When I was talking about Taurus replacing firearms, I don't know if other people have to have them go through FFL's for replacement firearms, but in my state handguns must be registered, so a new serial numbered firearm has to have a new background check and all of that. Taurus knows this and won't send replacements directly to your home here.
I have a Heritage Arms Single Action 22. It is also made by Taurus. You can buy all the parts from them to repair just about anything at a low cost. I believe the warranty is only for a year. So their parts department is nice.
Great comparison. I loaded the 165 grain .40 for years when I carried G22s, 23s & 27s. Now use the 129 +p 9 from Speer. Both are great rounds with good real,world track records.
Either - Or...... That's my philosophy on these two. I saw both of these rounds issued in Law Enforcement and both of them did well on the streets. I wouldn't feel inadequately armed with either of these on duty of off. Thanks for doing a subcompact test.
Good test Sam. Should be reassuring for those that carry P365/Hellcat length barrels at least for this particular load. For me, defensive ammo rankings go as follows: 1) Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P 2) Federal 124gr +P/147gr 3) the field
That magazine will only get worse. I had a taurus millennium that had the same problem. Taurus refused to fix it and said my only Option was to send it back to them and they would send me a g2c nine millimeter. Not a great bargain for me.
Nice test as always. I dearly love Gold Dot in almost every chambering. I am a 40 fan, carried my P229 for my whole career except the first year. I swore by it, and never had to swear at it. Nothing wrong with the 9mm, i have several, and my Kahr P9 was a frequent off duty choice. Nowadays i lean toward getting a Sig 365, and i like my P239 in 357, plus of course my SP-101, which was the second frequent off duty choice. Anyway, your tests are a good help for us all. I am surprised there was not more expansion with the MDF. I was working in a shop when Gold Dot came out in 1994, a year befoe i got into LE. Speer stated that the threshold velocity for expansion was in the low 600's in all loads. Just gors to show that lab tests can't fully replicate the real world.
With Respect Sam, not sure where that cut off on .40 is! Everyone Should Check Out my 1st "MODERN MEAT TARGET" Test Hyper vs Regular 3.7" 9mm vs .40 3.6" 4 loads each remaking Paul Harrell's first ever Meat Target Vid that should also be watched. 3.6" Seems just fine for .40, and every 3.42" G27 test I have watched too! Maybe 3.4" is sweet Spot IDK just some thoughts. I've done a lot of testing so far. If I do anymore it will likely be PUNCH .38 vs .357 Defend & .40 vs .45 Punch and all my tests upcoming do Short and Long barrels! Also CBP used 3.66" P2000 in .40 and tons of LE agencies 27 was approved for Backup and Off Duty so those were thoroughly tested with various ammo.
I've observed the same thing when you drop down to sub-compact autos' , they're just not as reliable . But that aside , I think both rounds performed adequately . You make an excellent point about the "9" being more controllable but I still prefer the larger cartridge (.40S&W) . Great test Gun Sam , thanks for posting !
Gun Sam. I'm definitely not a snob. I shoot revolvers. And my only semi is a colt 1911 45 acp. I know there Thete are other good semis out there. But I stick with what I m now. Ruger colt and charter arms. They have been flawless. . God bless. Awsome video and good shooting.
This is exactly the review I needed! I have a millennium g2 in 9mm and was thinking about getting a G2 in 40. After seeing this I'm not sure I can justify it with a slightly larger round... Don't misunderstand me, I'm still going to get it😂
Look at the wound track for the .40 through the MDF. Okay, it didn't expand, but the wound track is great. The penetration is perfect. I think that's a man stopper.
Thanks for the video. You show here a point that has been bothering me for years. I love 40 cal in concept. My big problem is i honestly believe any hollow point needs to have at a minimum of 1100 to 1150 feet per second to perform correctly. Too many 40 cal loads, like these gold dots, are rated just below that threshold and the ammo doesnt perform like it should. If this same load were running 200fps faster, it would probably be a near perfect solution. If i had the ability to reload, i would just buy the bullets and make them myself.
🇲🇽 México Saludos. 👍 Excelentes. videos. de Test. de diferentes calibres. Me gustaría que hiciera una prueba de Tést de Prueba del calibre de Pistola. del .38 Auto Acp. con el cal.9 mm
Sam another awesome comparison. Im good with 9 in a micro. Thank you for validating that. I wonder if 115 grain would have preformed better bcuz of a slight increase in velocity. It didn't seem to open up enough in the "real world" test. Just my thoughts. What do you think?
Generally 9mm in 115 gr is always standard pressure and 124 gr is +P more often than not. And comparing a 9mm 115 gr to a 9mm+P 124 gr, both travel at about the same velocity and both seem to expand at the same rate.
@@GunSam that's good to know. I like the 115's for micros only so they don't snap as much, but I have run 124's and 147's out of it before. Love your exhaustive testing and always come here for the results.
