Redodo 200Ah Plus 12v LiFePO4 200A BMS Lithium Battery Review

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  • Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024

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  • @HOBOTECH
    @HOBOTECH  Год назад +11

    GET THE 200AH PLUS: gohobo.io/redodo200 use code HOBO3 for site wide discount.
    (10/25/22: discount in the video has expired)

    • @dominique___1980
      @dominique___1980 Год назад

      Not sure what "OFF40" is supposed to do, but it doesn't do anything for me.

    • @HOBOTECH
      @HOBOTECH  Год назад

      Works for me...
      Redodo 12V 200Ah Plus LiFePO4 Battery | 2.56kWh & 2.56kW
      OFF40 (-$40.00)

    • @dominique___1980
      @dominique___1980 Год назад

      ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - I'll give it another go

    • @rigobergwolf5788
      @rigobergwolf5788 Год назад

      @@HOBOTECH is there a code for Germany, too?

    • @clintonkirker5154
      @clintonkirker5154 Год назад

      I bought my first battery using your discount code and not even 2 weeks later found the exact same battery on Amazon for $649.99, so I bought a second battery. I have them connected in parallel using a 24” 0/1 cable, I am using a Renogy rego 60 amp charger set at 20 amp. By default Most of my accessories are connected to my starting batteries except my 12 volt cooler, which I wired directly to the redodo battery bank . The rego has a reverse charge feature and does very well keeping the starting batteries above 12.4 volt 12.4-12.7 and although convenient, I feel that the price I paid for the charger was a bit extreme. By the way, I am an over the road truck driver in a 2019 freightliner cascadia. I also have 2-175 watt panels on the roof of the truck. I did all of this to save a little fuel on down time. I honestly believe I will receive a return on the investment in just a couple of years of using the set up.

  • @clarencewiles963
    @clarencewiles963 Год назад +26

    Thanks again, you know your reviews are forcing the manufacturers to improve.

  • @SandiRose2008
    @SandiRose2008 Год назад +11

    Hahahaa!! I always watch to the very end to see Odie. I got a laugh out of watching Data too!! Thanks Professor. Another excellent review.

  • @jasonbroom7147
    @jasonbroom7147 Год назад +19

    I think it's safe to say nobody provides more "Data" in their videos than you do...do. That's a heckuva deal. Just a couple years ago it was common to pay that much for a 100AH, 12.8v, LiFePO4 battery, so the per watt-hour price has dropped by almost 50%.

  • @ginatulip8679
    @ginatulip8679 Год назад +2

    Hobo-can you do a video on how to hook up and charge this battery using another sogen, like a bluetti or ecoflow?

  • @shaunhall960
    @shaunhall960 Год назад +9

    ZZ Top never grows old for me. Thanks professor for all the years you have put in reviewing products for us.

  • @FarrellMcGovern
    @FarrellMcGovern Год назад +3

    Another possible pronunciation would be "RED" "ODO", which would be for Star Trek DS9 fans.

  • @j.malone1293
    @j.malone1293 Год назад +7

    Yay, the professor likes my battery. I have this one in my preparedness setup and was impressed with its specs and the way it tests for me. Thanks for the good review.

  • @traviss589
    @traviss589 Год назад +5

    Love your videos brother! Thanks to you we are better prepared for the coming shit show!

  • @hroman5
    @hroman5 Год назад

    LOL, you're much, much more Tech and much, much less hobo these days. I love it!

  • @Sylvain3342
    @Sylvain3342 Год назад +5

    I have the Zoom 300Ah for my rv since spring, no regrets it perfect with 2 Victron MPPT and smart shunt!
    Nice review !

  • @timh8543
    @timh8543 Год назад +1

    Will a 30amp charge controller be sufficient to charge this battery. Thanks

  • @terrywhi
    @terrywhi Год назад +1

    I bought two of them first one was 665.00 shipped and the second one was 553.00 shipped to me this was in March of 2023 I have not put them to use yet

  • @Joe-qu6er
    @Joe-qu6er Год назад +4

    I have two of them!!!! During the entire process in building my sytem, Lillian(Staff at Redodo) guide me step by step. I haven't had any issues at all with this batteries, the best customer service!!!

