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The Worst Mechanics To Ever Exist in DBZ Dokkan Battle
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- In today's DBZ Dokkan Battle video we are looking at the worst mechanics to ever exist in DBZ Dokkan Battle
This could range from many things like domains, super attack nullification or even the newly introduced target skill animation
This video is really going to harp on the point that the new mechanics are pretty much recycled and worst versions of ones we already have. Do you agree? Let me know in the comments below.
Bro came here, roasted every new mechanic and went to sleep, truly a goat.
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dbzmoe but better
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@@legendaryred24dbzmoe with commentary
THIS
They’re equally the same
@@Grassy294 1 has commentary 1 doesnt
If domains didnt debuff I think they would be better
Fr
And also add that if they could be overridden rather than having to wait out for the others domain to fade, then it would be a pretty good ability
For me one of the worst mechanics is guarding chance characters, for example ssj bardock, you can either take 300 k damage or 31 damage depending on your luck
That’s not really a mechanic issue tho, that’s just a kit issue
Guard as a whole/by itself is a mechanic but guard chance is just the devs being idiots
Which ssj bardock?
@@K1ngG1no exactly
@@maru8305 I believe the PHY one
Tbh I'd like it they'd introduce the mechanic of stacking domains on top of each other or even merging domains with each other after meeting a certain conditions
That would be interesting 🤔
With super bosses having 3 main domains, the stacking of them would finally unleash the true power of the team. And considering the power of super heroes, with UI, Gogeta, Beast, MUI, Vegeta, Evoken and so on, it may not even be as busted as it sounds, but more like a great equaliser
@@KaloyanKasabov Maybe fr
@@KaloyanKasabovthen they would just start spaming busted super class units with busted domains just to make sure super class is batter 😭
Maybe the domain isn't active on the turn the character isn't on so for phy rose his would only be active on his turn, then the other could have infinite zamasu's domain
“Cell max and Gogeta don’t need the mechanic at all..” but their kits directly have them build up either stats or crit from dodging? What about that is unnecessary. And bosses who get ghost ushered end up supering more than once at times in the next turn OR 2 AoEs. So this is a much better mechanic when the unit can actually make use of it. Regardless if they are stunned/sealed, they won’t be taking dmg in most events.
That just isn’t true lol, Gogeta doesn’t build up any stats from it by the time you actually use it because you will be maxed out dodge. Same with Cell Max he will be built up by the time you actually pop that target skill because you aren’t popping it as soon as you get it, you wait till the end. There is no evidence that backs double supers after a delay attack or more attacks in general, if it does I’ve never seen it in game so it must be incredibly rare. The only true unit who benefits from it is Beast, he’s the only unit that so far makes sense with a target skill
@@legendaryred24Once Gogeta transforms, he gains dodging and 20% crit chance for each time he dodges, which is why people are giving him a dodge build. Which is what I think this person is referring to.
@@legendaryred24cell max is the only one your logic applies to since by the time you use his active his defense is gonna be maxed out, in Gogeta’s case, he gets 20% Crit per dodge so it helps him get more damage during that turn. Also since his redirect gives him dodge so he can’t even be sealed or stunned if he cannot even be hit so I don’t believe it’s that Redirection is bad, it’s that it needs to work with the Units Kit. Beats gets Atk per hit, Gogeta gets Crit per dodge, Cell max is also different cause sure he doesn’t build up anything but it doesn’t matter if he gets sealed or stunned because super bosses already can deal a lot of damage quickly but they can also take a lot of damage so his redirection is meant for him to be a Human Meat shield to protect the team and he’s unkillable. So going by your logic, here’s the criteria for the Redirect to actually Matter.
1: It has to make that character unable to take damage for a team that has defense issues in harder content regardless if the Redirect causes that unit to get stunned/sealed to help score a win.
2: the character should dodge when it activates to avoid being unable to deal damage while also still protecting the team regardless if they have the damage to handle the boss or not.
3: the boss needs to build up certain stats like atk, defense, crit, or even help a unit build up dodge or something (just throwing out ideas).
4: The Redirection should deal damage, Gogeta’s can deal some damage especially on a crit, same with Cell max. Granted beast is strong but his deals no damage So if he gets sealed or stunned then there’s no damage, meanwhile Gogeta & Cell max can still deal damage that turn even IF it’s a little.
