"YOU'RE A MONSTER! YOU ANIMAL! YOU DOG!" Unhinged Leftist LOSES His Mind In HEATED Debate
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- Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2024
- After the recent series of attacks on Hezbollah militants by Israel, LonerBox debates @westsidetyler on whether the pager attacks are an act of war crimes.
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nuclear level cope in that thumbnail lmao
Dads, please stop fighting
bro really said Israel dosent know who they are striking💀 they just randomly throwing bombs around lil guy?
Says the one who screamed and bitched the whole time
Westside empanada
ignoring the arguments from both sides, you should be ashamed of your conduct. this was a horrible bad faith display. your behavior is awful here.
westsidetyler: "A is true"
Lonerbox: "No A is not true because of B"
westsidetyler: "I don't care about B"
Gigachad
No, it was more like
WT: A is true
LB: A is not tr-
WT: WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID AND EVIL
LB: ...not true because of-
WT: WHY DO YOU DEFEND GENOCIDE
LB: ...because of B, why do you think A is-
WT: I DON'T CARE ABOUT A I DON'T CARE ABOUT B WHY DO YOU LOVE DEAD CHILDREN WHY DO YOU DEFEND KILLING CHILDREN
exactly
@@bazooka712no
lonerbox's most braindead stan in the chat: "israel didn't send the pagers, hezbollah ordered them." imressive...
Why is LonerBox bullying the mentally ill man?
He seems to be suffering from PTSD.
@@DayOldNewsNightNot service related.
Westside Tyler a.k.a. the guy who can take no criticism whatsoever and has zero self-reflection.
This is why Hasan doesn’t debate, because he would sound like this.
@@autumnleaves7907 oh damn you really are going through comments malding and desperately trying to defend ridiculous shit, I thought your reply to me was just a joke 💀
@@autumnleaves7907 no I find you pitiful, that’s a different emotion but I doubt you’ll acknowledge the difference
@@daniellagrou1078 Nah. As much as I dislike Hasan, he did have debates where he stayed level and calmly dismantled his opponent.
@@InfiniteDeckhand unironically link me. I’d be interested to see him do ok in a debate. 2v2s with partners like Destiny don’t count lol also his opponent has to be over 90 Iq.
@@daniellagrou1078 Can't link you, because RUclips would delete my comment if I did. Try to look up his debate vs Asmongold or his debate vs Andrew Tate. Those are two examples I can think of from the top of my head. But, since you said against people who aren't stupid, I guess those don't count, huh.
If there's one good takeaway from this video, it's that mental health care for our vets is tragically underfunded in our country...
Amen
I know this is a joke, but its true. I don't know anyone who fought in Iraq or Afghanistan who didn't come back seriously messed up. This video actually reminds me of a lot of conversations i've had with American vets.
I AM LOUD AND UPSET SO MY POSITION IS CORRECT!
MY FEELINGS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FACTS!!!
i'm condescending but not loud so my position is correct.
"I dont care" then why are you debating ?
lmao especially when it's said like "I DON'T EVEN CARE!!!!!!!!!"
Hey, LB was the one who asked for the convo, so obviously Tyler bares no responsibility for behaving in a civil manner or having any actual thoughts.
Loves the sound of his own voice and his convinced that anyone who disagrees with him is supporting genocide. Idk how contend with that level of cognitive bias
average Hasan listener.
He even sounded like Hasan when he started screeching.
I think you’re barking up the wrong tree there, Tyler has been hardline anti-Hasan since he started streaming, he broke out of Vaush’s community and has been a fairly independent voice since. Used to be associated with President Sunday until they had a fallout over Demonmama and Xanderhal being unhinged. I’ve listened to a few of his streams and I am not sure why he is taking such a hardline position on this specifically, he is extremely close to Lonerbox politically and doesn’t usually do much Israel-Palestine coverage.
@@luxborealisI know literally nothing about this guy but his demeanor is so similar to Hasan’s. I just hate the mindset of “If I yell loud enough I’m correct”.
@@luxborealis I’ll be honest this is the first time I’ve heard of him but his talking points were spot on hasan, the rhetoric was 100% hasan, the little mask off “im a virtuous liar” thing they both do. Even his voice is spot on hasan screaming at chat. I honestly wasn’t certain that it was hasan calling in under a different name until I found out he was a known person in the community. At least on this topic I find them totally interchangeable.