  • @MikeandBonnieAdventures
    @MikeandBonnieAdventures Год назад +4

    I purchased 4 of these for my RV in a series/parallel 24v to my Victron Multiplus II. I asked for best connection config chart that they sent to me immediately. I absolutely love these batteries!

  • @maddeusdoggeus1
    @maddeusdoggeus1 Год назад +4

    Hobotech Thanks again for a great video and all your advice👍
    Can we hook one of these up to the 12 volt battery charging cable for the Bluetti AC200???… I remember it said for 12volt lead acid batteries.

  • @chrissinclair8705
    @chrissinclair8705 Год назад +2

    The good thing about this battery is it's "Younger, Bolder, Stronger" unlike those old timey baby boomer LiFePo4 batteries. Damn dirty hippies! Cut your hair and get a job!

  • @blinkbob5550
    @blinkbob5550 Год назад +3

    Terrific video! I purchased 1 x 200ah plus battery from their official website, the price is well worth buying.

  • @johntate5284
    @johntate5284 Год назад +5

    Re doo doo, I love it! Great battery and review too!

    • @stxrobstar
      @stxrobstar Год назад +1

      🎶Re doo doo doo!🎶
      🎶Re daa daa daa!🎶
      😆

  • @arminius301
    @arminius301 Год назад +2

    Excellent review of a smoking deal on LiFePo4 tech battery, probably the best deal out there, except the name of the company is Redodo-nculous. If BattleBorn doesn't lower their prices it'll be the downfall for their company. Anyone who has enough knowledge to put together a small off-grid system would be foolish to hesitate harvesting solar energy to run your own system! PG&E (Northern California) racketeers have been taking people to the cleaners this summer in their outlandish pricing, absolutely nuts. Thanks for posting!

  • @williamparker8318
    @williamparker8318 Год назад +3

    Good review, like the humor at closing. Cheers.

  • @rampart1234
    @rampart1234 Год назад +2

    I think it's Red Odo. Remember Deep Space 9?

  • @luctessier2215
    @luctessier2215 Год назад +2

    Nice review, would be great to see how it does with 150 to 200 amps continuous over a few cycles.

  • @Sally-ft2sx
    @Sally-ft2sx Год назад +2

    Very good. I bought 2 of the 12 volt 200A from website and they gave me 3% off a pair.

  • @lyfandeth
    @lyfandeth Год назад

    Send that battery to Will if you don't want to do a teardown. I like to know what corners might be cut inside.
    SOUNDS like a great battery, but has Redodo been around long enough to make it likely they'll still be here to honor that warranty? Does it require shipping back to China?

  • @davidcarlisle6244
    @davidcarlisle6244 Год назад +2

    Red - Odo (not the shape shifter)

  • @Liimpy
    @Liimpy Год назад +1

    Man,thanks for saying the doodoo doesn't need any special equipment, I've been hesitant to change from my x4 golf cart batts because i dont want to rebuild my entire system.. 🤘.. definitely going to order a couple

  • @brucesimpson8579
    @brucesimpson8579 Год назад +3

    Hobotech certainly stepped in it with this video.

  • @jc6077
    @jc6077 Год назад +1

    I bought this battery 2 months ago on Amazon. Very happy with my purchase. It’s worked perfectly for my off grid cabin. Microwave, fridge, etc…no problems!

  • @nancyflight6316
    @nancyflight6316 Год назад +1

    Love your channel. These look really good I'm looking to getting a wind and solar set up for my house because of electric and gas keep going up and possible roaming black outs, etc. I was looking at your website, but everything is more geared to RV life, camping, and portable generators, etc. Have you considered expanding to whole house type systems? I've been looking at a few at the "Missouri Wind and Solar" who also have a RUclips channel and decent hybrid systems around $3,000 depending on the customization. I would love to see you review some of their hybrid systems and recommendations for compatible charge controllers (ones in the combo kit are not compatible with lithium batteries). I truly respect your opinion due to your diligent testing of products. Also, do you know how long your code will be active? They have free shipping available until October 28th (still have to pay tax) and would like to get a couple, but still figuring out which controller to use.

  • @loucinci3922
    @loucinci3922 Год назад +3

    Beastly battery. Thanks for sharing

  • @FurrBeard
    @FurrBeard Год назад +2

    The thing that bothers me is the wasted volume, considering they sell a 410Ah version in the same case.

