Cooper&Hunter Multi Zone Mini Split Installation (2020)
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- Follow me as I install a multi zone mini split heating and Cooling system in my home .
What I installed:
Cooper&Hunter 36K Btu/h outdoor condenser (CH-36MSPH230VO
Cooper&Hunter 12K Btu/h Mini Floor Console (CH-12MSPHMC-230VI)
Cooper&Hunter 18K Btu/h Wall Mount (CH-18MSPHWM-230VI)
25 ft line set (PJX-N2-C25FTW)
50 ft line set (PJX-N2-C50FTW)
Units and supplies can be purchased here:
amzn.to/30Sg3XE C&H Multi Zone Mini Split 12-18K AC Heat Pump
amzn.to/37Nyn5W C&H Mini Split Single Unit 9K AC and Heat Pump
amzn.to/2YGOE8w Line Set Outdoor Cover Hide A Line
amzn.to/3hErZlL 9K - 36K Outdoor Wall Mount Bracket
amzn.to/2UTDufG Halex 30AMP Disconnect Box
amzn.to/2UXgoEP Watertight Electrical Whip Assembly
amzn.to/3dfh26M 10-2 Gauge Wire 50'
amzn.to/2Yb0SHi 10-3 Gauge Wire 50'
When you purchase through Amazon the sellers will help you choose from a variety of indoor model types to customize the perfect mini split system for your needs. They have 5 indoor model types to choose from for single or multi-zone systems (with up to 5 indoor units connecting to one outdoor condenser). All of their units offer both cooling and heating capabilities.
As I mentioned in the video, Cooper&Hunter offers excellent technical/customer support. You can reach them at (786) 953-6706
Tools you’ll need for the installation:
amzn.to/2NbWUIl Vacuum pump kit W/ Manifold
amzn.to/3fwv6KE Manifold Gauge Set for 410A
amzn.to/3fNK7Z1 2.5" Hole Saw Bi Metal
amzn.to/2YKdJiZ Micron Meter for Vacuum Process
amzn.to/3hFuQLy 3/16"-1/2" Imperial Tubing Bender
amzn.to/30TgHEo Eccentric Flaring Tool Set
amzn.to/2BhdVhu Drill Extension Kit 1/2"
amzn.to/3hG5e0Y Fiberglass Wire Snake Sticks
amzn.to/37Ew0SK Laser Heat Detection Gun
amzn.to/2UVWbiu Oscillating tool Kit Dewalt Corded
amzn.to/2YKgil7 Auto Ranging Digital Multimeter
amzn.to/2YPtQeT Ridgid Small Pipe cutter
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Units and supplies can be purchased here:
amzn.to/30Sg3XE C&H Multi Zone Mini Split 12-18K AC Heat Pump
amzn.to/37Nyn5W C&H Mini Split Single Unit 9K AC and Heat Pump
amzn.to/2YGOE8w Line Set Outdoor Cover Hide A Line
amzn.to/3hErZlL 9K - 36K Outdoor Wall Mount Bracket
amzn.to/2UTDufG Halex 30AMP Disconnect Box
amzn.to/2UXgoEP Watertight Electrical Whip Assembly
amzn.to/3dfh26M 10-2 Gauge Wire 50'
amzn.to/2Yb0SHi 10-3 Gauge Wire 50'
So you like these better than the Senville? It seems like the Senville were easier to install, no? (especially the pipe bending).
The Senville seem to get better ratings (and more history in business).
I was going to go with Senville.. however you have me second guessing!!
There actually the same unit both midea rebadge
@@maxd4968 Any idea who is the underlying manufacturer?
Midea air conditioning manufacturer a lot of mini split air conditioners and other companies rebadge them. Senville, cooper and hunter, pioneer, mr cool, carrier, Toshiba (only time one toshiba model the rest are made by Toshiba themselves), kelvinator and midea themselves are only a few, there made in China and use Toshiba compressors there actually decent quality
you are the sole reason I ordered and installed my Senville mini split. You helped me to feel confident enough to do them myself. I installed the Senville like you did in that shop there.
me too!
