BUILD: Toolmaker's Clamp Thingy
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- Опубликовано: 2 сен 2018
- Not sure what this is called but always wanted to build one.
Mix between a handvise and a bench clamp?
Music:
Edge of Eternity by Norma Rockwell
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I now measure in cats
I'd be more worried about maintaining all your extremities after the 2000 RPM belt of spinning death.
Hi Colin!
Oh... I should swith into cats from hammers.
+colinfurze
fur•longs
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I prefer "Bobs", because it's always so close by!
not gonna lie, the kid's design looks more efficient
True
*Pchit Pchit Pchit Pchit Pchit*
@@Bayn86 this comment is underrated
I agree
haha
Dear Old Tony
This is the first video of yours I have ever watched
Being completely unaware of your state of the art, world class dad joke shenanigans
You have no idea how much 2:25 onwards left me dumbfounded for solid 15 minutes
Thanks-ish I suppose
I just wish he told us what kind of wood he used because so far I've tried pine, oak, and rosewood to no avail
@@scottmartin7717 iron wood
@@undeadzombie7271 oh darn thanks, I'll give it a shot ;)
@@scottmartin7717 If you use walnut in the left pin and cedar in the right pin it works ok, just don't get them mixed up or you'll take out an eye.
Me too I also like the melody in the background
You know you have a good friend when you mention This Old Tony's RUclips and they love it too
You knock it out of the park EVERY time!
Isn't that hard on the transmission?
But you do the same for the cricket pitch.
thanks Mr Steele!
i read this comment in a british accent
hey hey alec I've not long subbed to you :-)
These vids always make me chuckle... the ending of this one had me laughing loud enough that i was asked to be quiet during sermon...
the wooden sticks made me think harder than they should
That's essentially how you split granite, and they're both carbon based, so... seems legit
I want to believe it
I....I still don't know
@Calvin Schuster my brain knows its fake its my spirit that wants to believe😂😂
The key is in choosing the right wood so the metal splits along the scribed lines.
I went through my cats litter tray and made a clamp with the contents, it was sh!t though.
did you not use the magnet
You went through your cat's mail, her *letter* box.
You should have tried harder....cat poop.
😂
*shit
Your videos have such a unique and enjoyable blend of technique and humor. Really great stuff!
2:23.. like .. what the hell :DDD
Highlight of my day. I needed a good laugh
"Baaaah"
So many questions!!!
How did you figure out the grain of the billet to get such an even split using the dowels? Did you have to grave both sides of the billet to get the cleave so even?
When your cat shat the rods did it make a lot of noise? Which was louder, the rods or the bearings? Does feeding the cat full fat milk help?
btw Great RnD on plastic printed circuits Ben
Good to see you got him on the tools from a young age. A bit of welding a little grinding never hurt anyone. I have been trying to get my own cat interested for a while now too.
Ever welded in the rain? Me neither but I heard it Hertz when your glove is damp.
Well, once when I was a kid I ground off the tip of my finger on a bench grinder, so...
you got 9 more so whats the problem just make sure to stop at the joint.
You're still here aint ya :)
@@Papperlapappmaul yeah i was abouta say lmao
I am not gonna lie, that kid Will take over your audience once he learns to edit and upload content
Are we really sure the kid isn't really the mastermind writing the script?
As a dad, that ending part had me crackin up!!!! Hahahahaha! Great video man
I can normally figure out your little metal cutting tricks but that dowel edit took me longer than I'd like to admit... Awesome.
Hey Tony, been watching your videos for a while now, and between you, Jody and Mr. Booth, I went ahead and taught myself TIG welding and bought a cheap little lathe, watched all you guys' videos over the past 5 years, thinking I'd just use the skills to make stuff for myself and maybe family members. Turns out there's nobody around here that weld aluminum or manually turn metal, so my cheap welder and chinese import lathe have made their investments back many times already, although pretty much all of it has gone back into tooling and precision measuring equipment, and I love doing it to relax, everything about it is so meditative and a nice change from the attitude I'm used to having to have at work (at work I have to make sure things are done FAST, with welding and machining I can calm down and make sure it's done precisely).