    • @msytdc1577
      @msytdc1577 Год назад

      They are quite similarly sized, but they do not use the same case, and the 410Ah is both taller and wider. The 200Ah model dimensions are 20.5 x 9.37 x 8.54 inches (1,640.4 cubic inches), and the 410Ah model dimensions are 20.47 x 10.59 x 8.66 inches (1,877.3 cubic inches).

  • @Tommyr
    @Tommyr Год назад +4

    I got Enjoybot's version of this battery and it's awesome. Might be made by the same company actually. Same handles, terminals, etc.

  • @s.mendez7160
    @s.mendez7160 Год назад

    Interesting battery. However the Neg bus leads are soldered to the BMS. A potential Red Flag in high current conditions...

  • @hermanharris5329
    @hermanharris5329 Год назад +1

    Nice review. But come’on! The Data voiceover was superb!!!!

  • @changeofaddresssss
    @changeofaddresssss 5 месяцев назад

    What is the best AC plug in type charger for this battery?(specs)? i chose 12v 6a AC battery charger but thats wrong

  • @marcfruchtman9473
    @marcfruchtman9473 Год назад +1

    Great review. Looks like a solid product. Thank you for the video. Loved the Data snippet....

  • @dogzdad123
    @dogzdad123 Год назад +5

    Professor: Your product reviews are always informative and entertaining!
    The videos are morphing into MCU movies, where you “have-to watch” the pre-end credit scenes to drop down laughing.

  • @cluuck4617
    @cluuck4617 Год назад +1

    So running over the amp capacity of your RV alternator isn't an issue with charging?

    • @btwbrand
      @btwbrand Год назад

      Alternators don't push more amps than they are capable of.
      If the battery can take a 100 amp charge and your alternator puts out a max of 80, then the battery will only charge at 80 amps.
      Alternators are made to handle high amperage charging as long as they have enough speed to keep cool.

  • @BOOSTEDLASER
    @BOOSTEDLASER Год назад +2

    @JEDIMASTERHOBO ANY EASY WAY TO HOOK THIS UP TO MY NEW PECRON E2000 TO KEEP IT CHARGED?

    • @shawnnn3
      @shawnnn3 Год назад +1

      I have one and would like to know too. Thank you.

    • @shawnnn3
      @shawnnn3 Год назад +2

      Have one coming.. cheaper than add on battery for$1498

    • @BOOSTEDLASER
      @BOOSTEDLASER Год назад +1

      @@shawnnn3 CHIME IN HOBO !

  • @DIYOutdoorLife
    @DIYOutdoorLife Год назад +2

    Hey Tom, as per the drop in argument. How are the cells going to balance with a standard LA converter/charger on the RV?
    What about the alternator issues- low idle overheat, long duration overheat, fly back spikes etc? Every test I do shows 80% SOC is the realistic max. The remaining 20% takes days with the standard WFCO.
    Although I loved your use of the word flotsam, I’m baffled that you would recommend drop in without at least using a DCDC on alternator.

  • @MkatekoChestar
    @MkatekoChestar 3 месяца назад

    Even 12v Gel Battery can wake it up if the BMS has shut down?

  • @cmyanmar13
    @cmyanmar13 Год назад +1

    The lack of low-temperature protection on such an expensive battery is kind of ridiculous.

    • @wallacegrommet9343
      @wallacegrommet9343 Год назад

      Most of these cheaper batteries lack low temp protection.

  • @jaykingsun7093
    @jaykingsun7093 Год назад

    Sorry, I'm just not going to buy anything that sounds like a wish product.

  • @LOT9T
    @LOT9T Год назад +2

    That is a big ass battery Dr. Hobo!

  • @truesimplicity
    @truesimplicity Год назад +1

    My new favorite Solar channel, great format.

  • @PierreBergerqc
    @PierreBergerqc Год назад

    If I well understand... I do not need to change the converter of my RV to recharge this lithium battery? I thought a special converter was needed for lithium battery?

    • @HOBOTECH
      @HOBOTECH  Год назад

      Nope. As long as it charges at least 14.4v you don't need anything special.

  • @quartamile
    @quartamile Год назад +1

    Thank you. I'm not seeing where you're testing the low temperature cut off, or did I miss where you already know it doesn't have one? Or maybe it has heaters? Do you ever test low temp cut off, by placing in a freezer or disassembly? It's a critical factor. Thank you! 🙏🏽✌🏽

    • @HOBOTECH
      @HOBOTECH  Год назад +3

      I said it doesn't have that.