@@nolanhill1969 chief I won’t lie I ain’t reading all that😭
@@gir1456 yes that is correct
i wouldn't call a mechanic bad just because there are other abilities similar, if its still broken its still broken
Sure but again it is the same mechanic dressed up differently. The mechanic itself doesn’t need to exist if we have one that performs the same and it is better
@@legendaryred24 the only thing that target mechanic could do better than int buu buu active is to give unit atk or Def per hit
@@NasNate Something like this can make target skills better. The only thing target skills do better than delay attacks is when you are fighting multiple enemies, but by turn 7 you ain’t fighting no one with multiple enemies 😭
@@legendaryred24you fr forgot gogeta needs to dodge to get is guaranteed crit 😭
@@leventesarkozi9494 he will get that before he get his target skill. He pretty much has to unless he dies😭
I got to disagree heavily with the video. The last part was very true and accurate. I think anybody who's played against a locking boss can agree. The first part I also get with having characters transformation linked to domains and getting locked of it is annoying. But I do like that it also buffs the boss. It makes you think if it's worth activating the domain to get a transformation when it would buff the boss. The entire middle part tho I disagree with. You're bug argument is that there is something better in the form of stuning/attack delaying. The thing is though why have any effect on super attack when you could just have those. You don't need defense if they can attack you so why have defensive raises on supers? Why should any mechanic to lessen damage exist when you can just attack delay them and don't have to worry about it?
I agree but the issue is they are taking these mechanics that existed previously and then package them up as new mechanics. If it was vise versa then it wouldn’t be an issue but these mechanics are complete downgrades to existing stuff and then branded as new
Am I one of the only few people who actually likes Gogeta’s taunt ability (Attack Redirect)?
People don’t hate it, I think it is fine but the ability itself is useless it may as well be a delay action
i like how the music syncs up with the animation when he pulls his jacket
@@flynnmaxwell4089A.K.A when he asserts his dominance 😂
@@legendaryred24i get ya, but hey, gogeta gets guaranteed dodge (unless the boss cancels it), and the animation itself nets you some free damage, so it’s good in my eyes
@@cukuwruums_306 Yeah like I said it isn’t bad, it just doesn’t make any sense to have
I feel like the redirect attack being here is based on the unit's kit, 1st we only have 4 characters with said ability, and 2 of them build up from attacks via dodge or hits (gogeta and beast, cell max is a niche case if your trying to get his additional super in slots 2 or 3). And 2nd, delaying attacks doesn't stop supers or change attack order so if you didn't like the pattern, you can't reroll it. And before someone says, "gogeta blue gets one turn to build up before his active and that's enough," ik everyone can say that the 70% chance sometimes fails and that one hit was enough to end runs, so it's likely to avoid too many attacks before gogeta gets to super.
The flaws of domains aren’t talked about enough
Fr
4:05 its so you can enjoy the lovely music that comes with it for longer!
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Tbh sometimes i think to myself that since there are bosses who cancel dodge maybe in the futur bosses will disable additionals or critics for a certain type
Or .....idk maybe if you dodge an attack then the next attacking character will take more damage....
There are so many mechanics the dev can come up with
Would be interesting for sure
Great Video! I enjoy reading your opinions on this game. I hope they expand more on domains and character names since some characters are way too limiting.
Appreciate it 🫡
Great video all your points are valid for sure.
Unironically I firmly believe the reason they are introducing "downgrades" to already existing mechanics is to lessen power creep and keep the game fresh. If a character could attack delay on super they would be the best slot 2 in the game, and then bosses would have to start having attack delay nullification, just like what happened with stun. Although attack break is weaker it allows for it to be used when a boss is immune to stun and without it being over powered to he point where it sets a new peak on the mountain that is power creep in Dokkan.
This is a very fair point. I just wish they would so by not rehashing mechanics that already exist
One thing to help redirects or at least a character to have this mechanic in the future is allow him to be immune to enemy debuffs, stuns, and seals when its activated so that way they wont get screwed by enemy effects while protecting their team.
That would help for sure, another suggestion I saw is if the unit countered with redirects and that would be crazy lol
Gogeta gets 20% crit chance everytime he dodges idfk what you mean pointless for gogeta
He didn't understand how Gogeta truely work so it's fine
He will have his 100% crit before you use it anyways unless you die bc he HAS TO DODGE to survive plan and simply
Sure, but then again I also realized he will be fully built up regardless before his target skill because he has to be or he’s cooked
@@legendaryred24 yeah, I agree but Gogeta Blue kill my run before because he didn't dodge Super after several Super. So, Target Skill definitely still helps him. Also, sorry for being rude
@legendaryred24 Not really.
In most of the gogeta's teams, gogeta blue isn't the first pick to put in slot 1.
In slot 2 and 3, there is usually not enough attacks to fully build up his crit.
> Units that need do not need to be attacked/build up from hits don't need target focus
Cell Max's passive is BIG, I'll give ya that, but he does get an additional Ki +1 (up to +5) and DEF +20% (up to 100%) with each attack receive AND if one is a super, he gets an 100% additional super.
Man quite literally needs it else he's a sitting duck post intro.
Gohan getting hit just doesn't have an upper limit, so it absolutely works the best on him.
Sure I agree, but Cell Max only needs to take 5 hits to get there and you ain’t using that tagged skill before he has taken 5 hits…
@@legendaryred24 In hindsight, the only REAL ways you would have active skill AND not been smacked 5 times already would either getting him turn two or three... and intentionally putting him out of harm's way.
