Thank you @julee and @cheryl. I totally agree. Counting Walter Veith among these men is very unfair and besmirching his name. He has been standing up for truth in this church for many years and received nothing but canceling and opposition, but thank you Jesus for giving him endurance in the race. I’m ever so thankful for Ps Vine and Ps Veith for their courage. May God bless the brave men in His church
We have a dress code....pants on women is not one of them....the fact that Sonica is wearing pants now...concerns me. Also....Veith is not right on Daniel 11:40-45...the Eastern Question. I still love and pray for them ...but...I don't trust them any longer...and it breaks my heart.
@@truthtriumphant4015 are you referring to Turkey (which is what McKenzie from AD is pushing) as being the KOTN and not the Papacy? EGW never talked about Turkey as being the KOTN in The Great Controversy? She lived until 1915 so I would have to wonder why she never talked about Turkey? Uriah Smith was not infallible and even EGW states that she never claimed to be infallible. Turkey is just a rabbit hole for SDAs as Israel is to the rest of modern Christianity.
@@truthtriumphant4015 to what dress code are you referring? The Bible tells women to dress modestly and as long as they are ladies pants and not men’s pants there is nothing wrong with that. If we are going to point to EGW and talk about the American Costume (basically a pantsuit in her day), then you better get rid of your bicycle as she wrote against buying one. If EGW was alive today I don’t think she would condemn bicycles or women’s pants (as long as they were modest). Christ wore a robe, the Roman men wore skirts (as did the Scottish men) and today the Arab men where robes and their women where trousers. Times and cultures do matter even in EGWs day which is why she stated that not a penny should be spent for a band of gold to signify marriage, unless it was the culture.
I watched Walter Veiht and Conrad Vine jointly answering prophecy questions on August' 24 and September' 24. Definitely no animosity between them whatsoever.
@ramsespelayo5914 On What's Up Prof, Walter and Martin had enough to say against the pandemic period, and who has taken more flack than Conrad on speaking and standing up for Truth, but Walter, and calling him anti-semitic to ruin him, with potential court proceedings which lasted over a year, has given him ample reason to hold his PEACE! And, because all "Rock Stars" are not towing YOUR AGENDA, doesn't give you the right to call anyone out. Your ministry is looking equally dodgy and mean spirited, and one must ask, what type of kickback you're getting, and I'm Not talking about Money? My question is, are what you saying or engaged in, is it actually the Lord's Work, and I acknowledge and I'm dismayed in most activities I see in the church today, from the top down, but it starts with ME!
The events, looking back now, after more updates, they are wise men...they know the goings on in the church. They must've been ready, shall we say. ...the church , the church... end chapters off GC book.
I came to SDA beliefs by prayer. Reading. And studying. What I learned surprised me when I’d hear strange happenings within our institutions. Sad. Sad. I’m So blessed the Lord showed me this man He has at work…. Thank you my dear brother and pastor Bill Hughes. May He find us ready as He surely is coming soon.
@@cheryllaurro3259 Pretty sure you are right. It is the truth he gives that causes them to go after him. It's tough when one gets called out for knowingly doing what they shouldn't be. Unfortunately, the GC has taken on a power trip.
Pastor Walter Veith and his family have suffered persecution and general rudeness from the hierarchy of the conference and their pastors all over the world for years to put the Three Angel message out there. They have protested him and banned him, have said terrible things about him, but he has prayed for them and waited for the Holy Spirit to work on them. Walter Veith single-handedly has brought in thousands of new members to the SDA Church because of his message, and has also brought integrity and honor back to EG White's writings. Be very careful how you criticize others ministries.
Thank you Truth Triumphant. Thank you for the answer that the Remnant Church belongs to JESUS CHRIST, guided by His HOLY SPIRIT and the light of HIS of His WORD. Always watching from Palm Bay Florida.
Many a star that we have admired for its brilliance will then go out in darkness. Those who have assumed the ornaments of the sanctuary, but are not clothed with Christ's righteousness, will then appear in the shame of their own nakedness. Transforming Power of Obedience to God's Law, May 30
Don't forget the man at the destruction of Jerusalem going up and down in the streets proclaiming the doom but was still destroyed in the general destruction. You have to do like the true Christians did and not only sigh and cry for the abominations but flee!