Having spent a lot more now on precision measuring devices, I have to say I'm pretty impressed with what cheap import machines are capable of these days. I did split my first 4-jaw chuck in half from overtorqueing (I deserve a free Abom Torque shirt) it but with their prices I guess you can't always get the best :P I do have an old Starrett depth gauge from my visit to New Hampshire last year, missing the 2-4" range, but for how little of my work is imperial it doesn't matter too much. I'm European so I hardly ever take them out except to just admire them. Thank you for all you've been able to impart in terms of knowledge, I hope you keep it up for many years to come. Next I'll have to get myself a milling machine, when the hobby budget allows for it.
I miss the video of you building the hydraulic press, I'm all for curating your video history but I really loved watching that one :(
Nice! that's the way to do it!
No, getting a reply from you, that is the way to do it. (sorry if that sounds like creepy deification I'm just trying to emulate your every way of being nothing weird)
That wet wooden dowel trick is such a forgotten art!
That turned out so beautiful!
Yours was good too, Tony.
I'm not ashamed to say.... This one made me cry a little bit...
You should do more of these collabs. An outside perspective brings more depth to subjects.
If only ToT was the one that wrote that comment...
Ok Old Tony, I’ve been seen your videos for a week and today I’ve cancelled my Netflix, because on your videos there’s Drama, Comedy, Sci-fy and romance and by the way, it’s free!
Always a good laugh with TOT. Even when you have watched the same video three times already. Thanks for sharing
I've heard of sweating bullets, but never casings... Fascinating
Much less unfired brass sans primers no less!
Revealing the secrets of CAM?!? (cat assisted manufacturing),... the SME won’t be pleased
What about CAD? Child Achieves Dampness.
Society of Meowing Engineers?
Machinist humour, a whole new genre …..I didn’t see that coming. Fantastic.
You work so hard you sweat bullets, you are a man of many talents.
Sharing the wooden dowel wedge trick with the world seems nothing short of irresponsible.
It's the same for large boulders. He didn't show how to score the breakage line, so the secret's still safe. TOT, that was close... maybe too close.
To score that line it's very simple, just use a glass scoring knife, but not the regular kind, you need to buy the one with the diamond blade that doesn't come cheap y'all...!!!
I had to explain to my wife....
I've tried 12 different methods since this video came out and still haven't figured it out. Blew up the SE section of my lab in the processes.
That wooden peg trick is so neat it blew my mind. I wanted to have a go at it because it looks like it might be of great use for some projects of mine so I tried driving out to the hardware store looking for one of those glass scoring knives but ended up heading back home a few miles into my drive after I got pulled over for having a bad turn signal. I don't want to drive until I get my car fixed so I decided to try looking on amazon but no luck. I was also told that I might just be low on blinker fluid and to try that first to see if it solves the problem. Anyone have any suggestions on where else I might look to find those things?
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I thought you were a fake account because your not verified but when I went on your account it was you why is youtube so stupid at verifying people I’ve seen channels with under 5k subs and they were verified
@@jb42jb
It's because the pasta maker collaboration wasn't verified by the Italian Pasta Authority.
Pat Bubba ah makes sense
Todays italian word of the day is pasta ill use it in a sentence:
"Hey luigi , pasta sauce! "
I wish my dad was as good at expressing love and affection and making time when we were younger as you are
As the 'Great One' [Milton Burle] said, 'you can't compete with kids or pets'. But thanks for trying. Since my NDE, I'm a lot humbler and each day I'm just happy to wake up on this side of the grass to the light of a new day, the gift of life for one more try at a day on earth. Kids and pets are just what one needs after NDE leaves you penniless and out of useful tasks each day. My Dad worked for Grumman and worked at age 19 on the F4F and other carrier planes that he would later repair on board the CA-20 during WW2 and saw many fine machinists reduced to sweeping the floor, only because of the distrust their parentage blessed them with[they were German]. Happily today, CAD is doing good work in the field, but I'm now disabled with vertigo and can't risk going near any man[or woman]-eating machine.
A well thought out and professionally made design. Made easily and with no expensive tools. Please thank your son for me.
No expensive tools,? 😡 Ain’t a milling machine expensive? I must be using the wrong tool supplier 😁😳🏴
I was talking about his son's design.
@@jimlepeu577 i think its CNC not milling
@mass 😂🤣
@@decristion CNC Mill
We all have our vices in life, but the boys seem a little young to be developing them!
