I do agree with you. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think what you are referring to is the "Thou shalt not have any other Gods before me". So he's basically saying you can only worship me and only me but you can't worship/idolize anything else. I think the way that people see it is God spoke through people to put his word into a book that we now call the Bible so it's okay to "idolize" the Bible. Also I just want to point out that you are 100% correct in that the Bible has been edited (words and chapters changed, taken out, added in, ect) and translated so many times we really have no idea of knowing what the original bible really said. I only took a couple of religion classes in school so I'm no expert but religion is fascinating. Love your videos man
Yes, my point though is that even though technically the bible is obviously not a "god" it is still treated as if it were God, no different than when they treated the bronze bull as being God. However, it is no reason to reject the bible but to approach it as a historical link to the words of God at that specific time. The word of God however is transcendent and can exist anywhere. Appreciate your support!
I will further add, that the very act of segmenting the word of God into a specific book is to ellicit the existence of multiple "Gods", ie it incentivizes people to attribute any other form of the same concept to be as if they were worshipping different gods, which in a way they are. Whether you are christian, jewish, muslim, buddhist, they are all worshipping different versions of the same God and are therefore committing idolatry by insisting that somehow they are all different.
@@MoLupo21 ahh I see your point more clear now. Yeah I completely agree that people do see the bible as a set in stone "God" itself. I too follow the idea that God, the Tao, Brahman, ect are the same, and we as humans have different theories on how to "approach" this thing that is beyond our comprehension. Have a great day man and look forward to your next deep talk video.👍
We have such similiar ideas and beliefs regarding this, so crazy to me, because this revalation of how Christians and even myself have idolized the bible, but I'm glad to see others are aware. Crazy you mentioned comic books, because recently I believe I had a vision from God and he was revealing himself to me, in a storyline through images that appeared to be taking place in a cartoon/animated and specifically comic-book presentation. It was very visual/real and felt divine and I saw Gods face but he was in the comic book.
Glad you we can see things eye to eye! Be careful about seeing Gods face, the face that you can see is not the true face. It's better not to seek that out from my experience. It's the whole reason in the first place why we have no idols, the first commandment.
Kindness is both the seed and fruit of the tree of Love. Abrahamic, and later Catholic Bible based interpretations of the Laws within the Tanaka show a reliance on human understanding based on biblical laws. Unfortunately this becomes "worship" which userps the worship of God. Be cautious of laws which justify/canonize hatred of others. Biblical laws are meant to bring us closer to God, not to be used as a club to bash others.
Heres something I wrote, I believe, that was inspired by God spoken through me "Hearken O’ ye people & hear the word of the lord. Yeah verily I say unto you, There are those among you who have idolized & elevated to the highest position in their heart the book of the holy bible & have therefore made it your Lord & your God & it has taken the place of the Lord in the Spirit. Say not in your heart that God is mere words printed on a page or a book. God is a spirit & not a book. God is a person & not a book. & say not that “The bible says this….” or “The bible says that…”. Behold, the bible does not speak, nor does it have a mouth, nor does it have a mind of its own. The bible is a book & the bible is ancient scriptures recorded & entered into computers & translated by men. & God is a spirit. Therefore say not that “This bible is god” But behold, the bible is a teaching tool to be used by God to instruct & teach his children. There are those among you who seek after God in the scriptures of the past, yet they fail to recognize & acknowledge him in their current life, as if God is only to be found in the past. Behold, God is among you. & even within you. Therefore I say to you seek after his ways. Behold I say again, God is among you & God speaks. The bible does not speak, but God speaks.