  • @mcdanielsw
    @mcdanielsw Год назад

    What's your thoughts on the Goal Zero Brand? I don't think I've seen any reviews on your channel for them. Just Curious.

    • @HOBOTECH
      @HOBOTECH  Год назад +1

      Overpriced box store trash

  • @stevewhite9813
    @stevewhite9813 Год назад

    No one is talking about the music........the price is right.

  • @CFArmouredCrewman
    @CFArmouredCrewman 11 месяцев назад

    Is there anyway to access the BMS data?

  • @MalaysiaKualaLumpurKL
    @MalaysiaKualaLumpurKL Год назад +1

    Best battery channel ever,so cool

  • @maddeusdoggeus1
    @maddeusdoggeus1 Год назад +1

    “I say Redoodoo and you say Redadoe” 😆😂🤣👍

  • @denvera1g1
    @denvera1g1 Год назад

    I cant really tell how far away your IR thermometer is from the battery but for anyone using them, it is important to know that these contactless thermometers are not lasers, they take in thermal information from their cone of vision, and then average it, which means if you are 5 feet away from something, like a sparkler at over 1000F, but the background is 30F, the thermometer is probably going to read somewhere around 35-50F
    What annoys me is that this information is usually not on the device and only in the manual, who keeps/knows where that is when you're trying to stay as far away as possible from something that could be dangerous to be next to.
    My rule of thumb is to hold it an inch or 2 away from whatever i am trying to measure, and if it is reflective, first place a layer of black electrical tape over it for a minute or 2 as the thermometer tends to only measure the reflections

  • @johnnyboycrypto
    @johnnyboycrypto Год назад

    I messed up and did not notice I bought 2 batteries 1 is 12v the other 12.8v can I still run them both together or do I need to exchange 1 so they both match?

  • @JorgeLG
    @JorgeLG Год назад +1

    Can I charge it from the 12v outlet of the solar generator??

    • @HOBOTECH
      @HOBOTECH  Год назад +1

      Sogens aren't battery chargers.

  • @DesertAdventuresinArizona
    @DesertAdventuresinArizona Год назад

    I bought the standard (not Plus) version and use it in my garage to run a swamp cooler at 200 watts all day long (with Solar).

  • @Joey-kv6qr
    @Joey-kv6qr Год назад

    Its pronounced (Red-odo) now you have to Re -doo doo the whole video jk lol - Strange name for a battery the price is very good though I've seen 100ah batteries for the same price

  • @MiningChef
    @MiningChef Год назад

    Haha you do have to change your controller to fully charge it

  • @dennissmith5999
    @dennissmith5999 Год назад

    What is the self discharge rate with BMS on but no load? If an Rv was left parked long enough with the battery connected wouldn’t the BMS eventually completely discharge the battery to the point where it wouldn’t reboot?

  • @jenschristiansen9490
    @jenschristiansen9490 Год назад

    Hello, Does a solar to battery to 400V-DC CCS system for EV charging exit?

  • @jochenkrebs9685
    @jochenkrebs9685 Год назад

    That´s a very good prize. In Germany the same cost 989,99 Euros !!!

  • @sunshineprogamer
    @sunshineprogamer Год назад +1

    HI, question, is there a way to use this or any other battery (other than the official Ecoflow batteries) with a Delta Pro unit, I recently bought one and I would like to expand its capacity but looking for alternatives, if possible. Thanks in advance!!

    • @worldcomicsreview354
      @worldcomicsreview354 Год назад +2

      I'm planning on using similar batteries with a Bluetti, just charge from the AC ports, and recharge by plugging the AC adapter into a seperate inverter. You lose some power both ways through the conversion, but you save a hell of a lot of money!

    • @jasonbroom7147
      @jasonbroom7147 Год назад +2

      In addition to using a full-on AC inverter (which has efficiency losses on both ends) you can simply use a boost converter to get whatever voltage the EF Delta Pro wants to see. It's not rocket science, but you do need to know what you're doing.

    • @sunshineprogamer
      @sunshineprogamer Год назад +1

      @@EfficientRVer Yeah, that's why I'm asking, because idk. Maybe the professor could enlighten me with a video on how to DIY this.