S&W M&P (1.0) used to make a compact .40 S&W with 3.6" barrel. They are on the used market called M&P40C, with double-stack mag. The M&P2.0 only offers the 2nd gen "compact" which is 4-inch barrel, unless you go with a .40 Shield single-stack. I'm guessing a gen1 40C would be far more reliable than the Taurus. Otherwise, a G27 Gen5 would work fine.
That .40S&W Gold Dot performance with the clothing barrier was disappointing. My .40S&W is a full size so it's not a big deal for me but I was rooting for it.
I really appreciate your rambling on about guns as well as the ammunition test! It is always very useful information from your wide range of experience. It is also very good to hear that the bombproof Taurus G series is capable of failing, and with a poor repair response too! I did not know that...........................elsullo
Thanks Sam. And again, I'm sticking with my 40 S&W Fed 180 HST's. That Gold Dot just didn't do it in 40... the 9mm did great though. Too bad we don't live closer, I would be happy to let you borrow my guns for tests - sure that others would too. (I'm in Texas)
The 9 wins in this one. I'll keep running the 3.4'' .40 I have. Never fails to make noise but is a very heavy stainless steel pistol. A good disappointing video. lol
I am not a 40 S&W fan, I have always been a 45 ACP or 10mm fan. I've only come to accept 9mm performance as acceptable in the last decade. And when it comes to 40 short & weak for FBI, no thank you. I want the cartridge the FBI was to much of a wuss to handle on my hip.👍 That being said, I am NOT familiar with either of these firearms, but I have had a similar magazine issue with the Baretta 92. Being an "ambidextrous pistol", my strong hand trigger finger pad, rested on the left handed mag release and I dropped the magazines during the "practical pistol course", so I wound up carrying the Colt 1911 for my 8 years active duty in the USCG. As I recall, Taurus started life off as a Baretta 92 clone maker, perhaps the ambidextrous controls followed platforms...🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
.40 is for a duty sized gun. I like to carry light, so a micro 9 (sig p365x) is perfect for me. On those days when I have to venture into unsafe neighborhoods, ridden with drug zombies, prostitutes & gang activity, I feel a little better with that sig in addition to my snubbie. Taurus is notorious for giving the run around on their warranties. A few local dealers won't even sell them because they're so bad.
Taurus cock-blocking the Speer Gold Dot video 😂😂😂 I think Taurus revolvers and the G-series 9s are both solid guns for a cheap price, but with .40 and 10mm I either want a cheap tank like the Hi-Point or something like the G20/22, Springfield, S&W that I know I can count on.
Nope. Nope. This video IS about taurus and their inconsistent build quality in their auto guns. Really unacceptable. Step one is, the gun has to work. Their wheel guns tend to work well, but damnit, their autos are as hit or miss as a mid 90s action movie.
@@GunSam haha, no, I know it's not what the video is about literally... What I'm saying is even though it wasn't your goal, taurus keeps failing on your show and it definitely says something about their QC.
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This is the best ammo testing channel on RUclips. Thank you.
When I was talking about Taurus replacing firearms, I don't know if other people have to have them go through FFL's for replacement firearms, but in my state handguns must be registered, so a new serial numbered firearm has to have a new background check and all of that. Taurus knows this and won't send replacements directly to your home here.
Are you aware of any .40 that are relative lite for caliber but 1400 fps in speed
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I believe that is federal law. If the manufacturer replaces a firearm you will have to go through the same process as a new firearm.
Have you mentioned to Taurus they need to pick up the transfer fee ?
Do you pay for shipping to Taurus and back ?
I have a Heritage Arms Single Action 22. It is also made by Taurus. You can buy all the parts from them to repair just about anything at a low cost.
I believe the warranty is only for a year. So their parts department is nice.
Gold Dot is still my go-to carry ammo. Thanks for this test. When it comes time to replacing the old carry ammo in our G27 that is what I'll buy.
Great comparison. I loaded the 165 grain .40 for years when I carried G22s, 23s & 27s. Now use the 129 +p 9 from Speer. Both are great rounds with good real,world track records.
God bless you sir. Hope you are feeling better overall. Thank you for all your informative tests.
Either - Or...... That's my philosophy on these two. I saw both of these rounds issued in Law Enforcement and both of them did well on the streets. I wouldn't feel inadequately armed with either of these on duty of off. Thanks for doing a subcompact test.
Good test Sam. Should be reassuring for those that carry P365/Hellcat length barrels at least for this particular load. For me, defensive ammo rankings go as follows:
1) Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P
2) Federal 124gr +P/147gr
3) the field
That magazine will only get worse. I had a taurus millennium that had the same problem. Taurus refused to fix it and said my only Option was to send it back to them and they would send me a g2c nine millimeter. Not a great bargain for me.