I'm not a fan of the ongoing endless battles which are usually fought over apologetics or dogma. To be expected, its been apart of the three major Abrahamic faiths, and almost certainly the cause of the lesser ones distinct enough to be divided from the three majors (i.e. the baha'i) by self-proclaimed prophets or claimed adherence to the holy text(s). Nowhere else is the headache more evident in Western society than in the protestant world, where it has fractionalized so much that many, especially American Christians begin to believe many things, even concepts not present in the bible. Concepts like the rapture, speaking in tongues, the 'born-again' movement, and the dogmatic phenomena of 'requiring the holy spirit to truly understand the bible'. Of course this not exceptional, and Islam and Judaism has sectoral movements, but to their credit and probable well being they have a lot less, and a lot less extremities. I see the contemporary approach towards religion as only fueling the ever-present nihilism that has prevailed in western thought since the 18th century and has completely taken over the face of its culture in the current time. The new age, I would argue, was chaotic since its inception with fascination to orientalism brought over by waves by esotericists, perennialists, and later cult leaders building and incorporating the works of the formers alongside and often promoting spirituality-gurus, (both Western, Indian, and Chinese) which has become something of a romanticized conception over spirituality. I don't seek to invalidate dharmic or generally eastern religious and philosophical systems, but I happen to think that its the same mindset which has infected and permeated into the mind of western spiritual thought that renders western observers and spiritual 'pilgrims' into failure and general unfulfillment, that is no different than in the domestic radical headaches of Christian spiritual movements. I would go further as to say observably in western households, from parental or generational adherents to these sects, their children often go astray into atheism or new age spirituality. In regards to atheist nihilism and evangelical Christianity, I see it as a parasitic relationship which renders both sides capable of conducting strawman attacks against each other endlessly for the sake of pleasure and dogmatic reassurance. For new age spirituality, fighting against the two majors is little seen as their broad metaphysical systems are often characterized as all-encompassing and perennialist, and seen more or less as something of a passive nature. Expected to be so, new age movements need not wage any kind of dogmatic war against staunch atheists or evangelical Christians because for unfulfilled agnostics and atheists and likewise ever-free libertine yet dogmatic Christians who blame all evil nature and suffering purely on satan, or contrary by saying the holy spirit permeates and is entirely necessary for biblical interpretation. Besides eating away at their households and muddying spiritual fulfillment, these forces are all aligned by the same nature, in the dogma that splits them off to begin with from prior established systems yet enables them to devolve in their boundless spiritual freedom (chaos) or otherwise lack of responsibility on moral account. This is certainly clear reason as to why arguable lesser metaphysical systems, like contemporary superstitious mythos, (folk creatures and absurd alien/conspiracy phenomena) animism, and general polytheism have been revived. I believe it is the perceived and argued adherent goodness of men and/or to that of god and his all-encompassing nature which enables multi-faith dialogue to begin with, at least between Abrahamics. I, however, still understand and have respect for defiant adherents from all across the board who would not wish to conduct multi-faith dialogue out of the convictions that prove they believe that which they believe to be true, thus making it both wrong and impossible to succumb to perceived falsehoods. Coupling this notion with the nature of god and the un-attributable majesty of god, it makes it understandable that both the piously devout in say general dharmic, or buddhist monastics, rabbinical adherents, sufism adherents, or eastern christian monastics, and the extreme zealots such as in sunni and shia islam movements hold strength in conviction which the western world happens to be adverse to because these often involve the embracing of suffering and death for the sake of more, or the completely denial of material and the cause of said suffering and thus onto death entirely. I can sum this up by saying that the western mindset and especially american one has made people adverse to endure suffering or adhere to any concrete systems they could reap fulfillment and truths from, instead incentivized into a consumerist version of religion, like in american televangelism and new age shops and the various schemes which have sprung up between the two in embezzlement by spiritual leaders or embezzlement by choice of product and naive pre-held notions of spiritual significance by say in an evangelical pastor or in a charm or talisman bought in a new age shop. I guess one can see a means to which perennial adherents may see a liberated standing from these problems, despite new-age movements ripping off part of their dogma and dominating perennial thought for the sake of initiative of one movement's success over the rest. Bible thumpers happen to 'adhere' to strict dogma yet we so often see them implode into schisms or plain-insanity through extremist movements such as end-time cults like to that of Jim Jones among others, and one can differentiate this implosion of spirituality from strict adherence, be it by rites and tradition over text alone, namely through discipline and where rigid systems happen to succeed. In example and in comparison, in America, there is both the Amish/Mennonite movement and Orthodox Jews who both adhere to almost entirely segregated yet communally based sub-societies where they keep some dogmatic dietary or otherwise cultural laws whether it be biblically or textually based or not, and it has largely been to their success and cohesion. The greater-encompassing bulk of these respectfully non-entirely solidified movements can be almost paired with monastics outside of the west by almost the same level of discipline being adhered to, but in these western cases on communal scales as opposed to selective priestly ones. I would've continued on, but I think I typed up more than I should have. I sort of strayed from the point of text-worship as a detriment and in contrary to the nature of god evident in the biblical texts themselves, but I find the issues that are in a sense strangling the forum for religion and spirituality in the west to be much beyond dogmatic nutjobs but instead an attitude towards religion which stems from a lack of fulfillment and indulgence in an encompassing system that is both inherently secular and nihilistic and thus only could only allow religion to serve the confines of pleasure and markets which people themselves are drawn towards and thus will push new or established religious systems in a wave towards until they become materially-saturated and almost entirely meaningless.
