Kpop Lead Vocalists Who Need Vocal Lessons ASAP (with respect)
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
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The way I see it, Yeji (and Lia + Chaeryeong) don’t only need actual vocal trainers but those girls DESERVE vocal trainers. The amount of untapped potential with them is kind of crazy.
The entirety of Itzy are untapped when it comes to vocal potential. They're working with scraps and still making it work, albeit we can clearly see they're slowly declining.
I love Yeji’s voice, can you imagine if she was given a top vocal coach what she’d be able to achieve
If I was them I'd ask Lilly to train me.
ryujin too!! her voice in mr. vampire has potential i think
Ryujin too. Every time I hear her sing, I think about how lovely her voice would be if they showed her how to use it
"hang out with NMIXX more" would be the vocal solution to all JYP idols.
edit: omg 700 likes 😳
Including Jihyo?
ofc mf
@@ddhika7332yes jihyo teach lily mid belts and lily Upper mix belt to jihyo
@@Entiteledoncelinkstayarmyhaewon should teach lily AND jihyo how to do proper mid belts
@@imnotwisdom haewon and lily complement each other so well.
Yeji pains me the most, I hope and pray she takes a page out of Seungmin's book and find a vocal trainer outside of JYP because she has so much potential.
the thing is that the notes she has to sing are all so out of her range (same with the other members). it's hard to improve when the notes are difficult to reach to begin with
Wait r u praising seungmin or shading him, i feel like I read this wrong 😭😭
@@wolfchan_1997i think they're praising him
@@wolfchan_1997taking a page is positive!!
@@wolfchan_1997 I think they're shading JYP for not giving them proper training in the first place
Sometimes i love hearing certain idols vocals, but i worry about their vocal health at times...
This is where proper training comes in too. If you are singing wrong, it strains your vocal chords leaving them susceptible to nodules.
For me it's taehyun, Jimin, Wendy, Jin, zhanghao, taerae and the list goes on.
@@hanblue1225 Wendy??
@@hanblue1225WENDY???
@@hanblue1225 get wendy out of that list wtf
Another person that came in my mind while watching this video is Yujin from IVE. Girly has so much potential but undercooked technique.
i think yujin is improving a lot compared to her izone era and ive's debut days, maybe that's why he didn't put yujin in this video but idk
@@dks13nic Agreed, but I hope that they won’t have a comeback similar to I AM soon…
I' m not sure but I think she is taking one currently
Yujin is definitely surviving with style over substance.
I love her voice 😍. All Ive members has really beautiful and distinct voice from each other. I hope they all get proper training😢
Yep, since Nmixx has their own personal vocal coach...Lily
THIS. If idols want good vocal coaching, they need to have learned it BEFORE joining a company. Company vocal training is low average to average at best. Once one person is fully trained, they can share their learnings with other members.
But…Lily scream sings lol and is super pitchy. One of the least pleasant vocals…ill never get this. 🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
@@krisuler7734 Yeah, no. Regardless if you like her parts during NMIXX's songs, Lily is one of 4th gen's best vocalists. The point is that she can support a variety of ranges and doesn't struggle with live singing.
If you don't like how she screams, blame the song producers for giving her those parts. The fact she's even able to sing parts that are ridiculously high pitched is impressive in itself.
@@areanaangel8964average at best ? You haven't heard Bae's voice ig.
@@krisuler7734Yeah I prefer Lia’s vocal tone over Lily. Even if Lily has the better technique. Technique is not everything.
I think a bg version of this video would also be interesting
I think of a Lot of names there
@@AdToPrme too
Yes, please
I can think of a lot of hate comments too. bg stans can be as bad as gg stans.
Yeah, there's definitely quite a few BG that need have a list of their own but some of their stans are too delusional to admit it
You forgot JYP, he needs to be here 🤣
He's not a lead vocalist 😂 he's the main one
Let the meme be the meme please 😹
he's not a lead vocalist hahaha
@@Gush12 bruh😂😂
I am a blink however I think they all need training the thing is that all of them have great potential
I feel that way about some other very large groups from 3rd gen
Jisoo could've been an ace with proper training. Her potential was crazy
@@talesmachadovertelototally agree she has the largest vocal range in the group i mean with the proper training jisoo and rosé could become vocal powerhouses
It is up to them, it has been for years and their lack of interest on improvement is a shame because they posses a lot of talent.
@@talesmachadovertelo an ace? be fr. an ace has to be really good at singing, rapping, dancing and songwriting & composing. she's not even considered a (very) good vocalist, which obviously is her main focus. you can't even call her an allrounder, let alone an ace.
The way i gagged myself when i saw Yoohyeon, but know what? I now see it, and i have a theory: considering that Siyeon and Yoohyeon usually get the most demanding parts in DC' music, it could that the new producers that work with the group (considering that the group's main producer left after Vision) are pushing Yoohyeon into the same style that Siyeon has?
Yoo struggled during maison so bad and I think it's unfair because she pushes herself a lot
Both of them should get more lessons bc their talent is immense and should not be wasted by bad technique and songs that are too demanding
That would be ridiculous if that's the case. Because, Siyeon and Yoohyeon DO NOT have the same range and caliber. They're only setting Yoohyeon up for failure by comparison. Same with comparing Sua and JiU. . .
@@ChloeBxno. Siyeon naturally knows how to sing. Idk about yoohoo
i don't think so, bcs the producers doesn't need Yoohyeon to have the same style as Siyeon BCS they already have SuA to do the job. The pattern for Dreamcatcher similar style vocal line always been Siyeon & SuA / Yoohyeon & Handong / JiU & Gahyeon and they never changed it. I think she might be struggle on something behind the scenes that we don't know. My guess would probably of tiredness or maybe lost of confidence.
