I wish someone at Lucasfilm, 15 years ago, came up with a set of rules for these simple things like clone designations, or ranks, and such, and then everyone just stuck with it.
So basically CT is clone trooper, CC is clone commando, and ARC is Arc trooper. I guess it kind of makes sense at first but if you dive too deeply into why Clone Force 99 has a CT designation then it would get confusing.
Eh there is a bunch of reasons to solve those issues. Bad batch was based off clone troopers, they were made to be different than commandos and troopers. Hence the CC or CT doesn’t really matter 🤷♂️. They should’ve had a new designation entirely if we really want to be nitpicky a term like EU (Experimental Unit) should’ve been used.
@@PixlPlayer yeah the issue isn’t the number, its the initial bit, CT still means trooper, as an experimental unit that should be different instead of the numbers but whatever 🤷♂️
My understanding is that the Bad Batch were all intended to be regular line soldiers (an so had CT designations), but showed signs of potentially useful mutations in their embryonic development and so were moved into a separate lab to have their mutations intensified. So they are mutant regs while the CCs were always intended to be a bit different.
My favorite thing about going down the rabbit hole of clone designations is when you get to the numbers. The most basic concept seen throughout most Legends and Canon clone designations is 4 digits: CT-7567 (Rex) or CC-2224 or RC-1138, etc. Fairly clean & simple right?! But then we get ones that aren't the simple 4 digit one but there's tons of variations and while we could come up with the whys of these different designations, there's no concrete explanation one way or another afaik. Fives for instance is CT-27-5555, with a 2 digits preceding the typical 4 & separated by hyphen. Gregor on the other hand is CC-5576-39, with the separate 2 digits AFTER the typical 4. Huh?? Jag from ROTS is CT-55/11-9009, with a whopping EIGHT digits separated into groups of 4, the first separated by a SLASH In Legends, there was a clone called "Able" who was origianlly identified as Able-1707, then A-1707, then was corrected to the more correct/usual CT-1707, thne changed AGAIN to the completely wtf designation of BL-1707! In Legends, Delta Squad's clone advisor was given the designation of CC-01/425, 5 digits, the first 2 separated by a slash... What does it all mean!?!? I figure it has something to do with a mixture of things related to batches, then legions, then classification, and so on. This is why there's both an RC-1138 and a CC-1138. And f Boss also became a CC, presumably there's more to differentiate them otherwise they'd BOTH be CC-1138... but what exactly as the hyphens and slashes and... lol
I would guess that the average clone has two letters (intended type), two numbers (production unit or "batch") and then four more numbers (individual ID). It doesn't really matter whether the two number batch code comes before or after the individual code because they have a different number of digits, nor does it matter if they are separated by hyphens or slashes. (Like how you can tell that 5-23-1990 and 1990/23/5 are the same date.) Maybe different parts of Kamino or different project managers preferred different methods, and by the time someone at the top realized this was happening, everyone was too wedded to their preferred format to change it.
I just want to know how high the numbers go... There have to be at least a few hundred thousand clones, so is there a CT-55555? And is he the true Fives with five fives?
My interpretation of clone designation, as the war rages on high ranks will open up and clones will often get promoted in the field. They will keep their CT name but have the rank of commander. Until that unit is back into friendly lines more formal promotions and recognition will occur giving the clone proper designation. Similar to how Jedi promoted padawan to knights with out the trial in the 2d clone wars, a position need to be filled due to lack of qualified personnel.
My sense is that most CCs were born with that designation because their education was very different (as they were intended to take on the responsibilities of high command). CTs who demonstrated high leadership ability and also not-dead-ness during the war could get the functional rank of Commander, but they still wouldn't be CCs.
Maybe it's about time we get a new version of some of the older videos like the one where you go through all trooper types, I'm fairly certain we've gotten a handful of new types since that video
I think fives was technically designated as an arc, in the umbara arc after he defies general krell, krell addresses him as an arc while igniting his lightsaber.