The apple does not fall far from this old tree !
I would say that vises are one of the least dangerous vices. ;)
TOT must be an amazing dad. For one, his kids get to work in the shop from time to time. Also he makes them stuff sometimes. And just from the Dad jokes he makes he must be the most dadest dad ever.
I love your sense of humor, especially making ball bearings out of cat droppings. Made me belly laugh and I don't do that often enough. Thanks
I have a blacksmith cat too. Every time I make a loud noise he makes a bolt for the door.
If you can teach him to make nuts for the door too, you could start a business!
Which gender is it?
Cow Rocket thing is. My cats have all been de nutted though...
Your sense of humour is just as good as your abilities. Amazingly put together. Thanks This Old Tony
Well done. You and the dazzling young man teach and entertain with the very best… regardless of category.
Your sense of humor is the same as your knowledge of machining, mechanics, etc. LOVELY !
You are aware the rod diameter will get bigger when the kitten grows up?
OMG. That translates to either more tooling time with out Tim Taylor or, gasp. LARGER contraptions.
And a bigger spray bottle.
I use the same spray bottle on all of my cats regardless of their size.
To determine the size of the extrusion, you take a telescoping bore gauge and...
Scored good results in influencing the extrusion size by wisely choosing different sizes of that additional pepperoncino; works with kitten of both sexes and a fully grown tomcat to date;
@@manfredschmalbach9023
I wonder if a ghost pepper would have resulted in a faster extrusion but a weaker, less hardened metal.
Would my greyhound make high speed steel?
Feed him the right things and he'll make a whole bus worth.
Would it be rolled round stock if you used a circular track?
High five on that one....
i feed some to my mate and all i got was tool steel
I ate some myself, I was s***ing bullets for a week. It might be a species thing.
Best part of the video your son in the shop goggles just interested in what dad's doing and hangin out! The work holding bit was nice too
LOL all day. Went to the store afterwards with the wife and thinking about your antics, burst into laughter in the middle of the woman's underwear section. I didn't even try to explain to the crowd, just left the area.
Thanks for the Pro Tip for the left hand tap, does it also work for Allen keys? I only have the L - shaped ones, not the ┐ shaped ones that are mentioned in Ikeas hierographs..
You must have gotten one of the packages meant for Australia.
Yes, but you need to flip it both horizontally and vertically.
No, that's not the Flip transformation, that's just a Rotate. It's in the same menu though.
@klblaz - Remember that Australia is on the other side of the International Date Line from Sweden. Australia IS flipped both horizontally and vertically from the factory.
Magic left hand tap trick! Nothing up my sleeves!
Perhaps your best work,the dialogue was outstanding!THANKS!!!
Flipping brilliant! Your son is flipping brilliant!
Love watching your projects come together complete with your humor and your assistants.
A tip that I picked up from my old shop teacher is that you can just mount your cat directly in your tool holder and cut out the middle steps.
Or mount it in your 3d printer....
That's quite the machine gun, blowing the spent primers out consistently. Might make sure the firing pin isn't overtraveling.
Also check the bolt face with particular attention to the firing pin hole.
If it is oversized time for a replacement part or a rebuild.
Could just be hot loaded as well. Maybe try backing the charge down a few grains.
That would be ToT working hard, sweating bullets my friend
There is a chance that TOT could be primer actuated blowback operated, which would leave his brass without primers..
You mean sweating casings askjacob.
My son and I really enjoy these videos.
2:30 - Wait... just from some light scoring, it splits perfectly along those straight lines when the wood expands? I don't know anything about this kind of thing, but that was really interesting. What just happened there? Instinctively, I'd think that if the wood expanded enough to start pulling the metal apart, the fracture would be wherever the heck it felt like being. I wouldn't have imagined that it would follow the will of the person making the thing.
Edit: 3:50 - Alright, those are shell casings, right? Was the aforementioned split footage also a tongue-in-cheek fabrication? Was it a joke that I took literally?
Second edit (after seeing the cat poop thing) - OK, never mind to my whole entire comment.
Welcome to TOT. ;)
Yeah, he had me going for a second as well.