Nice test as always. I dearly love Gold Dot in almost every chambering. I am a 40 fan, carried my P229 for my whole career except the first year. I swore by it, and never had to swear at it. Nothing wrong with the 9mm, i have several, and my Kahr P9 was a frequent off duty choice. Nowadays i lean toward getting a Sig 365, and i like my P239 in 357, plus of course my SP-101, which was the second frequent off duty choice. Anyway, your tests are a good help for us all. I am surprised there was not more expansion with the MDF. I was working in a shop when Gold Dot came out in 1994, a year befoe i got into LE. Speer stated that the threshold velocity for expansion was in the low 600's in all loads. Just gors to show that lab tests can't fully replicate the real world.
GS. Another good and interesting video. Again, thanks for all of your effort putting these videos together. Take care.
Great video Sam 👍
Great video. Appreciate the comparison and ballistic info👍
Hi gun Sam awsome. Your a very good shot. I prefer a revolver. But as always good shooting. 😊
For being the revolver king, you put a lot of work in with semiauto pistols. I really respect that.
Excellent video! 👍 Keep up the great work.
Thanks for the short barrels.
yep
Would you consider doing Hornady critical duty 124+p and 135 in a short barrel? Great videos 👍🏻
I really enjoy your vids. Hope all is well. Stay blessed :)
Gun Sam, I like learning from you what the facts are over marketing on balistics.
With Respect Sam, not sure where that cut off on .40 is! Everyone Should Check Out my 1st "MODERN MEAT TARGET" Test Hyper vs Regular 3.7" 9mm vs .40 3.6" 4 loads each remaking Paul Harrell's first ever Meat Target Vid that should also be watched. 3.6" Seems just fine for .40, and every 3.42" G27 test I have watched too! Maybe 3.4" is sweet Spot IDK just some thoughts. I've done a lot of testing so far. If I do anymore it will likely be PUNCH .38 vs .357 Defend & .40 vs .45 Punch and all my tests upcoming do Short and Long barrels! Also CBP used 3.66" P2000 in .40 and tons of LE agencies 27 was approved for Backup and Off Duty so those were thoroughly tested with various ammo.
I've observed the same thing when you drop down to sub-compact autos' , they're just not as reliable . But that aside , I think both rounds performed adequately . You make an excellent point about the "9" being more controllable but I still prefer the larger cartridge (.40S&W) . Great test Gun Sam , thanks for posting !
40s&w all the way ❤
Thanks much Sam.
God damn that pistol is frustrating. Hope they take care of you quickly. Thanks for the video.
Great video and wonderful information.. I’m always leaning in the .40 corner simply for the 412lbs energy
HST is more betta 😁
I like HST. Betterer.
Gun Sam. I'm definitely not a snob. I shoot revolvers. And my only semi is a colt 1911 45 acp. I know there Thete are other good semis out there. But I stick with what I m now. Ruger colt and charter arms. They have been flawless. . God bless. Awsome video and good shooting.
Taurus
Thanks
This is exactly the review I needed! I have a millennium g2 in 9mm and was thinking about getting a G2 in 40. After seeing this I'm not sure I can justify it with a slightly larger round... Don't misunderstand me, I'm still going to get it😂
Good test...I learned something...
great video Sam
Look at the wound track for the .40 through the MDF. Okay, it didn't expand, but the wound track is great. The penetration is perfect. I think that's a man stopper.
Thanks for the video. You show here a point that has been bothering me for years. I love 40 cal in concept. My big problem is i honestly believe any hollow point needs to have at a minimum of 1100 to 1150 feet per second to perform correctly. Too many 40 cal loads, like these gold dots, are rated just below that threshold and the ammo doesnt perform like it should. If this same load were running 200fps faster, it would probably be a near perfect solution. If i had the ability to reload, i would just buy the bullets and make them myself.
Very relevant test! Thanks for the 40 S&W test. It's still a great cartridge.
Let’s Go!
Thanks for the test, Sam. One suggestion: reduce the time spent at the end of your videos on music and footage of you shooting.
Good video. If I were you I would get rid of the Taurus as soon as you can.
Sam’s in it for the ballistics. I’m sure his carry guns are up to it…
@@Kelly-oq9nh I am glad to hear that. Best wishes.
🇲🇽 México Saludos. 👍 Excelentes. videos. de Test. de diferentes calibres. Me gustaría que hiciera una prueba de Tést de Prueba del calibre de Pistola. del .38 Auto Acp. con el cal.9 mm
Good stuff…👍
Sam another awesome comparison. Im good with 9 in a micro. Thank you for validating that. I wonder if 115 grain would have preformed better bcuz of a slight increase in velocity. It didn't seem to open up enough in the "real world" test. Just my thoughts. What do you think?
Generally 9mm in 115 gr is always standard pressure and 124 gr is +P more often than not. And comparing a 9mm 115 gr to a 9mm+P 124 gr, both travel at about the same velocity and both seem to expand at the same rate.
