Your are always a treat. I love the calm voice that tells the stories without embellishments and leave the rest for us to imagine: young girl taken advantage off in the times where intimate relationships could kill because of all the risks, a supposed good-doer setting her up for such a life...
I found the stories of these womens lives fascinating. I love learning about history. You are very good at telling a real life story and I will watch your videos again. Thank-you!
that last story reminds me of that post where someone said they were at a club where an older man was being serviced by one of the dancers when he had a heart attack, they turned on the lights, stopped the music, paramedics were called, everything was really somber and everyone was worried and as soon as the paramedics had carried him out the dj said, over the loudspeaker, "THATS RIGHT! THE LAPDANCES ARE *THAT* GOOD!" like bro a man just died😭
Omfg I'm so sorry for laughing rn but the way you said that has me dying(no pun intended lmfao) over here and i just had to say thanks, I guess i really needed that because i feel SOOO MUCH better! But i swear it's not the content i find hilarious, i hope that man was okay eventually, but that was just fantastic, thank you thank you 😂 okay i know I'm too high when ive made too long and detailed of a comment and over shared so I'm gonna go now but I'll actually leave the comment instead of deleting this time cause maybe my future embarrassment may make someone smile and do something positive for their day no matter how trivial maybe even a lesson on not getting high before watching one of your favorite youtubers... lol
Also, i feel the need to say that with my overwhelming depression and grappling with my mortality since being diagnosed with stage 3 renal cell carcinoma i dont laugh much and definitely not like that so i really wanted to acknowlege something seemingly small to most that meant quite a lot to me and i hope that means something to you op (or is it oc?) And my need to leave somekind of good behind is probably why i had to say so much and just hope someone may come across my comment and smile at this random stranger who really got to serious and will regret being so open/ vulnerable on the internet on such a video and such a comment and bring something to their day 😊
@@kisalynx1563 hey im glad you let me know!❤️ im chronically ill as well and deal with depression/anxiety from it too. life can be so so scary with a chronic illness so im glad i was able to make you feel better🫂
Hello Forgotten Lives! 👋 I love to watch this video of these courtesan's life stories. 🥰 Thank you, so much for having another video for everyone's enjoyment. 😊
It is interesting that cancer is never mentioned in these historical tales. Considering how prevalent it is today, it must have existed. Is it possible that it was lumped in with consumption because cancer certainly does consume living bodies, regardless of species.
A lot of evidence suggests that ovarian or uterine cancer was what Queen Mary Tudor passed with explaining the phantom pregancy symptoms . An interesting story I I can remember the correct details Lady Flora from Loudon castle in Ayrshire ( where I worked in late 1990s why i remember it) was part of Queen Victorias court and was accused of sleeping with John Conroy which she denied . As she began to look pregnant QV and court at large accused her of being fallen woman. And a huge scandal ensued . She was adamant she was pure etc . Again she came home in disgrace and passed away due to a massive tumour which of course was what made her stomach look pregnant
Actually most people expired preemptively from other causes, such as infectious disease, decades earlier than we now do. So yes, cancer did exist but its ravages did not manifest as frequently as those of tuberculosis, syphilis, cholera morbidus, typhoid…
@@mkervelegan You're absolutely right. Cancer had a lot of competition back then. Antibiotics took a lot of those infectious diseases out, including leprosy.
@@mkerveleganAlso should you actually make it to a ripe old age and got cancer, there was no way people could confirm that’s what you had, they might have chalked it up to “old age”.