Pretty tired of the bashing of Pastor Veith. I have been listening to him for yrs. Speaking truth, exposing much, sharing the love for His Creator. You are wrong, very wrong. If you want for pastors to spend all their time looking for fault or finding reasons to criticize, then you best look at yourself. You are very negative. Truth is important, but so is the gospel message. I hope no good pastor starts speaking only the faults of everything or anyone. Our message is far more important. I get exposing, but you get off on finding fault. Veith has exposed more than you ever will be capable of doing. He has been attacked repeatedly for speaking truth & exposing things our leaders, colleges, hospitals (& the list goes on) should not be doing.
Walter Veith has won many people for Christ and faithfully proclaimed the three angels' messages - that is the good and positive side and we are grateful for it. But it was not only with regard to the time of Jesus' return that he preached errors. Unfortunately, through misinterpretation, he has proclaimed that we must remain in the nominal Adventist Church under all circumstances, that Christ (in reference to the parable of the tares among the wheat) would carry out the sifting by the angels at the end of time, that the unsanctified will leave us and that we should therefore not insist on cleansing and protest, even if we sin (he does not distinguish between conjecture and open sin) in the community, and even separate if necessary, as this is the task of Jesus and the angels. Unfortunately, this prevents the separation of wheat and chaff that God wants. That's why I understand Brother Hughes well when he criticizes Brother Veith for being against a clear statement of sins in the church and claims that we should focus on sins in the world. But isn't it the other way around? In order to receive the latter rain and be able to give the loud cry, we ourselves and the churches must first repent and be cleansed - through the work of Christ and of course also through His earthly followers, namely the faithful Adventists! May God open Brother Veith's eyes to the fact that, on the one hand, we must not tolerate any open and public sins even now, and that, on the other hand, we leave it to God alone to judge the motives of our brothers and sisters, which Jesus wants to tell us in the parable of the tares, and which is also interpreted in this way by Ellen White in Christ Object Lesson!
@@ErichSchultze We are the church and we are not to leave the church. Those who stray will leave the church & conferences in time. Removing themselves. The church will remain. I stand with Pastor Veith on this.
staying with the church: it can be easy to misunderstand a few words when speaking of a complex situation... He understand all about staying with the truth, and one day separating from this system as EGW has warned and wrote about ... no bashing a faithful servant of the Lord should be spoken, but listen more what he says to get the whole picture.
"If God abhors one sin above another, of which His people are guilty, it is doing nothing in case of an emergency. Indifference and neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God." 3 Testimonies for the Church, vol. 3, p. 280 THANK YOU SO MUCH PR. BILL HUGHES
Happy Sabbath Pr. Hughes and everyone at Truth Triumphant church and those in this comment section! The shaking is going on and I think that God is using Conrad Vine and Pr. Ron Kelly as catalyst to expose who is the wheat and who is the chaff. Other things will occur to cause the shaking to be more active causing more apostasy to be exposed. This situation didn't start the shaking but a progression of the shaking.
I think that they are bread and circus ...because the world is about to explode ...and we are majoring in minors. Most of the leaders are not walking with Jesus...very few pastors are either....it is up to us ...personally to study God's word...and the SOP so we will not be deceived....that is our only safety....period. Don't put your trust in man...they will always fail you.
The VSDAC gives the most tithes and offerings in the Michigan Conference as well as very powerful church members, so they have some power that they could use. Pastor Ron Kelly is loved by the church members, and they back both Conrad Vine and Ron Kelly. It will be very interesting to see who blinks first.
Let them go rent a hall down the street already!!! The conference is not in control, they have marching orders from the higher-ups who also have orders from higher higher-ups... even if they capitulate at this time, they would have done it only to bide time
Tithe is not to be used as a power tool. It belongs to God. When we withhold tithe it’s stealing. The widow and two mites lived during the most corrupt time in history yet she gave all.
The good thing about the banning of the Conrad Vine is that all the church can see who they really are. These are our leaders all over the world in Ghana $300,000 was given to the government by the conference presidents to build a national cathedral whilst most churches in Ghana has substandard facilities. No apology, just arrogance and pride. These leaders are so ungodly it's sickening
the reason employees will not speak out is because they too will loose their jobs. It does not matter where in the work you are this rule applies. I lost my job and it has been covered up. None are willing to call these dictators out. I have asked questions but they say nothing a real testament to their evil ways.
