Just cooked up a batch of collagen animal glue last weekend! You are absolutely correct that you get more glue per ounce of material if you use sinew and connective tissue rather than rawhide. And if you are willing to stick with the process long enough, virtually all of the sinew will eventually dissolve into glue leaving very little solids to be sifted out of the glue. Longer cook times mean you will need to add water more often, so be sure to use the water source that has the lowest mineral count possible to maintain purity in the final product. I make mine with a stove in the kitchen, so I use distilled water. Keep up the good education, Ryan! -JW_Halverson
If you're in a hot and humid environment the glue can be quickly broken down by bacteria if you let it dry in the pot, do everything to get it dry ASAP to avoid little bubbles of liquified glue
I would definitely agree with that especially in larger quantities. It might even be because I use a clay vessel that wicks away moisture, but in this quantity its fully hard and dry in the pot typically in less than a day. But I have been using this same clay pot and sinew method for quite a while and never had glue in the pot spoil, but I definitely have when using larger quantities of knox gelatin glue in larger containers. Thanks for dropping that comment hopefully for others to see and consider
That river cane looked like it was stretching when you were pulling on it. River cane is an amazing tool for us to use. I think before pottery the use of soapstone bowls would have been used and perhaps a hole in the ground with a hide laid in it. The sinew pieces and water added along with hot rocks to get the temps up for a while. May be hard to keep it from boiling with hot rocks but I believe the hide glue could be made in that way. Always love what you do Ryan!
it's strong, but here in the humid NorthEast it needs to be covered with something. It gets sticky and loosens otherwise. The use of pine pitch was more common here
Just returned from the NYS museum which had excellent displays of ice age hunting scenes and later Iroquois/Mohawk cultures. This beats those however! Outstanding achievements, Ryan.
Wow that was some strong glue I can't wait till I get me some send you to make me that type of glue right now I'm using pine resin to make my glue. Thanks for the video it was an excellent tutorial about making glue from sinew. Have a great day and stay safe and keep your powder dry and your glue sticky!
I don’t think that would work. There two entirely different things with different purposes so I doubt it would mix well. But who knows, I’ve only made pine pitch.
Hi Ryan, I'm officially bugging you about doing a video on sinew backing with Titebond 3. I get a lot of questions about that and being from Michigan, I only use hide or sinew scrap glue. I have subscribers that live in damper parts of the World and all I have is second hand knowledge of sinew backing with engineered glues. Anyway, I'm a fan, keep up the great work!!! John
I used to find river rocks with deep pits and holes in them. I used to put them in the fire to each them up and would put eggs into the smooth holes to cook. Some were big enough to to put lots of water etc. into to boil. I’m sure they could be used in the place of pottery.
Working on some two piece hard leather sole Comanche style moccasins and was Looking for a natural alternative to bind the hard leather so soft looks good up before stitching was wondering if this would work for this application Had a couple people recommend is shoe goo or E60 but I want to to stay natural
I’ve just found your channel today & it truly is fascinating & you have a top notch high quality presentation. I’m glad to find out you have a book & plan on buying it soon…, the first video of your’s that I came across earlier today was on using copper ore for flint knapping which was flat out fascinating. On the lines of using materials not normally thought of as being used in the Stone Age ‘like copper ore’ I was wondering, grinding stones were made by aboriginals of Australia over sixty five thousand years ago, could one use certain types of materials such as copper ore or even abrasive stone materials like emery, or possibly even trona, or borax ‘which I’ve used for detailed sandblasting of stone’ to work a smooth stone bowl before the bronze or Iron Age to make the stone or cooper ore tools more effective.., for that matter, could the trona or borax in areas like Nevada where it is found all over of been used to improve the more primitive forms of low temperature cured clay to make the bowls for the production of glue more durable?
Never even occurred to me that gelatin is glue. But I’m interested too how chewing sinew creates the same strong bonding that heat and a slow boil in a pot does.
Now that I’ve had a chance to finish the video, I think it did turn out right after all! People were telling me it should be crispy, and mine was gooey but firm. Thanks again!