I shoulda thought about it a LITTLE deeper, my fault.
@@Ginko200 nah ya good chief
realistically if they do let you activate more than one domain active skill, itll probably only use the effect of the first/last one used but still allow you to do the transformation
Yeah that is what i think as well most likely like an override system
The worst part is most of the time you dont even care about the Domain itself, only about what it lets you do, Teq Zamasu is the only character whose Domain is worth it because it makes him invulnerable while also giving ki and defense to all of his allies, and then we have nigh worthless Domains like Super Broly's that gives him 26% DR before attacking and makes super bosses take a small ammount of additional damage, whereas the drawback of having frailer super units and not being able to transform with Teq Zamasu or Phy Black far far outweighs the buffs, it is a mechanic purely used to nerf you
Exactly
Idk if it counts but super 17 chance to get ki from hit is pretty bad
It would but that isn't the mechanics fault, that is just the unit
Im not sure if this is considered a mechanic,but f2p units with a good intro or active without voice is pretty BS,like it doesnt change the game but hearing the voice is hype asf
It isn’t a mechanic but I agree
3:13
I highly agree. This is so annoying, beast gohan is always be sealed in hard events like gogeta and beast gohan
Also , I can not use gogeta active in cancel dodge events which is absolutely stupid 😢( well at least my goat UI goku fixs that problem tho )
It just doesn't make any sense, like if you ain't building up you do not need it
@@legendaryred24 yeah
20+ hit to beast gohan from gogeta is so meaningless bro 🤡
@@sgdkvgt7201 I was agreeing with you💀💀💀. You just clowned your own take if you clowning me 😭🤡
@@legendaryred24 it is just my habit using clowns icon to rant about sht lol .
I still agree with your take tho
But Gogeta does get built up (crit chance) with his dodges, which means that if we use his redirect and put him slot 3, with just 5 or 6 dodges he will have 100% chance to crit, which is pretty sick
True but he is fully built you when you use the target skill anyways
Idk, even if delay is better when the character doesn't benefit from redirect, it doesn't make it bad. It just means something is better and that's all
Exactly… redirect is a weakened version of delay attack. The issue is they keep repackaging mechanics that already exist make them weaker and say hey look new broken mechanic
I haven't watched the video fully yet cause I stopped on the redirect attack but I should bring up that Gogeta actually does benefit from his redirect since he gains critical everytime he dodges and it stays on, meaning you either count each attack or put him in last slot with redirect on dodging everything and gaining more critical and he will be stomping damage onto the enemy...though idk about Cell Max so I won't fight for him
This is true but most of the time he will have his crit built up by then in slot 1 that is
@@legendaryred24 true, it's very situational depending on what event and how many attacks
Honestly for domain's
For whenever they fix the issues
Why not make it a risk or reward?
For example: You have a chance to use Super Sayian Rose Goku Black's Domain Or Broly
You are allowed to transform into Full Power with broly
But you are sacrificing that specific ability to use his domian right away?
Then when Rose's domain is finished
You can either save Broly's domain now or a limited amount of turns before it goes away completely?
Exactly overwriting domains would make it so much better
3:23 Gogeta does need to dodge to build up his crit chance, and Cell Max does need to get hit to build up Def and Ki (although it's possible to get his 5 hits in before turn 4)
@@fhirstplace9016 I feel like both of the units can get their built up mechanics before the use their target skill. Gogeta Blue especially can his first turn if he is in slot 1
Disable enemy action is goated,it low-key saves runs but you just don't know it(because we don't that the action that was disabled was a super attack or not) I have had bosses not super me because of this mechanic,I like to believe that alot of my runs were saved because of it
That’s the thing tho you just think it does something but what’s the proof it does? I mean sure it is nice to get rid of one attack but it really doesn’t do anything. Usually it just gets rid of an attack that is doing double digits anyways
I do agree with adding new mechanics like minusing ki, but most of this list, other than disabling attacks and attack nullification, was a stretch and more of a personal rant, which is fine since its your list. I just think there are worse mechanics in the game like chance to guard without knowing if it procs, turned based transformations that force you out of good base forms, the exchange mechanic, etc.
@@miro6816 I think the exchange mechanic is fine tbh, morale boost I just forgot about bc it is so bad, but chance to guard isn’t a mechanic is more of a kit issue/ character ability. Same with turned based transformations
if they wanted they can design gogeta the same as teq ui, counter when dodged an attack that would make his taunt actually make more sense
That would’ve been crazy
my goat, thank you 🙏🙏🙏
@@egchama yessirrrr
I’ve heard they’re working on a way to stack domains so once that’s in the game super bosses will be so much better
@@anthonybuccieri9645 for sure
Also with the one turn stun like the 7 anniversary. To me it is very HELPFUL. I just place the God bros or monke bros on a slot that have the least attacks and just stun it so I would take less damage which is helpful in my runs. But yea for the gogeta taunt ability is useless right now but MUI fixes that but i can stack more faster on attack in Gogeta Blue lol
Sure that is fair but in terms of team protection which it is normally used for it does not fulfill that requirement
Yes, let's stop one attack that was gonna do 34 DMG anyways...