Wow you posted this two years ago it walked me through my instalation now thank you so much
Hey Doublewide! We were installing our Senville units at the same time a few years ago. I'm getting ready to do two dual-zone units in our new (1890) house so this video is a great refresher course for me. Thanks for doing what'cha do!
Thanks for the long format. I watched the whole thing. Very good job. When I installed my single head unit I did use a micron gauge. It gave me an extra level of confidence that I did not have leaks.
Thanks to your video, I just installed a LG MultiF 3-zone heat/cool system. Key was underdstanding the vacuum process, which you explained in a simple way. You are my hero, bud. Thanks.
Glad it helped
I just had a Senville 24k Aura installed professionally in my home and most DIY’ers do a much better job than my HVAC people did.
As far as the unit goes and for the last couple of weeks it has met all my expectations. Just checked the temp with the unit set on 80, it is pumping out 109.5 at the head and it’s 28 degrees outside.
The unit is doing pretty well keeping the living space in my drafty ole house with vaulted ceilings and two bedrooms up stair. The unit wasn’t purchased to heat my entire house, just the living space. It’s doing great so far. I’ve since ordered a multi zone from Senville to put in some other rooms to completely replace my warn out central ducted system.
Fingers crossed. Thanks for the video. You answered the multizone vacuum question a lot of us had. Thank you.
Im a HVAC company owner and we mainly sell Cooper & Hunter. Some thoughts I'd like to share with others reading this is when doing the flare connections to the outdoor and indoor units, you MUST use Nylog gasket sealant and a torque wrench. Installing the unit yourself is great, you save thousands. Although down the road when it starts leaking, which it 100% will leak if you don't use gasket sealant & a torque wrench, you will pay thousands to charge it up every year to HVAC companies.
Also, by not using a "Micron Gauge", you MUST vacuum down to 500 microns or else you WILL have a leak. It's great to save thousands of dollars by installing your own system but when it has issues the thousands you thought you saved by doing the install yourself, you will be paying to recharge it often with great disappointment. This is why companies walk away from customer installs because:
1) We don't know where the connections are in the wall if there are any
2) We don't know the quality of the installation and cannot guarantee any leak repairs due to us not knowing if the flares were flared properly
3) If gasket sealant was used
4) If a torque wrench was used
5) If it was pressure tested with nitrogen
5) If a proper vacuum was pulled down to a minimum of 500 microns
Advice: bite the bullet and have it professionally done, spend now or later. Not to mention that any system, "specifically Cooper & Hunter, voids all warranties if not installed by a licensed HVAC company.
How does not vacuuming down to minimum 500 microns guarantee a future leak?
The down spout line hide is a brilliant idea I am going to use that technique. Cheers.
Like the fact that you do so many different things on your channel. Nice job 👍. and thank you for sharing
Yes, my channel is a wide range of improvements and repairs. Lately, I have been updating to more efficient or smart products such as my pool pumps, radon fan, and now the mini split system to try to conserve energy/save money. It all started from changing out some old light bulbs.
The best you tube video. I just did connect my four zone levella mini split watching this man .I appreciate you. thanks
Great video, Bob! We're happy you decided to go with Cooper&Hunter and hope you enjoy your mini splits!
Surprised you found my video! So far the units have been preforming very well, and we have had a few hot days. I'm looking forward to the Winter months as the heat pump feature is going to save me money and keep my house toasty.
Extremely helpful video. I am installing a 36kBTU multisplit system made by Senville. Looks almost identical to this unit. The manual mentions NOTHING about the critical evacuation and opening the charge release procedure. It is a bit tricky compared to a single zone system.
I have seen so many videos your by far the most detailed & understandable.
