I did Judo back in the day -- pre 2000's when it was 50/50 standing and ground. I also did wrestling in school -- for fitness and to improve my Judo -- and I tried BJJ after years later. While all sports are removed from self-defense by their rulesets, I've always considered pulling guard to be especially egregious. In the few fights I've had in real life, the last thing I'd do is pull guard. You lose the ability to run, you're asking to be kicked, you have no hope of defending from a third-party, and it isn't clear how to end the fight. Chokes and armlocks are just asking third-parties to jump in, give no time for someone to rethink the situation, and is just asking for them to lie and rejoin the fight if you let them up. Modern Judo also has some bad rulesets which affect self-defense -- turtling knowing they'll reset the match within seconds, bans on certain grips, etc.
Training with a good black belt is always a opportunity to get better. By the way, when you said you “just learned to accept” the throws I was glad, because it’s kinda rare for people to pick up that mentality. When two people train they are supposed to protect each other’s body, not resisting out of pure ego. That’s the key to improvement of not only body, but mind as well by taking care of people and cultivating relationships. Giving people a hard time to throw you is not wrong at all, but when the throw is set up and there’s nothing you can do about, let it go.
I'll watch literally any video that has chill music like this. It's automatically interesting. I was just sort of vibing the whole time, not sure what this video is even about. That white belt is pretty good though!
He’s a damn good judo player. He did a lot of standard judo stuff. I’ve tapped many bjj players with that reverse triangle- which they never see coming.
@@micaylapresley lol. I’ve caught browns and blacks with it. Purples *never* see it coming. I enter like I’m going for an armbar, which they defend, and I switch.
@NatDee-yj6nv did the opposite held one bjj guy in bjj class in kesa katame for 4 minutes I got bored. He was shocked said he couldn't move. I used to be able to pressure to hurt the guys ribs and lungs. Lack of training has hurt my hold downs and throws tho.
lmao yeah it be that way. had a big buff judo black belt in the gym and my best game is top game so i was relentless on the single leg. He’d hip toss me, i’d wrestle up back on the single and he’d hip toss me again. we did this for five minutes til he tired out and i got to mount where i rode out the next 2 minutes.
Thanks for being a good uke for Shawn. It was a nice compilation of techniques and there’s no doubt those were some hard falls to take - especially the sode tsuri komi goshi. He should have let you slap and not land you flat on your back.
Im a white belt but a long time one when playing seated guard you need weight on your legs, laying back like that means they can do what they want. Nice vid.
I'm 53 and my training days are behind me. But back in the mid-90s I trained for roughly 4 years at Gracie Jiujitsu in Torrance. These were my prime years for training being in my 20s and still having my youth. In hindsight, I wish I had trained in Judo instead. There's something about Judo that really catches my attention instead of when I watch a Jiujitsu competition. I feel Judo would have been more tailor made for what I was looking for instead of Jiujitsu. Anyway, that was the past. I still enjoy watching Judo competitions. Anyway, nice job man considering this guy Sean was larger than you.
Yeah I won't do Sode on BJJ guys because usually they keep their heads down and end up with my elbow smashing their face. Conner actually has pretty good posture. At least Sean used both sleeves; I've seen guys that don't know how to fall try to catch themselves with their free hand and it never ends well.
I always give Jits guys a hard time - im a Judoka and i feel we have a better base and balance than jits guys. I can pin most Jits guys on their back and they struggle to get me off them.
Yeah, but jiu jitsu is strong when butt is on the ground, legs in the air ( like a ... ) well, no, I'm not going to write it. Like nothing... jiu jitsu is great. I'll stick to judo, myself.
