Two New Ways We Could Live on the Moon!
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- Опубликовано: 26 окт 2017
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Last week, engineers announced two possible lunar habitats: a big pillowy space closet and lunar lava tubes.
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SciShow Space dear scishow I have a question. In this video you mention that the moons atmosphere is very thin, but how thick is it exactly? My calculations suggest its about 3.85 kilometers. Is that correct?
Suddenly the inner moon world from Naruto: The Last movie doesn't seem so strange.
Thousands of years of building civilization on Earth just to revert back to being cavemen on a new rock in space. I like it.
How r we "reverting back" when we have all the knowledge of how civilisation works as well as crazy technology to support life there……🤔🤔
AP3X M0NK3Y he means the concept of living in a cave, not all the other technology that’s there.
hershey sandhu I saw the concept of cavemen as what they were, not where they live, my bad.
Fun comment to think about it now 😆
Well if that's the way it started in earth ?
AP3X M0NK3Y lol dumbass.
I do live on a barren cold wasteland. It's called CANADA!
David I do too. It's called the MOJAVE DESERT!
LOL. I'd trade that for Ontario in January anytime. -30 and a foot of snow.
Vancouverite here, I don't know how you survive, on a lighter note, We expect flowers in February
Of course, it could be worse. It's not called WINTERPEG for nothing.
When the snow comes, we pretty much ARE underground. Well, under snow anyway.
I was always sceptic when people say the moon is made of cheese.
And now sience is finding holes in it...
Hmmmmm...
I think the discovery was made by Swiss astronomers.
skeptic
"sorry non avian dinosaurs.." XD made me chuckle
Love when Caitlin is hosting
In fully expendable mode, the Falcon Heavy will be able to lift 64 tons to LEO, just six tons shy of SLS Block 1.
Bigelow B330 is expected to weigh 20 tons. Obviously the Moon costs more delta-v than LEO, but to claim the Vulcan is the only rocket "in development" that can take the B330 to the Moon seems a bit disingenuous, especially when SpaceX claims the FH can take 16.8 tons to _Mars._
Edit: from sources I could dig up, the Falcon 9 has a fairing diameter of 5.2 meters, while Vulcan will have a fairing diameter of 5.4 meters. Seems unlikely that 0.2m would be the difference... I couldn't find data on the B330's "packaged" dimensions, only that it will be 6.7 meters wide and 13.7 meters long fully expanded.
I thought the same. They are correct at the moment but the FH and the BFR can handle this kind of payload easily and much more cost-effective.
BA330 has too wide of a diameter to fit in Falcon Heavy! Can carry the weight but not the volume
apparently they just repeated what ULA themselves claimed. If you go to their website, you can read an article about B330 where they say : "the only commercial launch vehicle in development today with sufficient performance and a large enough payload fairing to carry the habitat". I just checked and the fairing diameter seems to be roughly the same for both the Falcon Heavy and the Vulcan. Really I don't see why they would make such a claim. Sure it is "the only" fitting launch vehicle THEY are developing but that is not the way they said it.
Glen TheMan Vulcan is not due until 2019, Falcon Heavy is supposed to launch next month. So either Falcon Heavy is too narrow for this payload or they are completely wrong.
And even then they're already working on the Merlin engines for BFR, which I feel like should count for "in development".
Maybe the problem with FH is the payload size, maybe it wouldn't fit in FH's fairing.
I've seen too many Monsters-In-Cave movies to like the lava tube thingy.
That hole is the start of a horror movie for sure.
inbefore it's like that one scene in star wars and it turns out it's not a hole in rock at all...
I love what you guys do keep it up I love your channel and all of the content on it keep up the good work scishow
Dart night would be exciting as heck.
Hwhat
Pretty sure Space X would dispute your claim that the Vulcan is the only commercial rocket in development big enough for the B330. Unless you're deliberately not counting BFR as in development.
wat. o-o
I was about to say, Falcon Heavy is suppose to lift some pretty big payloads and will be coming online before the Vulcan.
+metalhedd Actually this year even
NEY Industries Yeah, but it's due for first launch in the next month or two. If they were still a long way out from completion they would have probably already announced a delay. Since they haven't made an announcement like that I assume they're pretty much done making it.
