who everybody loves, but nobody can manage to help. Even after his death, his best friends are struggling to figure out what they might have done different and realizing some of their most cherished memories with the guy are actually his cries for help.
@@bobmcbigberry3362 was that a cry for help? If you work late nights some times you want to get drunk after work if that 6am or 6pm why does it matter? I know what you’re getting at and I respect wanting to recognize peoples struggles and trying to help them but as a guy who’s worked stupid hours I also just want to get plastered after a bad day without being judged for it.
@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus No, I understand. But we know from the show that Michael was the type of addict who could hide his addiction or make it seem like it wasn't a problem to his friends and family. I get that sometimes a night out at 6 am is just a night out. A lot of the time people just do stuff like this to blow off steam. But I think that, based on the way that everyone talks about Michael's addiction like something they didn't know about/realize the extent of until his death, this scene was meant to show that a bit more was going on than everyone realized. I didn't mean to act judgmental or anything
@@bobmcbigberry3362 you’re good I’ve just worked nights too much and have gotten tired of the dirty looks I’d get or even worse people thinking Iam a lush/junkie and trying to have “conversations” with me about it. a lot of people see you drunk early and automatically assume you’re a drunk/junkie they don’t consider that 90% of the stuff their day function off of are maintained by folk who work completely opposite hours then them. like it’s bad enough that I can’t go shopping otw home but on top of that I get flak for drinking 2-5 hours after Iam off work and finally got a day off? That’s frustrating. I agree though in this context it’s a great example of the red flags that are missed by the departeds loved ones, it also shows how toxic, dismissive/preventive of a open dialogue folk can be about things as well. I personally think Folk and maybe the show are looking too hard at the addiction/use side of this and not the fact that it was self harm that took him in the end. The entire family seemed to be in denial as much as they seemed to have missed the signs of his illness. A denial I’ll bet good money is stemming from the same toxic issues in the family/local culture that made the MCs brother self medicate and isolate to begin with instead of seeking help.
@@bobmcbigberry3362 almost forgot sorry to spam/double post but it just hit me that in the 7 min speech video he mentioned he didn’t know his brother was a user but the clip here shows that he was open about using, did he under play to what extent? Oh yea big time but I see a conflict in the narrative here or am I missing something, maybe Iam just conflating addiction and use while the MC separates the two? It’s been a while but they do separate use, self medicating and addiction but in common nomenclature they typically don’t separate these things so either the shows even better than I thought or the MC could be a unreliable narrator or the writers could’ve just had “teething issue” on a new show. Anyway I hope you have a good day/night/life.
I know the point of this scene is to highlight Mikey, but to me this scene is really about Richie. I think it really makes us understand how Richie fit into this family, and to an extent, why there is some animosity from Sugar and Carmy towards him now. Sugar and Carmy clearly weren't as close with Mikey as they got older, as neither of them even knew he was using to the degree that he was. But Richie was with him everyday, and I think Sugar and Carmy to some degree blame him for not stopping Mikey from doing what he did.
This is a really good point. In a way, Richie lost more than the others because he lost his best self, his best friend and his place in this family. Very well put. This scene helps humanize Richie a lot. We get to see a much better version of him and maybe that's the power of someone like Mike. A person like that makes you feel like the best version of yourself.
Jon Bernthal is amazing at playing dead relatives. He did something similar in “the Peanut Butter Falcon” where you can really feel for Shia LaBeouf after their flash backs
This Is god level writing. This scene alone Is developing 3 characters AT THE SAME TIME and through visuals. You can relate this scene with the carmy monologue.
You can tell Carmen loves the style of cooking, no exact measurements, no laser focus, no nitpicking, just feel the love. He can’t help himself since his training and is why he’s so miserable most of the time and always just wanted to cook with Mikey in the restaurant. It’s his family, it’s his love. Just look at the difference in prepping in this scene between Mikey and Carmy, you can tell
One of my favorite things about this scene is Sugar's place in it. She's there. But she's so left out of the conversation. Can barely get a word in, no one listens to her, Mikey even stops her when she tries to help with a dish. You can tell what their dynamic was even outside the kitchen perfectly. No wonder she hates the restaurant.
for real, just saw a comment that said how this scene developed *3* characters perfectly. and of course i think this scene is focused on mikey’s relationship w richie and carmen but i find sugar’s relationship the most interesting
I didn't realize it either until I saw Ebon Moss-Bachrach's (Richie) wiki page. Then I had to look up photos just to refresh my memory. His look and character are completely different. Terrific actor he is.
I love seeing Mikey's magnetic pull in action - just the way Carmy described him in his Al-anon monologue. My favorite thing to watch is Richie's face, reliving their amazing night- and then the brilliant cut to the cold water splash of his dud of a date. What an incredible series.