@@GunSam that's good to know. I like the 115's for micros only so they don't snap as much, but I have run 124's and 147's out of it before. Love your exhaustive testing and always come here for the results.
S&W M&P (1.0) used to make a compact .40 S&W with 3.6" barrel. They are on the used market called M&P40C, with double-stack mag.
The M&P2.0 only offers the 2nd gen "compact" which is 4-inch barrel, unless you go with a .40 Shield single-stack. I'm guessing a gen1 40C would be far more reliable than the Taurus. Otherwise, a G27 Gen5 would work fine.
Video should be called "Why you shouldn't buy a Tauras"
How much head is enough?
9mm is a really good short barrel caliber especially if you use a lighter bullet.
I'm a chubby chaser. I like the 147's and 180's.
Also, these bot comments are out of control recently.
What's your favorite 180's?
A chubby chaser? 147 isn't bad... 180lbs is getting there (I've seen a lot worse, lol). 😉
Florida man and his fat chicks….
Similar idea, 9 mm, same gun, +p versus no +p variant.
That .40S&W Gold Dot performance with the clothing barrier was disappointing. My .40S&W is a full size so it's not a big deal for me but I was rooting for it.
So was I.
I really appreciate your rambling on about guns as well as the ammunition test! It is always very useful information from your wide range of experience. It is also very good to hear that the bombproof Taurus G series is capable of failing, and with a poor repair response too! I did not know that...........................elsullo
Thanks Sam. And again, I'm sticking with my 40 S&W Fed 180 HST's. That Gold Dot just didn't do it in 40... the 9mm did great though. Too bad we don't live closer, I would be happy to let you borrow my guns for tests - sure that others would too. (I'm in Texas)
The 165 HSTs are pretty xheal at Target USA, if you're a member. Super cheap actually
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I just went back to 40S&W for my EDC, carrying Corbon 135 grain in a 3.6 inch barrel. Sig P239
Gold doys are consistent underperformers, at least in .40, based on my Internet browsing.
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357 Sig v 9mm +p.
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I'm fine with a 3.2 inch barrel for 9, but for 40 I want a little more length. If Taurus offered their G3 XL in 40, I'd be interested
Those Taurus have amazing textured grip, why would you put that rubbery thing over it?
Another reason to avoid Taurus.
The 9 wins in this one. I'll keep running the 3.4'' .40 I have. Never fails to make noise but is a very heavy stainless steel pistol.
A good disappointing video. lol
It looks like the 9x19mm is almost as effective as 357 Magnum! :p
I am not a 40 S&W fan, I have always been a 45 ACP or 10mm fan. I've only come to accept 9mm performance as acceptable in the last decade.
And when it comes to 40 short & weak for FBI, no thank you. I want the cartridge the FBI was to much of a wuss to handle on my hip.👍
That being said, I am NOT familiar with either of these firearms, but I have had a similar magazine issue with the Baretta 92.
Being an "ambidextrous pistol", my strong hand trigger finger pad, rested on the left handed mag release and I dropped the magazines during the "practical pistol course", so I wound up carrying the Colt 1911 for my 8 years active duty in the USCG.
As I recall, Taurus started life off as a Baretta 92 clone maker, perhaps the ambidextrous controls followed platforms...🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
try using a gun smith. ive had issues with firearms and the gunsmith fixes them. thats their job
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For the Rigged Algorithm gods of yootoob...
.40 is for a duty sized gun. I like to carry light, so a micro 9 (sig p365x) is perfect for me. On those days when I have to venture into unsafe neighborhoods, ridden with drug zombies, prostitutes & gang activity, I feel a little better with that sig in addition to my snubbie.
Taurus is notorious for giving the run around on their warranties. A few local dealers won't even sell them because they're so bad.
I know, I know, let's not make the whole video about "this."
Some men, you just can't reach.
Why do you hate jell Blocks so much ? Childhood trauma ? Head injury ? 😉
Taurus cock-blocking the Speer Gold Dot video 😂😂😂
I think Taurus revolvers and the G-series 9s are both solid guns for a cheap price, but with .40 and 10mm I either want a cheap tank like the Hi-Point or something like the G20/22, Springfield, S&W that I know I can count on.
9 on the hip, 40 under the pillow
Goof test!
Nope. Nope. This video IS about taurus and their inconsistent build quality in their auto guns. Really unacceptable. Step one is, the gun has to work. Their wheel guns tend to work well, but damnit, their autos are as hit or miss as a mid 90s action movie.
A test focusing on ammunition alone, IS about a specific gun? Not really, not slightly, not even close.
@@GunSam haha, no, I know it's not what the video is about literally... What I'm saying is even though it wasn't your goal, taurus keeps failing on your show and it definitely says something about their QC.