Judo vs BJJ: if the fight is on a hard surface (asphalt/concrete/solid wood planks/rocks, etc.), a single judo throw is a game over. Good luck in continuing the fight with broken bones (feet/ankles/ribs/hips/arms, they all are possibile points of contacts with the ground) or a concussion when the head is involved. Best that can happen is a paralyzing hit (stars before the eyes, dizzyness, etc) for several seconds. I saw one of these: the guy who received the throw was standing flat on the ground without the ability to speak for 10 seconds. When we started to worry (had eyes open, stopped breathing - the Judo guy was the most worried of all) he finally exaled and swore God in a whisper. It was a relief.
Judo guy at 5% seriousness. It really shows. The throw when he crashes on the opponent's belly at 4:40 though... this is intentional. Not a great thing to watch. Even the "sode tsuri komi goshi" (fish the sleeve and hip throw ) at 4:10... I have to say, it was a bit mean. When you're still gripping both sleeves while throwing, the opponent will experience pain. I had it done to me when I was younger. I fell flat on my back, and I remember it to this day. The gentleman way of doing it is releasing one sleeve before the opponent touches the mat, so he can soften his fall. A perfect judo throw is : the thrower is still standing, and the fall of the opponent is controled. Well... not everything goes as planed anyway. Good job to both.
because unlike brazilians the japanese have honor, respect and humility, they refuse to profit off the wilful ignorance of the gullible masses at the expense of their art
@@bobk480 dude, just stop, one look at a dork like this Musumeci crybaby and that's all you need to know ... allow me to demonstrate with a picture that's as clear as can be: wrestling: BROCK LESNAR, jiu jitsu: Mikey Musumeci ... like I said, all you need to know
Jui jitsu has been heavily featured in MMA for decades. Judo is one event in the Olympics. Judo hasn't been hugely featured in the most popular combat sport. It's really that simple. Some high level judoka win mma matches throwing people, and it will take off.
Took me awhile to figure this out The guy in the black gi not wearing a belt is a white belt. So this really should be tittled "Judo Blackbelt Schools BJJ Whitebelt"
It goes exactly the same against a bjj black belt. Danaher himself admits bjj standup is trash. It usually goes - judoka take down the Bjj guy with ease and then gets tapped . Let’s not pretend like Bjj guys get good at standup. If anything generally they get worse because pulling guard is a better strategy in a bjj comp and because they tend to be older guys scared to practice takedowns. I’ve thrown enough bjj brown and black belts to just have little respect for their standup game. Their groundwork is superb though. They just aren’t very good at getting anyone good to the ground without being takedown themselves
@@zartic4lifehe's the more experienced grappler by far with a weight advantage starting from his best position and the new guy's worst. Js Judo never actually beats us without some kind of secret advantage.
@@zartic4life Judo most certainly has ground based grappling. One of its main differences is that it starts in stand up so gaining the advantage on the take down is important.
@kaiser7121 That depends, some Judo schools they do spend a lot of time on the ground & some BJJ schools now where they're promoting as quickly as possible. A BJJ school I went to for a while everyone was a blue belt after 6 months, everyone who'd been there like 2.5-3 years was a purple.
All depends on the judoka man Belts don’t mean anything but respect for one’s knowledge and the ability to apply it A belt is by no means an indication of strength or skill level in other martial arts A black belt in karate for example would dawn a white belt Same goes for a high level wrestler I’ve seen guys like that mop the floor with bjj black belts who where completely out matched in their conditioning
The point is the training that you put into a guard, or a top game, means little if you cannot put yourself in the positions you have developed. Go back in the clip to where the guy in the black gi finally got to single leg X. It was a position he wanted for a long while but never got to it because his opponent just threw him and subbed him shortly after the throw. When the black gi finally got to single leg x, he got a toe-hold for a tap. Pretty handily might I add. He has skill, he is just not developed in throwing his opponent and getting to a dominant position. Which if we're being honest, matters quite a lot. Can't get to the butterfly guard you spent the last 3-4 years cultivating very easily when your opponent throws you and he's basically in side control/north-south. *THAT* is the point.