@@ChloeBx nah Siyeon is fine
I am just here thinking if these idols spent a year getting vocal training at SM academy, they could fix all their issues. A few of these idols just need better breath control and support
I mean, look at the 4th/5th gen idol main vocalist, lots of them were sm trainees 😂
@@uc6758 The main vocalists at SM were already professionally trained before they became trainees at SM. Something that fans aren’t aware of. The key to become a good vocalist is to get vocal training before entering the industry because you can’t rely any label to train properly because the industry overall is indifferent to it
@uc6758 like who, for how long did they train and why did SM reject them?
@inquisitvem6723 that is not accurate. Taeyeon was trained in SM academy, Jaejoong said he practiced alone till joining SM, Boa was 11 when accepted for her dancing so trained at SM, Jessica was also accepted for dancing so learned singing at SM, Kyuhyun was in a band but not professionally trained due to his parents being opposed to him singing as a career, Hyesung was scouted in the US when he did a singing contest on whim but no formal training, Onew attended SM academy, Kangta was casted as a dancer so learned singing at SM...well you get the point. SM liked casting young too so not sure how much 'professional training 10-11 year Olds can get, especially boys because their voice will start to break and they need to relearn to use your voice.
@@DREAM-re2up taeyeon had professional vocal training before she got to SM…once there they got there, they received more additional training. Wendy and Luna had training before getting into SM. Same for Lina the Grace. Baek, D.O,and Chen had training prior to joining SM
I think yeji has great potential in my opinion, she has strong voice
she's way better compared to 2019-2021. she improved a lot vocally after 2022, so we can probably see her growing better in the future too
As a singer when she is singing high note she is literally screming😅 so when ppl are saying like she is better than lia i think you should see vocal training bc trust yeji is not what we can call a "really good vocalist" (but i lv yeji❤)
@@user-dn2bb3jc8k I'm truly sorry but I had a stroke reading this. her high notes aren't screams, just because she's not relaxed doing it doesn't mean that she's screaming the high note. yeji is definitely not better than lia, it's quite obvious why lia is the main vocalist of itzy. yeji isn't a strong vocalist however she's incredibly stable, even with the hardest choreography. she's more of a dancer to begin with but vocally, she does have potential to improve like she did during 2022 - 2024 (it would be way easier for her with a vocal coach though)
They all need training but they won't get .why waste money when fans actually don't care . Fans talk he/she is bad vocalist and then goes on defending them for their weak vocals
Second, not everyone is like Baekhyun (who still takes vocal lessons despite being top Vocalist) or seungmin (who wanted to improve himself). Rest just ride their popularity
I guess it would be in the companies monetary interest if their idols have some vocal longevity, but with the 7 year contracts that is probably exacly the point why they dont need that. In the end, yeah its the fans that need to stop accepting abysmal vocals.
If I were an idol, I would care about my vocals.
Even if I were a main dmacer for examples, I would do everyth to be a good vocalist. Even main vocalist.
I would want ro be at the top. I would love people to tall about my vocals.
But yeah, I guess some idols dont care about vocals. Just want to be decent.
It’s good for learning proper technique so you can preserve your vocals.
*ahem* *ahem* Lesserafim 💀
@@annanowak9620 that sounds good but kpop Idols nowadays think otherwise.
honestly i agree with you i hope jisoo puts in the work because i do believe she has potential and i love her voice i dont want her to stop singing yk
I’m pretty sure that’s the point. Companies don’t want to spend all the money and time to train a good soloist because then they can just leave the company and make money on their own. The point is to make idols know that they’re nothing without the company.
Can we have a bg version? and I'm glad that you included bp & itzy most of them rely on their intuition instead of a good technique I hope they get some vocal lessons
i love Yeji's voice but it's just something was not right, she really needs a lot more vocal trainning
Some of her notes sound painful because she's straining so much I hope she isn't hurt
I just knew Itzy in Born To Be and Yeji sounds stable, but every ITZY member need some vocal help. If they keep singing this way their throats gonna EXPLODE. Their throats are not just struggling, they are fighting to survive.
I checked Cheshire and this type of singing is REALLY dangerous without proper technique. I am worried to how they performed their schedules with Cheshire. They can get injured, vocal chords injuries and nodules.
Exhaustive choreography + demanding vocal.
This. Fans excusing them saying there is no time when they are out of the rookie zone is wild to me. Shinee were busy as f**k around 2010-2012 Taemin still went from not being able to hold a note to one of the most reliable vocalists in the industry. Stray kids are busy AF now and Lee Know, Seungmin and I.N. have all started lessons outside of the company. It's possible when you want it to be 🤷♀️
Whilst I agree, we don't know if all idols are allowed to take lessons outside of their company.
@@gamerxarmymultistana lot of the artists here are older w some impact in the industry, I think the restraints aren’t as tight
@@bkzl but we can't know for sure.
@@gamerxarmymultistan I am 100% confident bp could've gotten more lessons years ago
@BSMutebi-uk3hi then that's a you problem, notice how little blackpink had comebacks or promotions. Do you really think that was all them? We have no idea what goes on being the scenes, so we shouldn't speculate on Wythe they are allowed to or not. We can critique the skills, and provide tips for improvement, but that's it.
Jeonghan and Joshua should definitely be on this list. Seventeen has an extremely solid vocal team with Seungkwan and DK being the main vocalist and Woozi in the lead. However, being part of the vocal team I really feel like Jeonghan and Joshua should start to be able to support their voices more consistently instead of only relying on their soft, airy voices.
Ya I agree with u but I really appreciate woozi for giving them appropriate notes that support their range nd hence prevent them from straining their voices nd It would be so great if they will able to recieve vocal training to refine their techniques( I don't think so jeonghan had enough time to do so he is soon enlisting maybe)
As 2 of the shorted trained people of the group.. Both of them improved a lot compared to the debut. I guess they never felt the need to learn belting etc because they joined after dk sk woozi and hoshi. Group needed someone to handle softer notes and falsettos so these two handle those. Plus you can see in Joshua doing well in 2 minus 1 and his covers. Jeonghan also is doing some rap parts like in super. Both of them are actually constantly improving compared to when they started and based on what the group needs.
