this is so great, thank u for posting!!!! (if theres any way to boost volume of the first 4 lectures, that wd be great. Volume is significantly louder beginning w/ lecture 5)
There was a homer lecture that I listened too by a woman professor that I can’t find anywhere . But it was really good too. It was about 8 hours as well does anyone know?
It's good to hear the Dylan reference in here from Hubert - just to mention though Hubert, we're not post Bob Dylan as yet, thank God. Rest in great peace sir.
This is a fascinating post. This talk it seems to me represents one view of the great books based on the notion of progress chronologically. This is not the only view. I believe that there is a conversation of the great minds of the West. But this conversation in no way implies progress chronologically. On the contrary, some of the more recent great thinkers in this conversation look back forlornly on the intellectual and artistic accomplishments of their predecessors precisely because they see how far we’ve regressed from great minds like Homer or Plato or Aeschylus or Heraclitus...
5:27:00 Apollo God of wisdom Athena goddess of diplomacy Homer is a pluralist, but not the kind of we are 5:30:00 Lover then scientist Roles the more the better It's not as if you were committed to all these lives It's realistic: The Whatever attitude I.e. students One way of living too You're kind of workaholic Couldn't work 12 hrs a day at sth you really like without being a workaholic In New Yorker there's a great cartoon - a woman in chair reading A book, title woman who read too much The kind pluralism relativism was around may serve a life or death commitment Helen willing to make sacrifices Willing make baby with Paris , so heartedly willing to make sacrifices for him Homer admires it: Remember Helen.. She's the shining lady, daughter of Zeus When you're under some particular God, its no better or worse than other particular God But it's important to be in a certain way addicted to that God's world Is a good thing not a bad thing for Homer Menaleus castle wife music enjoys it all Seem to fight uoff God leave him alone Home not glorious not God like It's terrific to be under God not have free will not responsibilityopen to attraction to force outside of you because it gives to us a kind of seriousness like Helen (Hector in illiad) achellis) These certainty appreciationhave lives that really matter She now committed to Menaleus Considered woman receptive completely whole heatedly committed tonot free not responsible shoe mightbwilling to die fory Anybody can do any thing you like Shouldnt let anything take you over It's hard to describe what committed pluralism is What is homer doing? How homer gives in odessus adventure life & domestic life are on horizon All we've got total tolerance everybody allowed to do their own thing 5:52:00 seriousness in life you won't know what's worthy or not The differences makes you choose what you're doing, know some sensible way, nothing matters, nothing's "worth done fot" Meaning these a trade-off Between shattering we've got & admire (what we seek want to be) Which is autonomy: giving law to Ourselve, means we take responsibility to choose our own lives, free to do it, then we're free to, then we have to, then defend our choice(because it has it develops it's own value) developed it's own choices, reasons(you start within your choice) The 3: 1.autonomy 2.responsibility 3.freedom That's nice, we lost serious meaning We're in kind-of "Void". in" ice storm" move or book The vacuum which is expanding taking over everything You gotta have something to fill the void..., you don't know how much in a Void I'm in .... It could be our freedom got us into our void what's the way out of it? Homer got solution: 1. A God, that is some power, "if you don't freely choose, it chooses you" something like a calling a vocation 6:01:00 Greek arosticaris is main authority 6:12:00 homer got 2 different forms of good life 6:18:00 On 94 95 there's this famous passage odessus has been, flashing n thrashing around the ocean, finally get up onb the shore on 94 10 lines below, & now, his knees buckle his arms gave 6:21:00 beautiful poetry Trunk of Olive tree Besides comfortable domestic More amazingly adventure bed is on the horizon Not sure you're free to refuse the mood as a realist People with a lot of freedom always do bad things Reversal of enlightenment be the freedom responsiblity are the highest thing Polythemus I don't care about what the God's do I am free. & Eat... for breakfast Abesthus clydamenstra Terrible to let individual desires direct you, in homer it's wrong He doesn't do it freely but because it's the custom that let you do it 6:28:00 upset when they threw Why would Athena takeaway his freewill he'd be left freely as bad guy When people are free Then no God is shinning on them they are not guided by custom, not guided by desire Calculating how to satisfy their desires polythemus the