@@DeathxThexKid100 you've not told me what the point is. Can you pls tell me in a sentence or 2? You already know you're unable to get to most guards against a black belt in judo.
@@mhanif8816 Alright, here's the first sentence, and here comes the second. (Despite the fact I already told you the point.) Most BJJ practitioners have no idea how to do takedowns, or have no idea how to takedown thier opponent yet think they do; or they think they will simply get to thier game plan purely because they wanted it.
@DeathxThexKid100 So you're in agreement with what I'm saying. Against someone at that level, it's unlikely he'll be able to get to top, or utilise the guards he's proficient at. You're supporting my point. There's no value in rolling with someone where the skill & experience disparity is so large & they're giving you nothing. It's obvious that someone who has been training takedowns for Gi (in this instance) for a couple of years won't stand a chance against a judo guy with +8 years experience. So, there is no value like I said before. Tbf, your point is pointless.
@@mhanif8816 That is indeed the point, to illustrate that guard isn't the end-all-be-all. If you want the best shot at victory, you have to learn how to put the fight were you are strongest. If you cannot do that, but your opponent can, then the point I'm making is proven.
Judo throws are so badass in comparison to guard pulling.
its badass on its own
Hence why they are apart of my teams vocab!
Guard pulling is like squinting really hard instead of getting glasses.
I did Judo back in the day -- pre 2000's when it was 50/50 standing and ground. I also did wrestling in school -- for fitness and to improve my Judo -- and I tried BJJ after years later. While all sports are removed from self-defense by their rulesets, I've always considered pulling guard to be especially egregious. In the few fights I've had in real life, the last thing I'd do is pull guard. You lose the ability to run, you're asking to be kicked, you have no hope of defending from a third-party, and it isn't clear how to end the fight. Chokes and armlocks are just asking third-parties to jump in, give no time for someone to rethink the situation, and is just asking for them to lie and rejoin the fight if you let them up.
Modern Judo also has some bad rulesets which affect self-defense -- turtling knowing they'll reset the match within seconds, bans on certain grips, etc.
@@Frenchieeeee and deadly
Great training! Your humility and sincerity in showing your progress is remarkable. It seems that Sean is a very good judoka. Greetings from Chile.
Training with a good black belt is always a opportunity to get better.
By the way, when you said you “just learned to accept” the throws I was glad, because it’s kinda rare for people to pick up that mentality. When two people train they are supposed to protect each other’s body, not resisting out of pure ego. That’s the key to improvement of not only body, but mind as well by taking care of people and cultivating relationships.
Giving people a hard time to throw you is not wrong at all, but when the throw is set up and there’s nothing you can do about, let it go.
This judo guy wasn't going hard . I watched a judo competition, and i tell you the ground shakes when some gets thrown.
I'll watch literally any video that has chill music like this. It's automatically interesting. I was just sort of vibing the whole time, not sure what this video is even about. That white belt is pretty good though!
2:21 is so slick. Never seen it hit in a live roll.
Lol a fireman's carry?? 😂😂😂
Beginning: Shawn is a white belt.
End: So Shawn is a purple belt.
how about the other guy?
Judoka was going easy on him ❤
He’s a damn good judo player. He did a lot of standard judo stuff. I’ve tapped many bjj players with that reverse triangle- which they never see coming.
@Gregoristooinsecuretobetagged Everyone purple and up sees it coming.
@@micaylapresley 1) you're full of crap 2) even if you weren't most bjj a-holes don't even make it to blue lol
@@micaylapresley lol. I’ve caught browns and blacks with it. Purples *never* see it coming. I enter like I’m going for an armbar, which they defend, and I switch.
I took some Judo after my Jiu Jitsu career was over. Their scarf hold is on another level. I had to improve my escapes.