Thank you so very much for helping us understand what was happening and going on. My Family and I support Pastor Conrad Vine and we Thank you and Support the truth and lies that you have exposed. My family and I were searching and watching the videos from Pastor Myers, and the things coming out of His mouth. Blaming the congregation for the short comings of the Pastors . The sheep follow, if the Pastor is crooked the sheep will be misled and lost. It's a shame that they are not realizing their lack of faith in God, in not correcting the error. Ted Wilson should apologize and take all those books off the shelves, for misleading people. He has to realize, by making money from the lies he shared, he has made the money his God. And so has all the rest that sided with him by not calling him out. Shame on them. I pray the see the error of their ways and repent, The Lord will be here soon enough. And no amount of money will save them. May God Bless you, and may God's Ministry always be Truth shared as He leads and guides you to share it. Much love in Christ Jesus.
@dorothyscrantom6095 know that GC book has been changed often, as well as many of EGW's writings and warnings. Remember Jones and Waggoner, Jones who saved the Sunday law frim happening...ahh... more... we need to read.
"By their fruits".... And Spirit of Prophecy guides us to know they're wrong . People dont get it and supports them in part because during God given "stayvat home mandate dimue to covid 19 they didnt use thya time to study Spirit of Prophecy which lights the path for the believers. Because they don't ask or research why this happened in the first place and what's the origin of it .
I have a problem with any ministry that points to what other ministers didn’t say about an issue they themselves are exposing. It borders on the edge of self serving to further their own popularity. Most of those “other” ministries, in my experience, have been calling out errors and apostasy for years without once pointing to ministries that haven’t exposed the same errors. Let’s continue to do everything to move God’s work throughout the world, and in the process, glorify only Him.
@leoni777144 Very well said. Sadly, it is happening a lot now. You don't see the ones they bash bashing back though. They stay calm & collected while standing their ground.
No wonder that the end-time faithful need the spirit of Elijah. Remember, when Elijah thought that he was the only one? God told him that there were many more. Let us go in the spirit of Elijah
Thanks Pastor Bill. The Lord is speaking to His people and l pray that we will listen with understanding and obedient hearts. He has told us to put our confidence in Him alone.The people need to be assured that even if they do not go back to the village church to worship because they may be turned away there are possibilities which the Lord will show them and they would be able to worship the King of Kings in Spirit and in Truth. Amen
The Lord came to fulfill His mission not to expose the Leaders. All have wisdom to know what is going on in their churches. Walter Veith has done exactly what the Lord asked him to do. Angels were present in his meetings, police officers in hundreds attended his meetings, an African queen with her guards attended his meetings. He did not waste his time in pointing out the sins of the leaders which many r doing. Walter is an intelligent man to choose what is right. Let us not waste our time for this but use our time to give the loud cry message. Thank u Lord for using Walter as a faithful servant.
Jesus rebuked the religious leaders in front of everyone. Jesus never sides with sin, even in the churches. If you want to protect sin, hell is the place of destiny.
What should the church of Laodicea do first so that Jesus can enter? Repent! (Rev 3:19) Otherwise it will be spit out by Jesus. And Jesus spoke a clear word in public in Matt 23!
Village Church saga may start a Precedent that forms a Grassroots SDA Church people who are bound only by complete obedience to every ray of Present Truth according to Bible and Spirit of Prophecy in that order, with no reliance on Worldly Governments, meeting in hired halls and private homes?
@garysouthwell5762 time for us all to pray earnestly for this situation as it is the beginning, the foundation of our people's 'church' of the end days which we are edging into.
@@AlineLegault" house churches are common in persecuting countries and you will find those believers to be on fire for Jesus, willing to die for their Savior.