How dose the clone numbering system work? I assumed it was an assembly order thing. After the Kaminoins perfected the clone and made Boba the the first official clone after him would be CT-1. Cody would be the 2224 clone made, Rex is 7565 and Captain Jag is 55/11-9009 because he was made late into the war but was quickly made a captain. Yes sources seem to say otherwise. Rex fought in the first Geonosis battle but Cody didn't despite both being first gen clones and active and Cody was a clone marshal in the first year of the war. Then you have the Bad Batch who wear active after the Battle of Kamino. Crosshair is CT-9904 and not CT99-4. I'm confused.
Remember that the clones age differently than normal humans, so it is possible that some were "born" earlier (and had lower numbers) but reached maturity at different times. It's also not uncommon for some clones to have an additional two digits on their designation (such as Fives's CT-27-5555), which presumably represent a supergroup that are usually dropped for expediency, As for Cody missing Geonosis, it's always possible that he or his unit just weren't available or combat-ready when the call came. It could also be that as a clone marshal, Cody's formal education wasn't finished until a little bit into the war.
you think the clone designation is confusing. Then you look at the Imperial ranking system (though I think the rogue one ranking is probably the best) then you look to the men of War Assault Squad 2 star wars galaxy at war mod which has High General as an Imperial rank, what even is a High General?
@@justintaylor1713 yeah what is with some of these ranks. I can only imagine that a High General is higher than general but below general of the army and maybe on the same rank as grand admiral.
2:15 - I always wondered about the ranks and how they differed from faction to faction. I'm glad my confusion is not because of me. By the way, I've been missing these sort of Wiki/explanatory videos. This one wasn't very clear, but from no fault of your own.
In the real world, a Delta operator could still be called a Ranger, Green Beret, or Marine whatever their original service name would be. The motivational speaker Gogins is a Ranger who became a Navy Seal. You can still call him a Soldier or Ranger actually. The same can be said for Author Joko Willink he was a Navy Seal Team Commander who could still be considered a Sailor.
as far as confusing goes it’s has a habit in the real world ranks too where you have so many different specialisations that build on a specific rank so I think it’s pretty accurate. It also had much longer to develop and grow organically and be mixed in like millennia of use by different factions 😅
I think that the designation depends on their original purpose. Echo or Fives were originally normal CT troopers but were then promoted. The Delta Squadron were directly trained to become commandoes just like Cody was directly trained to become an officer while Rex was trained as a trooper but promoted into the commanding position. And the original Bad Batch were normally trained clones but then mutated.
Yeah, the Imperial ranks for officers isn't what I would call consistent either. Perhaps that would be a fun video for you to make with updates from Andor, Rogue One, and Solo included. Generally speaking, the more color squares you have on your tunic, the higher your rank. But the more code cylinders you have (among equally ranked rank bars), the lower your rank. And, there also are some cases where the same combination of rank bars, especially going from Imperial Army to Navy, or ISB, star to overlap. Ex: After Admiral Ozzel was "demoted" by Vader... permanently, Admiral Piet inherited Ozzel's 2x6 admiral bar (6 red on top, 6 blue on the bottom). Later, in Return of the Jedi, Piet has the rank bar of a typical captain... a 2 x 3 bar (3 red over 3 blue). However, he is still Admiral Piet. (?) 😀
I feel like it’s sorta like a service number in the Military you get it and it never changes even if you leave and rejoin another service ie Navy to Army
I thought Ponds was already a Commander during Attack of the Clones. And Fives did go by ARC I thought because Krell says "ARC-5555 stand down" on Umbara.
Ct who become arc troopers have arc and the reason I believe it’s canon is because krill cause fives arc 5555 when he threatened him after the umbaran ambush in 2nd episode of that arc
There's only enough numbers for ten thousand clones (0000 to 9999) within each designation anyway, falling way short of even Attack of the Clones' claim that 200,000 units were ready (and then there's supposed to be a million more on the way?!). Although there is the case of Fives where he mentions his designation as CT-27-5555 in the episode Rookies, which I guess means he was in the 27th batch of ten thousand clones, but then why isn't that standard when clones are addressed by their number? And there's no way they recycle these numbers either because you have to keep tabs on the Clones should anything go wrong, like say an organic chip malfunctions and you have to determine if its an isolated incident or if this could be affecting a specific group of Clones from a certain manufacturing date. And then you have the memorial wall from the Battle of Geonosis where every name is actually just a bunch of random letters of varying length, so not only are those not names or numbers, but an entirely different categorization system. It's all just a mess and nobody should ever think about it.