Wow! This video help me installing senville multi-zone! The instruction manual that was sent to me was not very clear.._And your video fills the gap when to vacuum the line and when to open the main line refrigirant.
Thanks!
I'm confused. At the 36min 30 second mark, you opened the high pressure valve and said it was Nitrogen but had text pop up stating that it wasn't Nitrogen and that it was 410a. If it was in fact 410a, didn't you just suck the precharge out of your system when you vacuumed it down? Did you have to go back and add more?
Good question. An HVAC engineer informed me that the gas was R410A (I thought is was nitrogen). Between the top service valves and the lower line valves all copper is pressurized with R410A, so the installer can tell if there are any leaks or damage from shipping. Once the main service valves (up top) are opened the full charge of 410A pressurizes and fills the line sets with refrigerant. This is my best understanding of how it works, but I am not a HVAC Tech.
That would make sense that its pressurized to make sure that the lines didn't get damaged for shipping but I believe that this 410a is part of the precharge. I really do appreciate your video because the installation manual only detailed a single unit system on the topic of evacuation but I believe the steps of opening the high stage valves prior to evacuation is incorrect. You only used two lines of the four available so I'm assuming that you had much less than the 100' of lineset. The unit is precharged for 100', so I'm guessing that's why your particular installation worked properly. If somebody was to use the full 100 feet, this video could cause them to lose some of their precharge and cost them a lot of money. On page 20 of the installation manual, in the CAUTION box, it specifically states not to open the outdoor unit's gas and liquid valves to vacuum.
Once again I appreciate your videos and I'm not trying to armchair quarterback. I was just hoping that you could edit that portion of the video if you find my statement to be correct.
After speaking with the technical support people at C&H, I still don't know if it was part of the precharge. They also didn't know what brazing was so that's a little scary.. @@doublewide6
Tavis Sweeney what you heard was 410a being released . The system should have been pressurized with nitrogen to verify for any leaks . Trying to pull a Vacuum to find leaks will actually pull Contaminants into the system . Also you should use valve core removal tool on both high and low side , this will reduce Restrictions when pulling a vacuum , a Micron gauge is required . Systems should hold at least 500 microns before Refrigerant is Introduced to the system .
What is the final verdict on this discussion? Open the valves for line sets A - B after the vacuum?
That's what I'm thinking of putting in my house. Maybe they can answer some of my questions. Great video and info.
I really like how they are able to answer any questions and they really seem to know the difference between the units that they sell. They will definitely point you in the right direction.
We absolutely can, Duke's World! You can reach out to the Amazon seller that Bob linked in his video description or call our Technical Support team directly at (786) 953-6706 for information.
@@CooperandHunterusa Thank you, I will definitely be calling!!
THANK YOU THANK YOU and THANK YOU!!! you are on of the first ones to show a MULTI-ZONE VACUUMING process. All the others have just shown vacuuming process for a single zone mini split system... and you nocked it out! I'd been looking for these type of scenarios.... and by the way.... I have the exact same C&H 36 BTU system; but instead, I have purchase it with 2 9000 BTU heads and one 24000 BTU head. Just one question.... are you sure I can just open up the connections down below (not the service connectors) so I may vacuum the line sets? Again, thank you so much!
Knowing to vacuum the main manifold connections is exactly what I needed! Thanks.
Excellent video, and you present it with such cool, calm and simple explanations that it took the stress out of doing my system by myself. Thank you and keep it up!👍
Also... Don't fully pressurize system before removing guage. Just a little above zero... That way when gauges are removed, there is minimal burst VS full Burst
This is a well-made video cooper&Hunter would be proud of you. Definitely make a second video showing how much money you save by installing everything.
Thank you, I will look into a future video for sure. I am noticing that compared to my central air and heat pump system, I only need to set the thermostat at 74* on this C&H unit. My central air thermostat is set at 71* which is telling me I am loosing efficiency through the duct work of my central ac unit.
about a grand. =)
Good job .Using same brand Air-conditioner working welll 5 years
We're glad you hear you've had a good experience with our brand, Alex!