So unless they want to have their solo careers (which I don’t think they showed much interest in), they are doing full justice to their parts in the group songs, so I don’t think they need to do anything more than what they are doing now.
They are not lead vocalists but i get what you're saying
Hoshi is not even the lead vocalist but he's better than those two
@@Hellokitty_391 yaa I think u get it
@@Anu2k091 yaa I was so much impressed by Joshua in 2minus 1 but considering the recent gose where he mentioned about his insecurity with his singing skills made me concerned about his vocals health nd jeonghan also had mentioned how he found some vocal unit songs a bit difficult to perform live although I had never found him being uncomfortable or nervous in any live performances he really knows his strength nd weakness nd always try to give his best but there is nothing wrong to recieve lessons to take care of their vocals health nd to be able to overcome their insecurity but it's upto them they are already doing great within svt
What makes NMixx so special is not just their singing ability, but that they can sing AND dance live well too, and sing live on spot impromptu…this is really admirable.
And they flopped well too.
@@liklaingamba but that doesn’t matter since you delusional kpop fans keep bitching about how kpop idols can’t sing right? 😂
@@liklaingamba that doesn’t matter since you kpop fans only complain about vocals right? Put the same energy in supporting idols as you do hating. 😂
And they are pretty stable. Their voices are so clean too.
Let us all drink SM ent water
Don't drink too much water ther are in the blink to submerged😂😂😂.
Irene and Yeri are not support vocal but there in SME lol
@@user-gf8ed5ty8n They can still stay on pitch at least. There are lots of idols these days who can't even stay on key.
I am very happy that you put Jennie and Jisoo on here. Jennie is my bias and I know she is very talented but I think we can all see that she definitely needs some vocal training. Her voice isn’t bad, but she does need vocal training I mean she is so talented to begin with, so I feel like nurturing that talent will be so wonderful for her career. Jensoo forever I love them so much but they definitely need vocal training. whenever I hear Jisoo’s voice I hear so much nasal I really just wanna hear her real voice sometimes.I know that they both need to train a lot because Jisoo has so much potential as well as Jennie I love them both so much.
Jennie was a rapper till now so I never asked her to much in the singing department and did not tought she wanted to keep releasing music but now as a soloist I hope she invest in proper training so she can explode her potential.
Jisoo's nasality is bacause that's how she talks. It happens with a lot idols
@@Lucas-jw4fy ok Ty I didn’t know
jisoo’s natural voice is nasal tho she just gets excessively nasal above like Bb4
Also, Jennie has revealed that she knows she is not one of the best singers, but during their trainee days, Jennie explained that it wasn’t about becoming the “best singers or dancers” but about proving their all-or-nothing mentality and determination to debut, letting nothing stand in their way.
‘“Before going on stage, rather than thinking about things like, ‘What if I’m not in tune,’ I think of how I’m going to shock everyone sitting out there.” - Jennie
I would love to see Yeji get some actual training by...well, anyone that isn't JYP honestly lol but I've seen her potential for so long and it pains me to see her and her entire group just not be allowed to flourish. Everyone on the list of course deserves/needs it, but Yeji hits almost a soft spot for how much untapped potential I feel like she has.
Yeah our girlie needs to ask Lily for a tutorial rq 😭
I love your channel cause you actually give constructive criticism instead of just hating on the grps you don't like (As a blink I've been through this a lot). You tell their weaknesses while telling their positive aspects too. Usually, people use really rough and rude words against blackpink for some reason and i get mad, but I love your vids.
I gasped when I saw Yoohyeon 😭
Sameeee
He chose a moment when her in ear wasn’t working
I grew up singing as a hobby in a couple of different environments. Projection was my biggest issue, but I always made sure to focus on technique. On the other hand there were vocalists in my circle who got a lot of positive attention from relying heavily on belting even when technique wasn’t present, so hearing healthy criticism of vocals such as Jennie’s and Yeji’s were kind of validating for me. Of course I wish them all the best.
I think Yoohyeon started mimicking Siyeon (dont quote me on that but I think she mentioned it once), that might be why
They both have vibrato but to different degrees. Yoohyeon might be putting pressure on herself to be able to harmonize with Siyeon on a higher than comfortable range though.
the comparisons just went kinda wrong, for the encore clips, i think there is problem with her in-ear, she could not hear herself and have to make some arrangements for that instead of higher notes. Maybe she does put more pressure on herself, but she is not mimicking Siyeon. Dude just show 3 clips without any proper or even detailed explanation and comparisons. So his argument here, are some what invalid
And yeah, this guy really had beef with Siyeon, kept on saying she will lose her voice in the past, long time ago, and yet i havent seen that happened yet, she just keeps singing better and better ( and now he is saying Yoohyeon trying to copy Siyeon, hypocrite). I mean, go watch the certified Sir Austin guys, hear what he always say and praise Dreamcatcher with proper knowledge, there are some critique as well, but
dont listen to this
Lol, this guy literally pulls out a once in a while moment when Yoohyeon had a problem with her inear when she was misleading by the chear and the inear melody. A lot of moments in recent concerts proved that she has improved, especially during Reason. Also this guy tend to disminish Siyeon vocal a lot when she sings in her own style. I have yet to any problem with Siyeon voice and she keeps improving over the last 10 years. Let they have their rock style singing. Don't be afraid.
@_PhungLeHoangNgoc yoohyeon is fine but sometimes siyeon has strained herself in recent times. I feel that Siyeon sometimes struggles to hit hugh notes cleanly but that's it. I feel that the new producers don't know her strengths at times and are giving siyeon hard notes that she cannot reach properly. But again everything else siyeon excels at.
Also I think she vapes? Which has a considerable effect on her vocal stamina
100% all of this. I really appreciate someone who can correctly identify and detail the things these idols need to work on.
It shocks me that some of these idols have been in the industry for so many years and fail to really excel vocally. I wish the industry would prioritize singing ability and intense training...for everyone.
I feel like too many production companies, idols, and fans are fine with idols being vocal one-trick ponies.