Please!!😏these kind of parties have been going on for centuries amongst the royals, aristocrats,rich & elites..Diddy is not even close to those degenerates of the past..first one to put it to paper in detail was Marquise de Sade & Vlad the impaler was notorious before that..modern day was Hugh Heffner & many others, so please dont act like Diddy invented this stuff..he's just a tiny piece in a huge puzzle
Hello Elke, I hope your pain subsided enough to afford you a decent sleep. 😴🙏 It's always lovely seeing you here and every wonderful narrator's comment section. 💖
@@Mattostar-z2d Hello Matt! Thank you, unfortunately i had to spend 4 hr at the hospital on Friday, and did a few procedures. Sleep was a struggle, but it's okay 😊 Yeah, i love the Flives narration style, i have been subscribed since his first video 👍 I wish you a nice weekend! Take care Matt 🤗
@@Elke-j8m I'm sorry that you had to go through more procedures. That would absolutely mess with any quality of sleep. Have a wonderful weekend yourself. Get your rest in. 🙏
@@Mattostar-z2d Thank you my friend! You are very kind🙏🏻 Life sometimes is not easy for anyone, isn't it? God is Good 🕊️ I am resting and listening to stories. Already relisten here. See you later! No need to reply ☺️💙
You always give such interesting videos, I learn so much, every time👍🏾 I've enjoyed your channel for many years. Yes, I'm subscribed and I've also told many friends about it! Thank you 💜
@@minstrelcat1951 - Heck yeah! There was no benefits back then, no job security..a woman had to think about getting older- heck yeah, a few "Sugar Daddys".. a few baubles here and there? Purchase a smaller abode..
October 26th, 2024. How marvelous. I was in Amsterdam with a 21st century courtesan, attending the Kandinsky exhibition at the Hermitage. Incidentally, she was 12 years older than I, unlike what most people would like to believe.
I love your channel. I love all the stories, and your tone of voice. I'm thinking that all these stories happened before our 1776 Independence Day. No hurt feelings, though . ❤️ from 🇺🇲.
I was a bit disappointed because you had a painting in the thumbnail of Carmen-Ida Aguado (1847-1880) duchesse de Montmorency (1860) But you didn't mention her in any way, and it was the only thing that I really wanted to watch. If you had anything about her I had always wanted to know who she was
Lucy Locket lost her pocket, Kitty Fisher found it. Nothing in it, nothing in it, but a binding ‘round it. Makes you wonder how this nursery came to be!
It’s soo weird that those men heard about her possibly killing a man from sexual activities and they were just like “damn she’s really that good, I’ll risk it 😏.” Like wtf??? Sadly I can definitely see this same thing happening now a days 😭
@@LKMNOP When Charles had to leave England to perform his naval duties, Camilla was married, many feel this was with much influence from the BRF to 'get her out of the way'. As heir to the crown, Charles did not have the option of remaining single, and a 'proper' bride was selected for him.
But these aren’t pictures of Kitty Fisher. Two of them - especially the large one used in this video are showing Lavinia Fisher - she is notorious in the states for being one among some of the earlier serial killers - not the same gal
Sorry to say, but the images you believe to be of Lavinia Fisher are actually Kitty Fisher! The main images used are portraits from famous British artists of Kitty!
@ I’m afraid I’ve seen too many videos regarding Lavinia and John Fishers from South Carolina in the beginning of the 19th century and I’d send you a link except it’s not letting me so try to look it up - I’ve seen too many documentaries about LAVINIA Finisher and her husband John Fisher who were hung as highwaymen (and woman) please look it up - one thing I do have the ability to recognize are people’s faces like they are a mathematical equation so please humour me if you don’t mind and look those two up and you’ll see the two paintings - who are of Lavinia not of Kitty. Please look it up
@ look up Lavinia and John Fishers online since I can’t sent you a link from here I’ve seen too many documentaries about them and I’m good at remembering faces especially ones I’ve seen several times please look it up yourself and go look at images since I can’t send them from here to prove my point about it being Lavinia not Kitty Fisher please look it up online or otherwise I’d send it to you myself
@ look it up online Lavinia Fisher please and then click on imagines. Just entertain it for a second then tell me that I got all wrong. I wish I could send you the link myself except RUclips doesn’t allow it please look it up - I have studied that couple - they have an interesting story- then tell me I got it wrong after
@ …. Nice…. Thanks for deleting my comments so that you wouldn’t be wrong in public! Classy! I’m unsubscribing PS. If I were the one who got it wrong and I’m the one misidentified the person you allege to be “Kitty” “Fisher” rather than Lavinia Fisher- you’d have no reason to delete my comment about who it is and who it isn’t. Because if I’m wrong anyway- what’s the point of deleting and hiding my comments if I’m the one who got it all wrong. People tend to hold those who can own it if they accidentally made a mistake - in a higher regard than people who gaslight and insist on being correct and delete any evidence to anything to the contrary. Leaves a bad taste in one’s mouth- but I bet this one will be deleted too - what’s more important? Facts? Or looking like you are right?? I suppose we all have different priorities I just lost any interest or enthusiasm for this channel in just this lovely interaction with you. Just saying.