@@luxborealis no one is terminally online to care about all that
"I don't care about that!!!" was certainly a convincing argument
@@autumnleaves7907yea lost some of his hearing and braincells
He really should said. "How does that justify pager bombs?!" Because that was the debate. *Shrugs*
You know how to spot the winner of a debate? It's usually the person screaming, saying "I dont give a fuck," "I don't care," and "shut the fuck up."
Who cares who wins the debate i think being right matters more
"I don't have a real problem with ignorance. We are all ignorant about a variety of subjects we are not currently aware of. The real problem is when that ignorance is wilful, baseless and used as a weapon against anyone who disagrees with you, or anyone who has the nerve to present facts you don't want to accept."
- anyone who actually cares about verifiable reality
@@seanbeadles7421 Typically if someone's right they've reasoned through it enough to be able to explain their reasoning without having to resort to "I dont give a fuck," "I don't care," and "shut the fuck up."
@@seanbeadles7421I prefer being left
@@seanbeadles7421 If tyler was right, I think he would have been able to make one coherent and logical argument, which he could not.
Also - if you launch unprovoked rocket attacks against a neighbor's civilian population for 11 months, you literally have zero right to complain when they strike back, no matter how hard.
It’s worrying that a “combat veteran” can’t define the terrorism they were combatting.
They’re trained to follow orders, I wouldn’t necessarily expect a combat veteran to understand the deeper causes and strategies of their war
Its because the true terrorism is the Frends we made along the way
@@jogiffbruh cmon it’s not an esoteric term
@@jogiff I’m trying not to come down on him so harshly because it’s clear from the conversation whatever he had to do in Iraq deeply affected him and that’s just a terrible situation to be in but I’d just say with the US military at least we do receive a emphasis on following legal orders and you aren’t just expected to blindly follow orders because “just following orders” won’t really save you post- Nuremberg trials depending on your situation. So you do at least have an idea of what you’re doing, who you’re meant to be doing it to and why. It’s not just a morality thing but it’s also practical so that if your officers or NCOs get killed or injured lower ranks don’t just fall apart with no direction due to brain drain. This is part of the reason Russia has so many issues in Ukraine.
@@Demos_Jeff even though it was part of the global “War on Terrorism”, I don’t think that the word terrorism was ever part of the orders. Targets might be targeted because they were Al Qaeda or because they were insurgents, but they weren’t being targeted on a case-by-case basis for being terrorists.
If you weren't in the Iraq invasion you're not allowed to talk about warfare of any kind I guess
Iraq utterly buckbroke an entire generation.
What's the over under that he was REMF?
What qualifies an internet streamer to diagnose explosive injuries from a grainy security cam video?
Basically, yeah. Loner literally doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Tyler has military training. He was deployed. LonerBox is literally trying to armchair general to someone who was there
@@PatheticApatheticwhat insights did his military training give him in the pager situation?
Don't you think it's somewhat reasonable to assume the charges in the pagers probably mostly killed the people holding them and not everyone in a 3m radius?
This was what they were talking about...
Loud = Winning
Loud = True
Loud=gud
I think WestsideTyler was a little bit emotional. I wouldn't play monopoly with him with how reacts to being told the rules.
Yeah, he’s…kinda unhinged NGL.
International law says Israel is an occupying force and international law allows the support of the occupied. If anything Israel can defend their land but can not attack outside of it... Legally. If you disagree idk what to tell ya besides remember reading this later. After the icc and icj condemn all this Israeli terrorism.
@@JohnHunterPlayerrIt doesn't matter how right you are about this because the comment you're replying to is only criticizing how awful Tyler acted here. Dude is on youtube PMSing it's awful to listen to
@@JohnHunterPlayerr Israel is occupying Lebanon?
@@RetractedandRedacted Israel isn't occupying and ethnicity cleansing Palestine? And if it is, the people actively trying to stop said genocidal government, are in the legal right. Do you condemn Nelson Mandela?
Why do the vast majority of loud pro-Palestinian people demand everything is explained to the most basic level, but when they make claims, everything should just be taken on face value
Because they're idiots lol
Because they think people are supporting genocide
Pro hamas is brain rot
Alexa, define "Bad faith" for me
@@autumnleaves7907 please be a joke
He's so used to being able to physically win arguments that when it comes to actually winning one with words, he can't help but go to the same playboook of physical aggression, only they're not in the same room so he can only be vocally aggressive and intimidating. It's like he wishes he could just punch him and win that way, but since he can't, he tries to do the verbal equivalent
underrated comment
He induces headaches with his screaming. That’s physical.