Every scene of this show feels so authentic like you're filming real people. This is actually how a group of friends get together and talk It's how I am with my buds. One of my favorite shows of 2022.
I love how this show never wasted anything. The sound design, acting, and camera direction was so meticulous and thought out. An enjoyable show that had really powerful moments. Excited for season 2
@@Ifixstuf anything specific you wanna point out? It did have some plot holes.. if carm listened ep 1 to Richie about the spaghetti.. wouldn't they have found the money immediately?
@@MicrodosingMilk How do you reseal cans and no one notices? Yet Carm is so on top of things? I have staff that spot a dent a mile away, in a real kitchen that isn't going unnoticed. especially with cans right in front of a work station like that.
@@MicrodosingMilk Then it all just ends with a new sign. Just felt like with how well the show was done, it was such a sloppy ending. Almost like an I'm over this and just do whatever ending lol
The way this scene just CUTS to him trying to recapture the magic of not just the story… but the ppl & energy it was shared w/… This scene encapsulates grief in a way I’ve never seen. Brilliantly done.
Jon bernthal is a special actor. Not the biggest name but just great. One scene told everything you needed to know about this character and why people loved him and he why he was a mess
Ohhhh. Ohhh I just noticed that partway through his story, Mikey leaves the prep he's working on and without either of them saying a word (I don't think), Carmy picks up where Mikey left off. Even better, Richie is so caught up in Mikey's whole aura that he doesn't even notice either and lets Carmy handle it alone
@@malfaroangel3896 No, no, no, he tells Carmy to help him with something specific but then, getting caught up in the story just totally leaves him to the task. Carmy completely takes over while Mikey gets lost in the moment. I see the part you're referring to but I was moreso talking about the last minute or so. Carmy finishes up what Mikey started, without being prompted.
I love fractured families. When they are gone and your the only one left you identify w these movies. You cry alone but they feel like they are right beside you. That is love
I noticed you could hear Mikey telling this story in the background of multiple scenes in S2E6. Even though they used the exact same audio, that is a wonderful detail. I’ve always come back to this scene because it genuinely made me happy (apart from the end, of course); now it just makes me sad after S2E6. Incredible writing.
This scene is perfect story telling. You have Carmy whos the chef and Richie whos the story teller/life of the party and then you have Mikey, who is both of them combined. Even the way they shot the close ups of the food being made, all shot with sunlight making the process look ritualistic, like being in the kitchen cooking and telling stories was a major part of their lives.
Seeing Richie try to tell this story to someone else to be met with indifference and confusion really broke my heart. Richie lost his best friend and the person who could relate to him the most. Nothing will be able to fill that void that Mikey left behind. I feel like no one checks on Richie and sees how he is doing in his grief
I love the subtlety of the Chicago accents here ... as a Chicago native ... it's not quite as strong as it was in the 80s, but it's still a part of the fabric. Great acting. Can't wait to binge this show. It looks phenomenal. I worked in a few Chicago kitchens and bakeries. Great work, hard as s---t work, but filled with comradery and purpose. Sometimes I miss the dysfunctional chaos of it.
On the rewatch, you notice how clean and bright the kitchen is, how they stand on the shot of him washing his hands, how their mom isn’t present, how Natalie isn't confident in her cooking abilities, but Mikey doesn't feel the need to yell or demean her even when making corrections and how Mikey lights up a room.
The saddest part is you can see how much Carmy idolizes and looks up to his older brother. Unfortunately it seems like Mikey didn’t share that same self image.
Im pretty sure mikey inherited his mental illness from his mom and the stress of running the restaurant and everything else in his life ruined him from deep down. He realized carmy respected and idolized him and that killed him even more cause he had to push him away to save him
Bernthal is prob the biggest star to emerge from the Walking Dead. Steven Yuen (Oscar best actor nominated for Minari), Danai Gurira (MCU) , Sonequa Martin Green (Star Trek) and others have gone onto some huge projects, but Jon has been the main character for two acclaimed shows, The Punisher and We Own This City. He's worked with DiCaprio in Wolf of Wall Street, director Denis Villanueve in Sicario, and its amazing that he still does small parts on good shows like this.
The show is great, but I can't stop thinking about this scene. The show works without it but it's like a puzzle where you can already see the picture and this scene is the last piece that completes it. And to see it go from epic to cringe at the highest point in the story is just unbelievably smart writing, the likes of which I don't think I have seen before.
The producer of this show is the same of the upcoming remake of American GIgolo with Jon Bernthal. This is probably how he was convinced to make such a small but iconic role for this show. Perfect casting - he really embodies the larger-than-life, chatty and friendly figure that was Mikey's character.