@@Dragon-ops exactly 😭
While the domain and redirect attacks mechanics i find flawed, i disagree heavily for the disable enemy attack. Yes, it is unpredictable to see which enemy hits are super attacks, but not only is disable attack guaranteed for every fight unlike stunning, it also effects enemy actions like healing and AOE attacks. Plus with how bosses super attacks have status effects like lowering defense, raising attack and making aoe stronger, its a a good soft barrier for the weaker units in the team to function, by slowing down enemy actions. Not to mention unlike delaying enemy atttacks, which still proceed in the same order as the last turn, this helps slow the cooldown for enemy super attacks too
Sure but again I would much rather stun the final boss for a whole turn perpetually take 1 attack away and hope I take away healing or AOE’s or a super
Disable Enemy Action definitely has a place, solely because of the Beast Gohan fight. LR PHY Ulthan's Active Skill has this effect, and lets you disable the super most of the time. Helps him if he's locked in slot 1, prevents your own Beast Gohan from getting stunned on his Active Skill turn (meaning he'll absolutely nuke the phase as a result), protects off rotations from being supered if necessary... The mechanic can absolutely be useful, and it isn't disabled like Stun and isn't as uncommon as Delay.
@@manyachievables sure but again it is completely RNG. Having to rely on RNG, makes the mechanic very unreliable
To be fair. A lot of the abilities such as dodge and nullification can be rng. Same with orbs and additional supers. The game is rng
Redirecting Attacks can be better, you know, if units have tremendously good dodge or guard, these events are getting more stronger, save Red Zone Kid Buu
For sure but again delay enemy attack just gives you a free turn with no attacks
I think domains just want you to play a bit more strategic with yours teams instead of using every broken unit in the game
Gogeta gets increased Crit chance with every attack evaded, and Cell max gets ki + stats from getting attacked, an additional super from getting supered, as well as his defense boost on active allows him to heal up fully with just one orb so i wouldn't call their target skills pointless
@@dawid3517 sure but by the time you use them they are fully built up anyway
3:31 gogeta gete crit on dodge
True, but I mean building stats, I guess that would still work tho
I think a Vegito would be super good with the target mechanic. Just imagine how destructive would be if a new Vegito with counters be with the redirect attack?
If he has that then it would be very broken
Nice vid although I quite disagree with GB. He is Anniversary unit so of course he has new skill which is Target. Every new Anniversary unit will have new Skill. INT Fat Buu is not anniversary unit. If he is Anniversary unit, he will have Target skill instead of Ghost Usher skill
INT Fat Buu stack defense infinitely from Super while Gogeta Blue stack defense for 1 turn so his Target Skills really helps a lot for dodging Super
6th Anniversary unit MUI Goku and SSBE Vegeta has revive as their new skill
7th Anniversary unit LR TEQ Blue Duo and LR PHY SSJ4 Gogeta can destroy one of the enemy attack as their new skill
8th Anniversary unit has Standby skill as their new skill
9th Anniversary unit has Target Skill as their new skill
It's bad to say that Gogeta Blue doesn't need new Skills while they always do that every single Anniversary. Not to mention he is a part 1 9th Anniversary unit
If Gogeta doesn't have Target skill then Beast Gohan doesn't have Target Skill either
That’s not the point being made here at all, it is not Gogeta Blue doesn’t deserve a mechanic. I understand the it is a new mechanic introduced during the anniversary so naturally they gave it to the anni units, I understand. It still doesn’t make sense in terms of the design for Gogeta Blue. By the time you get his target skill your crit is built up anyways so all you do is just dodge, just give him the delay enemy attack at that point. It is moreso a rant of if they are gonna give Gogeta that ability make it worth while and unique not literally the exact same thing as delay enemy attack packaged as a different mechanic
@@legendaryred24 Ooh I quite understand what you say here. Maybe they gonna do that on 10th Anniversary. Also, Gogeta Blue kill my run before because he didn't dodge Super after several Super so his Target Skill definitely still helps him
@@alfinprathama8219Target skill ain’t saving you there😭, if he can’t survive the turn he transforms you can’t get the target skill anyways 💀. But yes I agree
@@legendaryred24 yeah that's why I never put him on slot 1 unless I have to and I'm really sorry for being rude before 🙏🏽
@@alfinprathama8219 nah ya good chief, but again sure that is true but especially on Global you almost have to run him slot 1 rn
I feel like units with the same domain should be able to stack tbh, literally just add more turns into the domain
@@manuelzelaya8973 fr
well i mean cell max redirecting still builds up his defence with each attack received if i recall correctly and i THINK it builds up the f2p phy LR beerus but im not too sure
and unlike stuff like fat buu which only affects one enemy, attack redirection can also be used against multiple enemies! well at least i think so
now all i have to do is wait for cell max on global so i can spend seven billion stones to get shafted for him
additionally nullification as opposed to counters can still be used to build up units such as TEQ 23rd WT goku which im not sure if countering can but maybe im wrong since they gave gamma 1 a counter
Pretty sure countering can. Also good point about attack redirect tho! I totally forgot about the effectiveness versus multiple enemies
@@legendaryred24 ah thats good to know cus ive been running gamma 1 for some events recently
First and last are the ones that make the most sense to be in a video like this