Hinged leftist debates unhinged leftist
more like based centrist vs unhinged leftist
Both these people are incredibly unlikable.
More like liberal vs leftist
Can't have a box without a hinge..
*centrist lmaoooo@@lionelmessisburner7393
Why did they make tylers brain so large in the thumbnail?
I agree. I think I can make out the one pixel...
“Haha disabled veteran angry he must be mentally regarded”?
Gross
@@seanbeadles7421 it's especially funny because Loner loves to pretend he's closer to MLK than the lefties he dunks on. MLK whose guiding philosophy was empathy and compassion for other people.
Honestly think lonerbox is the Buddha with how patient he is with people that talk past him constantly
Tyler was growing on me, but this is just sad. He has nothing to back up what he says other than "I read an article", doesnt care to link it or talk about. Instead he just wants to sperg out .
Yeah same here, I was around at the start then in honest surprising turnabout he speedran my three strikes rule. I check in with his streams and videos here and there nearly get sucked bàck in then he goes full gremlin in the bad way
Yeah, I've been watching some of his stuff over the last few months, and I thought that he was a reasonable guy. Maybe a bit more radical than myself, but even where I didn't agree with his takes I could see there was some thought behind them. Then I watch this discussion, thinking I'd see two people have a sensible conversation, but even 30 seconds in Tyler is behaving like a monkey who broke out the zoo.
@@gurigura4457 Exact same shit happened for me
Same
It's clear this topic in particular strikes a nerve for him probably due to his previous military experience. I'm sure a well formed argument could be made in favor of Tyler's side but it certainly isn't coming from Tyler with his emotions running that wild.
Lonerbox : "Actually , it says this."
Tyler : "I DON'T CARE!!!"
@westsidetyler doesn't seem to know anything but is very confident about it.
HE'S A COMBAT VET BRO HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT COMBAT AND WAR!!!!
@@william4996 he was sent to the front lines to hold a weapon and do what he is told. doesn't have anything to do with knowing that war is sometimes necessary 😂 there is a reason he will never be in charge of a position that decides to start a fight and how to conduct one, cos as a combat guy u don't need to have knowledge on that u will just follow the orders of the ppl high up who actually have more sense and live in reality
Has some serious MikeFromPA vibes
I'M WINNING I'M RIGHT LALALA I'M A VET SO I'M RIGHT LALALA THINK OF THE KIDS LALALALA
I love when people are smarmy and smug while also being incredibly dumb.
This is a good example of why you have to mute people sometimes
It's a good example why a lot of debates are a waste of time and energy in the first place.
@@RoonMian Definitely not when you act like this guy. When both sides are engaging in good faith, I think there's a lot of value
@@prestonbeaulieu4379 But seriously though, when does that ever happen? On this topic?
@@RoonMian basically never
@@prestonbeaulieu4379 Yeah.... 😒
Swap out “Iraq” for “Vietnam” and he’s Walter from the big lebowski.
Lol true.
No Walter seemed to be well read.
This guy is clearly traumatized from gunning down a child in Iraq and is just projecting really hard.
Jfc the baby killer argument from 1970 is back in full force
@@Slyslug 💀 out of pocket
@@seanbeadles7421your first mistake was thinking anything is new under the sun
The further I got in the debate the more I felt like this was definitely the case. Just sad person all around.
@@seanbeadles7421 you have to watch the full video. He says the Kursk bridge bombing was legitimate (loner says civilians used the bridge, they couldnt know if one of them was a child) and he says that if a single child was on the bridge they shouldn't have done the strike (even if it potentially crippled the russian invasion. This isnt said - but its the implication). It comes off as really callous, but he is projecting ... something
I feel bad for this guy, he lost his marbles in Iraq and now he’s seriously unstable. Poor dude
I'm beginning to think this guy doesn't care.
Damn this leftist sounds like a caricature of a soccer mom from the 90s
Equivalent levels of testosterone at play in both cases
Low T hahaha @@marcusmcclain3251
"Kids!! The Kids!!! ..... KIDS!!!!!"
“I don’t care what your position is!”
Lmfao bro really just wanted to yell. I understand homie. Get it all out
Imagine saying soldiers aren't military objectives
These are the same people who call the Highway of Death a war crime.
Hamas targeted militants on Oct 7. Civilians were killed, mostly by IDF. Israel targeted militants and civilians were killed, entirely by Israel. They're both terrorist attacks.
literally one of the most insane parts considering US "involvement" with Osama bin Laden
They’re not
@@PatheticApatheticfuckin what?