It is cut with EDM
😂 it was a joke. Welcome to TOT
@@Sadik15B still trying to figure out how to use dance music to cut metal. Nobody on RUclips shows how it's done
Instant classic 👌👌 great job on the vise but your jokes were purfect😂😂😂
JD Brewer lol @ purfect
Your kitten's adorable. Though I suspect that using it as a metal extruder and letting it roam your workshop might cause it to grow up to be a cyborg.
This man robot is a legendary machinist!
Got a big chuckle from the .223 cases hitting the ground 😅😂 Grrr8 video old fella
This channel is always at it's best when your building "Thingies" - BRAVO!
Always exceeds my highest expectations. The cat and your son did steal the spotlight but your editing is remarkable.
I've had a seriously sh*tty and long day at work, I've also felt ill from waking up (I feel seriously hungover, Which I wouldn't mind so much if I'd actually been drunk in the last 4 years. :( ). So because of all that I've been so very close to physically ripping customers heads off since clocking in this morning. I've come home really late (Still feeling moody as hell) and see that you've uploaded a video. Half thought I couldn't be bothered to watch this tonight, But did anyway........... I'm glad I changed my mind. I'm not saying that this one video's turned my psychological view of the world into a warm fluffy panorama of unicorns, Bunny rabbits and rainbows........ But I don't quite feel like I should skin my boss alive, then rolling him down a hill in a barrel full of broken glass, Razor wire and salt anymore, So that's a positive thing...... Right?
Anyway, Love the finished result, it looks very professional (Not that this surprises me of course, After all, It was you that made it. :) ). It's got that look of classic solidity that tooling USED to have. The kind of tool that (Hopefully in the VERY VERY distant future) will still be perfectly usable when you leave it to your son.
Also, Have to say, This video was probably the funniest one of your's I've seen in quite a while (And that can't be easy due to how high you've set your own bar in the past), So thanks for taking the time to make them, And thanks for brightening my day.
I read your whole comment. I can related whole heartedly. Sometimes I just want to burn the world to Ash...
Then I watch a video like the ToT has presented here & I'm better, not great, but better.
Reman Great reply. Funny and well said.
You are welcome to skin my ex-boss alive, then rolling him down a hill in a barrel full of broken glass, razor wire and salt any time you like. In fact.. I have a little list...
Reman1975 you have said it so well, all I can say is drink more water and sleep longer
Yes...I agree....sometimes your my hero of the day, never stop to bring the sun to us!
Sven from Germany...
Superb work, funniest machinist, strongest kitten, most skilledest (YES it's a word!) kid.
I love when people’s hands grow from the right place, and nature has not deprived them of a sense of humor. 👍👍👍
Can you recommend the best type of cat for brass?
Siamese or Egyptian. The fur colors give clues to material produced. Likewise, the Snow Leopord leaves titanium behind.
Meow type of cat works best...
@@mikes2381
No wonder they're on the endangered species list. They are so essential for the American aero-space-millitary-industrial purr defence.
A yellow cat?
Grey for steel, orange for copper, white for aluminum, calico for bronze... I have a book. Titanium ?
This old Tony...I'm tired of you film makers masquerading as DIY-home machinists; so stop it (please don't, it's one of the few pleasures I have that make life worth living).
the older you get the more tools you aquire. If i would tell my younger self what i tools i have and what i leared to do i bet (he=i) would not believe it.
Be patient, spend all your free money on tools, and one day you wake up in your own "DIY" factory ;D
TOT, brilliant, not a word said but so much learning, laughing, poetry in motion!! Thanks
I really enjoy your videos, and this one is my favorite so far. Love the cat food and litter box bit and the end was genius. I appreciate your skills, talents, and sense of humor! This video deserves an award!
TOT you are truly amazing, I have no idea what you do for a living but I am always amazed at your editing, cinematography, comedy writing, drawing/drafting, cad design and machining skills..i mean by my calculations those are like 67 different hobbies you've mastered.
He oviously slings dope
holy shit that was funny!😆😆 almost choked on my snuff spit laughing🤢
my guess is stay-at-home dad
"And you know what? your calculations would be right" read in Tony's voice. XD
"Tony's" voice.
The chilli was for heat treatment. 👹🙀🙀
At first I didn't get it, but then I was wondering, which pepper do you use? It can't get too hot, or it will cause loose stools steel.
@@A_Man_In_His_Van or Sheet Metal
@@TuckerMade lol right! At first I was wondering if nobody got the joke, but at least someone did. Cheers! Keep yer brick in a vise!