2-4 shouldn't be in a "worst mechanics to ever exist" video because that would imply there's something really wrong with the mechanic that's makes it bad. But instead they're put here because there are other mechanics that can be seen as better. For taunt mechanics, every unit who has it benefits from the effect. Gogeta dodges and builds up crit, cell max builds up stats and ki and gets an additional super if he recieves a super attack within the turn. Gohan infinitely stacks up attack bonuses. While it's possible you fully build up with Gogeta or Cell before the active, it's clear it directly correlates to their kit
Not sure about you, but there have been many times where I break the next attack and it was a super. Or I attack break once and it saved me from thousands of damage if the unit was too weak to tank normals. The vast majority of bosses can't even be stunned in the first place, and if every new character just had an usher mechanic where would be the difficulty? Not every mechanic is supposed to be useful in every stiuation, that's why it's a strategy game to use the mechanics you're given in the best way your situation provides.
I'd like to remind you that for 2 years super attack counters couldn't nullify dodge cancelling. Super attack nullifications (outside of just tanking it) where the only way to take nothing from those supers. Sure you're missing out on some damage, but at the end of the day you're still taking 0 damage from a super, once again shouldn't be in a "worst mechanics" video.
1. Domain welp thats all i needed to hear to give a like
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Domains would be great IFFFF they didn’t also buff the bosses (obviously it depends if the boss is Extreme or Super class)
Exactly
I think some mechanics being a downgrade of mechanics we already have is the point, so that newer stronger characters arent too strong but can still have that extra element. Like, imagine if the 7th anniversary headliners could have a ghost usher yk?
That is fair I just wish they would get more creative
@@legendaryred24they are going to. But for the game to last 10 years and beyond, they need to really space it out. They are already laying out a lot of potential, all they need to do is execute upon it over time. 10th anni will probably be the best we’ve ever had considering it’s a celebration of a decade of Dokkan. I am sure we’ll start to see that creativity then. Kits have been a little more varied and unique lately so, I am holding out hope 🙏🏻
You have no idea how many times a counter helps me😭😭😭. Im so ass at this game.
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I have to disagree with the disable enemy action mechanic. It's better than a stun most of the time because it isn't disabled by 99% of difficult bosses and I don't think it makes sense to compare it to a delay attack effect since those are always on actives while the disable enemy action can be on super attacks. They would never add the attack delay effect to a super attack because it would literally be impossible to lose with it
Sure it is better than stun but that’s not what was compared the issue is they already had delayed action as a mechanic in the game rehashed it made it worse and then made it “new”
First: Gogeta having target is actually good cuz he needs to dodge 5 times to build up crit, and then they can make the boss disable dodge to get rid of this ability, however we don't have bosses immune to attack delay, and MUI re-enabling dodge isn't a Gogeta problem
For beast it's pretty much the same since he needs to get hit to build up attack and crit so his taunt is actually great for nuking with him in slot 2/3 while not worrying about your other units dying
Second: disable action is actually a decent effect to put on super, it works on enemies who are immune to stun and at the same time isn't as busted as attack delay, many times I've used the 7th year LRs and due to their lackluster defense i put them on a slot that has only one or very few attacks, sometimes they even get lucky and disable an AOE, Super or Heal from the boss which is very valuable, however it's very lackluster on active skills like PHY LR Ultimate Gohan as it only erases the very first attack which is pretty bad
@@andrevaz1289 true Gogeta does benefit from getting crits on however you will most likely have this built up in his first turn as Blue because he has to dodge to survive and you will take 5 or more attacks in the 1st slot. Beast I don’t have an issue with
Sure for a Super Attack effect it is fine but it is still useless to the extent of just randomly getting of one attack, just give them delay attack on their active and it would be so much better
@@legendaryred24 except the delay attack on active would only activate once, those units were designed for longer content due to their stacking, so having that ability only one time would be pretty lackluster for them. It being on their 18ki has much more value due to literally erasing an attack from existence every turn lol
@@andrevaz1289 Sure but I would much rather have a one turn stun against the final boss then chopping away a normal per turn against different stages of the boss
Still waiting for the domain update
I feel they wouldn’t be as bad if Dokkan didn’t make them almost exclusive to super bosses and fill up the team on them way too much
They gotta spread their mechanics better
@@rumbling9879 fr
I guess they wanted Gogeta Blue to build up his crit more easily or smth
Sure but he will be built by then anyways
You forgot to mention survive KO with 1hp, like bro that mechanic is awful, is just surviving an attack to get killed by the next one, if at least you healed some hp after that it would be a pretty good mechanic
@@pablocabaleirofernandez3439 honestly yeah it is pretty bad
Wait I thought gogeta blue got crit chance increases when you dodge attacks or get hit? So don’t it still be pretty decent to have the lock in so you can dodge a bunch attacks at once and build your crit chance all the way?