I need some help. I want to make arrows but I don't have permission from the owner of the land I will be hunting to cut any wood or cane for shafts. There are a lot of cattail growing in the road side. I was wondering if you have any experience or tips for using cattail and when to cut it?
Hello, Im new to making arrowheads, but I live in a state where there is no flint, chert, etc around. The only materials that I have to my disposal are deer antler, limestone, and sandstone. How would someone in my situation make an arrowhead?
Did you knap those points on the wall behind you at end of video? I collect them and curious. If you found them they are amazing..well they're amazing either way.
I'm new to your channel, and find them informative and inspiring. I'm thinking of building a bow, and would like to know if it should be made of sapwood, or heartwood?
I think most bowyers say that you peel the bark off white woods and that is the back of the bow right there...Easy peezy as long as you dont violate the back when you are roughing out the stave...With that said, do your own research and dont trust everything you read in You Tube comments..lol...Good luck!
i read when i was young that the Mongolians made fish mouth glue for there composite bows and i cant find anywhere on the internet about fish mouth glue i cant remember the book i read either? any one herd of fish mouth glue?
Yeah hide glue is tough stuff. Its what they used to use to make and glue guitars together back in the day. All the way up till like the 80s. Some people still use it today
If you use something else than sinew, will the glue drop its effectiveness? Fish skin is used for musical instruments, is it because it's not that strong?
I don't think there will be any noticeable different in strength. It's all kinda the same stuff when it is rendered down, but I havent made fish glue to compare it to.
No fish skin glue was used in China because it was cheap and readily available. I used to work in a violin shop and we used animal Hide glue but NEVER fish based glue not ever. Animal hide glue is a very strong bond. It will even pit Glas the adhesive is so strong. The one thing is the two pieces of wood have to mate perfectly Together. Hide glue cannot bond and hold to itself with the same strength little actually. The 2 flat pieces of wood with no space between the two pieces will bond stronger then many other glues. We used it on violins because a bit of warm water and light presure and we could poo the instrument apart and do repairs. Any other glue doesn't have the same ability in strength performance, repairable ease, and most importantly it doesn't dampen or change the musical tone and performance of the instruments. I forget the actual number but it's many thousands of pounds per square inches.
Some things we can ship and somethings we cannot. If you shoot an email to huntprimitive@gmail.com kelly in the office should be able to check on a shipping quote/availability to canada, thanks very much
I went online and was looking at your products and merchandise and I like your new glass bows I hope you do a video on shooting but I did notice that you had a couple new shirts one of them had something to do with a buffalo and you have the F-bomb own it this is just my opinion but that is not a good thing my opinion only
Strongly advised by Koreans AND Japanese horn /sinew /bamboo--bow makers to de -grease this fish.bladder tendon /sinew /hide glue ! Do you agree /? Obviously their must be a % of animal fat --that will affect the glue strength ?
Just cooked up a batch of collagen animal glue last weekend! You are absolutely correct that you get more glue per ounce of material if you use sinew and connective tissue rather than rawhide. And if you are willing to stick with the process long enough, virtually all of the sinew will eventually dissolve into glue leaving very little solids to be sifted out of the glue. Longer cook times mean you will need to add water more often, so be sure to use the water source that has the lowest mineral count possible to maintain purity in the final product. I make mine with a stove in the kitchen, so I use distilled water. Keep up the good education, Ryan! -JW_Halverson
If you're in a hot and humid environment the glue can be quickly broken down by bacteria if you let it dry in the pot, do everything to get it dry ASAP to avoid little bubbles of liquified glue
I would definitely agree with that especially in larger quantities. It might even be because I use a clay vessel that wicks away moisture, but in this quantity its fully hard and dry in the pot typically in less than a day. But I have been using this same clay pot and sinew method for quite a while and never had glue in the pot spoil, but I definitely have when using larger quantities of knox gelatin glue in larger containers. Thanks for dropping that comment hopefully for others to see and consider
Thats not true
That river cane looked like it was stretching when you were pulling on it. River cane is an amazing tool for us to use. I think before pottery the use of soapstone bowls would have been used and perhaps a hole in the ground with a hide laid in it. The sinew pieces and water added along with hot rocks to get the temps up for a while. May be hard to keep it from boiling with hot rocks but I believe the hide glue could be made in that way. Always love what you do Ryan!
it's strong, but here in the humid NorthEast it needs to be covered with something. It gets sticky and loosens otherwise. The use of pine pitch was more common here
Just returned from the NYS museum which had excellent displays of ice age hunting scenes and later Iroquois/Mohawk cultures. This beats those however! Outstanding achievements, Ryan.