I was expecting spicy bronze.
Carbide causes constipation.
First I have to say I loved the build. Secondly I laughed when you were tapping in roll pins and the camera showed casings hitting the ground at your feet! Great content.
he was sweating bullets!
This man has the driest sense of humor and it cracks me up every time😂😂❤️
Oh Tony, if you are a handloader and have intentionally NOT made a reloading channel, I should thank you, you have done me a great service. Less time spent damaging my eyes by starring at my phone equals more time at the bench. Thanks for sharing only just enough addictive content for us to enjoy periodically.
Ok.. first time watching one of your vids.. I thought the wood split was serious.. I was like.. wtf
I think I sub
fooled my son too, just now.
Doh! I had to remind myself that it was a TOT production!
This is how people used to split large boulders in the olden days
@Micah Campbell It's a joke; soaked wooden pegs will prise apart some rocks, but not steel.
Probably iron wood
No matter how hard a day, I always chuckle and gain something from your videos. Thank you Sir.
Still watching and loving these videos! Thanks for all the effort and sharing with us Tony!
The announcement I keep hoping to hear: "Coming this summer! The first all-machining feature length film, 'This Old Tony'! Be prepared for time travel, metal cutting shenanigans, delightful plays on words, and projects guaranteed to entertain. Featuring an all-star cast of mills and lathes, both CNC and manual, and of course...Tony's hands. It's all in there, including cameos from his little shop helpers! Coming in October of this year! (No pineapples were hurt in the making of this film. Well, maybe one.)"
Your video editing is good enough and your content is good enough that I'd pay for the DVD pre-release!
Now, which movie trailer voice actor would be best? Don La Fontaine or John Leader for that epic movie trailer feel, or we could go with Nick Tate or Mark Elliot for a more family friendly, light hearted feel.
Take my money!
I think ToT knows Alan Alda
Love every second of your content Tony!! Keep up the great work my friend!!😊👊
Thanks!
That little boy has a real superhero for a father..not a make beleive..he and children under the influence of fathers like you gives our species a chance..a small chance..but a chance nevertheless..to Old Tony & his everlasting life..you both ROCKMAN😎
I can simply not believe that those wood pieces could shred that huge piece of metal !!! Truly impressive technique !!!!
Genius filmmaking and mesmerizing machining, as always.
And machine-gunning
I think he was sweating bullets
Classic TOT!
👏👏👏
Thanks JimmyD! I saw your axe vid pop up, looking forward!
When I saw Jimmy banging the axe and pick together in his video today, I was expecting a reverse T.O.T. karate chop!
Вау, давно на Вас подписан, приятно удивлён увидить Вас тут в коментариях.
@@proDIViner Translation: Wow, I have been subscribed to you for a long time, I am pleasantly surprised to see you here in the comments.
Genius of the lathe... and the humor!! :) And great father! Thank you for make me laugh!! Best regards from Uruguay!!
Watching ToT's videos after so many years is still a pleasure 😄
Because of you....I'm no longer a video lurker. Up until a few weeks ago I didn't watch much on RUclips & definitely didn't think anything was worthy of me spending the time to comment on or even subscribe to (kind of a social media introvert you might say). Then I stumbled on one of yours & now think I've probably watched all of them. Great job on all aspects of your work, I enjoy watching & learning laughing with each one. If you're not a teacher, you should be. This is coming from the self-taught CEO (Chief Everything Officer) of a custom woodwork home-based business. I'm not sure how or why people spend all the time making these videos, but I'm pretty sure money's involved somehow. It's obvious that money isn't you main focus because you don't stop every 30 seconds to promote a sponsor; something which I feel taints the value of the information as well as kills the fun factor. Regardless of how it's done, I hope you make millions along the way. Cheers
Nobody on RUclips makes me laugh & learn so much. You have a real talent and I look forward to every new video keep up the excellent work! That ending make me laugh so loud I almost woke up the Mrs at 4am. 😂
how does this man not have a million subs yet?
Old Tony, you definitely have a gift. Was mesmerized by your simple but effective machining skills and the little comic bits were, in the end, friggin' hilarious. Really enjoyed the video.
I was going to make one of these but I don't have a cat...