@@BIGD-cc7ru sure but he will most likely he the built up by then anyways
I disagree with the attack break personally. Sure on one hand it's a nerfed stun, but stun can be canceled by bosses, attack break cannot. Also, for units that attack break on active skill(LR fraudhan), it's good for events like The Beast Gohan fight where he almost always supers slot 1.
Idk how people keep thinking I’m referring to stun, I’m not. I’m referring to the ghost usher mechanic that bosses can’t nullify, that is what I’m referring to. You still have to hope you break the action in slot 1 and especially hope that it even breaks the super in the first place. Just too much RNG
Basically the whole point is to say “hey free ghost ushers are broken”. Just because there’s a better mechanic out there doesn’t mean that other ones are bad though.
The Gogeta Blue active hate is ridiculous, he gets permanent crit from his dodges and has a counter for ki based supers in case he’s getting dodge canceled. Sure, it would be better if he did just delay attacks for a turn, but again what he has is far from bad.
The real crime here is not talking about stacking damage reduction within the turn. That mechanic has always been awful. Consider per existing enemy, stats based on team category, or unit super attacks? There’s so many worse things to choose from than the newest mechanics.
@@thefieryember6689 those are now mechanics tho, those are personal kit abilities. That’s not the point of the video you missed the whole point. The issue is they keep taking mechanics that already exist nerfing them and packaging them up as a whole new “broken mechanic” which simply is not the case
Well gogeta does need to dodge for his crit chance to go up so its not like the lock on ability doesnt really work with his kit but i get what u mean
Yeah
Nah the worst mechanic is active skill that depend on a certain hp threshold especially since you don't have a way to see exactly how much hp percentage you have left
Not a mechanic just bad conditions
I get what your saying about the redirect ability but I dont think it should be in this video.
IMO it is a weaker version of delay attack, the mechanic is not new in any way
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We ain't beating the "DB fans can't read" allegations with this one
I’m subbing
Bro Remember Me I was Still there when you pulled Phy Gogeta at Stream (got muted by night bot🙏
Nightbot was so unhinged 😭
@@legendaryred24 real😭🙏
i don´t know if you wanted to focus most on playable mechanics, because in term of boss mechanics, the hole just goes deeper, but also there are more underwhelming mechanics than super attack block and taunt like:
morele boost/costume change as well... it´s just like an transformation with less to offer (i guess no one will complain if they just call Kuririn and Gohan dressing the Freeza´s army uniform an transformation)
Giant form(orange Piccolo is more like an active skill since you control it): Man, this SHITTY mechanic just burns up your time by making you waste like, 2 or 3 minutes of your life locked in an rotation without links which in most of cases does an underwhelming damage, the worst part is the fact that you CANT CONTROL IT, is like put another rng debuff on your team, and vs "timer" bosses, this mechanic turns into an russian roulette(most of times it will end exactly when the enemy timer is over)
Super bar bosses: since Beerus fury bar this mechanic is completly flawed, since most of times you´ll be locked in a boss who will not take any damage until transform(and it´s not even like you can play around this and build up), this for it just transforms into an bloodlust killer that hits like a truck and then do an regular "super boss fight"... it´s just an filler mechanic to fill the theme of the character (y´know, since this mechanic was made for work along you using an item to lower that specific boss bar)
this one i only saw them using once, but this shows how STUPID that idea was, i´m talking about that "insta kill" mechanic that Str Genki dama Goku does on the int Mui Goku, you know, the one where you must kill him before he attacks? nowdays this may be a kind of a joke, but back the time, i can bet that most of the people who played this, specially on boss rush 7 almost felt the terror of the rng putting this goku attacking first(i know that the game wanted you to take an Baba item, but really, wast an item slot and worst, spend an ITEM in a awakening event? i still wonder who approved that concept...)
Yeah you honestly can keep diving deeper into and Giant form to me is not too much of an issue since some units can control when you use it and it is very broken when used properly
Morale Boost 100% completely useless and should have been mentioned bc I think only 1 unit has it lol. Same with costume change. These are so bad I forgot they existed lol
Fury bar... yeah it is super annoying lol, but it can be avoided if you can kill the bosses quick enough. The insta kill attacks are not too much of an issue now compared to how bad they were back in the day. The Spirit Bomb insta kill was so annoying lol. If they do that again it will 100% be on the next version of this lol.