I would love my four pinks had more vocal training, I know they have much more potential that YG wasted
The problem is the girls were more or less in charge of their own training around one or two years after debut.
Idols are not regular employes, they are partners with their agencies, depending on their contract the agency can be on charge of their training (something I doubt that it is maintained after the idols debut) or it become the idol responsability to train and develop their own vocals techniques and musicality in exchange of a bigger part of the gains of their activities.
In case of huge succesful groups like BP, BTS, EXO, Red Velvet, Stray Kids or Seventeen or even medium succesfull groups like Kard, the agency can lend the instalations and instrumental but it is up to the idol to hire a vocal coach and a music teacher if they want to improve.
Some do that, actually even in SM the main vocalist from second gen had to have their personal teachers paid by themselves, something they have talked about it, and some idols from third gen have mentioned that to, new idols have yet to reach that stage so...
If BP members wanted they could have done it in the pass, still they can do it now because the resourced were there for they to have the proper training.
@@belaytriks ohhhh, interesting, thank u for that context
Actually rosé seems to be doing some vocal training, because her quality was getting sm better in the born pink tour. And she supported head voice and the 5th octave (and she's less nasal now so like)@@belaytriks
I did find it interesting how Jennie has stated that they were not trying to become perfect singers/dancers. They were just wanting to show that they could grow and show that they have an all or nothing attitude. and provide a shocking performance for their audience.
“Before going on stage, rather than thinking about things like, ‘What if I’m not in tune,’ I think of how I’m going to shock everyone sitting out there” - Jennie
@@DicePandaCreationz That is nice but you need skills and practice for that.
One of the bigest piano master of the modern times once made more or less this reflection when asked about his skills: "every day I have to practice my scales and chord, one day I do not practice I can notice, one week my mother can notice, one month my manager notice, it is the the diligence of my practice that lies my capacity to play"
It is in the practice and improvement of one craft were you can find the genius. Da Vinci himself used to said geniality is 10% talent and that genius spark and 90% diligent work and practice.
With all respect, that answer sounds like pretty excuses for her lack of practice, a dancer that does not practice lost flexibility and skills, a singer always do their best performances in the middle of a tour because their vocal chords get in perfect form before becoming tired.
You do not improvice a show, you plan it to be great, foresee any dificulty, practice until you know every single piece of it so when you can go on to the stage knowing you are ready to rise above any challenge it arise because there is always something you did not think and will have to solve in the moment in base to your skills and capacities that you have honned with time and patience.
Rose knows that if the music goes off she can still sing her hearth out to enchat her audience because she has practiced and do not need the music nor the support of the back track, she has many skills to enhance a song because she has acquired them trought practice over the time. Lisa knows that she can nail their choreographies everytime because she has practiced, and if for some reason she have to alter it, she knows many ways to adapt because she have many skills to do it because she has practiced them.
You can pull once, twice or maybe even more stages without having to practic but in one moment you will make mistakes that could be avoided, the quality will not be the same than some to had polish his/her skills for the same stage and charms will not always cover ones mistakes nor lack of skills, that is what happened to her in their tour.
It is good she thinks how to charm her public and have the confidence in her to know she will nail it but, her body needs to be ready and trained to do what she wants, when she wants and as she wants any time she wants and that is only achived trougth practice.
I wonder about your on pinion on ZB1 vocalists, since the new groups haven't been pictured here i'm curious.
I think most lead vocalists have great potential and could do better.
Would love to see his opinions on ZB1 and A.C.E! They're my current favorite vocal boy groups. Been a fan of both since they debuted!
ZB1 is easily the most talented 5th gen group vocally speaking. 7/9 of the members can support their own voices, Sung Hanbin & Park Gunwook (which, mind you, are main dancer and main rapper respectively) has a good vocal support up until D overall. Their real star comes from Zhang Hao and Kim Taerae where they shine exceptionally well in their ranges.
@@AdiPumbaKings I'm hopping up on your comment here to include a link for A.C.E too! If you love ZB1 for their vocals, you'll love A.C.E too!
@@emanueltheodorus1056Gun Wook is def gonna be a monster in the future, let hope Jelpi dont mess it up.
He can do everything, sing, rap, dance, cute, sexy, masculine.
🎉🎉🎉
@@emanueltheodorus1056 Actually 9/9 can support now. Yujin is now estimated to be better than Jiwoong at E+ and Gyuvin is E-
i love how Yeji is slowly but surely improving. It almost like she has intuitive and self aware knowledge of what her voice could be and she is slowly self improving. I am proud of her for holding her own this comeback as the officially unofficial main vocalist. As for Yoohyeon i feel for her because their main vocal Siyeon, as much criticism as she gets, was born to be a rock frontwoman. She has long built her technique for that hardcore rock style. It just so happens that main vocalists and lead vocalists have to share parts. I feel like their company should give SuA more obvious lead vocalist parts because surprisingly SuA has also developed a technique that is not unlike Siyeon (sometimes even better and safer) for those hardcore parts (for reference listen to all the Bon Voyage choruses and the bridge). Yoohyeon is an R & B powerhouse in the industry (reminds me alot of SM main players like red velvet aespa and SNSD vocal lines) and her voice while declining in power and reach up there still remains the most embellished voice in DC. I hope their producers get to utilize her voice properly as she recovers her upper power (also because DC dont take too long of a break between comebacks and are the most consistent group since debut in terms of comebacks and also because they tour alooooooooot so the girls are constantly touring) that concludes my love letter to Yoohyeon's voice and i wish her a speedy recovery
for yeji yes i fell she is improving her belts are less tens and throaty but her technique is not helping her
Yeji went from being at around Jisoo and Jennie’s level to rivaling Lia which is pretty insane for someone who seems to be getting no substantial training
@@DeeDeeDeeeee hmm...
i still think that its bcz she have a lot of vocal lines and she always sing live so i think that helped her to little improve, and i still think that she is not that far from jennie and jisoo
@@BP-tm6ye she’s not super far from them but she has a consistent sense of support within the range of around A3~G#4, where as Jennie’s is inconsistent (just like the rest of her singing), and Jisoo’s chestiness/nasality causes too many issues and blocks her from having healthy placement. Them ranked would be around:
1: Yeji
Slight Wall
2. Jennie
3. Jisoo
If you’re going entirely off of optimal placement and not consistency.