NEY Industries FH is base on Falcon 9, and Falcon 9 was change many times in past years, so what is point in build FH if you work on changing it core component? They delay development of FH until F9 stop be change, so you work on one change at the time. Is as you build car, but engine you put in change in size each month, so you must change your project too, most time all work you done throw to garbage.
"Lava tubes are called that becouse they are tubes made by lava."Scientist are very creative.
İ agree, sometimes the simplest is the best
Used to have a friend with no legs only one eye and one hand
We called him Toni
Julio Pinon i dont get it :/
Julio Pinon he had one hand and no arms. 🤔🤔🤔
Mr. Dr. Genius
If you want creativity, talk to biologists.
I think it's a great idea to develop a habit on the moon before we blindly try to build one on Mars right away 👽
TRON KNOWS, I certainly agree. This is why I give props to the Trump Administration for redirecting NASA's focus to the moon. Yes, they may not have given Obama enough credit, especially because most of the Obama-era programs are still in place, but I see this as a good thing. Often times the new president completely changes NASA's missiins, which leads to a lot of money wasted.
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The problem is that a lunar settlement will require constant resupply and crew rotation, since Luna isn't really suitable for long term human habitation without a LOT of infrastructure. A Martian settlement would be able to be self sufficient with much less investment. If the lava tubes pan out though, that would make a Lunar settlement much more viable, although the low gravity would remain a huge problem
TRON KNOWS Makes sense to me
Tall Troll I think it would make sense to have a test habitat that's only hours away to work out the unforeseen problems.
I completely agree, it would be so much cheaper and easier than trying to go to Mars (we should walk before we run) and now with the advent of (at least one) lava tube it looks very exciting. Excited cos it's now even cheaper! They could develop robotics on Earth and (after they are "perfected") send robotics to the moon to deck out the lava tubes (made into a hotel or/and research place on the moon). Then humans can go there in luxury (instead of space suits and blow up tents). If humans decked out the lava tubes it would cost like thousands of times more...if you think about what humans would require instead of robotics to build stuff on the moon. Also the amount of humans would be limited (for the same reasons) but there could be heaps of robotic stuff like 3D printers, mobile robots, computing robots etc up there (all solar powered). And just a hand-full of humans need to be there on the moon. And that may not be all the time and maybe not at all. Surely they could try robotic construction on our own planet (if they haven't already developed auto construction tech). But the space industry could develop it and designate it to moon stuff for practice (while calculating some sort of difference in gravity factor). An inherent safety factor of 6. lol
An inflatable habitat launched on a rocket? What if it blows up?
The same thing that happens to everything else that blows up.
Then it might become a roswell like incident for the new Aon.
If it exploded that would be a massive let down.
More importantly, what if no one gets the joke?
Then the rocket blows up.
I love the fact that your always looking so happy talking about science . Makes me happy too.
RUclips
2019: 24 hours in vr
2025: living on the moon for 24 hours
She is a really good reporter. She has good enthusiasm and facial expressions throughout. Not to over-think it or anything.
That oil prospecting is pretty slick.
What, scientists aren't worried about giant space-snakes living in those tubes? "This is no cave!"
Living in lava tubes scares me a little bit, even if its been dormant for millions of years haha.
"the vulcan is the only commercial rocket in development big enough to launch the b330"
Me: what about spaceX with the BFR or Falcon heavy or even blue origin for that matter i highly doubt that the vulcan is the *only * rocket capable of launching that to lunar orbit
Dustin M Only COMMERCIAL rocket, the space X ones aren't commercial rockets
" space X ones aren't commercial rockets" ??? wtf I don't know something?
Good Stuff Thanks! This all sounds very promising. Hope these dreams are realized. I'd love to see it done in my lifetime.
This is how pci fi horror movie starts I bet there is something living in those tubes
Duece Bigelow, Interstellar gigalo.
seriously though, this is pretty awesome and i LOVE all the videos you upload on ALL of the Scishow channels.
Very good video about a Moon
More like an Austin Power's film where Dr. Evil had an evil moon lair.
I love these videos because they‘re so funny
This is very exciting for me.
Well you've got me super excited now for MOON COLONISATION
Interesting idea
plz cover heat shield design and applications in detail
so we are going to combine the two stereotype villain bases and have a base inside a hollowed out volcano (lava tube) on the moon
"a barren, cold wasteland with minimal atmosphere"
Yep, I'd love to live there!
Inb4 "New Message" shows up
Frediloc8 New Message
Only just!