Gogeta gains chance to crit per attack dodged though???
@@Wooze100 yes but he most likely will have that built up before you activate the target skill anyways
W but i desagree with the Taunt. Gogeta gains +20% crit per attack evaded. But cell max... my man, turn 4 what is that bs. I think that the Taunt is a different way to add a mechanic for the "Ghost Usher like" actives skills and that is not bad at all, i thinks is more consistent than the Domains.
@@AdalydSSJ someone brought up if units starting countering off of redirects and honestly is the best way to differentiate it from delay attack imo
Blud literally roasted all mechanics in the game
@@omegasurge3277 Pretty much lol, all the new mechanics are just repackaged old ones 😭
Bro, when gogeta dodges, he gets crit.
Yes but he is fully built up when you use it anyways
Bro what am I supposed to do with the other seven Gogetas😢😢😢😢
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Gogeta does build up crit chance with each evasion
Right but it will be built up when you use it anyways
@@legendaryred24 Not really if the transformation turn you put him in slot 2 and then finish the phase with him without evading anything. The following turn you can use his active and maximise his crit chance before attacking. And this happens more often than not. Not to mention that Gogeta won't be affected by the boss's super attack effect, unlike Beast. Gogeta is the best user of the mechanic imo
@@miguelangelbotejaragomez1095 Sure that is fair bc he can’t be sealed and yes I agree his version is the most optimal but his version also may as well just be a delay even attack. Yes if he is in slot 2 he will benefit more from it but if he is in slot 1 then he won’t. It’s situational
Can intro count as mechanic? Because it's something that 7th anniversary introduce too.
It is yeah and that was good lol
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@@GALACTA007 I’m all for peace between communities lol I have no hate towards Legends
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Nah, all the mechanics are good in their own ways, the Goku UI field ignores the dodge nullification and apart from the support, the Gogeta active and the cell max can be used in events where they block and you don't want to receive damage with x or y character, For example, in the boyack red zone and you arrive with a more solid and unbeatable strategy, nullifying an enemy action may still seem useless, but it can remove an action like Kid Buu's super and save you an entire run, and so on, They are small things that, no matter how useless they may seem, make them useful in their own way.
(sorry for the poor English xd)
Again Bojack red zone is such an oddity, you don’t ever fight multiple hard enemies, if that becomes more prevalent then target skill becomes much better, again I agree with UI I like how they got creative with his domain. More of that and domains will be very unique and useable
Gogeta builds crit chance when he dodges
@@lryuuzaki1522 yes but he will most likely be built up before you get it anyways
@@legendaryred24 oh... Ok, I see your point
Doesn't Gogeta blue get 20% crit each dodge in his domain?
@@GodYuji1 it isn’t specific to the domain that is just in general, which he would most likely have built up before then
Doesn't Gogeta Stack with dodge, great vid though
He does but it will most likely be built up by then
Bro came and roast redirect also bro 1 months ago saying that redirect attacks is an overpowered ability
@@leerothana6328 Redirect is a powerful mechanic but it isn’t “new” per se. That is was being pointed out here. Redirect has the chance to be its own unique thing but outside of Beast it is kind of useless. Like if TEQ MUI Goku had a redirect instead of a domain on his transformation it would be broken. Just for now redirect is nothing different than just being a worse version of delay attack for a turn since most units can be sealed or stunned by attacks
Wait, there will be an domain update soon?
There is but we don’t know what exactly they are updating
Wait I’m already subbed nvm
lol ay appreciate it!
Honestly 3 outta the 5 are L's but locking and domains atm are real the other 3 are fine and you just kinda griping for the sake of gripe
It is not a gripe when mechanics are just the same ones that have been repackaged. Again, it is noted in the video that they can make them goodm but redirects right now may as well be delay enemy action and super attack null is literally a straight downgrade to super attack counters.
@@legendaryred24 the 3 redirects in game all give the unit they are attached to buffs for being hit/dodging attacks from their kit so like sure its not a ghost but imo i think its just as valuable sure its a L that they can still get sealed and stunned but like defensive perfection for a turn is fine by me. there have been countless times for me where buuhan or the other attack breaks have came in clutch just removing supers and or dumb fight gimmicks like aoes or heals so sure its not a counter but its still huge dub to just have. and lastly super attack null is good but i could agree it could just be a counter and be better but like not taking damage is always a plus so i couldn't complain about it
Remember AGL krillin
No
Good argument however, Domain Expansion.
@@ninetailedara3802 😭
Um what about moral boost
That should be here yes but it is so bad I forgot it existed
Domains are just ѕhіttіеr active skills lol.
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Wait domain update huh?
Should be coming soon
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@@Dodo-ff1kr that’s my job
Dbzmoe but actually with good info
@@ellipxite1813 appreciate it🫡
love your videos!
Appreciate it!