@@DeeDeeDeeeee yes that how i would rank them
As much as I love these KPop contents I really do miss the old format of featuring singers from different countries..
Idols need to be seen as more than merely the face of a company’s music. The KPOP Industry HAS to start taking idols more seriously because as it stands idols can’t even do solo work.
Thanks for this vid
Could the problem also be genre of music and the fact that a lot of these labels have artist sing above or below their range? I think jennie would be a good rock singer
Love this video so much! please, can you make a video about how HYBE tries so hard to make "live vocals" with so much production? I just heard the "perfect night live performance" on VEVO and that sounds so perfect to be live, but also has a lot of elements of real vocals, so I´m really confused about how far that company goes instead on invest on good vocal training...
Yeah. I said in one insta reel that it's not live and all the fearnots started attacking me😂.
Oh my gosh-yes!! I would love a video on this. It’s insane how much HYBE goes out of their way to cover up the lack of actually training their idols.
For live vocals... I go to encores because honestly they are incredible hard to find, specially for SM and some Hybe artists, and specifically for JK of BTS I go to his lives were he spend hours singing.
Live performances have unfortunately never been "live". SM definitely brought about that trend though it's just that HYBE's vocalists have been less than average (usually) so people take more notice of it. Radio shows, fancams during sound checks, encore stages, and livestreamed singing sessions are really the only way to hear them but even then it's sometimes tuned (not the videos, but the actual mics). HYBE needs to invest in basic vocal training for their idols cause it's a shame to see so much potential underutilized and untrained.
Hybe needs Jungkook to be their vocal teacher and teach them how to be stable 😅
But the thing about JK is that its obvious that he is passionate about singing.
I wonder if other idols are too. If they are not then they won't improve.
And edit: Yeah SM passed me off with encore stages that are impossible to find and starting the trend. Even lip synching a lot even tho they have a lot of amazing vocalists.
Now this is just a trend for all the comlanies
poor yooh, i think dc’s constant touring since 2022 and her drop in mental health since 2020 (which has reportedly caused her to vape) has had and is still having visible negative effects on both her singing dancing and physical health. wishing her the best ❤
Oh my god, I didn't know that; the guy is right, she needs to rest
@@strangeannie5160 yeah :)
@@strangeannie5160 also, we have the same name!! haha
👆 Yeah, I think she's is internalizing a lot of stress. She's engaging in behavior that is not healthy the past few years it seems. Wish she figures it out.
@@hefeibao wdym by ‘unhealthy behaviour’ ?? are you talking about her getting caught vaping?
I think none of them will go to the coach . Most of them are idols for 6-7 years already . They are successful, they have busy schedules for ads,fashion, projects etc . Maybe they don’t care about vocal lessons. They are comfortable with their weak voices
Ugh I want JYP to give Yeji a great vocal trainer SO BADLY. There’s so much potential there. AND JYP IF YOU DO NOT LOWER THOSE FKN KEYS I SWEAR
Jisoo has a good voice but she does nees a bit of vocal training to be real. She has one of the most beautiful voice but she needs good amount of vocal training, a voice like hers shouldnt go to waste beacuse its beautiful and if she trains to explore different aspect of her voice she would kill it
I love how you all are talking this constructive criticism very positive in the comments. We really need to have more of these type of conversations rather than just straight up defending idols because they’re our biases or we Stan them. These are all for their personal improvement and growth.
Lilly could give them some training if both her and JYPE was willing to help out the competition. Lol
Be serious please. Lily is not a vocal coach
@@erickacornu774 Lilly's members say she had helped them a lot with improving their singing so she could probably significantly help some of these idols.
@@brianlittrell797 No, but do you really believe that she can help her loved ones who have more experience in the industry? More seriously, what you need is a vocal lesson.
@@erickacornu774 Her loved ones? Are you referring to the idols that need vocal training? LOL. Yes, I think she can help those idols to some degree, but they should also go to at least one good vocal trainer outside their company.
@@brianlittrell797 she can help them to safe their life but not improving
I do wish they would get lessons... but I dont really see it when their fans say 'there is no issue' basically and some even claim vocal lessons are all 'on the company' - which I never agreed with, especially if the idol in question is an adult and has been around for a while (2 years or more in my opinion). But well, let's hope for the best.
the mago instrumental got me feeling nostalgic😭💖
This is the first time I’ve actually heard someone talk about Jisoo in such a respectful manner. A lot of times that’s not how things are done with a lot of KPOP stans. Usually it’s find something wrong now everyone attack attack attack make it out the be most horrific thing ever like they are doing to Lesserafim right now. They’ve made Jisoo out to be this sad excuse of a singer when the girl can actually sing like she is a vocalist at the end of the day. I really do hope that a lot of idols who need it not just the ones listed in this video take the time to actually invest in taking that next step & becoming a better vocalist. I never seen anything wrong with Jisoo’s voice only when she goes into the higher register especially so quickly like in “Flower” then that’s when things get shaky for her.
Personally as a blink i don't think jisoo is gonna do music solo she always wanted to be an actress
It was recently revealed that she’s working on solo music so she will most likely do both. but only time can tell what she’ll focus on more in the future
she might not bother improving but she will release more music
aren't other members entering acting? does that mean they won't release music?
and isn't she already an actress, to be an actress you don't have to give up on music
then why is jisoo only an actress?
she confirmed she is working on new music
I'd love to see a video about Vcha's vocals ❤
I really enjoy your videos!
Its a personal liking but i never get interested to anyone vocal in kpop as i did with jisoo, and my upmost regret is how she has potential but seems to never truly embraced it. She is growing, her vocal did getting stronger but her technique is NG. I hope she could finally manifest herself more after getting out from YG.