the mentality that plagues people is fear. They either fear the religion itself, or fear anything that might challenge the religion. In this context, they no longer fear God but rather fear concepts or ideas about God they do not wish to understand. Spiritual systems require dedication, like anything else. New age in theory is actually not that bad, just that it leads people into a path of superficiality and a somewhat sugar coated digestible version of religion whereas extremists tend to be more on the opposite side of things and are so extremely strict and dogmatic that it becomes counterintuitive to actually developping any real insight. Like all things, finding balance is critical to spiritual development. Having basic laws such as in the bible are pretty easy to follow and shouldn't be too hard to "interpret." The ten commandments make it pretty clear and simple. If you follow these, then you are pretty much fine. Everything else is built around those 10 foundational elements, and this can be incorporated into every major religious practice currently (except hinduism and some buddhist sects)
@@MoLupo21 I would disagree with that idea of fear given secular freedoms reassure anyone rights and fluidity when switching between one belief system or coming to or holding none whatsoever. The context under which one can be communally condemned or isolated due to religious scrutiny is by far minority to the whole of society and I would argue that fear towards concepts of the divine or established dogma may prove good as a net to which retains people from devolving into destructive and disorienting falsehoods and a never-ending journey inward that may never be fruitful. However, I would have to agree on your notion of extremists in the contrary due to rigid established systems condemning the personal journey that may prove itself fruitful towards objective enlightenment, even when it involves a great deal of trial and error and suffering or endurance that may be concluded in a veil of something other than truth. The ten commandments stand as a foundation for modern secular law and I find it justifiably so. They're an excellent piece of objective good and just morality put into rule.
@@Steakntatoes I think the fear resides from commitment. Fearing routine, structure, discipline. They would rather constantly chase a fleeting perception in order to feel that rush and excitement u would get from learning about a "new" religion. In this sense they are restless and filled with anxiety despite appearing to be spiritual
@@MoLupo21 The prevalence of that fear is a tragedy. I suppose we could only hope that people find worthy conviction and the kind of peace brought on by serious introspection. Thanks for the replies, I thoroughly enjoy your topics and art.
Great video WosX! Very insightful.
Great video, changed my perspective a little bit.
I do agree with you. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think what you are referring to is the "Thou shalt not have any other Gods before me". So he's basically saying you can only worship me and only me but you can't worship/idolize anything else. I think the way that people see it is God spoke through people to put his word into a book that we now call the Bible so it's okay to "idolize" the Bible. Also I just want to point out that you are 100% correct in that the Bible has been edited (words and chapters changed, taken out, added in, ect) and translated so many times we really have no idea of knowing what the original bible really said. I only took a couple of religion classes in school so I'm no expert but religion is fascinating. Love your videos man
Yes, my point though is that even though technically the bible is obviously not a "god" it is still treated as if it were God, no different than when they treated the bronze bull as being God. However, it is no reason to reject the bible but to approach it as a historical link to the words of God at that specific time. The word of God however is transcendent and can exist anywhere. Appreciate your support!
I will further add, that the very act of segmenting the word of God into a specific book is to ellicit the existence of multiple "Gods", ie it incentivizes people to attribute any other form of the same concept to be as if they were worshipping different gods, which in a way they are. Whether you are christian, jewish, muslim, buddhist, they are all worshipping different versions of the same God and are therefore committing idolatry by insisting that somehow they are all different.
@@MoLupo21 ahh I see your point more clear now. Yeah I completely agree that people do see the bible as a set in stone "God" itself. I too follow the idea that God, the Tao, Brahman, ect are the same, and we as humans have different theories on how to "approach" this thing that is beyond our comprehension. Have a great day man and look forward to your next deep talk video.👍
We have such similiar ideas and beliefs regarding this, so crazy to me, because this revalation of how Christians and even myself have idolized the bible, but I'm glad to see others are aware. Crazy you mentioned comic books, because recently I believe I had a vision from God and he was revealing himself to me, in a storyline through images that appeared to be taking place in a cartoon/animated and specifically comic-book presentation. It was very visual/real and felt divine and I saw Gods face but he was in the comic book.
Glad you we can see things eye to eye! Be careful about seeing Gods face, the face that you can see is not the true face. It's better not to seek that out from my experience. It's the whole reason in the first place why we have no idols, the first commandment.
Kindness is both the seed and fruit of the tree of Love.