I was homeless, did drugs, went into prison, where I got to know God. He changed my life. Now I have a home, a wife and a lovely year old daughter (zoe), and a stream of income that gats me $47,000 weekly. Plus a new identity - a child of God, Hallelujah!!!!🇺🇲❣️♥️♥️
So should we be surprised that these Roman Catholic loyalists mr Diop and Ted Wilson will not stop until they unite as many Adventists as possible with Rom? We are soon at the point where it must be said,”Come out of her my people, and be not partake rd of her sins” AMEN THANKS for sharing pastor Bill🙏🙌🏼👍
Sad reality! Pastor, you hit the nail in the head! It is shaking time, sifting time, and sealing time! 1 Timothy 6:10, “For the love of money is the root of all evil.” “We have far more to fear from within than from without.” Education 57.3, “The greatest want of the world is the want of men - men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.” Beth Ramos
Sir, I want to respectfully differ with you on your presentation on one leading ministry: the ministry of Walter Veith. Personally, I never knew that apostasy existed in the SDA church until I actually listened to Walter Veith series of the ‘Total transformation’ series - that he presented over 11 years ago. I am just making this comment to inform you in case you missed it and encourage you and others who might be interested to listen to this series. In that series he categorically says that he is addressing the church- inwards- not the world outside (he already did that with total onslaught series). In the ‘Total Transformation’ series Veith has systematically and extensively given example after example of how he has been banned, tossed, cancelled (before even cancel culture became a thing), criticized, and segregated etc by various ministries like Hope channel, 3ABN, and rubbed shoulder with the establishment etc divisions, unions and conferences (&whatever the church hierarchy exists in the SDA church around the globe), universities in the USA etc. Honestly, I personally feel upset by your statement about Veith. I encourage you to listen /read his wife’s book ‘Dwelling in the Secret Place’ and also this listen particular the lecture ‘Mordecai in the gate’ (ruclips.net/video/5-eCQSd2WHs/видео.html) given > 11 years ago. This message from minute 47 talks about three factions in the SDA church: 1. The Daniel faction- maintains a faithful relationship to God even the face of adversity (I don’t have an example to give - It is hard to be like Daniel and his three friends - it is a minority) 2. The Ezekiel faction: Those that Practice syncretism and compromise their faith (Those big universities and churches that have both traditional service and contemporary service with - big music instruments, serve coffee, no Spirit of prophecy, evolutionists, & +LGBT is a thing there etc etc. 3. The Jeremiah faction: Political factions who like the Pharisees in Jesus time sacrifice truth for the sake of structure (The Establishment calling the shots currently - Michigan conference is a good example - currently). Listening to this message these past two weeks has given me hope and peace as I watch the debacle going on in the SDA church. I don’t need to go picking personal names etc - Jesus never did that - but being able to decipher a message from what is going on is important - I can make my own conclusions- ‘wise as an owl’. This message helps me a lot even within my local church. Actually, if you did listen to Walter and Conrad's messages at the same meeting that caused the schism going on in the SDA church- you’ll realize they had the same message. The only difference, Conrad named names and Veith opted to say simply ‘you never know who is Caiphas or Aaron’ - opted to say ‘God is the judge’ - , ‘Tares and wheat will grow together’. I like his approach - I believe it is wisdom of age and global experiences he has gained. Even Jesus never called out Judas on the night of his betrayal. Actually - if there is one person who stood very strong and gave people a lot of education on Covid 19 vaccine is Prof Veith. I hope you will review your message and provide accurate information about Veith. I cannot speak on others - I don’t listen to them much. Thanks.
Walter Veith is a complex case... I have heard him say we should worship on Sunday when it is enforced as long as they do not stop us from worshiping on Saturday. But anyone who compromises when the NSL is enacted will never be able to turn back. Watch the video - 187 WUP Walter Veith & Martin Smith - Sunday Proposal, Sooner Than We Think? Texas Border- Neuralink - he said it around the one hour, thirty-sixth minute marker I have learned a lot from him but that is not to say he doesn't have issues. All I will say to you is in Ps. 118:8-9. God bless you
@@discern3392 Watch the video - 187 WUP Walter Veith & Martin Smith - Sunday Proposal, Sooner Than We Think? - he said it around the one hour, thirty-sixth minute marker in essence, he said we should do whatever they want us to do as long as they do not stop us from keeping Sabbath but all faithful Adventists know that the NSL comes in 3 stages, and if anyone compromises in any of the stages that person receives the mark. The first stage is even the one to be more wary of because it is more subtle
@@Chukwumeremeze I went back and watched wup 187 and the 1:36 portion. You definitely miss understood what he said. I think you should go back and rewatch it yourself. Sounds like you and this pastor have a lot in common tho.