This is an awesome debate tactic: every time you get asked an inconvenient question that would ruin your argument completely when answered honestly, just scream “I don’t care” loud enough then claim victory in the debate. I’m stealing this one!
It will not earn respect from your fellow debaters but you will induce headaches in them so kind of a win.
Why do you subject yourself w/ debating someone that sounds like they need serious therapy & have rage-related issues in their personal life? I would've quit talking to this guy after 15 minutes if that's the tone he wants to set off initially.
@@TheHi-FiHour Yeah it's pretty clear from the start, nothing liner says would convince this guy. I do think this type of debate is more useful than debating the average right-wing content creator though. The way he screams and just throws out insane accusations should probably tell any sane viewers of his how wrong he is on this topic. And since, on average, lefties have more viewers that can still be reached with good points, I'd call this a win.
You are right though. 15 minutes of this would probably have done the trick just as well.
i know he's reacting very emotionally here, but tbh its hard for me to say with certainty if he has rage-related issues in his personal life on a regular basis as it's seen here. it is absolutely clear to me though that he has probably seen some shit, and it has put an extreme sense of fear and/or pain with regards to seeing deaths, which has likely colored his outlook on things very heavily, to the point where he's willing to completely overlook facts because he wants to aim for the idealist perfection of no collateral damage, no civilian casualties, and avoiding conflict at all possible costs. i can't say i've ever been to war, but i've seen a lot of footage of deaths, both in wars and outside of it, and it has left me with pretty serious anxiety problems for half of my life. obviously, there's no justifying the way he acted here, but knowing me, there are absolutely things and ideas that i feel like i can't fully reconcile with internally when it comes to the idea of mortality in specific contexts, and it makes it impossible for me to really be able to fully accept some people's views on things. i guarantee that something similar is going on with him, only significantly more powerfully, and regarding a topic that he spent a significant portion of his life on, and something that he cares about far, far more. this farce of a debate should be a wake up call to him to try and get some help, because the way he acted is pretty clearly more derived from emotional trauma than it is from any sort of legitimate logical approach.
But he’s okay with Israeli deaths including children? So his PTSD is selective.
I can't be the only one who thinks this person talks exactly like hasan...
Tyler: "I've come out against every dead child we talked about! This operation was illegitimate"
Loner: "So you just want Hezbollah to fire at Israel with impunity? Even if they killed 12 Druze kids in the Golan Heights?"
Tyler: "They're gonna shoot at Israel anyways. It doesn't change anything." 🧐
53:05
You’ll never guess what Hezbollah has been up to in the last 24 hours
It's at 56:25
Anti-war is pro-war. This guy's a marine.
naied it lmao
By their own logic, they would never drive a car because there's a chance of an accident occuring.
not even just that but he was in IRAQ of all wars
@@hardphlexI have doubts about that. We left Iraq and decade ago. This idiot is barely out of his teens and, last I checked, the US doesn't really use child soldiers.
You have to be this smart to be a LonerBox viewer
“I don’t care!” - guy who has made this brain dead take his entire identity.
This debate has done indiscriminate terrorism against my brain cells.
But was it _random?_
@@cedricappleby2006 Come to think of it, it felt pretty targeted. So we'll say my brain was randomly targeted.
Didn't Leon Panetta, Ex-CIA Director, admit the Israeli pager attack was terrorism?
@@garetroth5683 Sir, this is a Wendy's.
I'm sorry who are you talking to and what do you think they are saying? We're making dumb jokes about mixing up concepts incoherently, and you're going full debate-pervert on some talking-point against a bunch of non-statements.
I'm gonna guess you either clicked reply on the wrong comment, or you're a bot.
@@tobiashagstrom4168
No, I just like showing how braindead you are. Even CIA directors call this terrorism.
Ya I unsubscribed to Tyler after this. He was too bad faith and doesn’t seem to actually want solutions. Good job on refuting his mad dogging ,loner.
Same. I skimmed a few of his VOD auto-transcripts after someone in Loner's chat mentioned he was *still* going on about it days later, and at the very least he's A)insulted LonerBox's editor and said his was better, B)insulted LonerBox's thumbnail artist and said he has better Photoshop skills and makes better thumbnails on his channel, and C)claimed he "won" because his goal was to yell at LonerBox and call him an "animal" rather than...winning the debate. Anyway, great to know I shouldn't bother taking anything else he says seriously again.
too much crayons
I can’t stand people who debate like this Tyler guy. It’s so frustrating hearing him constantly interrupt and talk over you. Why is he always yelling?