    • @jasonbroom7147
      @jasonbroom7147 Год назад +1

      @@EfficientRVer - If they know what they're doing, they pop a fuse or resettable breaker. It's really not THAT complicated.

  • @_GntlStone_
    @_GntlStone_ Год назад

    Red Odo (colorful Star Trek) character is how I've been pronouncing it.
    I've been looking at this one.
    Love that 200 Amp charge/discharge rate.
    Just wish it had low temp disconnect.

  • @lazurm
    @lazurm 11 месяцев назад

    My experiments with the Redodo, the same one, didn't even nearly jive with your data...until I put the battery on that revolving device and spun it a few times.

    • @Zshbk
      @Zshbk 11 месяцев назад

      Curious what your results were

    • @lazurm
      @lazurm 11 месяцев назад

      @@Zshbk Interesting. I was curious also.

  • @bobadingo
    @bobadingo Год назад

    I'll stick with my Generac 2500.. .

  • @peterpowell6168
    @peterpowell6168 Год назад

    we used to say that growing up on East coast " your a poet and didn't know even though your feet are Longfellows! 🖖

  • @dicksoncamilo7214
    @dicksoncamilo7214 Год назад

    It could be read as Red Odo. As Red Odometer

  • @mikegreene8461
    @mikegreene8461 7 месяцев назад

    ip65 according to the website

  • @tico4940
    @tico4940 Год назад

    Its a copy of CHINS,will prose cut them open lol.

  • @tico4940
    @tico4940 Год назад

    I bought same battery on amazon last year,its jumped in price but i use it every day with a solar system to run 12 volt lights and fans but also a 2k inverter.

  • @bradbaysinger1782
    @bradbaysinger1782 Год назад

    I have a progressive dynamics charger/inverter, with built-in charge wizard. Model PD9260CV. Will this work.

  • @brianjacobus722
    @brianjacobus722 Год назад

    Wow this is awesome, I have a question? I have a Winnebago Era with the 2500 propane generator, will this be ok to start that as I don’t believe the cold cranking amps are very much , but not sure , thanks Professor let me know so I can order one through you

    • @HOBOTECH
      @HOBOTECH  Год назад +2

      I have started my Onan 2800 generator using 3x Battleborns and never had an issue. I don't think starting a small generator with this would be a problem.

  • @stevechang4219
    @stevechang4219 Год назад

    Their website is doing a giveaway event, very affordable...

  • @dvdtnnr
    @dvdtnnr Год назад

    Sometimes you don't discharge fully and need to redodo.

  • @ronvosick8253
    @ronvosick8253 Год назад +1

    The name sounds like a police song 🎵

    • @curtthackeray8967
      @curtthackeray8967 Год назад

      "Red-do-do-do.. Red-da-da-da.. that's all I have to say to you.. "

  • @davidpatrick1813
    @davidpatrick1813 Год назад

    she looks too liberal ................ looks is everything .. sure

  • @Moes_Prep_and_Tech
    @Moes_Prep_and_Tech Год назад

    The part at the End with Data Got me, Nice Touch, lmao

  • @SeanReigle
    @SeanReigle Год назад

    Can you please say the weight instead "this is what it showed on my scale?" Some of us listen to the "videos"

  • @joncoffman657
    @joncoffman657 Год назад +2

    Good deal.....

    • @Tommyr
      @Tommyr Год назад +1

      Yes, that price is very good. I paid $710 for my same Enjoybot.

  • @robertd6925
    @robertd6925 Год назад

    Are they rated to be wired in series?

    • @HOBOTECH
      @HOBOTECH  Год назад

      Answered in the video

  • @joegutierrez6289
    @joegutierrez6289 Год назад

    would this battery work with a 2000 watt invertor? Enough to power the micro wave on my RV.???? How many amps can you get out of this battery with the proper inverter ?

    • @HOBOTECH
      @HOBOTECH  Год назад +3

      You can run a 3000w inverter and pull up to 200A constantly (400A for a few seconds).

    • @joegutierrez6289
      @joegutierrez6289 Год назад +1

      @@HOBOTECH thanks👍🏼

  • @vandela177
    @vandela177 Год назад

    Hobotech where can I get one of those turn table you have there on the bench?