Yes, I spent some time doing research and I wanted a company that made commercial products as well as residential. These units are well made, I believe meant to hold up over time. It is good to hear yours is working well for you.
I've installed 2 C&H mini splits (actually the same model in the same location, as a power surge fried the first one). I watched all of the YT videos, and it's all very easy, except for one thing... When I remove the blue vacuum line from the service port, I get quite a spray of freon (or whatever it actually is), and I have not figured out how to prevent that. In this video, the gauge remains connected after releasing the freon, which is nice in that you can check the pressure when it's running. But that big spurt of freon when disconnecting the line probably means that the reality is somewhat different than what I observed on the gauge. In any case, I have a short line of copper tubing (only about 8') so losing a little freon is probably no big deal. But, it is something to be aware of when doing the install...
That was very informative. I watched your other video too. I’m doing my second system also. Your videos have helped me so much. Thanks 👍
Great video! Made it look simple. I'm ready to install mine today. Thanks!
Good luck!
Bob you did a great job on the installation of this unit and explaining everything. Everything you did looks very professional. Great job on the video this should definitely help some people wanting to buy one of these units and installing it. Hope all is well with you and the family. Stay Safe. Stay Healthy. God Bless!!!
I tried to explain everything as simply as I could. I get many questions and inquiries, so I tried to spell it all out in the video. My family is doing well, we hit a milestone my son has just passed 3 years off cancer treatment which lowers his odds of relapse statistically. Thanks for being such a supportive subscriber. Stay safe. Bob
@@doublewide6 Praise God About your son that is great!
@@doublewide6 Good luck to you and your son Bob!!
incredibly helpful!! maybe you can provide a little more discussion or another video on "high" and "low". thanks again!
Most detailed video yet. Bravo!
I used plastic downspouts to hide the tubing, condescent drain , and signal wire. $15 for 10 feet I cut to length then split the back with scissors
Just to clarify a shutoff valve on the vacuum hose is a good idea to isolate the pump from the system and leave the gauge connected. The pump will end up leaking down. Some of the units are setup different and only have the lower valves which in that case releases the R410a not nitrogen.
I believe the adapters are 3/4 to 5/8" The original nuts are engraved with 5/8" Hvac is sized by the outside diameter of line. Not inside like plumbing
I'm really confused as to how the king valves on the individual zones audibly released refrigerant, yet there was no pressure when you went to vacuum these lines.
Where did that refrigerant go? Were those lines actually vacuumed? I would expect NO refrigerant to be in those lines prior to opening the main king valves on the top. Right?
Thanks ! Great video I just installed mine and don’t remember hearing any gas escaping maybe damaged in shipping? I vacuumed line’s and waited 4 hours and my gauge went up. Have to troubleshoot mine too.
Great video. Extremely helpful with my CH installation!
Hi, why did U choose Cooper and Hunter instead of Senville ? Thank You
Hey. Great video. I’m did the install but now the lines ice up when I try to run the ac. The vacuum was good and held. Idk what to do.
When you opened the two valves from top. Were the 3 lines bottom open ?
I wish I could be comfortable at the temperature you said you like in your bedroom. I can't sleep very good unless my room is 62⁰. Thanks for the video! I've watched a few installation videos and they stopped before showing how to vacuum and charge the system. Some of the people did like a three or four part video series but never did the final part. Is that vacuum/pressure gauge set for automotive? I have an automotive one but not sure if it will connect with the unit without buying extra fittings
How does the Cooper&Hunter compare to the Senville you previously installed?
I thought u would've vacuumed into one of the lines below. Not up where u turn to let the freon out. Will it work to vacuum at either spot?
Was wonder what part of the country you’re in ? How does the the heat work? Does it blow cold air? Would you buy this brand again
Each line set has its own service port. I would connect to each and vacuum to test for leak on individual line.