....as ALWAYS......nice , entertaining and educationally sound!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Greetz from the Netherlands!!!
Love it thanks for the info and you're dedication
thanks very much
sinew is one the best quality sources for animal glue , thanks for the video
Keep up the Great work. I really enjoy your videos
Wow that was some strong glue I can't wait till I get me some send you to make me that type of glue right now I'm using pine resin to make my glue. Thanks for the video it was an excellent tutorial about making glue from sinew. Have a great day and stay safe and keep your powder dry and your glue sticky!
Purty neat, Mr Ryan. Waiting for a demonstration on how to sinew back a bow using that glue.
Hola cuánto tiempo se deja secar los tendones antes de hacer el pegamento
Great tutorial I was looking this up cause I'm planning on getting into the ink stick business!
Great video brother!!!
Have you ever combined hide glue with pine pitch? If so, what were the results?
I don’t think that would work. There two entirely different things with different purposes so I doubt it would mix well. But who knows, I’ve only made pine pitch.
This is an awesome video. Thanks Ryan.
Hi Ryan, I'm officially bugging you about doing a video on sinew backing with Titebond 3. I get a lot of questions about that and being from Michigan, I only use hide or sinew scrap glue. I have subscribers that live in damper parts of the World and all I have is second hand knowledge of sinew backing with engineered glues. Anyway, I'm a fan, keep up the great work!!! John
Those points that you have framed and mounted on the wall behind you, did you make them or find them?
I used to find river rocks with deep pits and holes in them. I used to put them in the fire to each them up and would put eggs into the smooth holes to cook. Some were big enough to to put lots of water etc. into to boil.
I’m sure they could be used in the place of pottery.
Can you give me the link how to get that sinew.thank a lot guy
What would happen if you mixed pine pitch in this? Do they not mix? Never tried it.
Working on some two piece hard leather sole Comanche style moccasins and was Looking for a natural alternative to bind the hard leather so soft looks good up before stitching was wondering if this would work for this application Had a couple people recommend is shoe goo or E60 but I want to to stay natural
You can make it in a vessel inside a pressure cooker on a jar rack
I’ve just found your channel today & it truly is fascinating & you have a top notch high quality presentation. I’m glad to find out you have a book & plan on buying it soon…, the first video of your’s that I came across earlier today was on using copper ore for flint knapping which was flat out fascinating. On the lines of using materials not normally thought of as being used in the Stone Age ‘like copper ore’ I was wondering, grinding stones were made by aboriginals of Australia over sixty five thousand years ago, could one use certain types of materials such as copper ore or even abrasive stone materials like emery, or possibly even trona, or borax ‘which I’ve used for detailed sandblasting of stone’ to work a smooth stone bowl before the bronze or Iron Age to make the stone or cooper ore tools more effective.., for that matter, could the trona or borax in areas like Nevada where it is found all over of been used to improve the more primitive forms of low temperature cured clay to make the bowls for the production of glue more durable?
i would like to know your opinion about bone arrowhead and bone knife and their performance compared to stone arrow head and stone knife ?
thanks
Primitive glue is way better than any modern glue you can find in the shops.
Never even occurred to me that gelatin is glue. But I’m interested too how chewing sinew creates the same strong bonding that heat and a slow boil in a pot does.
Thanks for making this video. I’ve been trying to make some for the last few days and I don’t think it turned out right..
Now that I’ve had a chance to finish the video, I think it did turn out right after all! People were telling me it should be crispy, and mine was gooey but firm.
Thanks again!
We use the same process but we use the deer hoof to get our glue.
Thats impossible
@@croft5941 nah
Our traditional native ways have been working for us, for a very long time.
Love the videos, keep it up
Great video! Love the content 👊
Which one is stronger...pine pitch or sinew hide glue?