Use a lion, the resulting bar may need turning down slightly but you've got to work with what you've easy access to.
But you still have to find a supplier for those dowels... Sorry, magic twigs he hammered into those holes plus a solution of unicorn snot to split the part along precise EMD like lines.
Any Fe line will do.....
Sure but you have to find one that lets you give it vitamin pills extra high Cr and Mn if you want 440C from your Fe Line. Hey it's better than coffee beans from Civet cat... Just say'n
its a metric or imperial cat?
You win. Son trolling you at the end... priceless.
How lovely! How much imagination and positive! Bravo!
So I get all worked up and grind my molars watching current events and political crap then I watch a few of your video creations and always relax a bit and smile , if not out right laugh. Thanks for your work Tony.
I wonder how big a part you could get out of a great Dane?
1-1/2" for sure
But it would be a longer wait time, and it wouldn't be vibrationally hardened to be artificially denser than what you get at home depo.
A brand new pick-up truck
Well. I happen to be Great, and also a Dane. You will NOT get me to go on THAT diet though!
You could get the block from a Chevy Vega, but it takes a lot of aluminum shavings and five habernero peppers. Also, you have to bribe the ASPCA not to watch the video.
Thanks! Your videos are like a dessert. I am an accountant who has never done any metal working. (using a hacksaw to cut aluminium does not qualify). But I save your videos as the last thing I watch on youtube before turning off my computer. They have a magical way of making me feel as if I have somehow done something great, or have become a better man. dont know why- but Thanks for that!
Another accountant here. I play around with woodworking, but this was amazing!
Hey, you can actually do a lot of really cool stuff with a hacksaw on aluminum. Add a file and a decent vise, and you'd be amazed at what you can accomplish.
"using a hacksaw to cut aluminum does not qualify." No, but it is a start. Nobody is born a machinist, we all have made whopper of mistakes. The question is: Can you learn: Just what you did wrong, what could I've done better to avoid the problem. How could I do this in the future, be faster, have much better RESULTS, and avoid the BOZO(s.) If you can analyze the ongoing situation, your well on your way. Now go out buy a vise, and get started, have fun, and don't look back. :-)
Just in case anyone reading this, and is not familiar with who or what is / a Bozo. It was a TV Series: "Bozo the Clown { played by Robert Renish} (1959-1962.") Yes I'm old enough that I did watch it back in the day in BLACK & WHITE TV, when it was the only option.
Find a local maker's space and take a few classes!
First off, A Big Thank You for your service to this country. Oorah / Semper Fi Marine.
You know it is always fun and educational to watch your videos. Thanks for producing and sharing them. You have quite a talent.
This channel always gets a laugh or at least a smile. Good job Tony, you rock. Kids and cats help for sure.
I gotta say your a genius when it comes to editing. You sir are one of the best creators out there. Really enjoy your videos and the way you present them. Bravo!
I can't believe you made a fake leg jean and boot setup. That's going the distance.
Ground Control I can’t believe I didn’t realise that was a fake leg. Lol
He also edited those hammer swings to not look messy by lining them up to make them look like slower swings. It's all great.
Hands down, the best build video ever.
No matter how bad of a day i've had. Your vids always lift my spirits. Thanks for doing what you do.
Hands down the best editing work on YT.
Man alive, honestly the best chuckles of my day... Your content is great keep it up!
Thanks JB!
Man, I love your videos- a healthy balance of learning and humor
I always wondered what happened to all those chips. Brilliant!
I don't get what the issue was with the left handed tap. I'm sure I've seen you having a left hand.
I'm not so sure. Now I'm suspecting that the whole left side of his body was mirrored from the right side.
Everything left handed is special effects. *EVERYTHING*
Greg Ewing, go look in the mirror, animals aren't symmetric.
Yes, but we never get a good look at ToT's face. I wonder why? Is he hiding a suspiciously high degree of symmetry?
Say for yourself!
We had a good look at his face: ruclips.net/video/vJIzkIc_wIU/видео.html
I love your videos tony and the humor is priceless
sam robinson - not if you use Patreon !!!
Touché
Ok, I got the the tinglies when you applied the prussian blue and I wasn't expecting that today.
So smooth!
I'm dying here! You are so clever on your Productions. Who would have ever thought Machining could be so much fun?