@@mybrotherskeeper111 He quoted A Wise Course to Pursue - "To defy the Sunday laws will but strengthen in their persecution the religious zealots who are seeking to enforce them. Give them no occasion to call you law-breakers. If they are left to rein up men who fear neither God nor man, the reining up will soon lose its novelty for them, and they will see that it is not consistent nor convenient for them to be strict in regard to the observance of Sunday. Keep right on with your missionary work, with your Bibles in your hands, and the enemy will see that he has worsted his own cause. One does not receive the mark of the beast because he shows that he realizes the wisdom of keeping the peace by refraining from work that gives offense, doing at the same time a work of the highest importance." - 9T 232 Then he said: "Now, this is how it is going to start, they are going to make a Sunday day of rest Is there anything wrong with worshiping God on a Sunday? Just because there is a Sabbath in the Bible? You can worship God on any day but the day of rest is on a Saturday, whether we like it or not, so the Sabbath is on a Saturday on it you shall not do any work, that's a law of God. Now the Sunday is just a normal secular day which has been made Holy by the Catholic Church and they tell you to keep Sunday, I have no problem doing whatever they want me to do on a Sunday as long as they do not force me to violate the Sabbath commandment by working on a Saturday. So while they are only Sunday laws but not anti-Sabbath laws, it should be fine to do what the Spirit of Prophecy says over here." So @mybrotherskeeper111, since you have rewatched it and I have just posted the transcript above, I now have two questions for you: 1 Did I misquote him in the transcript above? 2 What is he saying here in a nutshell?
Village church online viewership is 30,000 plus through pastor Kelly's shepherding. It's not anymore. Plus the highest paying tithe church in Michigan conference
Authority is more important than money to the conference leaders. You must be subordinate to their authority in all things or you will be punished. They have taken authority unto themselves that God has not given them. They have exceeded the boundaries of the authority God has given them.
@sophirichmanfletcher4657 Authority is more important than money to most conference leaders. They require that you be subordinate to them in all things or you will be punished. They have overstepped the boundaries of the authority that God has given them. It was the same in Jesus's time on earth.
I am sad about what has happen with Dr Vine & Pastor Kelly. The devil has got the S.D.A. Church fighting , arguing, amongst itself. Everybody arguing. The politicians, pro & con for abortion, etc.. Are we suppose to be like the world? NO ! Shouldn't we be telling the world that Jesus is coming soon. And we are wasting our time, fighting ? What a waste of time. I love our church. I am sorry to see this happening. An older SDA lady from MI.
💥💥💥Truth spoken! Now, this is the Present Truth! "The Reformation did not, as many suppose, end with Luther. It is to be continued to the close of this world's history." (Great Controversy, p. 148) "Indifference and neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God." (3T 280.3) Praise God for pastor and historian, Bill Hughes!
I definitely side with Ron Kelly. I think the church was wrong to ban Conrad Vine. I am still studying the issues. Banning and firing and disfellowshipping good teachers is definitely wrong.
The Village Church members should go to Adventist Online Giving and pick a conference/church from that list and send all the tithes to a faithful conference. I wouldn’t give the Michigan Conference a dime!
You are right mostly, i agree with most everything you said, but you are wrong to include Watler Veith as a person who isn't speaking out agaist the wrongs from our church leaders.
I've had engagements with almost ALL the people you mention. Nothing you said surprises me. In fact, it confirms other things and situations. Thanks for that. I want to say more. Not sure how to do that yet.
Pastor I applaud your position on right and wrong. I need to share some information. The campmeeting Conrad Vine spoke at when he asked the GC to apologize to those who were harmed by the ADCOM statement that disqualified members from religious exemption for choosing not to take the jab was at a location that was not conference owned but in fact private property owned by 3 or 4 SDA church communities. Now Michigan Conference is telling Conrad Vine to pay restitution if he wants to be reinstated as a pastor in good standing.