Eventually maybe they could seal the entrance to a tube and pump it full of breathable atmosphere. That would be awesome to walk/run around on the moon without needing any special suit!
The underground moon base needs to have 60s furniture and aesthetics, for that authentic super villian feel.
I don't know if you've already done this, but could you do a video about how to see the NASA landing space with a telescope? What kind you would need, when you have to look, where to look, ect.
It´s all fun and games until the giant worm that lives in the lava tube eats you
If anyone is searching for people to work on systems for staying in a moon base, I am a mechanical engineer waiting eagerly for a offer!!! (Always ready to sign up for a Mars mission too!)
its probably a death wish but id sign up for it anyway.
Pretty sure, they want someone with a PHd in their field.
Yea... But I have a degree in engineering. And did I mention "extraordinary enthusiasm" for space?! 😎
Thanks for leaving us all behind on this future apocalyptic planet.
So the early science fiction stories like "The Moon Is a harsh mistress" which had the lunys live in tunnels underground is still going strong
I would like to just walk on the moon! Giant steps are what I would take, walking on the moon! I hope my legs wouldn’t break, walking on the moon!
Ben Bova should be loving this. Cause his book moonrise it is all about this kinda stuff.
vulcan rocket is the only rocket in development that could carry the habitat... really what about the BFR? or even the Falcon Heavy
Falcon heavy 26000 kg lift mass vs the 20,000 kg habitat
also New Glen... not that sciency to forget 2 rockets out of 3 in development
probably biased because ULA is being out-competed by SpaceX right now.
Falcon Heavy is narrower than Vulcan so I assume that's the problem. But yeah, they seem to not be counting BFR.
The Falcon Heavy fairing is .2 meters narrower than the Vulcan fairing, and that's just the standard fairing, adjustments can be made for unique launch requirements. Fairing size is not a big enough factor to completely discount FH.
The ONLY reason I could see them making this claim is in the very specific wording and the nature of the mission. The Vulcan second stage will be more powerful than the Falcon second stage, so it would be possible for the Vulcan second stage to sit in LEO for a while then enter LTO, while the Falcon second stage would have to move directly into a highly elliptical orbit before doing a secondary burn to enter LTO. Still, not including the BFR, which is most certainly "in development," is negligent.
New Glenn is expected to have a 13 ton payload to GTO capacity, which wouldn't be good enough to get 20 tons to LTO.
She's the best. Thanks for making science awesome, with your drive and passion for things that matter most to the rest of us futurists and scientists at heart. You and everyone at sci show make great content, at great expense, time and time again. Please stay wonderful, you beautiful humans.
Can't wait to the monolith on the Moon.
The APOD two days ago apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap171025.html was of the Lunar Marius Hills and a hole. The hole that they highlighted they state is nearly 100 meters down. So out of curiosity, knowing that the Lunar gravity is way lower than Earth's, I wondered if that was a survivable jump. Unfortunately, probably not. While it would take about 2 minutes, 3 seconds to make the fall, one would be going around 40mph. Unless there was a trauma center near that opening, one might die from injuries from the impact. Parkour landing techniques might help, but one also has to worry about damage to one's protective space suit... But, on the other hand, "jet packs" on the moon (with simple compressed air propellant) might be enough to keep your fall from going too fast. If so, that would be a neat way of returning to your habitat in a lava tube after a Lunar surface prospecting trip.
Living in a lava tube on the moon? Sign me up, I'll go there without hesitating! Being one of the first to live (not just visit) another celestial body would be more than enough for me to put my life at risk for it!
An underground lunar base would be excellent with skylights to let in the sunlight Alternatively a dome with an artificial magnetic field could be built
This video made me want to play the game Planetbase again. :P
Not enough gravity on Luna. Martian lava tubes, now that's workable!
Maybe I'm wrong but it seams like it took less time to get to the noon in the 60s(1960-1969) than it does now lol.
It’s all about funding. Back then with the Cold War and space race happening, there was huge popular support from the public, and much more direct support from the government. This pretty much gave NASA the funding necessary to do it quickly.
If a company like Space X can make space travel cheaper and profitable then they can potentially make a new industry for tourists. If the price is right, people would want to visit the moon. Heck, make the lavatubes like underground skyscraper hotel. I be stoked to be able to visit the moon someday 😌
Best would be to dig under ground and gather resources to also build stuff there. Also the staff is protected from radiation
Forget the Vulcan, the Falcon Heavy is here!