Abrahamic, and later Catholic Bible based interpretations of the Laws within the Tanaka show a reliance on human understanding based on biblical laws. Unfortunately this becomes "worship" which userps the worship of God. Be cautious of laws which justify/canonize hatred of others. Biblical laws are meant to bring us closer to God, not to be used as a club to bash others.
Heres something I wrote, I believe, that was inspired by God spoken through me "Hearken O’ ye people & hear the word of the lord. Yeah verily I say unto you, There are those among you who have idolized & elevated to the highest position in their heart the book of the holy bible & have therefore made it your Lord & your God & it has taken the place of the Lord in the Spirit. Say not in your heart that God is mere words printed on a page or a book. God is a spirit & not a book. God is a person & not a book. & say not that “The bible says this….” or “The bible says that…”. Behold, the bible does not speak, nor does it have a mouth, nor does it have a mind of its own. The bible is a book & the bible is ancient scriptures recorded & entered into computers & translated by men. & God is a spirit. Therefore say not that “This bible is god” But behold, the bible is a teaching tool to be used by God to instruct & teach his children. There are those among you who seek after God in the scriptures of the past, yet they fail to recognize & acknowledge him in their current life, as if God is only to be found in the past. Behold, God is among you. & even within you. Therefore I say to you seek after his ways. Behold I say again, God is among you & God speaks. The bible does not speak, but God speaks.
I'm not a fan of the ongoing endless battles which are usually fought over apologetics or dogma. To be expected, its been apart of the three major Abrahamic faiths, and almost certainly the cause of the lesser ones distinct enough to be divided from the three majors (i.e. the baha'i) by self-proclaimed prophets or claimed adherence to the holy text(s). Nowhere else is the headache more evident in Western society than in the protestant world, where it has fractionalized so much that many, especially American Christians begin to believe many things, even concepts not present in the bible. Concepts like the rapture, speaking in tongues, the 'born-again' movement, and the dogmatic phenomena of 'requiring the holy spirit to truly understand the bible'.
Of course this not exceptional, and Islam and Judaism has sectoral movements, but to their credit and probable well being they have a lot less, and a lot less extremities. I see the contemporary approach towards religion as only fueling the ever-present nihilism that has prevailed in western thought since the 18th century and has completely taken over the face of its culture in the current time. The new age, I would argue, was chaotic since its inception with fascination to orientalism brought over by waves by esotericists, perennialists, and later cult leaders building and incorporating the works of the formers alongside and often promoting spirituality-gurus, (both Western, Indian, and Chinese) which has become something of a romanticized conception over spirituality.
I don't seek to invalidate dharmic or generally eastern religious and philosophical systems, but I happen to think that its the same mindset which has infected and permeated into the mind of western spiritual thought that renders western observers and spiritual 'pilgrims' into failure and general unfulfillment, that is no different than in the domestic radical headaches of Christian spiritual movements. I would go further as to say observably in western households, from parental or generational adherents to these sects, their children often go astray into atheism or new age spirituality. In regards to atheist nihilism and evangelical Christianity, I see it as a parasitic relationship which renders both sides capable of conducting strawman attacks against each other endlessly for the sake of pleasure and dogmatic reassurance. For new age spirituality, fighting against the two majors is little seen as their broad metaphysical systems are often characterized as all-encompassing and perennialist, and seen more or less as something of a passive nature.
Expected to be so, new age movements need not wage any kind of dogmatic war against staunch atheists or evangelical Christians because for unfulfilled agnostics and atheists and likewise ever-free libertine yet dogmatic Christians who blame all evil nature and suffering purely on satan, or contrary by saying the holy spirit permeates and is entirely necessary for biblical interpretation. Besides eating away at their households and muddying spiritual fulfillment, these forces are all aligned by the same nature, in the dogma that splits them off to begin with from prior established systems yet enables them to devolve in their boundless spiritual freedom (chaos) or otherwise lack of responsibility on moral account. This is certainly clear reason as to why arguable lesser metaphysical systems, like contemporary superstitious mythos, (folk creatures and absurd alien/conspiracy phenomena) animism, and general polytheism have been revived.
I believe it is the perceived and argued adherent goodness of men and/or to that of god and his all-encompassing nature which enables multi-faith dialogue to begin with, at least between Abrahamics. I, however, still understand and have respect for defiant adherents from all across the board who would not wish to conduct multi-faith dialogue out of the convictions that prove they believe that which they believe to be true, thus making it both wrong and impossible to succumb to perceived falsehoods. Coupling this notion with the nature of god and the un-attributable majesty of god, it makes it understandable that both the piously devout in say general dharmic, or buddhist monastics, rabbinical adherents, sufism adherents, or eastern christian monastics, and the extreme zealots such as in sunni and shia islam movements hold strength in conviction which the western world happens to be adverse to because these often involve the embracing of suffering and death for the sake of more, or the completely denial of material and the cause of said suffering and thus onto death entirely.