Cuz he is winning, EZ. He told me so. And he didn't come to debate, but to convince , cuz he is right DUUH. Emotions don't care about facts.
Im not owned!@@ScooterGecko
Yo sorry box I can't watch this, this other guy is sperging out way too hard.
@@Soupasnake yeah I’m struggling to watch it, he’s just bawling his eyes out the second each and every concept isn’t explained to him in the most basic terms, loner then attempts to do so and he says “oh my god you think that’s a thing??!”
I love the endless emotional manipulation and special pleading from Tyler.
He sounds like he is about to cry.
Westside Tylers screaming just pagered my braincells
This guys anti-war sentiment is naive but it's isn't inherently bad. Problem is that it's entirely one sided, it's only bad when Israel does it. Super bad faith.
Yeah but here’s the thing. Tyler is only doing this for clout. He’s a self admitted clout shark
@@danieltobin4498when did he say it?
@@donovanlocust1106 Every time he streams
@@AshenVanguard wow
He's not for peace. He's for the other side.
Marines really are crayon eaters aren't they? As a demographic they seem to vastly overestimate their own knowledge on LOAC
As another marine I have no clue where this guy is getting this information because it certainly wasn’t from our briefings and classes we receive in boot camp and annually. He didn’t pay attention and is now just using “combat veteran” status for some strange form of legitimacy. I’d actually be really interested to see his records.
@@Demos_Jeff Now that you mention it, so would I.
@@Demos_Jeff He was a marine a decade ago, I think he did 2 or 3 tours in Iraq. IDK how much has changed since then in terms of what you guys get told.
@@Demos_Jeff, it's typical bro vet behavior. I would have honestly donoed if lonerbox had hit him with the cool story guy whenever he'd sperg out about his time in Iraq.
@@Demos_Jeff he makes appeals to authority on the basis of his veteran status all the time. Sorry I insulted the dogs. In truth I think marines are pretty cool
Imagine being a "combat veteran" telling someone they don't understand politics or geopolitical activities and not being able to understand terrorism...
I am also a combat veteran (44 months in Iraq) and in this video, I am agreeing with loner box. This combat veteran is an embarrassment to the rest of us. "What is Terrorism?" "Terrorism", god what an idiot
Reminds me of when Lazerpig talked about Gonzalo Lira's roundtable bringing on supposed "experts" when their only qualifications were they served in the Marines
He doesnt even understand the military, how success of operations is measured, civilian casualties and at least half a dozen other concepts that directly relate to the military work, its baffeling honestly
Didn't Leon Panetta just classify the Israeli pager attack as terrorism?
Like the dahiya doctrine. Israel defenders literally defend a "military" (terrorist force) that has explicit terrorist doctrine...
He's trauma bound to reject any military action. Ever. He's retreated to some naive position that any action is inexcusable. His guilt isnt allowing him to think clearly and objectively. Deep down he's identified with those he's killed and therefore blames those that belong to the group that sent him to war because of shame and guilt
I think we have someone faking having been in the military. We've been out of Iraq for a decade. He sounds like he's 20. And really stupid.
@@sypherthe297th2 that's definitely possible, but it's irrelevant when it really comes down to it. A soldier's experience doesn't equal expertise in the overall strategies of waging war. This guy is trying to lean on the idea that his experience grants him unique understanding, which it does, but only so far as that war is hell and shouldn't be a thing. This is naive thinking. And he's making the mistake of resting the sole responsibility on Western ideology for warfare without the proper examination of the other side. Everyone agrees that war is not good. But he's failing to acknowledge the alternative. It's the problem of privilege. Western values encourage the idea of peace while executing military action, but that has nothing to do with the fact that conflicts erupt around the world for baser reasons like religion or tribalism. The point I'm trying to make is that war is a a crude but effective tool in humanity's toolbox. The act is less important than the reasons for the act.
@@sypherthe297th2that isnt true. We still have troops in iraq. Before oct 7. The iraqi parliament was trying to negotiate with biden to get troops out of there because they want closer economic ties with china. This was ended due to the oct 7m attacks
Tyler is unhinged but I feel like is cause he is a veteran and has a hard anti-war stance, even if your country is being invaded or attacked. I do feel like him shouting "I don't care" reveals how little he has read on any of this, he is more of a feelings kinda guy.
feels like audience capture, he just has to yell because "children are dying", short cuts his morality
@@MatsuhiroGennai Maybe, but I think he feels that way. I may be wrong but this seems like a personal thing to him, he is unable to reason at all so he has to yell.