Would you pull the vacuum individually with the valves open high and low? Then just put shrader back after pulling vacuum 300 micron? Individually. Do you pull a vacuum on the main king valve post at the top or no?
@@nazariocruz4663 I suggest to contact the manufacture support for precise instruction.
Again, thank you for your great video(s) so instructive. Quick Qn. Let's say I installed the same unit 36KBTUs and installed only 2 head units and working... but 2 or 3 moths later I want to add another head to have a total of 3 head units. How do I vacuum the 3rd one without risking/compromising the gas is already in the initial 2 line-sets?(head-units) ? Thanks in advance.
You will have to add enough gas for the additional units and line sets. A calculation must be done. These units come with enough refrigerant for 75ft of lineset
Good question
hi great job and thank you for the video! I have a question! Under the tools needed for the job, you listed the manifold kit as well as the manifold gauge set for 410. Would I need to get both or just the Kit itself will be fine? Thank you!
Excellent, thank you so much. This video is exactly what I need to install my 2 zone mini split. Thank you also for the tool list. I will be attempting to do all of this myself. If I mess up then I will get a professional in to do the charging. I will skip the nitrogen step as well as I can't seem to find a nitrogen tank anywhere.
There is just one question I have. When you unscrew the valves with the Allen key do you leave them unscrewed in operation? I wasn't too clear on that step. I suspect they are left open.
Thanks again for a great video!!!😃
Love your use of drown spout(s) to hide the line set. Were you able to run both line sets through the one downspout?
Why did you buy a condenser with four outlets If you are only cooling two rooms?
Were you required to get some sort of fed or state certification before you could install the system? And did you put anything on the copper pipe ends before connecting them to the AC system (Teflon tape, locktight, etc.)?
Hi Doublewide,
I was installing a Fujitsu 24,000 BTU Multi-Zone (3 rooms) last 4 months ago and running it without vaccum.
Now, some people tell me to release out all of gas from the system, recharge full amount gas following the instruction label that is pasted outside of condenser.
So can you show me what service port I have to use to release out the gas, because my fujitsu looks different from your CH Mini-Split.
Thank you.
Vacuum portion starts @ 34:10
I have a pre-charged line set that has been vacuumed and filled with R-410a refrigerant from the factory, but I need to shorten its length.
Once I'm done shortening the line set, and since the lines are factory pre-charged, is there anything special I need to do aside from vacuuming the lines and checking the microns before releasing the R-410a refrigerant from the condenser?
Thanks for sharing. Why did you choose not to use a torque wrench?
Thank you for sharing best video my dear
Just a heads up you can take the cover off the indoor unit to run the copper tubing and communication wire without having to fight the unit and the wall.
How did you do that? Would love to know as this was hardest part for me - thanks!
i need a 50ft line set but dont see the communication wire included. where did you buy yours with the comun wire included
I installed the same system but the bigger module cools great but the smaller one blows but does not cool at all.
(There is no error code when they are both set to “cool” but it displays 2 dashes if they are both set to “auto” so I keep it at cool.)
PS I just installed this the other day and it has been operating this way from the start.
How much copper do you typically leave past the flaring tool before flaring? There seems to be a wide range of opinions.
Still in service? Supposedly C&H void warranty for diy installers. Lots of terrible reviews about them.
Great install! Please let us know the difference you receive in the energy cost vs traditional unit. Thanks!
Great suggestion! I should save close to 40* over traditional heat pump HVAC. No ducts no leaks, only cooling or heating the zone you want to, and inverter technology is where the savings comes from.
Great idea, I'd love to know as well.
I know this is an old video. Normally, people don't open the valves. But I guess since it's a multi unit system, that's why.