FGS, do you think it’s possible for you to call these human beings “women” instead of “girls,” as you did in the first few sentences of your video?? He!!, you could even have added “young” to get the correct description! I’m now in the ridiculous position of actually have to point out to you that a “girl” was rarely a courtesan in those days, and even though royal girls were certainly married off as young as 7 or 8, it was typically to a boy of around the same age in a different country; the marriage was done by proxy and were not immediately consummated, due to the age of the boy. Stop using sexist appellations!!
Except they were girls at that time. And that's what makes it more tragic that they were more or less forced into this because they had no other way to stay alive.
Unless you look at paintings and engravings of the time by the artist William Hogarth you’d think that those who participated in the sex trade never suffered from STDs. However, Hogarth, who insisted on drawing real life images and not what upper society wanted to see, showed pock marked men and women who unsuccessfully tried to hide those marks of STDs under beauty patches, thick makeup and masks as well as the people who had literally lost their minds due to the effects of syphillis. The worse the disease got the the poorer the sex worker became and the crazier someone who’d lost their mind became the likelier it became that they end up in a madhouse (truly hell on earth) or sent to some discreet place in the country to be cared for and often forgotten.
Sorry, can't finish watching this...I guess freak offs were ok if they were in the past...when are going to understand this so wrong to be ok with this.
Your are always a treat. I love the calm voice that tells the stories without embellishments and leave the rest for us to imagine: young girl taken advantage off in the times where intimate relationships could kill because of all the risks, a supposed good-doer setting her up for such a life...
I love it when you post the longer videos! You have the perfect voice to listen to. 💜
Glad you enjoy them! More to come!
Just a little slow…speak a little faster and it will be more natural to listen to
@@janeharris5568 for sure!
And he's gorgeous too.....too young for me though
I really love stories like this. Please collect more!
Erudite and thoroughly researched, delivered compellingly in an engaged yet detached manner. One of the internet’s greatest treats is Forgotten Lives.
I looked up the "Hellfires" club, and even now, you wouldn't want to be connected to them💀💀
I looked them up because I just watched this video today. Yikes!!!!
I found the stories of these womens lives fascinating. I love learning about history. You are very good at telling a real life story and I will watch your videos again. Thank-you!
So glad you enjoy! more stories to come!
I absolutely love learning about history from you.
Yes!
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Thank you so much! 😊
Another excellent video! Thank you!
Absolutely brilliant. I loved learning about these women. Thank you.
So glad you enjoyed it!
that last story reminds me of that post where someone said they were at a club where an older man was being serviced by one of the dancers when he had a heart attack, they turned on the lights, stopped the music, paramedics were called, everything was really somber and everyone was worried and as soon as the paramedics had carried him out the dj said, over the loudspeaker, "THATS RIGHT! THE LAPDANCES ARE *THAT* GOOD!"
like bro a man just died😭
Omfg I'm so sorry for laughing rn but the way you said that has me dying(no pun intended lmfao) over here and i just had to say thanks, I guess i really needed that because i feel SOOO MUCH better! But i swear it's not the content i find hilarious, i hope that man was okay eventually, but that was just fantastic, thank you thank you 😂 okay i know I'm too high when ive made too long and detailed of a comment and over shared so I'm gonna go now but I'll actually leave the comment instead of deleting this time cause maybe my future embarrassment may make someone smile and do something positive for their day no matter how trivial maybe even a lesson on not getting high before watching one of your favorite youtubers... lol
Also, i feel the need to say that with my overwhelming depression and grappling with my mortality since being diagnosed with stage 3 renal cell carcinoma i dont laugh much and definitely not like that so i really wanted to acknowlege something seemingly small to most that meant quite a lot to me and i hope that means something to you op (or is it oc?) And my need to leave somekind of good behind is probably why i had to say so much and just hope someone may come across my comment and smile at this random stranger who really got to serious and will regret being so open/ vulnerable on the internet on such a video and such a comment and bring something to their day 😊
@@kisalynx1563 hey im glad you let me know!❤️ im chronically ill as well and deal with depression/anxiety from it too. life can be so so scary with a chronic illness so im glad i was able to make you feel better🫂
So there were even "reality stars" back then....ugh. Same story, different era. Always interesting ❤
The was fascinating and a pleasure to watch. Coincidentally, Camille is one of my favorite black and white movies ☺️
Great content, wonderful narration (a real person, not AI), and, best of all, NO MUSIC!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
As a courtesan, I’m surprised Marguerite didn’t know it’s only supposed to be a “little“ death
Yay! 🥳 Waking up to a new upload has made my day 100% better. ❤ from Australia.