It works with his audience but I doubt It convinces anyone else.
He's a revolutionary socialist or something. Any anti-war stance he holds is inherently duplicitous.
@@MatsuhiroGennaiand the destiny orbiter isn’t audience captured?
@@Keviamaya that doesn't excuse him of being unhinged and interrupting others all the time.
10 minutes in, no clue why you would even talk to someone like this ahah. I'd mute him over and over until he let's you actually talk
If you watch his videos (where he doesn't talk to anybody but his chat) he comes off as pretty calm & reasonable. The sperging out was a real shock when I watched WT's video of this.
@@gurigura4457 He comes off as calm and reasonable but that masks slips and he can act like a real bully or sound like a creep who wants to hurt someone.
God i literally got a headache listening to this
“I dont believe in a right to target anybody” oh smackgubble this ones a gonna be a doozy isn’t it
Its wild how often he just makes some crazy claim and when Loner calls him out on his BS, his IMMEDIATE reaction is to scream how he doesn't care.
Dude, you sure seem worked up for someone who doesn't care..
Man, I think veteran services missed a guy.
THEY ARE EATIN THE CATS!!! THEY ARE EATING THE DOGS!!! THEY ARE EATING THE PETS!!!
same energy. Used to listen to Tyler on his Shadiversity act, but this is just sad.
Shadiversity act?
@@mrjtfang2 meant to say arc. he had some beef with a cringy AI Art Bro.
This dude needs to visit the VA psych asap
They only do that for real veterans not counter strike ones
“i saw a guy get shot in the liver and he lived for like 8 hours!!” my guy what does that have to do with ANYTHING loner was talking about? wild whiplash from loner trying to talk about the area of damage an explosive can do and this bro yelling random shit. truly if my mother had wheels she’d be a bike style of debating.
He was trying to say that someone could get hurt, even to a lethal degree, and it might not be immediately obvious. Problem is, he's too loud and stupid to shut his yapper for two seconds and properly articulate the concern and open a good faith dialogue about it.
He was responding to the point that Loserbox made that some dude in a video walked off so couldn’t have been injured. Walking off is not proof of anything. Kinda sad this rather obvious point went over your head.
@@DayOldNewsNight My dude you can’t even recognise blatant terrorism when you see it. I know you agree with the terrorism, but it’s still terrorism buddy. Why do you shitlibs have such a hard time being honest?
So, let's get this right. It wasn't legitimate for Britan to declare war on Nazi Germany because they weren't 100% sure it would stop or deter them indefinitely.
Great opening few minuets.
Don't forget that the Saar offensive killed German civilians! Very illegitimate...
When did he say anything that implied that?
@@PatheticApathetic during the first 5 minutes
@@johnrambo5795 where? He didn’t
@@PatheticApathetic okay. You should let a Doktor Look at ypur ears
homie needs to smoke a fat blunt immediately and take a second to breathe like fr.
Yup and lay off the zyns
Lefties not sending their best.
“Do you think war is just when two people dress up and slaughter each other?”
- guy clearly not smart enough to do anything but exactly that
I'd love to see you talk to someone actually knowledgeable who disagrees with you. These videos with random unhinged nobodies are entertaining, but you seem to have the knowledge and skills to talk to a rational person. Basically, I think there's probably a reasonable anti-pager-operation position out there, but this guy is a straw man. You're capable of talking to a steel man.
It's pretty silly revisiting this stuff weeks later knowing that Nasrallah came out in his big speech on the next evening and said that they were definitely Hezbollah's pagers that they ordered and distributed
Lol, this guy was mad. It always amazes me how confidently ignorant people can be.
I don't know why he's saying items that look like and are used by civilians are disqualified as being legitimate military targets, when there's a whole ass meme about ISIS and other terrorist orgs using tf out of toyota pickups.
Exactly! He actually asks at one point if a humvee looks like a Honda civic, which is a car that was famously used for vehicle bombs by insurgents.
I legit don't understand why you didn't end the convo after he literally said he doesn't care what's true as long as it's anti-Israel he'll say anything.
Isn't good faith debate clearly impossible after that?
My guess is, its content for him, he got Sunday to stand with him on I/P topic and possible audience capture, since I think Loner doesn't believe his audience will be captured by Tyler, but the other way around is more probable. In the end, its debate practice vs unhinged person and he can always improve on details. But, also, could be just waste of time.