As far as I'm concern, that church doesn't own by conference, its own by God! They're the one operate ( conference the people ) it for the Lord. We don't own anything whatever the church has, nothing! The reason why we have churches because of the tithes and offering coming from faithful people that gave because of the love they know to follow Christ, period!🙏🏼
Correct the conference owns our property, BUT we own them and it is our collective right to fire whomever we deem to be an unfaithful servant. We just need to come together and force our will downward upon them. The GC is at the bottom of the heap of our Lords kingdom.
I guess our conference has the same characteristics as the Papacy. I know Wohlberg is a left-leaning CRT supporter, which saddens me. My friend, who used to work at GC, said that there were so many extra-marital affairs within the GC. Our own conference has become the Babylon. What are we to do?
They never new their day would come Mr Vine and Mr Kelly. At one point Mr Kelly was on both side of the fence. This should tell Mr kelly he should have taken a side and left the consequences with God. If he is reinstated he will certainly be muted hence, compromised truth to continue his pay check.
Conrad was saying the church is not the remnant church, also was calling for a parachurch also redirecting tithes like you said. There's more to it than this. Don't be led astray. We need to pray for these individuals. We need to pray for the church leaders as well. Satan will sit where ever he can fit and we are allowing him into the church with contention amongst each other. I pray for all involved.
@@marrcody I heard when VINE said that in his sermon. He said the time would come when you must make the decision to stop supporting error and REDIRECT the tithes to those missions that are doing God's work. He also spoke of the time when the church would have to go back into hiding. The two things were not juxtaposed, but listed.
Unfortunately things said it this video should not be open to the world, but discussed within the closed doors of Adventism. I am an SDA and realize this is an Adventist platform, but airing out our differences within the church should be kept within the church. The purpose of these platforms should be to uplift Jesus Christ to the world, in hope of winning souls to him. This subject has been the focus of some of these platforms far too long. Let’s continue to spread the gospel, and leave the internal stuff where it belongs. I really did not hear much if any presentation of God’s word, which leaves me to ask the question-who are we trying to reach? Shouldn’t our effort be to discredit Satan by presenting the gospel, instead of giving him recognition for what he is trying to do to God’s church? All praise, worship, honor, and glory be to the Savior of the world, and the Sustainer of our lives-JESUS CHRIST!
How do you know they didn’t say anything? Could any one or more of them have talked to Ted Wilson privately and that’s why Ted Wilson came out at ASI and changed his stance saying that forced Sunday worship is the mark of the beast?
Yes, if one lie falls all other fall apart too. Amen! And then you will see the fanatism that lead to all those doctrines of men that directly contradicts the True Gospel of Jesus!
They also are in the highest level of service in our church...letting conferences and churches promote LGBT and GAY pastors at the pulpit and in our schools
@@rollinghillsslo I thought he and Batchelor and Veith were already self supporting.... maybe Doug has aligned himself with the wrong deep pockets 🤔 as for the others not speaking out, maybe they're just trying to keep the focus on what is positive. 🤷♀️ I definitely appreciate Pastors Henriques and Nougasse though.
Walter veith never says that we should not point the errors in the church... What he says is the personality involved should not really be the focus but rather the whole issue should be the focus. Reason being others within the ranks might also be victims of the issue. Addresing the victim may not be as effective as addresing the issue. Maybe the personality could even be moved to change as a result of the issue addressed.
The duty of the watchman is to stand on the tower or city wall and look out for the approach of the enemy, not inwards and watch what's happening within the city, in terms of the watchman's job definition, Walter Veith is correct. We are called to allow the tares to grow with the wheat, that does not mean to ignore errors, if anyone has highlighted errors in the church, Walter Veith is certainly one of them.
All of those popular pastors are bound by their paychecks. Have you seen Doug Batchelor’s country house!!!! I want to cry. My heart is pained for our leaders…in the conference.
The negativity I keep hearing from Pastor Hughes in regard to other ministers and ministries is disconcerting. I used to listen to him 15 years ago and either I have changed or he has. I think we need to call out these errors, but I don’t see the truth of what has been said about Conrad Vine previously, and what is being said about Walter Veith. I have had a few questionable times with Veith, especially when he seemed to skirt the issue of perfection at the end and seemed to imply we would never reach perfection before the return of Christ. After about two years he seemed to finally get it, but I think Veith is on the up and up. Just because these other ministers didn’t call Wilson out directly they continued to preach that Sunday worship was the mark of the beast.