suitors & they do bad things Does not deny existence of autonomy in morality they are consciously responsibile of what they're doing He's making a high level moral judgement (not which life is better than which life) In homer there are no bad mood, he refuses vengeance. Homer does not approve Poseidon's vengeance Possidon is not on Olympians side Waiting for them to go away before they could enact sll Olympian moral decisions Think of him as nature out of control Making situations dangerous P 234 23 Poseidon, he does takes vengeance Furies mentioned 3 times in homer Beggars for a Pokemon, the furies 6:53:00 deserve to die by fact customs are against it God's against it & the prophet. The suitors deserved it in a group delightful way Places where Aeschylus story in background 10 arrestes 2 faced man to become a father 198 199 trader is clydamenstra Agamemnon that woman plotted so low to defy herself all the sex, women yet to come. Few virtuous As usual moral slant against Helen Sons football atreaus fired by Helen's fault Either moral or Neither minimal sense of fault or false sense of fault Vladimir they died for Helen's sake Helen she caused the war but not moral that caused it Why don't they have same values we have same reverence for human life-The don't Human life is infinitely valuable Each life Agamemnon doesn't have odessus skill Just walks in horray I'm home No Gods help Agamemnon in homer & Aeschylus. Got same name but very different jobs gods not in moods or in business of helping people God's ate values of culture now Different God's stand for different values People justify by appealing to different values
For anyone who finds the audio too soft, hold on. It gets better by the start of the 2nd lecture
I’m a homer aficionado and I really like the way you brought out the moods
The volume stays low throughout most of this. Too bad.
this is so great, thank u for posting!!!!
(if theres any way to boost volume of the first 4 lectures, that wd be great. Volume is significantly louder beginning w/ lecture 5)
There was a homer lecture that I listened too by a woman professor that I can’t find anywhere . But it was really good too. It was about 8 hours as well does anyone know?
Vandiver?
What is the name of expert on polytheism? I lost the spot where he talks about it....
Awesome, thank you for posting.
Which fall those lectures? Which year? I think he did it multiple times
It's good to hear the Dylan reference in here from Hubert - just to mention though Hubert, we're not post Bob Dylan as yet, thank God. Rest in great peace sir.
This is a fascinating post. This talk it seems to me represents one view of the great books based on the notion of progress chronologically. This is not the only view. I believe that there is a conversation of the great minds of the West. But this conversation in no way implies progress chronologically. On the contrary, some of the more recent great thinkers in this conversation look back forlornly on the intellectual and artistic accomplishments of their predecessors precisely because they see how far we’ve regressed from great minds like Homer or Plato or Aeschylus or Heraclitus...
Not quite
This is actually the opposite of what he’s saying.
How very Nietzschean
He openly says the opposite of this early in the lecture.
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5:27:00
Apollo God of wisdom
Athena goddess of diplomacy
Homer is a pluralist, but not the kind of we are
5:30:00
Lover then scientist
Roles the more the better
It's not as if you were committed to all these lives
It's realistic: The Whatever attitude
I.e. students
One way of living too
You're kind of workaholic
Couldn't work 12 hrs a day at sth you really like without being a workaholic
In New Yorker there's a great cartoon - a woman in chair reading
A book, title woman who read too much
The kind pluralism relativism was around may serve a life or death commitment
Helen willing to make sacrifices
Willing make baby with Paris , so heartedly willing to make sacrifices for him
Homer admires it:
Remember Helen.. She's the shining lady, daughter of Zeus
When you're under some particular God, its no better or worse than other particular God
But it's important to be in a certain way addicted to that God's world
Is a good thing not a bad thing for Homer
Menaleus castle wife music enjoys it all
Seem to fight uoff
God leave him alone
Home not glorious not God like
It's terrific to be under God not have free will not responsibilityopen to attraction to force outside of you because it gives to us a kind of seriousness like Helen (Hector in illiad) achellis)
These certainty appreciationhave lives that really matter
She now committed to Menaleus
Considered woman receptive completely whole heatedly committed tonot free not responsible shoe mightbwilling to die fory
Anybody can do any thing you like
Shouldnt let anything take you over
It's hard to describe what committed pluralism is
What is homer doing?