I’ve never heard someone in bad faith like this, the wojack on the thumbnail fits Tyler so much 😂 PS: it’s funny how he yells over lonerbox to make himself (Tyler) feel like he’s serious about this just end up say after all that with his chest pumped up with “I DoN’t CaRe” where is Destiny for his inner rage to go on rage would be interesting
The D man (or woman I should say) vs Tyler rage. Oh boii XD
I’m not really sure this was even worthwhile to engage in. Dude was going to just rapid fire disagree and talk over you the whole time.
What a pleasant and productive exchange.
This guy is insane. Literally.
This guy super aggressively quizing Loner while not demonstrating he knows anything was an interesting tactic.
When the fuck did working the chow hall in Bahgram count as being a combat veteran? Jesus wept this guy ain’t anywhere near a military installation anymore
"We don't know how many injured in the Pager explosions where Hezbolla, therefore Israels secret service can't have any knowlege about possible estimated either, therefore warcrime" flawless logic
No, he was saying Israel don’t know because you can’t keep track of 5000 pagers you sent into a foreign country. They don’t know who had them or where they even were when they went off
Didn't Leon Panetta, Ex-CIA Director, admit the Israeli pager attack was terrorism?
In America, who all uses government cell phones? Sure, cops and military, but also all kinds of other government employees. State road workers carry government phones. Are they considered "American militants," just because they work for a militant government?
@@PatheticApatheticwho sent the pagers? iran. Its not like israel threw it on lebanon. So how can you blame israel when the devices were meant to be carried by terrorists only?
Wtf was that?
Gish Gallop argument style of moving the goal posts all over the place and arguing in bad faith until you hit something that sticks and you can "gotcha" your opponent.
@@fattyMcGee97 It was mad!
Loner shows nerves of steel
SteelBox
AH the Kyle Kulinski school of intelectual rigor
I DON'T CARE!!!
I couldn’t finish this video. Loner had better points but this guy steamrolled and screamed for so long I couldn’t keep listening till the end. Please stop letting spergs take over the convo
"You're a mouse in a cage" is the single most accurate description I've ever heard
DESPITE ALL MY RAGE...
NUUUUUUUUUUUU TYLER HAS THE LOLCOW GENE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5 minutes in, this guy seems like a fine addition to the DM and PS etc clown crew.
Anyone miss Yankee Tankie?
@@Andrew-s3b Just go and listen to the Hippy Dippy Roundtable. Same energy with less homelessness combined with mental health issues.
Who is PS?
@@mineneuryuu3623 would assume president Sunday
@@SS-xr7jf Oh that makes sense. Thank you very much
A lot of American spy movie tropes were born out of the legends of the Cold War, which was a shadow war of espionage and chilled politics.
With that in mind I absolutely cannot wait for Middle Eastern spy movies in 25 years 😂 the plots will amount to schizophrenic hallucinations
You should watch Homeland. Incredible depiction of what you're talking about.
Bruh just watch Valley of The Wolves: Iraq and Valley of The Wolves: Palestine.
40:10 yelling like a madman while not understanding the topic in the slightest. Classic.
Turned this off after 10 mins. Why bother talking to people like this.
Now you know, how patient is Mr. Box. True its his job and content, but still, I think its hard for anyone to keep calm with people like Tyler.
He is just screaming nonsense.
"i don't believe in a right to target anybody" & this guy is trying to mock Lonerbox's understanding of war & conflict.
This guy is literally talking about war from a child's perspective lol
Also you can tell how much he cares about stopping the conflict when he keeps screaming "I don't care!"
He then literally says international law doesn't matter lmao
You don’t have a “right” to target anyone
@@PatheticApathetic it's still a very silly position
I watched this on Tyler's channel yesterday.
I commented for what it's worth, he was super cringe in this.
@@DayOldNewsNight It's a shame. Tyler can be really funny, his Trump impression is great. He just sounds so naive in this convo.
@@DayOldNewsNight Do you mean when he say's "You can just hand out pagers..."?
@@DayOldNewsNight I can't hear anything about airdrops also what is he talking about when he says 37 out of 4000?
not really that productive him just yelling like a madman
Bro you can't reason with trauma that's created a worldview
I mean the entire justification for Israel taking over an entire region is "muh trauma."
@@droptableaccount1820-ancient jewish homeland
-they fled the lands 1/3rd of all jews were killed in
-they took lands after they were attacked
@@droptableaccount1820 oh yeah totally. They created the iron dome because of feelings
@ianmccarty990 no, they took over an entire region because of "muh trauma". Are you having trouble reading?