Can you make a video of your new glass cherokee bow please?
I need some help. I want to make arrows but I don't have permission from the owner of the land I will be hunting to cut any wood or cane for shafts. There are a lot of cattail growing in the road side. I was wondering if you have any experience or tips for using cattail and when to cut it?
My son and I love your chanell and both think you should go on the show 'alone'. Any plans?
I'm going to have to get that book.
Does sinew based hide glue have better tensile strength than a hide based hide glue?
Hello, Im new to making arrowheads, but I live in a state where there is no flint, chert, etc around. The only materials that I have to my disposal are deer antler, limestone, and sandstone. How would someone in my situation make an arrowhead?
Hey hey where you at I missed your video on Friday I hope you all are well 10-4
Thanks Brother!
Did you knap those points on the wall behind you at end of video? I collect them and curious. If you found them they are amazing..well they're amazing either way.
Yes he makes and sells them, if you google his name you’ll find his store.
can you use road kill?
Hi . How do we buy the book ?
hi
i would like to know if Neanderthals did hunt by throwing there spear?
and what hunting tools do they had and how they use them?
best regard
I'm new to your channel, and find them informative and inspiring. I'm thinking of building a bow, and would like to know if it should be made of sapwood, or heartwood?
It would depend on the type of wood
@@esben181 I have Ash and Hickory trees.
I'm not an expert but I've seen and heard sapwood is usually used. The very outer is faced in usually.
I think most bowyers say that you peel the bark off white woods and that is the back of the bow right there...Easy peezy as long as you dont violate the back when you are roughing out the stave...With that said, do your own research and dont trust everything you read in You Tube comments..lol...Good luck!
@@seanarmstrong7767 Thank you. Good advice.
i read when i was young that the Mongolians made fish mouth glue for there composite bows and i cant find anywhere on the internet about fish mouth glue i cant remember the book i read either? any one herd of fish mouth glue?
Sturgeon swim bladder. Or any fish swim bladder?
Yeah hide glue is tough stuff. Its what they used to use to make and glue guitars together back in the day. All the way up till like the 80s. Some people still use it today
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If you use something else than sinew, will the glue drop its effectiveness? Fish skin is used for musical instruments, is it because it's not that strong?
I don't think there will be any noticeable different in strength. It's all kinda the same stuff when it is rendered down, but I havent made fish glue to compare it to.
No fish skin glue was used in China because it was cheap and readily available. I used to work in a violin shop and we used animal Hide glue but NEVER fish based glue not ever. Animal hide glue is a very strong bond. It will even pit Glas the adhesive is so strong. The one thing is the two pieces of wood have to mate perfectly Together. Hide glue cannot bond and hold to itself with the same strength little actually. The 2 flat pieces of wood with no space between the two pieces will bond stronger then many other glues. We used it on violins because a bit of warm water and light presure and we could poo the instrument apart and do repairs. Any other glue doesn't have the same ability in strength performance, repairable ease, and most importantly it doesn't dampen or change the musical tone and performance of the instruments. I forget the actual number but it's many thousands of pounds per square inches.
@@huntprimitive9918 thanks!
@@vikingskuld excellent, thank you for that information!
@@vikingskuld thats not correct. Do more research
i wish you shipped to Canada 🍁 🍁 on your website
Some things we can ship and somethings we cannot. If you shoot an email to huntprimitive@gmail.com kelly in the office should be able to check on a shipping quote/availability to canada, thanks very much
@@huntprimitive9918 thank you will do
I went online and was looking at your products and merchandise and I like your new glass bows I hope you do a video on shooting but I did notice that you had a couple new shirts one of them had something to do with a buffalo and you have the F-bomb own it this is just my opinion but that is not a good thing my opinion only
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Just now wondering how to make hide glue, during watching the skining bison video,
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However, this glue has quite a serious disadvantage, it is very sensitive to moisture.
does rawhide glue behave the same way as sinew glue in this regard?
Ur a bad ass .
Strongly advised by Koreans AND Japanese horn /sinew /bamboo--bow makers to de -grease this fish.bladder tendon /sinew /hide glue ! Do you agree /? Obviously their must be a % of animal fat --that will affect the glue strength ?
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