  • @1thinkhealthy
    @1thinkhealthy Год назад

    RED-o-d-o

  • @MADsailing560
    @MADsailing560 Год назад

    Would you comment on using this battery to start a small diesel engine (29 HP yanmar) in a sailboat? thanks!!

    • @HOBOTECH
      @HOBOTECH  Год назад

      They say don't use it as a starter battery. You can try it at your own risk.

    • @mikemotorbike4283
      @mikemotorbike4283 Год назад

      Some people use a capacitor product on their battery to supply big amps. For their 1000w stereo systems so the lights don't dim every beat the woofer pumps out. It also keeps the spark plugs supplied with power for harder acceleration (not a diesel concern), and maybe most usefully, starting in the freezing cold. Aliexpress has some of these, they are up to several hundred dollars. Save weight on the boat. You might also use a small car booster pack.

  • @genghischuan4886
    @genghischuan4886 Год назад +1

    Red OhhDoh

  • @laryangel4082
    @laryangel4082 Год назад

    Pp

  • @rogerkeester5247
    @rogerkeester5247 Год назад

    I was wondering if you can test the RV 12 volt refrigerator with the compressor well I was wanting to get a 12 volt refrigerator freezer for my motorhome that goes in the place of the propane 110 refrigerator

    • @HOBOTECH
      @HOBOTECH  Год назад

      A 12v fridge pulls only 5 amps. This battery does 200.

  • @stcstwwlove
    @stcstwwlove Год назад

    What would you use as a top end system config. Madium end system; and low end system.

  • @skohaya
    @skohaya Год назад +1

    Dear Professor. I wish you did the "Professor Hobo Monthly Disaster Prep"
    From the systems we last reviewed these are my picks for.
    1. Basic electricity during power shutdown to keep your refrigerator and cable router running with these solar panels.
    2. This is higher kw hr to run your washer and 240. W these panels.
    Here are the affiliate links.
    Here are the installation videos.
    I love your tests but I wish I could see all the results in a table to make those cost comparisons and features in one place.

  • @davecroft2991
    @davecroft2991 Год назад

    Great deets!

  • @MMorMM
    @MMorMM Год назад

    Class

  • @hawaiidogs9277
    @hawaiidogs9277 Год назад

    Ty sir

  • @dariousmoiras2476
    @dariousmoiras2476 Год назад

    Nice

  • @joryferrell7244
    @joryferrell7244 Год назад

    How many can be placed in series?

    • @HOBOTECH
      @HOBOTECH  Год назад

      As mentioned in the video 4 in series for 48v

    • @joryferrell7244
      @joryferrell7244 Год назад

      @@HOBOTECH Thanks...and sorry... :P I was only paying half attention as I ate...

  • @tim1299
    @tim1299 Год назад

    $ 3.09 = 649/210

  • @chaosiscandytome
    @chaosiscandytome Год назад

    Run an ebike from it?

    • @HOBOTECH
      @HOBOTECH  Год назад

      It's a bit heavy for an ebike but sure.

  • @vladandrei2069
    @vladandrei2069 Год назад

    Bang bang feuer frei

  • @Jeff-li7gp
    @Jeff-li7gp Год назад

    Can you charge this with a Jackery 1500?

    • @Jeff-li7gp
      @Jeff-li7gp Год назад

      @@EfficientRVer The question is "can you charge the Redodo battery with a Jackery 1500?"

    • @TheCollectiveIntellectual
      @TheCollectiveIntellectual Год назад +1

      @@Jeff-li7gp I wouldn't think so. The specs on your Jackery are well below what this battery is capable of therefore it would be kinda like pouring a bowlful of water into a large lake and expecting it to show a visible difference in the water level.

    • @HOBOTECH
      @HOBOTECH  Год назад +6

      Why do folks think sogens are battery chargers?

    • @Jeff-li7gp
      @Jeff-li7gp Год назад +1

      Well... if a solar generator can produce energy (with solar cells), then why can't it be used to charge a battery?

    • @HOBOTECH
      @HOBOTECH  Год назад +4

      @@Jeff-li7gp Because you need what's called a "battery charger" to charge a battery. You can't just plug a battery into the 12v and expect it to charge.

  • @misolgit69
    @misolgit69 Год назад +1

    Dah Dah Dah
    Redodo Do Do etc