We’ve reached the John Berenthal dominance era of TV. Between we own this city and the bear. (Both widely considered the two, or two of the best shows of the year) Well deserved. Loved how much we don’t know about the bear and the past. They took every kitchen tv/movie cliche. Never leaned on any of them. Plus we get complex/evil Joel mchale on the back burner ready to tear apart carms world
John Bernthal was also a key character in a film called Shot Caller. It's amazing how he inhabits a character. I know that sounds cliche, but it's true. He is not anyone else he played before, or who he will play in the future. He's that character. In Shot Caller, he is an inmate...through and through. It's really amazing what he does in the various characters that he plays.
Dude yes! And he was a key character in Wind River. Very brief scene but just his performance made us care about a character that was in one scene. Just like this scene in the bear
this show’s about grieving and moving forward. in the very first episode richie is trying to tell everyone a story but it drags on same way that mikeys does in this clip. it kinda shows you how fucked up mikeys passing has been on them, richie trying to be like mikey sharing a story, carmen trying to elivate his dead brother’s restaurant and their sister trying to mend all the past relations with family because of mikeys behavior before his suicide. its all so real dude this show is amazing
This is an accurate portrayal of Ceres Cafe 15 years ago. Savard was there quite a few times- never saw Bill Murray. Details are uncanny, the history of Ceres was on the back of the menu Ceres is no longer open from breakfast but it gets crazy after work.
This shows show much about the dynamics of these characters, particularly how Carm always wanted to work with his brother, moving so quick to sprinkle Parmesan on the meal
I was a trader and logged plenty of hours in Ceres. What always blew my mind was the Ceres to go containers in the stalls in the members bathroom before the open.
I absolutely fell in love with this show. Me and my whole family, we all work in the restaurant business and we were all laughing and going “oh my god!” Hahaha
This show moves so fast and you can miss so many little characterizations. Something about how Mikey once he says "Give me your phone" he looks towards Richie and chuckles because it's Richie's angle from that point on so it's the perfect time to transition to the present, giving Richie the mic per se so he can continue the story by talking about how Bill Murray became his voicemail.
Man, as the show progressed, you could just tell Mikey was a cool dude. When I watched this episode and saw John bernthal, ‘twas bittersweet as he is one of my favorite actors.
Couldn’t stand Richie when first few episodes. Now I feel for the guy. Just finished the first season, and when he told carmy “you’re all I’ve got” that was heart breaking
The way he tells the story...how he moves and preps. He was sooo smooth and the way they shot how the food was being prepared. I had to go back a time or 2 cause I was just lost in the scene. I didn't hear the story.
You can also see something here. Carmy is finishing what Mikey starts with the food. Such good writing and directing and juxtaposition of cousin taking up the personality of Mikey, he had such an impact on both of them.
Jon Bernthal ❤. The way he talks in this kinda reminds me of how Jon actually talks. Such a great actor. Soon as I saw he was in this show I knew it was gunna be good.
Amazing how Jon Bernthal has 1 full scene in this show and it's all he needed to completely portray a character we've only heard small bits about. It's like we really know who the hell Mikey really is just with this one scene. Great show.
I get the older, cool, fun brother who you just love/look up to and know when they’re going to be somewhere/invited it’s going to be fun.
Yeah, it was enough to understand that losing a brother and best friend is difficult. Hearing it was sufficient.
But then this scene happened. This scene was TOP TIER. It made us see the relationship between Mikey and everyone, it made us love him in such a short amount of time, question how such a happy seeming guy could kill himself, show the communal familial love of food, and it made us mourn his character bc we know what happens. We feel it.
Jon Bernthal was an exquisite choice. When I pictured Michael, he wasn’t what I pictured but he fits perfectly.
I was thinking the same thing. Guy is such a powerhouse.
Ya he’s a STUD
It was amazing casting. I don't know about you, but just what the actor has brought to other movies helped inform this character.
Carmy’s laser focus in rolling the meat and completing the dish Mikey started is wonderful foreshadowing. Mikey knew that Carmy would be the one to keep his head down, get the job done and ultimately ensure the restaurant would go on after he was gone.
This is a great observation :)
@@mashzapotato TY! Really hope this show comes back for S2.
@@pam0626 it has to, the show is phenomenal
Insanely well spotted, man. Thanks for pointing something out that I totally missed!
I totally agree. Mikey, being the addict that he was, knew Carmy would run the restaurant better than himself so he led him to the money
The most painful line of this whole scene: “you guys were in a bar at 6.45 in the morning?” Can’t even begin to imagine how Richie felt, the whole furore of the memory be completely deflated and trivialise, almost becoming invalid. Absolutely crushing…
Honest to God I would’ve left.