Why were the CT designations only 4 digits long? Even if the numbers got reused after the previous bearers died or were promoted, do you really expect me to believe there were always less than 10,000 standard Clone Troopers active at any one time?
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It’s poetic how the clones went from numbers to people while stormtroopers went from people to numbers.
It’s like poetry, it rhymes
Ironic
The way he just gave up mid-way through and said, "Idk, it's all dumb and why are even talking about it" then ended the video had me in tears lol.
Sounds like the designations only became confusing with TCW
I wish someone at Lucasfilm, 15 years ago, came up with a set of rules for these simple things like clone designations, or ranks, and such, and then everyone just stuck with it.
Aightee! Now, do that for trooper designations used by the Galactic Empire like TK and LS designation.
The clone ranks like many things were a legends thing that TCW complicated alot. Lmao
So basically CT is clone trooper, CC is clone commando, and ARC is Arc trooper. I guess it kind of makes sense at first but if you dive too deeply into why Clone Force 99 has a CT designation then it would get confusing.
Or why rex is CT, and Appo CC despite being a sergeant for the majority of the clone wars
Eh there is a bunch of reasons to solve those issues. Bad batch was based off clone troopers, they were made to be different than commandos and troopers. Hence the CC or CT doesn’t really matter 🤷♂️. They should’ve had a new designation entirely if we really want to be nitpicky a term like EU (Experimental Unit) should’ve been used.
@@Thunder_219they kind of had a specific designation, they were ct-99s which means defective/mutated clone
@@PixlPlayer yeah the issue isn’t the number, its the initial bit, CT still means trooper, as an experimental unit that should be different instead of the numbers but whatever 🤷♂️
My understanding is that the Bad Batch were all intended to be regular line soldiers (an so had CT designations), but showed signs of potentially useful mutations in their embryonic development and so were moved into a separate lab to have their mutations intensified. So they are mutant regs while the CCs were always intended to be a bit different.
My favorite thing about going down the rabbit hole of clone designations is when you get to the numbers. The most basic concept seen throughout most Legends and Canon clone designations is 4 digits: CT-7567 (Rex) or CC-2224 or RC-1138, etc. Fairly clean & simple right?!
But then we get ones that aren't the simple 4 digit one but there's tons of variations and while we could come up with the whys of these different designations, there's no concrete explanation one way or another afaik.
Fives for instance is CT-27-5555, with a 2 digits preceding the typical 4 & separated by hyphen.
Gregor on the other hand is CC-5576-39, with the separate 2 digits AFTER the typical 4. Huh??
Jag from ROTS is CT-55/11-9009, with a whopping EIGHT digits separated into groups of 4, the first separated by a SLASH
In Legends, there was a clone called "Able" who was origianlly identified as Able-1707, then A-1707, then was corrected to the more correct/usual CT-1707, thne changed AGAIN to the completely wtf designation of BL-1707!
In Legends, Delta Squad's clone advisor was given the designation of CC-01/425, 5 digits, the first 2 separated by a slash...
What does it all mean!?!? I figure it has something to do with a mixture of things related to batches, then legions, then classification, and so on. This is why there's both an RC-1138 and a CC-1138. And f Boss also became a CC, presumably there's more to differentiate them otherwise they'd BOTH be CC-1138... but what exactly as the hyphens and slashes and...
lol
I would guess that the average clone has two letters (intended type), two numbers (production unit or "batch") and then four more numbers (individual ID). It doesn't really matter whether the two number batch code comes before or after the individual code because they have a different number of digits, nor does it matter if they are separated by hyphens or slashes. (Like how you can tell that 5-23-1990 and 1990/23/5 are the same date.)