Wonder what the moon regolith will do to the inflatable pod would be pretty cool to see maybe they could set up HD cameras up there.. Not sure how it could get transferred back..
Kewl!!
"We'll have it on the Moon by 2022! Using our rocket that will be ready to go as soon as 2023!
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Don't analyze our math...we're rocket scientists!"
People used to think the moon was made of cheese, and then they found holes in that theory.
Lava tubes would be nice place to live a little paint and some throw pillows a tv and a Xbox.
That hole looks like the one the millennium falcon hid in during the empire strikes back.
Yeah, they tried to get on those lava tubes in Riddick... It did not end well for them
If we could put autonomous construction bots on the moon, is it possible to build a radiation/meteorite shield from regular lunar rocks?
How will NASA get rid of the gophers currently living in the moon's lava tubes??
I hope they don't use dynamite cause gopher meat is delicious.
i enjoy watching Caitlin talk science. i attribute it to the perpetual smiling, and lack of snarkiness or smirk or whatever you wanna call it. all could learn from her, to be a bit more appealing in youtube video presentation. being very cute doesn't hurt either, but that's beside the point!
Won't the falcon heavy also be a big enough commercial rocket?
She is so awesome
Lava tubes or Exhaust ports?!?!?!
We're living on the moon, we carry a harpoon ♪
The B330 might not be necessary any more with the development of the Falcon Heavy Lift. Am i wrong?
Will there be the risk of the lava tube filling with lava again?
The Falcon Heavy is able to lift more than the Vulcan so it's not true what is said in the vide, there will be 2 rockets (that I know of) that will be capable of lifting it up. Moreover, the Falcon Heavy will probably get tested within a month so 1-2 years before the Vulcan will even be fully developed.
What about the BFR that is also in development?
Is it me or does the Bigalow logo really look like the buyinlarge one from Waly?
Do a video about the Sirius binary star system please...
i am scared we will find the hive down in that lava tube
hey that's my name! Give it back!
I know we’ve been to the moon; but why haven’t we been sending robotic rovers to the moon since manned missions ended in the ‘70s? We could have been testing landing methods and search for life features on these rovers
My goal is to become rich, and major in radiology so I can both finance my way to outer space and have something to contribute to any expedition.
I wanna live in the room!
Next Aron Chupa song "lama living on the moon"
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yo its sid from ice age movie but in human form.
A weird gate effect or something messing with the audio
They have the same theories for mars. Looks like man is going back to live in caves😂😂
Step 1: be rich af or find a way to become.
Step 2: create a lunar base
Step 3: gather vast amounts of helium-3, and send it back to earth
Step 4: wait until fusion energy is developed or invest in development.
Step 5: Use previously gathered helium to bolster lunar mining through fusion tech.
Step 6: Ally with a global power to protect lunar installations and operations.
Step 7: Be the sole proprietor of said helium and become the new energy giant of the world. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Living in the moon? Why, I would love that. "in"
A lava tube OR a deathworms home!
Name it Piccolo
I read living in the moon.
Welcome to the underground orbiting moon base!
If you start extracting mass from the moon or even just move it around , to make underground cities by exemple , are you not worried that you could eventually change its gravitationnal relationship with the earth and add to the problems we have already caused , with massive consequences , here on earth?
I wonder if lava tubes could explain the hollow moon theory...
NOPE!
aliens are in those lava tubes
Why don't we just go up there with some moon-picks and break up the Volcanic Basalt to build some regular houses earth style.
I'm sure a pyramid on the moon would be strong enough to sustain meteorite impacts and absorb cosmic rays
Am I the only one creeped out by that lunar lava tube for no particular reason?
Duece Bigalow, aero jigalo lol
i cant stop noticing the giddiness in the voice when she talks about the lava tubes...
Hey SciShow! I love watching your videos, but I frequently feel that all of your voice volumes are too loud. After listening for 30 seconds or so, it feels like the hosts are yelling in my ears, and I have to turn the volume way down from where I normally have it on youtube. Maybe you could add some noise compression to the voices, or normalize to a lower level? Either way, I'll keep watching!
Seems to be audio problems. Maybe because the microphone was on the zipper.
The race is on to see who can become the first men in the moon.