I watch jisoo vocal show case regularly she is definitely improving
But I hope she also rest well cause she is doing 2 acting projects, brand deals and also preparing her solo hope she will be healthy
@@keyurinaik8093 i don't think she is improving tho in 2018-2019 she was better than now
the problem is she really want to be a better singer
idk about her music pressure but we all know she didn't want to be a idol
@@BP-tm6ye I said what I saw on the basis of that I am watching many videos about it to understand whether she is improving or not so I can definitely say that she is improving
@@BP-tm6ye how you know she didn't want to be an idol before snow drop she done many covers if she is not interested in music or being idol then never do any music cover and also even though she have 2 acting projects still she is working on her own music
We should wait and see what she do after the release of her drama and movies also there is chance that she can sing OST
u should do lead vocalist that you like next week
I know this probably seems like a random request, but I would love to hear your thoughts on Denise Kim's vocals. She was the original main vocalist of a nugu group called Secret Number, but she still releases music and does covers on her own now. She originally trained under YG, and I think she's extremely skilled at what she does.
I'm actually really impressed how BP got this far with such a low skill level their marketing team doesn't get enough credit
Ngl facts
Because BlackPink was marketed more as a brand name than as an actual group from the very start .
They have great star quality, stage presence
@ed3245 I don't see that at all.
Specifically when that's the one thing that accusations of have plagued the group for years.
Them being terrible performers.
Their branding is insane but a lot of ppl forget that they were marketed as a rap first sing second group, that’s why a lot of their earlier songs have Jennie and Lisa rapping most of the verses and the vocalists only really were there to move the song along. Plus they all have very enticing tones (as subjective as tonality is).
You should check out Mingyu from DKZ! He is known as the top male vocalist of the 4th gen, and I would love to hear your thoughts on him. I personally believe his low notes and his occasional but present airy singing style are an issue. I suggest giving a listen to his cover of Ahn Ye-Eun's 'Magic Lily' and '홍연' by the same artist. As well as his cover of Lee Juck's 'Laundry.'
Yeji seems to have improved since Lia's departure (check out Ringo live and also her performance on Lee Munjin's service), but yeah I think she's maxed out as far as what JYP can offer.
Could we please have an all round 2ne1 vocal analysis?
i'd love to see a video about the xdinary heroes vocal line - they're incredibly talented and you should check them out!
Can you make a vocal critique video on individual members of New Jeans?
can you do a video where you rate (g)-idle singing skills and if any improvement they had or how they stack up to the rest of the groups .
i always look forward to your content, especially this series!!
Jisoo has such a nice raspy voice. Hopefully she gets lessons. She’d kill it if she did.
It makes me sad when I see these idols struggle trying to sing their lines, like I could feel the pain on the Yeji, Yoohyeon, and specially the Taehyun clips you've feature on this vid series.😩 It makes me want to drink water and suck on some halls.😭 Those 3 idols have lovely vocal tones, just wished they were properly trained.
I would like to know your opinion about the vocalists of BND, ZB1, XIKERS and other male groups
i'll only speak on ZB1 cuz i have not listened to the other 2 groups. ZB1 is a rlly solid vocal group. all 9 members have at least the basis down. so far, looks like the strongest 5th group in terms of vocals (and a lot better than a ton of 4gen groups)
I've been wanting to ask, what do you think about class:y as vocalists ? Since all of the vocal line are self trained besides hyungseo
i'm curious of what you think about newest boygroups like boynextdoor, riize, zb1, tws etc. i think there are some promising vocalists among them
Could you pls do jyp (soloist) vocal analysis?
he's rlly bad, let's leave it at that
What do you mean JYP is wonderful *techno sounding person trying to push out a poop*
Don't quote me but Yoohyeon has signs of nodules. This is exactly what Tiffany sounded like before she had hers diagnosed
Nodules?
Nodules in a second Dreamcatcher member would suck so bad. SuA had them and had to have surgery in 2018. 😢
ooh.. that would be bad... hopefully not. Cos they are likely to get them with DC music style and what Yoohyeon especially has to do to match Siyeon's vocals
@@ReapTheWhirlwind oh shit...but I feel like that is showing these girls are straining their vocals
@@DREAM-re2up Don't worry. Everyone needs to practice, especially cause their songs keep getting much more difficult since Reason came out. At least I can see Yoohyeon has improved in the recent concerts, you can compare her singing Reason in 2024 to 2023. This guy literally picks a moment when Yoohyeon got distract by her in ear lol.
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Jennie is my absolute favorite kpop girlie and that's exactly why i agree with you, the potential is there, i just hope she takes her time and learns how to use her voice better. She has my favorite tone in blackpink, her voice is tasteful and has some soul sometimes. I really hope she takes lessons
Yoohyeon on this list? Lol wow
what are your thoughts on Nayeon and Jeongyeon from Twice?
He finds them decent. According to him, there's a technical gap between Jeongyeon/Nayeon and Jisoo (and obviously Jennie). He said Jeongyeon's potential is scary and "can give Jihyo a run for her own money." He also said Nayeon has a stronger lower register than Rosé.
As an Itzy fan I would love for Yeji to get vocal training because she has an amazing voice, she's clearly comfortable in the higher register, and she is definitely not tone deaf, it's just about control. I'll always be puzzled by the fact that idols undergo insane training for multiple years, allegedly practicing for hours and hours on end yet they rarely excel at what they do except for the few who are either very good dancers, or those who already had good vocals prior to training. Maybe if you're not gonna let your idols train correctly you could at least let them get some more rest. Unfortunately, I doubt this will happen because it seems to be a very big thing in South korea. They seem obsessed with putting in the hours, working for such a long time but not actually being that productive.
For intonation, I often think singers should learn to play an instrument, preferably one that requires keeping it in tune. It certainly can't hurt.
what about kazuha sakura dude literally bro they don't even try to sing they speak
This is a lead vocalist edition; both Sakura and Kazuha have already been in previous parts😉
To the idiots who thinks kpop is only for singing 😂😂😂.