Maybe different parts of Kamino or different project managers preferred different methods, and by the time someone at the top realized this was happening, everyone was too wedded to their preferred format to change it.
I just want to know how high the numbers go... There have to be at least a few hundred thousand clones, so is there a CT-55555? And is he the true Fives with five fives?
Oh no
Now i can't stop thinking about this
I remember being so confused about Gregor's designation when i was rewatching The Clone Wars
I can solve RC vs CC. Gregor is part of 212th, while RCs are part of a special forces unit outside the command of any legions.
My interpretation of clone designation, as the war rages on high ranks will open up and clones will often get promoted in the field. They will keep their CT name but have the rank of commander. Until that unit is back into friendly lines more formal promotions and recognition will occur giving the clone proper designation.
Similar to how Jedi promoted padawan to knights with out the trial in the 2d clone wars, a position need to be filled due to lack of qualified personnel.
My sense is that most CCs were born with that designation because their education was very different (as they were intended to take on the responsibilities of high command). CTs who demonstrated high leadership ability and also not-dead-ness during the war could get the functional rank of Commander, but they still wouldn't be CCs.
Echo I think Is also the only Bad Batch member without a 99 in his CT number
Maybe it's about time we get a new version of some of the older videos like the one where you go through all trooper types, I'm fairly certain we've gotten a handful of new types since that video
I think fives was technically designated as an arc, in the umbara arc after he defies general krell, krell addresses him as an arc while igniting his lightsaber.
Small criticism we know fives took on the arc designation as seen in the umbara arc krell Calls him "Arc 5555"
Then in the 501st (costume group) you can add cx for special opps (where the bad batch falls) and cp for clone pilot. 😅😅
Another amazing video
damn the tism is high
Did these clone designations evolve somehow into storm trooper designations like TK-421 or FN-2187?
What about C1? The most badassest of badass troopers used that like C1-10P
How dose the clone numbering system work? I assumed it was an assembly order thing. After the Kaminoins perfected the clone and made Boba the the first official clone after him would be CT-1. Cody would be the 2224 clone made, Rex is 7565 and Captain Jag is 55/11-9009 because he was made late into the war but was quickly made a captain. Yes sources seem to say otherwise. Rex fought in the first Geonosis battle but Cody didn't despite both being first gen clones and active and Cody was a clone marshal in the first year of the war. Then you have the Bad Batch who wear active after the Battle of Kamino. Crosshair is CT-9904 and not CT99-4.
I'm confused.
Remember that the clones age differently than normal humans, so it is possible that some were "born" earlier (and had lower numbers) but reached maturity at different times. It's also not uncommon for some clones to have an additional two digits on their designation (such as Fives's CT-27-5555), which presumably represent a supergroup that are usually dropped for expediency,
As for Cody missing Geonosis, it's always possible that he or his unit just weren't available or combat-ready when the call came. It could also be that as a clone marshal, Cody's formal education wasn't finished until a little bit into the war.
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i thought appo was a clone sergeant
Fordo was arc-77.
I LOVE CLONE TROOPERS!!!!!! RAHHHHHHH
you think the clone designation is confusing. Then you look at the Imperial ranking system (though I think the rogue one ranking is probably the best) then you look to the men of War Assault Squad 2 star wars galaxy at war mod which has High General as an Imperial rank, what even is a High General?
Then you look at legends with Superior General Delvardus. Admittedly that was a self made title, I think, but even so
@@justintaylor1713 yeah what is with some of these ranks. I can only imagine that a High General is higher than general but below general of the army and maybe on the same rank as grand admiral.
2:15 - I always wondered about the ranks and how they differed from faction to faction. I'm glad my confusion is not because of me.
By the way, I've been missing these sort of Wiki/explanatory videos. This one wasn't very clear, but from no fault of your own.