I could use a little help. The C&H installation manual is pretty vague. I'm trying to sort out the power lines for this thing. I have two of the Sophias in two different sizes,--both are 240V. I see that you have three lines feeding the power--one ground, a black, and a red. I assume that the black is your 'neutral' line and the red is a straight 240V line--not two out of phase 120V lines. I'm assuming that you are grabbing the 240V off your master CB box by taking a single line off a dual pole CB? Many thanks. You have one of the better videos on these puppies. Mine are more complex as they are ceiling mounts, so I have greater wire and line runs, plus I need to have a drain for them for the evaporative moisture. I really like your idea of the pseudo "downspout!"
Double pole breaker with black and red hot, white neutral and ground. Drain the ceiling unit in the soffit where the venting is behind the gutter, or tie it into a drain vent line going through the roof.
Really should have used a torque wrench they have pacific settings so you get it exact and don’t over tighten or under tighten
how does the blue gauge read, if you close the knob?
Exactly lol
@@lotfyken2759 Blue gauge is always connected to the blue line. Closing the blue knob only disconnects it from the middle interface so now the gauge and line are isolated from the other side.
That is one heavy duty compressor stand.!!
Thanks, it was a fun project to fabricate.
Would you sell a set of those homemade mounts?lol Great job they look nice/
Another awesome video. Cooper Hunter or Senville? Which is best for both ease of install and quality? Thank you.
Cooper and Hunter their support is 2nd to none. My units have been working flawlessly. We love them.
They are the same. Both are rebranded Midea units.
Where did you get the adapter (Schrader valve) at?
Great video, Bob thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Hi you didn't show me the connection to to the second indoor unit
Awesome Video, I have the same exact config but with Pioneer. I am gearing up to install but wondering if the vacuum and refrigerant release procedure is the same for Pioneer Multizone; the Pioneer manual is a bit cryptic and says the common valve must be opened before the circuit valves which is opposite of your procedure. The two brands look identical in every way. Both are pre-charged and have the same manifold, dimensions and almost identical manual. Any insight?
Just got off the phone with Pioneer aka ParkerDavis...the proedure is exactly the same. This video is good reference for Pioneer Multi-zone mini split.
The machines are configured the same way.
I have a question : How do lawn mowers charge the battery? My tractor only has a starter and magneto (ignition coil). Do they even charge the battery? I have an old Rally 10 hp , Briggs&Stratton engine.
There is a stator under the flywheel that picks up a magnetic pulse from the spinning flywheel and it converts the electrical mechanical power to charging power.
@@doublewide6 Thank you! And do the charging wires come out behind the starter, where does one wire have a diode?
awesome video. thank you
Great job
What is the size is the adapter?
Nice job 👍 sir
Thanks 👍
Thank you
Is that the same way for protecting against rain and snow?
yes.
By closing your blue valve all you did is check you blue gage is not leaking
blue gauge cannot be disconnected from blue line. Closing the blue knob just isolates them from the middle of the manifold.
I think those warranty requirements would be illegal based on Federal warranty regulations. They can't require you to register the product for 1 thing I know.
I'm pretty sure you are right, if you install without a license hvac you lose your warranty all together
@@johnhicks3885 But that warranty requirement may not be legal.
Let's keep it honest cooper and hunter,, if someone installed this unit without using a licensed hvac, then you void warranty!!
Good video.
Thanks for the visit
You should aways use nitrogen and micrometer
I couldn't rent it from any rental store. So I figured I will do it myself and it it does not work then pay someone to come in. I did gamble on it, but it has been 6 months and it appears I won.
You were supposed to pull the vacuum before you pull the vacuum
Like the vid but the flood of ads is getting to be too much.
Use a youtube ad blocker,
It is youtube, they place the ads. Sorry.
I wanted to see two indoor units installed in a two separate room situation with the mini split like 18 K. 9 k/ per room
I would never do it that way
How many things that were done in this video that are illegal in Australia
💫✨everything✨💫
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Noch komplizierter gehts wohl nicht, vollkommener Schwachsinn.
thanks
Hire a professional!