One of YG’s biggest mistake is letting Gummy leave since she was their main vocal coach. She coached Big Bang, 2NE1, Big Mama…. Sigh…
BIG MAMA has a vocal coach 😂😂 like why!
most of sm idols are trsined inhouse and even those that have prior training are also still trainrd in SM. Not only that, they continue training even after debut
And ther are idiots to debute under sm company that is in the blink to submerge.
I was surprised to see sihyeon here since she's the best vocalist in the group. But i do agree tho they still need proper vocal training. Surely they can show some improvement especially looking back at how sihyeon show her improvement duringa la di da and first.
These companies keep giving out songs that are waaayyyy higher than the idols range - jisoo jennie yeji always having to strain their voices to sing higher notes… yes they need development, and they also need songs IN THEIR RANGE, right? I think that’s also part of why they sound so nasally and always sing flat
And they can't ask for a song in their own range? Jennie is a bad singer plain and simple. Jennie's cover of snowman was done by her company not yg and it still sucked. She tries to go for stylistic elements then fails horribly. Copies other vocalists tone and intonation and fails miserably at it. Sounding vocally botched at best. Why would I spend time listening to a cheap imitation of Billie Eilish or Lily rose Depp when I can just listen to those artists? Jennie never had a voice or vocal tone, it was always copied, from her seniors at yg to other musicians. Jisoo has tons of potential but I think her vocal coaches don't know how to train her. Also she tends to bite more than she can chew vocally. She isn't ever gonna be a soprano so she should harmonize with Rose on rose's lowest notes not competing with Rose on her high notes. That's why she cracks a lot. She over estimates her skills. I don't listen to yeji so I can't diagnose her. But Jennies problem isn't just a skill issue, Jennie is just a copy cat who can barely sing but thanks to media play people have convinced themselves that she can
@@user-rl4ij8ih2j yes jennie definitely tries to sing in cursive like rosé and it doesnt work for her at alllll lol and she lacks confidence which doesnt help either. I dont think the company will allow them to change the song into their range…they rather autotune/edit the voice and turn their microphone volume way down on stage so no one can hear how flat they are. I honestly feel bad for jisoo’s vocal chords because she strains her voice sooo much, but she sounds really amazing when she sings in her own range. Jisoo singing within her own range sounds better than jennie.
@@ablack012993 she sings cursive but not like Rose. she uses cursive as a way to escape tedious parts in songs and copies vocal tones and styles of more experienced singers (Billie, Dua even Lily Rose Depp).
The company would because they've mentioned the company sending songs back to the song writers to change it to their range. In several interviews from the members and their collaborators.
Even Hard to love was sent to the song writer to pitch it to range before yg gifted it to Rose
We NEED more mamamoo's in the k-pop industry (T_T)
Hey man! Hope you've been doing well lately :)
Sometimes a bad vocal coach can destroy your voice…
I would add yujin from ive and chaewon from lesserafin, personaly I think they are weaker than some names here
You have to be kidding with yujin. She is way better then these girls.
@@via45sorry but her technique is not that good
@@via45 sorry, but she her technique is weaker than yeji's, she also loses in to her in intonation sense of pitch and stability, for example. But I think her and yeji have a pretty similar case with great potential but underwhelming technique
Hasn't yujin from Iv e gotten better in her "Born This Way" cover?
@@ClubPuguin she has been getting better, but her technique is still quite underdeveloped
Yeji is really good vocalist getting to high notes and was the unknown weapon of jyp and was the number one trainee before she debuted, she´s NOT a BAD voalist, she´s one of the best vocalist of 4th gent
Delulu
Ft@@Seuminator
lmao
As a singer when she do hight note she is not singing she is screaming😅 so when you say she is one of the best 4th gen vocalist it make me going mad so if it make you happy or not she is not really a great vocalist she just have an hight voice (proof:we never hear vibrato when she sing compared to all of the good singer)😊(i'm not her for being rude just here to talk truth)
Plz check out ethiopian vocalists singing live and say sth abt it
Jennie's singing clips from early training days are much better than her current singing imo. Sadly, like the majority of YG's group members, she's been trained to do that choppy annoyed/angry texture-style method of singing and rapping. If she unlearns that and takes full control of her voice, I think she could be on the level of Rose, Nmixx, Aespa...She's very pleasant to listen to, when she actually sings.
There's absolutely nothing incorrect or wrong with saying idols have potential, but honestly EVERYONE has the potential to be a GREAT singer. While there are non technical aspects, singing is primarily a skill that can be practiced correctly and healthily. EVERYONE has the potential to sing, and sing WELL. Which is to say, every idol can and should learn to sing, no one really is hopeless
Yes but I do think this video points out some singers who really make you feel like they have wasted potential because they've somehow gotten so far based on pure intuition but are limited by other factors. It's not that kpop companies shld give up on everyone else, but if we had resources I wld be giving them to Yeji
Judging by the hint, maybe the next video is another in defense of pop vocals, but the kpop version? Ik rose was there in that video, but there are a lot of other vocalists in the kpop industry, and a lot more cases
Just speculation
Someone knows what they’re talking about👀😘
Please kpop industry hire our singers here in the Philippines as your vocal coaches.
To the idiots who thinks kpop is only for singing.
I don't know anything about vocal, but as Yeji's fan what's happening to Yeji really pains me.
Sometimes, I write under their videos "With such power in her vocal, imagine if she has better technique" in hope they (JYPE) will train her vocal more.
Their (Itzy) love to perform should be supported not only by their dance, their stability in singing but also their vocal. They have weak vocal technique, but look at their performances, they always give their all to the fans.
I think youngeun of kepler also fits this category....i don't think she had much vocal training..
Youngeun is considered the second Main Vocalist in Kep1er.
She auditioned and was training to be a rapper and main dancer before Girls Planet. When Kep1er debuted, she started taking regular vocal lessons and has made improvements, especially post-Queendom.