@NatDee-yj6nv did the opposite held one bjj guy in bjj class in kesa katame for 4 minutes I got bored. He was shocked said he couldn't move. I used to be able to pressure to hurt the guys ribs and lungs. Lack of training has hurt my hold downs and throws tho.
lmao yeah it be that way. had a big buff judo black belt in the gym and my best game is top game so i was relentless on the single leg. He’d hip toss me, i’d wrestle up back on the single and he’d hip toss me again. we did this for five minutes til he tired out and i got to mount where i rode out the next 2 minutes.
Refreshing to see no guard pulling
No guard pulling here 💪
Great watching you both play. Thank you for sharing!
@4:23 when Sean wraps Conner's gi to control the opposite arm to set up the arm bar. Great detail.
Used to do BJJ 15 yrs ago. Never really enjoyed it myself but I always appreciated the art form.
Thanks for being a good uke for Shawn. It was a nice compilation of techniques and there’s no doubt those were some hard falls to take - especially the sode tsuri komi goshi. He should have let you slap and not land you flat on your back.
Cool content - +1 sub 🤙
Were you doing this as a demo for Shawn? B/c you weren't doing anything from standing, like at all...
Im a white belt but a long time one when playing seated guard you need weight on your legs, laying back like that means they can do what they want.
Nice vid.
shawn then proceeds to own him
real man doesnt use t-shirts/rash under the gi. Kudos to the Judo guy.
I'm 53 and my training days are behind me. But back in the mid-90s I trained for roughly 4 years at Gracie Jiujitsu in Torrance. These were my prime years for training being in my 20s and still having my youth. In hindsight, I wish I had trained in Judo instead. There's something about Judo that really catches my attention instead of when I watch a Jiujitsu competition. I feel Judo would have been more tailor made for what I was looking for instead of Jiujitsu. Anyway, that was the past. I still enjoy watching Judo competitions. Anyway, nice job man considering this guy Sean was larger than you.
Then again, you could absolutely do BJJ now at 53..dunno about being judo-thrown around though.
Fantastic attitude and video
BJJ is just Judo newaza without all the standup etc and a little Catch sprinkled in. Judo is literally a style of Japanese JJ.
Nice that you are humble, but it looks like you're not even trying!
Dang Sode tsurikomi goshi on a beginner is brutal.
Yeah I won't do Sode on BJJ guys because usually they keep their heads down and end up with my elbow smashing their face. Conner actually has pretty good posture. At least Sean used both sleeves; I've seen guys that don't know how to fall try to catch themselves with their free hand and it never ends well.
I would love to learn Judo, but nothing near me in Chattanooga.
you can't submit what you can't throw
I always give Jits guys a hard time - im a Judoka and i feel we have a better base and balance than jits guys. I can pin most Jits guys on their back and they struggle to get me off them.
Is that where Kent Peters trains??
I don't reàly understand the foot sweeps, they look so smooth and awesome 😊
Ideally you sweep the foot when there’s no weight on it as they’re attempting to put weight on it while stepping. Something like them slipping on ice.
So Judo kicks JiuJitsu ass. Changing my discipline
Yeah, but jiu jitsu is strong when butt is on the ground, legs in the air ( like a ... ) well, no, I'm not going to write it. Like nothing... jiu jitsu is great.
I'll stick to judo, myself.
Which is which?😊
Should be called younger canadian corey feldman does jiujitsu lmao 😂😂
Judo vs BJJ: if the fight is on a hard surface (asphalt/concrete/solid wood planks/rocks, etc.), a single judo throw is a game over. Good luck in continuing the fight with broken bones (feet/ankles/ribs/hips/arms, they all are possibile points of contacts with the ground) or a concussion when the head is involved. Best that can happen is a paralyzing hit (stars before the eyes, dizzyness, etc) for several seconds. I saw one of these: the guy who received the throw was standing flat on the ground without the ability to speak for 10 seconds. When we started to worry (had eyes open, stopped breathing - the Judo guy was the most worried of all) he finally exaled and swore God in a whisper. It was a relief.
Yikes! What was the context? Self defense?