@Apk90 that’s right 😂 my bad
i felt so bad
@@samct7015 sameee
He was right to leave if that's all she got from the story since it's clear their personalities aren't a good match, but tbh as a chick, I would've beaten him to the door after hearing his butt was out bar hopping til sunrise at his age. Some think that's cute at 22 but not so much at 42. Just sayin😂
Nice touch having Mikey start prepping the meat but getting caught up telling stories. Leaving Carmy to finish it
Foreshadowing. Carmy is left to pick up and finish what his brother started.
Carmy was left. continuing 'THE BEEF' after Mikey..
Absolutely
It was so sad seeing Richie tell a story that’s so special to him, a piece of someone so important to him that’s now gone, then be treated like that. Beautiful yet heartbreaking scene. Can’t wait for the next season.
Also the whole "Riche Bad News" things was heartbreaking.
Agree, didn't like Richie at first but he became my favorite character. So flawed and human.
@@josephplacidi341 the beautiful of this show is most characters have stuffs that get under ur nerve but over the season u gradually get the answer why and see them grow into a better person
@@madtitan0825i remember at the start of the show i hated tina cause of how she was kinda cold towards the start of the show but just like real life she started to open up and she became one of my favorites on the show
@@madtitan0825Better person is not a thing but definitely more tolerable.
I love how natural the story is. The way he slightly stutters, asks Richie to confirm details, burps, stops and gets distracted for a second, it’s all so real and very difficult for actors to make natural
Exactly. I would not have been surprised if the entire story had been improvised.
1:18 is too good. The way Carmy and Mikey are perfectly in agreement about not adding raisins is such a subtle touch yet sums up a lot.
It's such a perfect sibling moment. It's like you can just tell Sugar tries this every time they cook this dish and they're sick of it 😂
Raisins in Braciole sounds absolutely revolting so I don't blame them
I'm obsessed not only with the casting of Mikey but the way Carmi is looking at him, you can see how much he looks up to him, how much he admires him even when he isn't actually saying anything, it's the way he follows his lead, does whatever Mikey asks. him to do, love this scene so much
It was heartbreaking. What some of us would do to have our big brothers be there,just to look at him..
It hits even harder when your brother shared the same name as the character but also clocked out early. I started the show expecting a kitchen skit show but got hit in the feels ahaha.
Yea, notice that when Sugar shows the raisins Carmy doesn't immediately reject them until Mikey does? Clearly idolises the guy.
Richie is a sidekick, a hype man, the robin to Mikey’s Batman.
Now he’s gone and Richie is screaming because he doesn’t know the sound of his own voice
jeez, that is a painful line
Funny you say that since Mikey and Richie were Frank Castle and Micro in The Punisher.
Throughout the whole season you're just thinking, "can this moron just get out of the way and let them be great". Throughout the whole season you sort of understand his motivations, but this scene snaps it into perspective. He is a jerk, but he's also a broken man trying to preserve his best friends legacy.
wow that's deep
Jon Bernthal knew the task and did it in just ONE DAY! Brilliant
I forgot that his low growly voice he uses in Punisher isn't his actual voice haha he's such a great actor!
The 7th episode was only 4 takes. Amazing.
@@NTWoo95it’s like two different people 😂 between him and Castle/Punisher
Jon very talented in all the films I’ve seen him in
@@NTWoo95 There he just has his Shane voice from TWD.
The fact that bernthal is a well respected and highly paid actor, but still does these random guest appearances really tells you al lot about him. The man has zero ego.
He's everything I would expect from the Micheal character.
And yes, it's funny to see Micro and The Punisher reunited.
haha now that you said that, it clicked to me where i saw them together before. LMAO
I say the same thing Jon really takes any work he is given and is grateful and respectful to its production
It’s certainly not a big role, but it’s a massively important role in the context of the show, and I think they were smart to go big on the casting. I have to imagine Jon Bernthal read the amazing script and was as thrilled to be a part of it as they were to have him.
You think he's above these roles? He's not really doing triple A movies every year...
He’s a very down to earth actor, in that he will take any role in something he really enjoys or thinks it’s good. He appreciates the craft. One of the best
The ending perfectly encapsulates how you feel when you lose a friend, you get so caught up on celebrating them you lose all filter of who and when you should tell some stories.
Due to mental illness I think I would just blow up on the person and storm out of the place
And also... you might glorify them a bit in your mind
I feel like that scene was both a tragic punch to Richie’s ego - he’s spending all of his energy keeping Mike alive through himself but cannot possibly match up to the man he was - and it’s a realization that maybe not all the memories he’s trying to keep alive were good things. At this point in the story he’s really really struggling with the cognitive dissonance that came with wanting desperately to hold on to his deceased friend, while being confronted with the fact that Mike’s ways *just weren’t working out*. They weren’t what was best for anyone.