That's fantastic to hear! 😊
Another fantastic upload 😊
Thanks again!
Hello Forgotten Lives! 👋 I love to watch this video of these courtesan's life stories. 🥰 Thank you, so much for having another video for everyone's enjoyment. 😊
Thanks very much as usual! I'm glad you liked it!
@@ForgottenLives You're welcome Forgotten Lives. It was wonderful watching another one of your videos. 🥰
There was no safety net betweeen courtesans and prodtitutes
Thank you once again for an awesome presentation. Look forward to each and everyone of your videos. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
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My pleasure!
Very interesting. Appreciated your hard work
Glad you liked it!
It is interesting that cancer is never mentioned in these historical tales. Considering how prevalent it is today, it must have existed. Is it possible that it was lumped in with consumption because cancer certainly does consume living bodies, regardless of species.
A lot of evidence suggests that ovarian or uterine cancer was what Queen Mary Tudor passed with explaining the phantom pregancy symptoms .
An interesting story I I can remember the correct details Lady Flora from Loudon castle in Ayrshire ( where I worked in late 1990s why i remember it) was part of Queen Victorias court and was accused of sleeping with John Conroy which she denied . As she began to look pregnant QV and court at large accused her of being fallen woman. And a huge scandal ensued . She was adamant she was pure etc . Again she came home in disgrace and passed away due to a massive tumour which of course was what made her stomach look pregnant
It was definitely a known thing, they suspected it for queen Mary after her false pregnancy. It's documented in ancient texts
Actually most people expired preemptively from other causes, such as infectious disease, decades earlier than we now do. So yes, cancer did exist but its ravages did not manifest as frequently as those of tuberculosis, syphilis, cholera morbidus, typhoid…
@@mkervelegan You're absolutely right. Cancer had a lot of competition back then. Antibiotics took a lot of those infectious diseases out, including leprosy.
@@mkerveleganAlso should you actually make it to a ripe old age and got cancer, there was no way people could confirm that’s what you had, they might have chalked it up to “old age”.
Imho, margaurite was lying. It makes no sense to tie her up yet kill her husband & mother. That was her getting rid of her past, imho
Always interesting, thanks.💜🎗
You're very welcome! 💜
Did Wilkes have a lazy eye or a terrible painter?
I was thinking the exact same thing.
😂
The Hellfire Club sounds like a Diddy freak off party 😮
You had to go there…🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Eeek I went there too 😂😂
Please!!😏these kind of parties have been going on for centuries amongst the royals, aristocrats,rich & elites..Diddy is not even close to those degenerates of the past..first one to put it to paper in detail was Marquise de Sade & Vlad the impaler was notorious before that..modern day was Hugh Heffner & many others, so please dont act like Diddy invented this stuff..he's just a tiny piece in a huge puzzle
Intensely interesting! Thanks for illuminating a portion of historical society we may otherwise never have known.
I've seen the shorter versions of them, but always worth watching again!
Always something to smile about, your notification with amazing stories! Thank you FLives :)
Hello Elke, I hope your pain subsided enough to afford you a decent sleep. 😴🙏 It's always lovely seeing you here and every wonderful narrator's comment section. 💖
@@Mattostar-z2d
Hello Matt! Thank you, unfortunately i had to spend 4 hr at the hospital on Friday, and did a few procedures. Sleep was a struggle, but it's okay 😊 Yeah, i love the Flives narration style, i have been subscribed since his first video 👍 I wish you a nice weekend! Take care Matt 🤗
@@Elke-j8m I'm sorry that you had to go through more procedures. That would absolutely mess with any quality of sleep. Have a wonderful weekend yourself. Get your rest in. 🙏
@@Mattostar-z2d
Thank you my friend! You are very kind🙏🏻
Life sometimes is not easy for anyone, isn't it? God is Good 🕊️ I am resting and listening to stories. Already relisten here. See you later! No need to reply ☺️💙
My pleasure!