With her current technique, she about at Yeji's technical skill level. So it's good that she (along with other members of Kep1er such as Bahiyyih, Yeseo, and Chaehyun) are continuing to take vocal lessons when they can.
Yep. She's really impressive considering how she has very basic training. But I'm scared it'll damage her voice and since kepler is a temporary group I don't think they're giving her training...
@@cintajohnson3460 They're not. The members take vocal lessons outside of W1 with a professional trainer on their own dime. Youngeun, Bahiyyih, Chaehyun and Yeseo are the members who have publicly stated that they're taking vocal lessons. As long as they keep it up, I see great development in their future!
@@goldyd144 yep. Considering how they'll all mostly re-debut it'll be hard if they have bad technique at such a young age
Ending the video with (G)I-DLE is perfect. Shuhua never stops working on improving her vocal skills and is a good example of an idol who always works to continue to improve vocally, whilst being surrounded by strong vocalists and an excellent producer who help her along the way.
(It's actually part of why I'm a Shuhua stan- her hard work is so admirable)
The problem with idols is singing live on the spot…even the ones who supposedly are good singers. Many have issues even Wendy had that issue earlier in her idol career.
if itzy got proper vocal coaches they would EXPLODE with talent and skill!!!!!! i love them already but man it’s such a disservice to them to keep them singing material they dont yet have the technique for, which just reinforces their bad habits
Honestly yoohyeon is just not a high note singer, i dont see a regression
He has beef with DC so I don’t trust him but their new producer wants them to fit with Siyeon which isn’t hard for Sua cause Sua has proven that just because she’s a main dancer she can be a main vocal
I wonder about Yoohyeon too, is it because of tight schedule? Dreamcatcher almost suddenly go on world (North America) tours right after comeback stages. Does Yoohyeon has enough rest from singing? Or she got some illness? That's kinda worrying.
for Jennie it's such a shame that she was told to become a rapper and didn't have much opportunity to train her singing fortunately she said she's going to more focus about her vocal now (on dua lipa podcast)
Yoohyeon didn't have an ear piece during this encore, you can see clearly that she can't even hear her own voice
He also chose out of context clips of Siyeon multiple times and has a vested interest in spreading misinformation about DC’s vocal skill; embarrassing for the people that fall for it, but what can you do
I was a bit shocked at Yoohyeon. But now I get it. She may be my ult bias, but when I heard that Bon voyage encore I was very disappointed. She didn’t sound too great there. I think they may be pushing Deukae a little bit too much vocally, sometimes when Dami, Gahyeon or Handong sing high they sound like they’re straining. Anyway, we know how talented the girls are and I really hope Yoohyeon can improve!
In that encore she didn't have in ears plus fans were screaming so she couldn't hear herself, also since the main producer has left the new one is pushing her to harmonise with siyeon.
Idk if this is related but since 2020 they have been touring a lot and because of the stress she started vaping which affected her dancing and singing. If you hear her more recent performances you can definitely see that she's trying her hardest to improve
@@nouriharratane9460 I can see our girls are going for Siyeon style of singing (which is indeed good for rock so that they don't get overwhelm by their instrumental). Handong and Gahyeon started to use a lot of chest voice instead, and so does JiU. Their recent songs keep getting more and more difficult and vocally demanded, singing in the standard way with mix voice and head voice wouldn't be the best option once their songs get heavier. I've seen people cover their songs with the so-called right technique. But nope, it just doesn't work. Compare how Siyeon sang in her earlier days, during the Minx era and the first 2 ep, the difference is day and night. Siyeon used to sound a lot "lighter and brighter" due to the "right" technique which is what these online vocal coaches talking about, but Dreamcatcher doesn't need a main vocal like that though. Everyone is improving, we can all see that during the concerts. They just need to practice a lot to get used to it. But their approaches may not please these online ranking vocal coaches.
@@nouriharratane9460 Yes I can understand but the way people were praising her for changing the tone when she didn’t even sound good there was a bit strange. I have also noticed they’ve been touring a lot so I hope she’s ok
@@chuuislovechuuislife I agree she did get a lot of praise which is kinda weird , but she's a perfectionist so if you compare her reason performances of 2023 and 2024 you can see how much she improves
@@nouriharratane9460 honestly it was kind of just that performance that sounded bad. I think everything else recently sounds good
Despite me agreeing with most of the video, everything was so predictable and that's because we talk about female idols flaws all the time on every social media. I'd like to see more of this kind of videos for male idols
yea tbh we already know these people need. vocal lessons but there are a lot of under appreciated and overrated male idols in terms of vocals i wish he would talk about them too
Itzy should do like seungmin hire an outsider vocal coach
and ask help from both nmixx and aespa because they are friends with both groups, Yeji is very close to Karina i think she could Ask her for help i mean Karina is not of the level of Lily or NingNing but her technique is great and healthy
And for Jennie sure she definitely could and should take vocal lesson, but is she want to with the YG vision that she got of vocals ?
Anyways thanks for your video ! it's always a pleasure to listen your knowleadge in vocal topic for mewho have just a fews notions on the subject.
And not sing live like Aespa? No, thank you!
@@Nara24
What is the point of your comment ? 🤨🤨🤨🤨
Because :
1)aespa sing more often live than their debut
2) it's SM who impose them the lipsynking, even the senior sm idols who used to sing l full live (without back track) a decade ago lipsynk now.
3) the fact that they lipsynk don't change that their vocal skills is good and that between aespa and nmixx there are a hair
And before talking watch their live without lipsynk and their encore
Please. Someone give Sakura a proper vocal coach. *Please.*
BLACKPINK are aware they are not the best idols, Jennie said this in that baemon video. And with the way things are going after they left YG I feel like it was YG's fault. They were made to focus on fashion shows instead of practice live singing, I have hope in BP that they will get better.
Hi! Could you maybe give a link to the video?😉
@@aintnootherfanjust search babymonster last evaluation ep1