I think this is my favorite scene in the whole series. What a bomb of character and plot and recontextualisation. All at once we can see exactly why Richie loved him so much and exactly why he needed to let him go
This scene is a truly magnificent representation of how we feel towards people we have lost too soon. We remember how they told stories, we remember how they cooked for us, we remember how they engaged the family around us, we remember how larger than life they were, and sadly we remember how truly special and unique they were. We cherish the memories of the titans that we once were fortunate enough to cook with and blessed enough to love.
I think this is a really good comment. But I also want to add that the end of this scene, ("6:45?") points out how rose-tinted-glasses can prevent us from seeing red flags.
Everyone's really upset at the date for not being interested in the story, but her reaction goes to show the other half of Richie's character; a guy who everybody loves, but nobody can manage to help. Even after his death, his best friends are struggling to figure out what they might have done different and realizing some of their most cherished memories with the guy are actually his cries for help.
@@bobmcbigberry3362 was that a cry for help? If you work late nights some times you want to get drunk after work if that 6am or 6pm why does it matter? I know what you’re getting at and I respect wanting to recognize peoples struggles and trying to help them but as a guy who’s worked stupid hours I also just want to get plastered after a bad day without being judged for it.
@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus No, I understand. But we know from the show that Michael was the type of addict who could hide his addiction or make it seem like it wasn't a problem to his friends and family. I get that sometimes a night out at 6 am is just a night out. A lot of the time people just do stuff like this to blow off steam.
But I think that, based on the way that everyone talks about Michael's addiction like something they didn't know about/realize the extent of until his death, this scene was meant to show that a bit more was going on than everyone realized.
I didn't mean to act judgmental or anything
@@bobmcbigberry3362 you’re good I’ve just worked nights too much and have gotten tired of the dirty looks I’d get or even worse people thinking Iam a lush/junkie and trying to have “conversations” with me about it. a lot of people see you drunk early and automatically assume you’re a drunk/junkie they don’t consider that 90% of the stuff their day function off of are maintained by folk who work completely opposite hours then them. like it’s bad enough that I can’t go shopping otw home but on top of that I get flak for drinking 2-5 hours after Iam off work and finally got a day off? That’s frustrating. I agree though in this context it’s a great example of the red flags that are missed by the departeds loved ones, it also shows how toxic, dismissive/preventive of a open dialogue folk can be about things as well. I personally think Folk and maybe the show are looking too hard at the addiction/use side of this and not the fact that it was self harm that took him in the end. The entire family seemed to be in denial as much as they seemed to have missed the signs of his illness. A denial I’ll bet good money is stemming from the same toxic issues in the family/local culture that made the MCs brother self medicate and isolate to begin with instead of seeking help.
@@bobmcbigberry3362 almost forgot sorry to spam/double post but it just hit me that in the 7 min speech video he mentioned he didn’t know his brother was a user but the clip here shows that he was open about using, did he under play to what extent? Oh yea big time but I see a conflict in the narrative here or am I missing something, maybe Iam just conflating addiction and use while the MC separates the two? It’s been a while but they do separate use, self medicating and addiction but in common nomenclature they typically don’t separate these things so either the shows even better than I thought or the MC could be a unreliable narrator or the writers could’ve just had “teething issue” on a new show. Anyway I hope you have a good day/night/life.
I know the point of this scene is to highlight Mikey, but to me this scene is really about Richie. I think it really makes us understand how Richie fit into this family, and to an extent, why there is some animosity from Sugar and Carmy towards him now. Sugar and Carmy clearly weren't as close with Mikey as they got older, as neither of them even knew he was using to the degree that he was. But Richie was with him everyday, and I think Sugar and Carmy to some degree blame him for not stopping Mikey from doing what he did.
Good luck stopping an addict from indulging in their addiction(s), unless they themselves want the help.
@@Charsi_Escobar you are TOTALLY right, but also good luck keeping those poeple from blaming themselves
This is a really good point. In a way, Richie lost more than the others because he lost his best self, his best friend and his place in this family. Very well put. This scene helps humanize Richie a lot. We get to see a much better version of him and maybe that's the power of someone like Mike. A person like that makes you feel like the best version of yourself.
Jon Bernthal is amazing at playing dead relatives. He did something similar in “the Peanut Butter Falcon” where you can really feel for Shia LaBeouf after their flash backs
That’s the beauty about art. It can be both
I love how he stopped to belch at 0:32. Whether it was intended or spontaneous, it makes the moment all the more real.
I'd like to think him saying "sorry" was to the cast 😆
I read it as post nasal drift from cocaine
"Oh great, another story we've all heard a million times before" - Uncle Lee
I was so happy when Mikey threw the 3rd fork at him. 😂🤣😭💀
Why was Uncle Lee so hard and toxic on Mikey?