@@heartdyedpurple Just a misunderstanding between two friends that needed a little scruffle to be solved
@@vgnlda hell of a scuffle!
Judo guy at 5% seriousness. It really shows.
The throw when he crashes on the opponent's belly at 4:40 though... this is intentional. Not a great thing to watch.
Even the "sode tsuri komi goshi" (fish the sleeve and hip throw ) at 4:10... I have to say, it was a bit mean. When you're still gripping both sleeves while throwing, the opponent will experience pain.
I had it done to me when I was younger. I fell flat on my back, and I remember it to this day.
The gentleman way of doing it is releasing one sleeve before the opponent touches the mat, so he can soften his fall.
A perfect judo throw is : the thrower is still standing, and the fall of the opponent is controled.
Well... not everything goes as planed anyway.
Good job to both.
To be fair, they're doing BJJ, which means the best throw is one that lands directly in a pin.
@@kanucks9 Good point.
A belt just holds your pants
I can buy a black belt for the same price as a white belt at any martial arts supply store.
In judo the belt is earned through competition. It is not just awarded.
@@Art-is-craft exactly
That’s not a trip at 4:45. That’s an Osoto Gari! And it is devastating!
A black in judo should count as a blue or purple at least in BJJ.
At 3:00 i watch him lift his chin up into the head scissors.
Yikes! Well, it's not legal in Judo so you're safe lol
Wow almost an authentic japanese Jiujitsu
jutaijutsu*
@@SINdaBlock411it's jujutsu regardless or another name yawara or hakuda which both are older names for it
@@niledunn4641 ju tai jutsu
@@niledunn4641 jutaijutsu
Shawn passou o carro
What is your belt level in JJ?
I’m 15 so I’m unable to get a blue belt regardless but I’m a white belt as of right now
Those brutish judo bullies!
You did well for a BJJ blackbelt kiddo!!!
Peace & Love!!!
cope
And youd be a whitebelt?
Clearly blue isn't a white belt at all.
Connor needs to work on his wrestling and judo!
Dont get how bjj ever got so popular and judo died out vurtually in morth america 😢
because unlike brazilians the japanese have honor, respect and humility, they refuse to profit off the wilful ignorance of the gullible masses at the expense of their art
@@SINdaBlock411 it's not athletic. Where do I stop...I'll stop there.
@@bobk480 dude, just stop, one look at a dork like this Musumeci crybaby and that's all you need to know ... allow me to demonstrate with a picture that's as clear as can be: wrestling: BROCK LESNAR, jiu jitsu: Mikey Musumeci ... like I said, all you need to know
Jui jitsu has been heavily featured in MMA for decades. Judo is one event in the Olympics.
Judo hasn't been hugely featured in the most popular combat sport.
It's really that simple.
Some high level judoka win mma matches throwing people, and it will take off.
@@therecalcitrantseditionist3613 🤨
jutaijutsu >>>> judo >>> bjj
Congratulations for the footlock. He don't saw this comming.
Took me awhile to figure this out The guy in the black gi not wearing a belt is a white belt. So this really should be tittled "Judo Blackbelt Schools BJJ Whitebelt"
Judo has no serious ground game so he's also a white belt he just watched a lot of Gracie videos.
It goes exactly the same against a bjj black belt. Danaher himself admits bjj standup is trash. It usually goes - judoka take down the Bjj guy with ease and then gets tapped .
Let’s not pretend like Bjj guys get good at standup. If anything generally they get worse because pulling guard is a better strategy in a bjj comp and because they tend to be older guys scared to practice takedowns.
I’ve thrown enough bjj brown and black belts to just have little respect for their standup game. Their groundwork is superb though. They just aren’t very good at getting anyone good to the ground without being takedown themselves
@@zartic4lifehe's the more experienced grappler by far with a weight advantage starting from his best position and the new guy's worst. Js Judo never actually beats us without some kind of secret advantage.