How homer gives in odessus adventure life
& domestic life are on horizon
All we've got total tolerance everybody allowed to do their own thing
5:52:00 seriousness in life you won't know what's worthy or not
The differences makes you choose what you're doing, know some sensible way, nothing matters, nothing's "worth done fot"
Meaning these a trade-off
Between shattering we've got & admire (what we seek want to be)
Which is autonomy: giving law to Ourselve, means we take responsibility to choose our own lives, free to do it, then we're free to, then we have to, then defend our choice(because it has it develops it's own value) developed it's own choices, reasons(you start within your choice)
The 3:
1.autonomy
2.responsibility
3.freedom
That's nice, we lost serious meaning
We're in kind-of "Void". in" ice storm" move or book
The vacuum which is expanding taking over everything
You gotta have something to fill the void..., you don't know how much in a Void I'm in ....
It could be our freedom got us into our void what's the way out of it?
Homer got solution:
1. A God, that is some power, "if you don't freely choose, it chooses you" something like a calling a vocation
6:01:00 Greek arosticaris is main authority
6:12:00 homer got 2 different forms of good life
6:18:00
On 94 95 there's this famous passage odessus has been, flashing n thrashing around the ocean, finally get up onb the shore on 94 10 lines below, & now, his knees buckle his arms gave
6:21:00 beautiful poetry
Trunk of Olive tree
Besides comfortable domestic
More amazingly adventure bed is on the horizon
Not sure you're free to refuse the mood as a realist
People with a lot of freedom always do bad things
Reversal of enlightenment be the freedom
responsiblity are the highest thing
Polythemus
I don't care about what the God's do
I am free. & Eat... for breakfast
Abesthus clydamenstra
Terrible to let individual desires direct you, in homer it's wrong
He doesn't do it freely but because it's the custom that let you do it
6:28:00 upset when they threw
Why would Athena takeaway his freewill he'd be left freely as bad guy
When people are free
Then no God is shinning on them
they are not guided by custom, not guided by desire
Calculating how to satisfy their desires polythemus the suitors
& they do bad things
Does not deny existence of autonomy in morality they are consciously responsibile of what they're doing
He's making a high level moral judgement (not which life is better than which life)
In homer there are no bad mood, he refuses vengeance.
Homer does not approve Poseidon's vengeance
Possidon is not on Olympians side
Waiting for them to go away before they could enact sll Olympian moral decisions
Think of him as nature out of control
Making situations dangerous
P 234 23 Poseidon, he does takes vengeance
Furies mentioned 3 times in homer
Beggars for a Pokemon, the furies
6:53:00 deserve to die by fact customs are against it God's against it & the prophet. The suitors deserved it in a group delightful way
Places where Aeschylus story in background 10 arrestes 2 faced man to become a father
198 199 trader is clydamenstra
Agamemnon that woman plotted so low to defy herself all the sex, women yet to come. Few virtuous
As usual moral slant against Helen
Sons football atreaus fired by Helen's fault
Either moral or
Neither minimal sense of fault or false sense of fault
Vladimir they died for Helen's sake
Helen she caused the war but not moral that caused it
Why don't they have same values we have same reverence for human life-The don't
Human life is infinitely valuable
Each life
Agamemnon doesn't have odessus skill
Just walks in horray I'm home
No Gods help Agamemnon in homer & Aeschylus. Got same name but very different jobs gods not in moods or in business of helping people
God's ate values of culture now
Different God's stand for different values
People justify by appealing to different values
Moral: don't start thinking as if they were same Gods