@@akombalasau4022 because Mikey was a drug addict, hemorrhaging money he borrowed from loved ones
This Is god level writing. This scene alone Is developing 3 characters AT THE SAME TIME and through visuals.
You can relate this scene with the carmy monologue.
You can tell Carmen loves the style of cooking, no exact measurements, no laser focus, no nitpicking, just feel the love. He can’t help himself since his training and is why he’s so miserable most of the time and always just wanted to cook with Mikey in the restaurant. It’s his family, it’s his love. Just look at the difference in prepping in this scene between Mikey and Carmy, you can tell
One of my favorite things about this scene is Sugar's place in it. She's there. But she's so left out of the conversation. Can barely get a word in, no one listens to her, Mikey even stops her when she tries to help with a dish. You can tell what their dynamic was even outside the kitchen perfectly. No wonder she hates the restaurant.
for real, just saw a comment that said how this scene developed *3* characters perfectly. and of course i think this scene is focused on mikey’s relationship w richie and carmen but i find sugar’s relationship the most interesting
Also her desire to get the raisins in because "mom always did raisins" is so good after watching Season 2
Also its so realistic, the younger sister getting left out of the conversation with the older guys
The Punisher & Micro just living their best lives
Why did I watch this whole season and just now notice this was the dude who played Micro? Fuckin amazing
Fuk I never realised that
I didn't realize it either until I saw Ebon Moss-Bachrach's (Richie) wiki page. Then I had to look up photos just to refresh my memory. His look and character are completely different. Terrific actor he is.
I hope the two got to hang out after filming!
It clicked for me towards the end of the episode that they were together again 🫡🫡🫡
I love seeing Mikey's magnetic pull in action - just the way Carmy described him in his Al-anon monologue. My favorite thing to watch is Richie's face, reliving their amazing night- and then the brilliant cut to the cold water splash of his dud of a date. What an incredible series.
Every scene of this show feels so authentic like you're filming real people.
This is actually how a group of friends get together and talk
It's how I am with my buds.
One of my favorite shows of 2022.
Yep. Very authenticious.
I just notice how the camera frames everyone. The boys are almost together while sugar is framed by herself. beautiful story telling there
I love how this show never wasted anything. The sound design, acting, and camera direction was so meticulous and thought out. An enjoyable show that had really powerful moments. Excited for season 2
The last episode was a little messy if we are being honest
@@Ifixstuf anything specific you wanna point out? It did have some plot holes.. if carm listened ep 1 to Richie about the spaghetti.. wouldn't they have found the money immediately?
@@MicrodosingMilk How do you reseal cans and no one notices? Yet Carm is so on top of things? I have staff that spot a dent a mile away, in a real kitchen that isn't going unnoticed. especially with cans right in front of a work station like that.
Yeah dude I feel you!! I've worked in several kitchens & yeah bs! But to be fair, it sticks out more bc the rest of the show feels so authentic
@@MicrodosingMilk Then it all just ends with a new sign. Just felt like with how well the show was done, it was such a sloppy ending. Almost like an I'm over this and just do whatever ending lol
The way this scene just CUTS to him trying to recapture the magic of not just the story… but the ppl & energy it was shared w/…
This scene encapsulates grief in a way I’ve never seen. Brilliantly done.
Jon bernthal is a special actor. Not the biggest name but just great. One scene told everything you needed to know about this character and why people loved him and he why he was a mess
This is the best scene so far. So unexpected and welcoming at the time.
Story was realistic too...i saw Savard at Ceres multiple times.
The way Camry looks at Mikeyin the beginning is just phenomenal. Every actor killed this scene.
Jon Bernthal was perfect for Mikey. Hoping we get more flashbacks of him next season
Season 2 episode 6 him Jamie Lee Curtis and Bob Odenkirk
You got your wish to the Tenth Degree
Ebon Moss Bachrach and Jon Bernthal havin a lil Punisher renunion. Amazing actors.
Ohhhh.
Ohhh I just noticed that partway through his story, Mikey leaves the prep he's working on and without either of them saying a word (I don't think), Carmy picks up where Mikey left off.
Even better, Richie is so caught up in Mikey's whole aura that he doesn't even notice either and lets Carmy handle it alone
Ummm no, Mikey literally tells him to help him out as he wants to tell the story. Did you miss that?
@@malfaroangel3896
No, no, no, he tells Carmy to help him with something specific but then, getting caught up in the story just totally leaves him to the task. Carmy completely takes over while Mikey gets lost in the moment. I see the part you're referring to but I was moreso talking about the last minute or so. Carmy finishes up what Mikey started, without being prompted.