I like Domains!😊
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DBZmoe pissing and shitting at how hard they fell off
Dude event started deleting comments that say it 💀💀💀
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I'm not a fan of this video, I feel recency bias is a big part of this, where are costume changes like with Evo Blue Vegeta and Gohan & Krillin? Where is defense lowering? Where is scouter (When it is a chance of activating). You argue stunning is better than a lot of these mechanics, and you are right in a vacuum, but hard fights don't let you stun, these mechanics can actually be used in all content unlike stunning which is always banned.
When did I say stunning was better? Delay attack is not a stun it is a ghost usher ability which is the best ability in the game. Yes costume change sucks but it is so bad I forgot it exists 😭. Defense lowering is still good bc a lot of bosses now allow debuff. Scouter is broken chance to activate is not a mechanic that is a kit issue
Why domain is bad?
@@Yjoat because you can only activate one at a time, and it can buff the boss as well. The mechanic is only used bc people wanna transform in which they can’t anyways when one is active already
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Red can you tell me wtf Is happening to this guy?
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The summons last night I did on stream… yeah AGL Krillin invaded them 😭
Another beast gohan's ball sucker, eh.
He’s literally the best unit in the game… I’m sorry let me go find a worse unit to glaze my bad 💀🤡
@@legendaryred24 The Best for 5 turns. And needs to be hit before a super to be very tanked. Yeah, quiet number 1 in the game, eh 😂
@@Blackdark22 He has 80% DR??? Who in the world is better at tanking than Beast😭.
Cell Max can’t tank anything after intro and active. And the next in line is? TEQ UI? Mr. Dodge or die or SSBE Vegeta who has TO GET HIT for DR. Yeah I think ima go with the unit who can tank 8 mil supers😭 and have guaranteed crit while doing insane damage
@@legendaryred24 The 80% is not forever. Beat after turn 5 Is a glass cannon. Cause he needs to be hit before a super to be good. And, he's literally god with his 1 turn active. But after that, there's nothing else.
@@Blackdark22 Glass cannon with guard and damage reduction and built up stats ight bud lol. Oh and invincible active skill and has yet to say any unit that would dethrone him 😭. Because no other unit below him can💀💀
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@@evilkingalex73 *MUI
I disagree with you. I like the mechanics of Gogeta. 😊😂
That’s fair
I can't lie. im 6 minutes in, and 2 L takes already...
@@kingryan1774 ight bud
Aside from Domains issues the others you listed could easily be counter argued and be pointless to what your tryna say. Learn Dokkan better
Chief this has to be the worst argument ever😭. You said this could be easily counter argued and all you said was learn Dokkan Better💀. You didn’t disprove a single point💀💀💀. Literally what is the point of this comment. Learn how to critique 😭
@@legendaryred24Let's see Gogetas taunt isn't completely useless its his strongest ability tho its better used correctly or when it's needed. Attack breaks sure don't guarantee much but its better when the Boss can't be Stunned in any capacity. Same goes for Nullifaction its basically gambling your luck with a boss who can't be stunned or evaded. Locking sure its annoying but it doesn't need much refining its only pushing the current meta further by being worse because the fights are progressively getting harder to balance out modern units being dropped with uber busted kits. It's all about luck and strategy but really its not gonna mean much when again the Meta is continuously progressing.
@@IVY_PRODUCTI0NS The thing that’s mentioned consistently in the video agrees with this, the mechanics themselves are not terrible. Especially redirects but the issue lies when they take mechanics that already exists and then repackage them as “new” and make them seem like these broken new things
For example: Redirect is just delay enemy action except they hit the unit like wow what a creative mechanic. It really only works well with Beast since the other two will most likely be built up by the time you use it. Someone suggested what if a unit countered with the redirect mechanic and THAT would make redirect actually good
Action Break/ Attack Break: I guess I said stun in the video which is unintentional here, stun is definitely not better😭, but I was referring to delay enemy action which is the ghost usher ability. To me action break is very useless RNG to hopefully break an important action which more times than not you do not and instead you get rid of an attack you are gonna take double digits from anyways
Super attack null: Once again the mechanic is fine but we used to have null and counter, there was no just null back in the day. They literally took that mechanic and took the best part out of it and said here new mechanic 😭. Taking out the counter and saying new mechanic especially here is nasty work. The only “null” units that are excluded are the units like Android 19 & 20 who absorb the attack and heal from it.
Locking rotations: I mean sure it is fine in its own way but I feel there should be minor turning to it. Ik the game is not programmed for you to not use items but if an enemy is sealing you need a Senzu or Dende. This is just dumb for the no item runs bc otherwise you just die due to RNG. Yes the game for the majority of it at least runs on luck, 100% agree but it doesn’t mean we have to keep building on that just to make it harder.
the only bad mechanic in this video is domains and only applies to broly, L video
@@chocman5719 bud really has fallen for the dokkan battle repackage mechanics 😭