@@micaylapresley tell that to Helio ... oh wait, you can't, I forgot, Kimura damn near killed him and now he's dead ...
@@zartic4life
Judo most certainly has ground based grappling. One of its main differences is that it starts in stand up so gaining the advantage on the take down is important.
Judoka's with black belt should automatically be a blue belt in BJJ. It looks so stupid
See where bjj comes from ? 😉
bro a blue belt in jj smashes a black in judo
not what the tarmac says about jj
@@gianntomasini1579 yeah sure
@kaiser7121 That depends, some Judo schools they do spend a lot of time on the ground & some BJJ schools now where they're promoting as quickly as possible. A BJJ school I went to for a while everyone was a blue belt after 6 months, everyone who'd been there like 2.5-3 years was a purple.
@@kaiser7121 In what ruleset? ADCC? IBJJF? Yes. Under IJF? No.
What he couldn't win without deceit? Also outweighs you by quite bit.
In alot of BJJ gyms I've been in. A Judo black belt is an auto blue belt. But, I suppose it's up to the school.
I’d say more than half of the black belt jiu jitsu guys don’t deserve it. Just sayin
Black Belt Judo = 4 stripe Blue belt/ Purple
😂
on the ground, wile standing it's the other way around
Most are just Bluebelt, if the guy from Kosen Judo you can put them at Purple or Brownbelt.
@@anton8267 you people only care about ground game don't you ...
All depends on the judoka man
Belts don’t mean anything but respect for one’s knowledge and the ability to apply it
A belt is by no means an indication of strength or skill level in other martial arts
A black belt in karate for example would dawn a white belt
Same goes for a high level wrestler
I’ve seen guys like that mop the floor with bjj black belts who where completely out matched in their conditioning
Genuinely, what was the point of this? The disparity in skill, whilst just putting it on the lower skilled guy is unproductive
The point is the training that you put into a guard, or a top game, means little if you cannot put yourself in the positions you have developed.
Go back in the clip to where the guy in the black gi finally got to single leg X.
It was a position he wanted for a long while but never got to it because his opponent just threw him and subbed him shortly after the throw.
When the black gi finally got to single leg x, he got a toe-hold for a tap.
Pretty handily might I add.
He has skill, he is just not developed in throwing his opponent and getting to a dominant position.
Which if we're being honest, matters quite a lot.
Can't get to the butterfly guard you spent the last 3-4 years cultivating very easily when your opponent throws you and he's basically in side control/north-south.
*THAT* is the point.
@@DeathxThexKid100 you've not told me what the point is. Can you pls tell me in a sentence or 2?
You already know you're unable to get to most guards against a black belt in judo.
@@mhanif8816 Alright, here's the first sentence, and here comes the second. (Despite the fact I already told you the point.)
Most BJJ practitioners have no idea how to do takedowns, or have no idea how to takedown thier opponent yet think they do; or they think they will simply get to thier game plan purely because they wanted it.
@DeathxThexKid100 So you're in agreement with what I'm saying.
Against someone at that level, it's unlikely he'll be able to get to top, or utilise the guards he's proficient at. You're supporting my point. There's no value in rolling with someone where the skill & experience disparity is so large & they're giving you nothing.
It's obvious that someone who has been training takedowns for Gi (in this instance) for a couple of years won't stand a chance against a judo guy with +8 years experience. So, there is no value like I said before. Tbf, your point is pointless.
@@mhanif8816 That is indeed the point, to illustrate that guard isn't the end-all-be-all.
If you want the best shot at victory, you have to learn how to put the fight were you are strongest.
If you cannot do that, but your opponent can, then the point I'm making is proven.
Fake video Judo has no submissions.
You can literally win a Judo match with a submission.
Judo is allowed arm locks that target the elbow joint and strangles.
ruclips.net/video/DiQ3IhLM8PA/видео.html
heard of KIMURA?