I love fractured families. When they are gone and your the only one left you identify w these movies. You cry alone but they feel like they are right beside you. That is love
Everytime Michael is in a scene, it is pure GOLD! Man I love this guy, Jon Bernthal is great! 😭
Always great to see Bernthal pop up randomly in stuff
I noticed you could hear Mikey telling this story in the background of multiple scenes in S2E6. Even though they used the exact same audio, that is a wonderful detail.
I’ve always come back to this scene because it genuinely made me happy (apart from the end, of course); now it just makes me sad after S2E6. Incredible writing.
This scene has a “Good Will Hunting” quality. Fantastic
This scene is perfect story telling. You have Carmy whos the chef and Richie whos the story teller/life of the party and then you have Mikey, who is both of them combined. Even the way they shot the close ups of the food being made, all shot with sunlight making the process look ritualistic, like being in the kitchen cooking and telling stories was a major part of their lives.
After this scene, you really understand about Richie’s character. Great writing!
I want this show to win Emmys
It will, this show is brilliant especially with the writing and acting
@@diskmort i hope so but it’s hard to say it will, considering how many great shows never win an emmy
Lol.. You actually watch the Emmys?
i want Andor to win
Honestly I’m just here appreciating good shows
This show was OUTSTANDING. Holy crap
Micro and punisher straight chillin
I’m so glad we only saw this one time during the season it made it so much better
Seeing Richie try to tell this story to someone else to be met with indifference and confusion really broke my heart. Richie lost his best friend and the person who could relate to him the most. Nothing will be able to fill that void that Mikey left behind. I feel like no one checks on Richie and sees how he is doing in his grief
I love the subtlety of the Chicago accents here ... as a Chicago native ... it's not quite as strong as it was in the 80s, but it's still a part of the fabric. Great acting. Can't wait to binge this show. It looks phenomenal. I worked in a few Chicago kitchens and bakeries. Great work, hard as s---t work, but filled with comradery and purpose. Sometimes I miss the dysfunctional chaos of it.
The fact that Mike had his arms covered in tattoos while Carmy didn't at the time shows how much he really looked up to him.
Jon Bernthal kills it in every role, big or small. One of my favourite actors
On the rewatch, you notice how clean and bright the kitchen is, how they stand on the shot of him washing his hands, how their mom isn’t present, how Natalie isn't confident in her cooking abilities, but Mikey doesn't feel the need to yell or demean her even when making corrections and how Mikey lights up a room.
The saddest part is you can see how much Carmy idolizes and looks up to his older brother. Unfortunately it seems like Mikey didn’t share that same self image.
They never do. 😔
Im pretty sure mikey inherited his mental illness from his mom and the stress of running the restaurant and everything else in his life ruined him from deep down. He realized carmy respected and idolized him and that killed him even more cause he had to push him away to save him
There is nothing more wholesome than a person who enjoys telling stories as he/she is cooking.
Making braciole. Like how he spikes it instead of tying it with string. Authentic. Pine nuts but no raisins. Classic.
Bernthal is prob the biggest star to emerge from the Walking Dead. Steven Yuen (Oscar best actor nominated for Minari), Danai Gurira (MCU) , Sonequa Martin Green (Star Trek) and others have gone onto some huge projects, but Jon has been the main character for two acclaimed shows, The Punisher and We Own This City. He's worked with DiCaprio in Wolf of Wall Street, director Denis Villanueve in Sicario, and its amazing that he still does small parts on good shows like this.
Real actor's actor, he spent 15 years training before ever going for an audition and it shows.
Plus he played Tony Soprano's Dad on the Sopranos prequel movie.
The show is great, but I can't stop thinking about this scene. The show works without it but it's like a puzzle where you can already see the picture and this scene is the last piece that completes it. And to see it go from epic to cringe at the highest point in the story is just unbelievably smart writing, the likes of which I don't think I have seen before.
The affectionate in Michael’s voice at 2:01 when he calls Richie ‘this curious fellow’ really gets me. He really loved him so much 😢
The producer of this show is the same of the upcoming remake of American GIgolo with Jon Bernthal. This is probably how he was convinced to make such a small but iconic role for this show. Perfect casting - he really embodies the larger-than-life, chatty and friendly figure that was Mikey's character.
I lost it when he took those raisins away🤣🤣
of course you did, that was the joke
Bars out till 6:45am is the best part about living in Chicago.
One of those roles that small, almost cameo but on the other hand he is like one the most important characters of this whole story.
The writing, the acting, the camera, hell even the chemistry is just beyond anything I've watched before
I loved Richie’s character.. it feels so real…
That is a character Bernthal must have in his back pocket and can just effortlessly perform on command. Brilliant!!!
When he said Cerise I already knew the story was going to be crazy. That place is infamous.