@@droptableaccount1820 no I read it, it's just stupid. It's so stupid it requires an explanation. How do you condense a hundred years into "muh trauma"? I could grant you a conservative government with expansionist aims....but you don't really care about that. It's all feels and vibes right? Underdogs are always victims?
Haven't seen many left vs far-left debates but this was entertaining
politics understander has logged on
edit: this dude gives strong abuser vibes lol. like im not saying he is bc obv we dont know him personally but the whole shouting over you shit and esp getting more aggressive when he does like he wants to actually fight you, never letting you talk so you forget your points, constantly calling you stupid, impossible to ever come to an agreement with unless you bow down to everything he says, whenever you bring up a counter point he just says "i dont care" to change the subject bc he wants to redirect the attention back to you and how Oh So Terrible You Are... I mean even if he isnt abusive, I still would never want to be around someone who has toxic ass disagreements like that. he just seems impossible to get along w unless you do whatever he wants.
also wild for him to call loner an animal n shit as a man who served in iraq, im sure you totally care about middle eastern ppl dawg i totally believe you.
“I have to be asking you a question in order for it to be begging the question” lmao
So use human shields and you can do what ever you want… seems like a harmless precedent to set
Does "using human shields" simply mean soldiers living in the same towns as civilians? Because news flash, US soldiers live and work in cities and buildings all over the country. Are they all legitimate targets too?
@@droptableaccount1820 that's not what a human shield is no
@@droptableaccount1820 The ICRC uses this definition "The term “human shields” describes a method of warfare prohibited by IHL where the presence of civilians or the movement of the civilian population, whether voluntary or involuntary, is used in order to shield military objectives from attack, or to shield, favor or impede military operations."
@willbishop5754 an off duty soldier shopping at a grocery store does not seem to meet that definition.
@@droptableaccount1820 the argument would be around continuous combat function. It essentially comes down to whether being “off duty” makes you not a valid military objective, my understanding is it doesn’t really make a difference if you’re “on duty” or not but it’s a pretty grey area to say the least
I'd like it to be noted that Tyler is not representative of most pro-Palestine / anti-war crime voices.
I'm tired, boss.
we know Sunday, because jesus if most people were like that it would be horrifying
@jotinhabr62513 You don't know the half of it. This guy is a genuine psycho.
@@PresidentSunday bruh........
yes he is. That's why you're tired, you know deep down you're in bed with complete psychos who rule the roost.
@@PresidentSunday Didn't Leon Panetta, Ex-CIA Director, admit the Israeli pager attack was terrorism?
I came into this curious to hear at least some discussion as to whether the pager attack was justified or a war crime or not or such because I know Loner does his research and brings receipts. But I'm 6m in and it's clear the caller can't have that discussion or even make an argument. Idk what the backstory is for him coming in so heated, but damn.
Yeah it was pretty sad to see, even when he happened to have a good point you had to filter it out from the constant screaming and interrupting which is just exhausting. Like, for example Tyler did mention the attack violating Article 7 (2) of the protocol on prohibitions or restrictions on the use of mines, booby-traps and other devices (an amendment of the CCW ratified by virtually all countries including Israel) around 18:00. I think it's a pretty valid claim when you look at it carefully (got a comment from about an hour or two ago if you're interested), and Loner's response kind of dodges it. But then the guy doesn't even realize it and goes back to screaming and saying "I don't care" etc while arguing against the part of Loner's response that *is* correct lmao.
The context for the call is that they got into an extended back-and-forth in writing over a tweet Loner made asking about common opposition arguments about the pager attack. Tyler still went full-tilt against LonerBox right off the bat there, too, so it doesn't really answer the "why" part.
Medical professionals in the US used pagers into just very recently. It was a dahiya doctrine terrorist strike by Israel. They knew medical professionals would have the pagers. And they knew that when you carpet bomb suburbs, healthcare professionals are an important part of the response effort. So they wanted to take out that civilian infrastructure beforehand in order to put pressure on the Lebanese government. You know, the dahiya doctrine. Striking civilians to use terror as a weapon and try to get those civilians to put pressure on their government. Is the dahiya doctrine not explicitly terrorism?
Never heard of westside tyler but ten minutes in and I can already tell he used to be a barracks lawyer.
Its rich for a marine to say the idf cant do anything when the army always has to save their asses. Every. Single. Time.