I like tkc clone stormtrooper
Thanks, Alex! 🟧
In the real world, a Delta operator could still be called a Ranger, Green Beret, or Marine whatever their original service name would be. The motivational speaker Gogins is a Ranger who became a Navy Seal. You can still call him a Soldier or Ranger actually. The same can be said for Author Joko Willink he was a Navy Seal Team Commander who could still be considered a Sailor.
as far as confusing goes it’s has a habit in the real world ranks too where you have so many different specialisations that build on a specific rank so I think it’s pretty accurate. It also had much longer to develop and grow organically and be mixed in like millennia of use by different factions 😅
I think that the designation depends on their original purpose.
Echo or Fives were originally normal CT troopers but were then promoted. The Delta Squadron were directly trained to become commandoes just like Cody was directly trained to become an officer while Rex was trained as a trooper but promoted into the commanding position.
And the original Bad Batch were normally trained clones but then mutated.
It really does get confusing when you think about the designations for Fives, Echo, Gregor, and Clone Force 99.
Yeah, the Imperial ranks for officers isn't what I would call consistent either. Perhaps that would be a fun video for you to make with updates from Andor, Rogue One, and Solo included. Generally speaking, the more color squares you have on your tunic, the higher your rank. But the more code cylinders you have (among equally ranked rank bars), the lower your rank. And, there also are some cases where the same combination of rank bars, especially going from Imperial Army to Navy, or ISB, star to overlap. Ex: After Admiral Ozzel was "demoted" by Vader... permanently, Admiral Piet inherited Ozzel's 2x6 admiral bar (6 red on top, 6 blue on the bottom). Later, in Return of the Jedi, Piet has the rank bar of a typical captain... a 2 x 3 bar (3 red over 3 blue). However, he is still Admiral Piet. (?) 😀
I feel like it’s sorta like a service number in the Military you get it and it never changes even if you leave and rejoin another service ie Navy to Army
I thought Ponds was already a Commander during Attack of the Clones. And Fives did go by ARC I thought because Krell says "ARC-5555 stand down" on Umbara.
From this I gather that you can keep any previous rank as sort of your "name" if you wanted to
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Ct who become arc troopers have arc and the reason I believe it’s canon is because krill cause fives arc 5555 when he threatened him after the umbaran ambush in 2nd episode of that arc
I wonder if you could both use CT and ARC designations. We know that Fives kept the CT designation, yet Krell calls him ARC 5555
There's only enough numbers for ten thousand clones (0000 to 9999) within each designation anyway, falling way short of even Attack of the Clones' claim that 200,000 units were ready (and then there's supposed to be a million more on the way?!). Although there is the case of Fives where he mentions his designation as CT-27-5555 in the episode Rookies, which I guess means he was in the 27th batch of ten thousand clones, but then why isn't that standard when clones are addressed by their number? And there's no way they recycle these numbers either because you have to keep tabs on the Clones should anything go wrong, like say an organic chip malfunctions and you have to determine if its an isolated incident or if this could be affecting a specific group of Clones from a certain manufacturing date. And then you have the memorial wall from the Battle of Geonosis where every name is actually just a bunch of random letters of varying length, so not only are those not names or numbers, but an entirely different categorization system. It's all just a mess and nobody should ever think about it.
Nice
why clone force 99 designation is CT
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They should have kept rank and role separate.
Why were the CT designations only 4 digits long? Even if the numbers got reused after the previous bearers died or were promoted, do you really expect me to believe there were always less than 10,000 standard Clone Troopers active at any one time?
We need a repulic commando 2 game sequel regular phase 1 clones troopers deserve a refreshed upgrade to clone phase 2 armour design and weapons lack of generosity compensation lucas arts games ever since 2005 zero refund game sequel. An imperial purge stormtroopers first-person shooter after repulic commando 2 also would be awesome 👌 👍. Imperial scout stormtroopers replacing the old outdated jango fett clones troopers to hunt rebels mercenaries and remaining Jedi Knight's. I hated fallen order and jedi survivor a cheap skyrim harry potter like game terrible 😑 deserves a 2 star 🌟 game review.
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Nah