I can sum this up by saying that the western mindset and especially american one has made people adverse to endure suffering or adhere to any concrete systems they could reap fulfillment and truths from, instead incentivized into a consumerist version of religion, like in american televangelism and new age shops and the various schemes which have sprung up between the two in embezzlement by spiritual leaders or embezzlement by choice of product and naive pre-held notions of spiritual significance by say in an evangelical pastor or in a charm or talisman bought in a new age shop.
I guess one can see a means to which perennial adherents may see a liberated standing from these problems, despite new-age movements ripping off part of their dogma and dominating perennial thought for the sake of initiative of one movement's success over the rest. Bible thumpers happen to 'adhere' to strict dogma yet we so often see them implode into schisms or plain-insanity through extremist movements such as end-time cults like to that of Jim Jones among others, and one can differentiate this implosion of spirituality from strict adherence, be it by rites and tradition over text alone, namely through discipline and where rigid systems happen to succeed.
In example and in comparison, in America, there is both the Amish/Mennonite movement and Orthodox Jews who both adhere to almost entirely segregated yet communally based sub-societies where they keep some dogmatic dietary or otherwise cultural laws whether it be biblically or textually based or not, and it has largely been to their success and cohesion. The greater-encompassing bulk of these respectfully non-entirely solidified movements can be almost paired with monastics outside of the west by almost the same level of discipline being adhered to, but in these western cases on communal scales as opposed to selective priestly ones.
I would've continued on, but I think I typed up more than I should have. I sort of strayed from the point of text-worship as a detriment and in contrary to the nature of god evident in the biblical texts themselves, but I find the issues that are in a sense strangling the forum for religion and spirituality in the west to be much beyond dogmatic nutjobs but instead an attitude towards religion which stems from a lack of fulfillment and indulgence in an encompassing system that is both inherently secular and nihilistic and thus only could only allow religion to serve the confines of pleasure and markets which people themselves are drawn towards and thus will push new or established religious systems in a wave towards until they become materially-saturated and almost entirely meaningless.
the mentality that plagues people is fear. They either fear the religion itself, or fear anything that might challenge the religion. In this context, they no longer fear God but rather fear concepts or ideas about God they do not wish to understand. Spiritual systems require dedication, like anything else. New age in theory is actually not that bad, just that it leads people into a path of superficiality and a somewhat sugar coated digestible version of religion whereas extremists tend to be more on the opposite side of things and are so extremely strict and dogmatic that it becomes counterintuitive to actually developping any real insight. Like all things, finding balance is critical to spiritual development. Having basic laws such as in the bible are pretty easy to follow and shouldn't be too hard to "interpret." The ten commandments make it pretty clear and simple. If you follow these, then you are pretty much fine. Everything else is built around those 10 foundational elements, and this can be incorporated into every major religious practice currently (except hinduism and some buddhist sects)
@@MoLupo21 I would disagree with that idea of fear given secular freedoms reassure anyone rights and fluidity when switching between one belief system or coming to or holding none whatsoever. The context under which one can be communally condemned or isolated due to religious scrutiny is by far minority to the whole of society and I would argue that fear towards concepts of the divine or established dogma may prove good as a net to which retains people from devolving into destructive and disorienting falsehoods and a never-ending journey inward that may never be fruitful. However, I would have to agree on your notion of extremists in the contrary due to rigid established systems condemning the personal journey that may prove itself fruitful towards objective enlightenment, even when it involves a great deal of trial and error and suffering or endurance that may be concluded in a veil of something other than truth. The ten commandments stand as a foundation for modern secular law and I find it justifiably so. They're an excellent piece of objective good and just morality put into rule.
@@Steakntatoes I think the fear resides from commitment. Fearing routine, structure, discipline. They would rather constantly chase a fleeting perception in order to feel that rush and excitement u would get from learning about a "new" religion. In this sense they are restless and filled with anxiety despite appearing to be spiritual
@@MoLupo21 The prevalence of that fear is a tragedy. I suppose we could only hope that people find worthy conviction and the kind of peace brought on by serious introspection. Thanks for the replies, I thoroughly enjoy your topics and art.