Ceres*
We’ve reached the John Berenthal dominance era of TV. Between we own this city and the bear. (Both widely considered the two, or two of the best shows of the year) Well deserved. Loved how much we don’t know about the bear and the past. They took every kitchen tv/movie cliche. Never leaned on any of them. Plus we get complex/evil Joel mchale on the back burner ready to tear apart carms world
He'll always be Shane in TWD & Frank Castle in The Punisher for me. Love to see he's doing so well.
I was literally just thinking of this scene and I saw you guys just now posted it! Love this scene
John Bernthal was also a key character in a film called Shot Caller. It's amazing how he inhabits a character. I know that sounds cliche, but it's true. He is not anyone else he played before, or who he will play in the future. He's that character. In Shot Caller, he is an inmate...through and through. It's really amazing what he does in the various characters that he plays.
Dude yes! And he was a key character in Wind River. Very brief scene but just his performance made us care about a character that was in one scene. Just like this scene in the bear
this show’s about grieving and moving forward. in the very first episode richie is trying to tell everyone a story but it drags on same way that mikeys does in this clip. it kinda shows you how fucked up mikeys passing has been on them, richie trying to be like mikey sharing a story, carmen trying to elivate his dead brother’s restaurant and their sister trying to mend all the past relations with family because of mikeys behavior before his suicide. its all so real dude this show is amazing
Best show on Hulu hands down and they used the best song to convey the perfect feeling
Such an accurate scene. Cooking, Sundays, Family, etc, just shooting it, sharing stories, good times.
This is amazing acting from everyone. This felt authentic and real.
This is an accurate portrayal of Ceres Cafe 15 years ago. Savard was there quite a few times- never saw Bill Murray. Details are uncanny, the history of Ceres was on the back of the menu Ceres is no longer open from breakfast but it gets crazy after work.
Bernthal just nails every american accent like his chicagan is awesome and he doesn't overplay it
AS oud and brash as Carmy and Ritchie can be its funny seeing them be secondary when in Mikey's orbit
Seeing them so happy was heartbreaking because it's just a glance of they relationship with him
This shows show much about the dynamics of these characters, particularly how Carm always wanted to work with his brother, moving so quick to sprinkle Parmesan on the meal
“You’ve told that story a million times”
(throws fork)
And am I the only one wishing I could have heard Murray’s message?😂😂😂
I was a trader and logged plenty of hours in Ceres. What always blew my mind was the Ceres to go containers in the stalls in the members bathroom before the open.
I absolutely fell in love with this show. Me and my whole family, we all work in the restaurant business and we were all laughing and going “oh my god!” Hahaha
This show moves so fast and you can miss so many little characterizations. Something about how Mikey once he says "Give me your phone" he looks towards Richie and chuckles because it's Richie's angle from that point on so it's the perfect time to transition to the present, giving Richie the mic per se so he can continue the story by talking about how Bill Murray became his voicemail.
I just realized that Mikey started the dish and Carmen finished it. Very poetic representation of the series
Can’t believe I waited so long to start the show. Love it!!!
Man, as the show progressed, you could just tell Mikey was a cool dude. When I watched this episode and saw John bernthal, ‘twas bittersweet as he is one of my favorite actors.
Connecting with people as an adult is hard. You try to tell them important bits about yourself but you realize to them it doesn’t mean anything
I really appreciate the performance for the sister. She’s really good.
gotta love a Punisher reunion
jon bernthal...WE NEED interviews of you about the bear. This scene was so huge
Richie is like a hype man with no one to hype :'(
Couldn’t stand Richie when first few episodes. Now I feel for the guy. Just finished the first season, and when he told carmy “you’re all I’ve got” that was heart breaking
The way he tells the story...how he moves and preps. He was sooo smooth and the way they shot how the food was being prepared. I had to go back a time or 2 cause I was just lost in the scene. I didn't hear the story.
Was looking forward for this to be released. Thank you so much.
I hope we see jon bernthal in more shows and movies. He is amazing!!
Glad to see Punisher and Microchip hanging out together
"You already told this story!"
"Mikey, why you lookin' for forks?"
Good to see Jon Bernthal and Ebon Moss-Bachrach together again. Punisher and Micro!
Savard Chelios and Belfour is such an elite group of name drops.
I've heard that story a million times already!
You can also see something here. Carmy is finishing what Mikey starts with the food. Such good writing and directing and juxtaposition of cousin taking up the personality of Mikey, he had such an impact on both of them.
Franck and Micro in the kitchen, great!
Sad how at the end of this scene only Richie felt the joy in that memory. He only had those closest to him to appreciate it.
Good seeing Frank with Micro again
And now he's The Thing😊
The Micro actor is The Thing I mean not Frank😅
Jon Bernthal ❤. The way he talks in this kinda reminds me of how Jon actually talks. Such a great actor.
Soon as I saw he was in this show I knew it was gunna be good.