20 pounds in mid 1700s..would be about $5,000 today?
Olde Tyme Diddy Parties.
You always give such interesting videos, I learn so much, every time👍🏾 I've enjoyed your channel for many years. Yes, I'm subscribed and I've also told many friends about it! Thank you 💜
Wonderful job ! Great depth I loved this
Thanks very much!
@@ForgottenLives my pleasure !
You know..I would have been a courtsean.
Weirdly glad I'm not the only one who's said that after becoming fascinated by them. Lol. Cora Pearl n Marie duPlessis ftw ❤
@@minstrelcat1951 - Heck yeah! There was no benefits back then, no job security..a woman had to think about getting older- heck yeah, a few "Sugar Daddys".. a few baubles here and there? Purchase a smaller abode..
Aspiring to be a whore???? Wow
Just wow
Nah... syphilis, gonorrhea, Chlamydia, gen. warts, and all that...with no such thing as antibiotics or antivirals?
@@roringusanda2837Ah,reality! 😅
Thank you ❤
Appreciate it 🙏
Fascinating histories. Thank you so much. I always enjoy your videos. Keep them coming, please!
Very interesting
Thanks for watching!
Thank you.
Welcome!
Facinating ❤
So interesting! Thank you!
Wow. We really haven’t changed at all!
Kitty was supposed to be able to converse fluently in French, and yet Cassanova stated she could only soeak English.
Maybe he exaggerated or forgot certain details
John Wilkes looks a little out of it.
😂😂😂
October 26th, 2024.
How marvelous. I was in Amsterdam with a 21st century courtesan, attending the Kandinsky exhibition at the Hermitage. Incidentally, she was 12 years older than I, unlike what most people would like to believe.
Fascinating
It's so funny that people don't see a connection to courtesans & sugar daddy & mistress situations
Of course they do. It’s not a secret.
I'm not sure why you think we don't?
And in many instances, marriage
I do
Agreed.
I found an old prostitute directory (from the '20's) for New Orleans among my grandfather's things after he died!
You might want to contact a historical Society or even a museum.
Great job
thank you for not using annoying music
Agree 💯
I love your channel. I love all the stories, and your tone of voice. I'm thinking that all these stories happened before our 1776 Independence Day. No hurt feelings, though . ❤️ from 🇺🇲.
very enjoyable thanks
Eating 20 pounds in one sitting! Quite a feat. Thankyou for your delightful videos. I love travelling back in time. Looking forward to the next one.
Kitty sounds like the Marilyn Monroe of her time
I was a bit disappointed because you had a painting in the thumbnail of Carmen-Ida Aguado (1847-1880) duchesse de Montmorency (1860)
But you didn't mention her in any way, and it was the only thing that I really wanted to watch. If you had anything about her
I had always wanted to know who she was
Lucy Locket lost her pocket, Kitty Fisher found it. Nothing in it, nothing in it, but a binding ‘round it. Makes you wonder how this nursery came to be!
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They fell out after he "scarred him during a drunken seance."
Lot of VD back then sleeping around without protection kills
It’s soo weird that those men heard about her possibly killing a man from sexual activities and they were just like “damn she’s really that good, I’ll risk it 😏.” Like wtf???
Sadly I can definitely see this same thing happening now a days 😭
Okay, fess up. Who besides me immediately wanted to get a copy of Fanny Hill??
How about La Paiva? Now THAT is a story!
How but most disliked concubine, Camilla P B
She is and was not. Stop basshing Camilla. They love eachother a long, long time.
@@lindan2836Then they both should have done the honorable thing and waited until he got a divorce.
@@LKMNOP When Charles had to leave England to perform his naval duties, Camilla was married, many feel this was with much influence from the BRF to 'get her out of the way'. As heir to the crown, Charles did not have the option of remaining single, and a 'proper' bride was selected for him.
12:01 yikes
I put offices. On both of. Their Grants
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YT censorship is out of control at this point. Someone needs to make Rumble better or Elon should create a platform similar to YT but FREE.
Musk would only make something that he could control what went into it. Just like he's doing right now with Twitter
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Where is the narrator from? His accent is do extreme it sounds put on.
Evidently you don't speak to many people with accents. Especially people for whom English is not their first language.
Court ee sian
But these aren’t pictures of Kitty Fisher. Two of them - especially the large one used in this video are showing Lavinia Fisher - she is notorious in the states for being one among some of the earlier serial killers - not the same gal
Sorry to say, but the images you believe to be of Lavinia Fisher are actually Kitty Fisher! The main images used are portraits from famous British artists of Kitty!
@ I’m afraid I’ve seen too many videos regarding Lavinia and John Fishers from South Carolina in the beginning of the 19th century and I’d send you a link except it’s not letting me so try to look it up - I’ve seen too many documentaries about LAVINIA Finisher and her husband John Fisher who were hung as highwaymen (and woman) please look it up - one thing I do have the ability to recognize are people’s faces like they are a mathematical equation so please humour me if you don’t mind and look those two up and you’ll see the two paintings - who are of Lavinia not of Kitty. Please look it up
@ look up Lavinia and John Fishers online since I can’t sent you a link from here I’ve seen too many documentaries about them and I’m good at remembering faces especially ones I’ve seen several times please look it up yourself and go look at images since I can’t send them from here to prove my point about it being Lavinia not Kitty Fisher please look it up online or otherwise I’d send it to you myself
@ look it up online Lavinia Fisher please and then click on imagines. Just entertain it for a second then tell me that I got all wrong. I wish I could send you the link myself except RUclips doesn’t allow it please look it up - I have studied that couple - they have an interesting story- then tell me I got it wrong after
@ …. Nice…. Thanks for deleting my comments so that you wouldn’t be wrong in public! Classy! I’m unsubscribing
PS. If I were the one who got it wrong and I’m the one misidentified the person you allege to be “Kitty” “Fisher” rather than Lavinia Fisher- you’d have no reason to delete my comment about who it is and who it isn’t. Because if I’m wrong anyway- what’s the point of deleting and hiding my comments if I’m the one who got it all wrong. People tend to hold those who can own it if they accidentally made a mistake - in a higher regard than people who gaslight and insist on being correct and delete any evidence to anything to the contrary. Leaves a bad taste in one’s mouth- but I bet this one will be deleted too - what’s more important? Facts? Or looking like you are right?? I suppose we all have different priorities I just lost any interest or enthusiasm for this channel in just this lovely interaction with you. Just saying.
FGS, do you think it’s possible for you to call these human beings “women” instead of “girls,” as you did in the first few sentences of your video?? He!!, you could even have added “young” to get the correct description! I’m now in the ridiculous position of actually have to point out to you that a “girl” was rarely a courtesan in those days, and even though royal girls were certainly married off as young as 7 or 8, it was typically to a boy of around the same age in a different country; the marriage was done by proxy and were not immediately consummated, due to the age of the boy. Stop using sexist appellations!!
Except they were girls at that time. And that's what makes it more tragic that they were more or less forced into this because they had no other way to stay alive.
But there were courtesans who were girls and not yet adults. That was a big appeal for some men.
Did they get STDs back then
They certainly did,syphillis and gonorrhea,were killers.But could take years to do their worst.
Unless you look at paintings and engravings of the time by the artist William Hogarth you’d think that those who participated in the sex trade never suffered from STDs. However, Hogarth, who insisted on drawing real life images and not what upper society wanted to see, showed pock marked men and women who unsuccessfully tried to hide those marks of STDs under beauty patches, thick makeup and masks as well as the people who had literally lost their minds due to the effects of syphillis. The worse the disease got the the poorer the sex worker became and the crazier someone who’d lost their mind became the likelier it became that they end up in a madhouse (truly hell on earth) or sent to some discreet place in the country to be cared for and often forgotten.
Sorry, can't finish watching this...I guess freak offs were ok if they were in the past...when are going to understand this so wrong to be ok with this.
All he's doing is narrating history. And history should never be forgotten be it good or bad.
Boring, dull narration, Good for insomniacs.
Thank you!
You're welcome!