This is not what Dr. Vine said. He politely and strongly requested that they change the reaffirmation statement on the SDA website so that it reflects our true stance and reflect our true heritage as Seventh day Adventists and children of God by allowing for our liberty of Conscience. It went to the GC floor and there was a motion to bring it up, it was seconded and thirded, but the motion was squashed by elder Wilson and another with some word salad excuse. So it was brought up properly, then dealt with improperly by those in the Gc. and so it made its way to the fore at a camp meeting sermon. Now they are still AVOIDING the SCANDEL THEY HAVE CREATED by demonizing the one who said it, and of all things asking for money from him as a RECANTATION penalty. WOW .......Now I don't work in a field where I had to take the " Fouchy ouchy" so I was able to keep working. But I did go to the web to find out that if I needed a note of preferred discretion, the conference would not have my back on this LIBERTY OF CONSCIENCE ISSUE ! I marveled at it then and was puzzled and shocked at it then. I then found out that this statement was made at a time when vaccines were tested better, and not "rushed" to market and weren't so much of a life and death gamble. So, this has just been a long time in coming to the fore, and we ALL ARE INTERESTED in how this is going to playout. And it is not wrong that it has come to the fore. It is a shame that is being handled in such a way as to make our conference leaders look so childish in the way they wat they are dealing with it. Shame. He is not wrong either in my opinion for calling for the people who made the reaffirmation statement to step down because they did not do it according to the church manual and did not value the people they put in harms way, or the fundamental liberty of conscience.
Amen, you speak truth. I have listened to that Conference debacle. So sad a dictator was able to shut down a duly elected delegate. And then Vine was removed as a delegate
@@Mary-uz2tz I am so so sorry that this mess is in this church. I am so cheered by the truth that we have here. I have no desire to leave the truth. This is a problem, please simply fix it is all.....Please don't keep digging the hole please! Ha. Please spend time each day praying for this matter. Remember , The seal is placed on "all those sighing and crying for the abominations done in isreal." So pray for our elders .
Inspiration through the writings of EGW said that at the end of time, the church will look like it's about to fall, but it doesn't. What do we think that our church will look like? We will see abominations like we have never seen before. This is just the beginning.
EGW is correct. God's Church will not fall, but SDA is not God's Church. We, the people who obey Him are His church. The "church" is not a building or a denomination.
Around 2018 or 19, during the Women's ordination debate. Daniel Jackson was on a panel. We heard him say, the conference he was a part of held the purse strings and they would do what they wanted. They could take their money and leave the Adventist denomination. Using the word, "hooey". Very disrespectful. NO ONE called him out!
Could you please let me know where Walter Veith said we are not to call out those inside the church but only those outside the church. Please let me know what video; if this happened then please show me where I can verify that?
Walter Veith has commented on Diop and the hierarchy several times but his ministry is not centeredon cricising the hierarchy nor any other ministry. I have been following his presentations since 2019
I would really like to know if Conrad Vine has(as the Bible recommends us to do in these situations) gone to each of the 4 or 5 conference leaders and talked to them one on one and prayed with them to settle the problems.
Oh Vine did reach out to leadership nearly two years ago. His voice was silenced. Other conference delegates stood with him, but Wilson would not allow them the floor to even speak.
If the general conference should put a padlock on the door, then they will also lose the tight from all those members. Because I am sure those members would send their tight somewhere else won’t they which means the general conference I think wouldn’t wanna lose that money..🤷♀️
Can you please put a link to the panel discussion you are referring to. I typed in what you posted on screen but could not find what you were talking about.
It is easy to say and perhaps even believe you would have acted differently. Wait until the job you have spent years preparing for, and the support that your family depends upon, the path you are certain is the correct one, are all threatened with erasure by the stroke of a pen. In addition almost everyone around you, friends, coworkers, those in authority are telling you taking the shot is not only safe, but is the right, safe, and moral thing to do. I pray that when my moment of testing arrives, I will be of good courage and faith to follow the Lord. I pray this for all who are God’s children in these dark times.
Very well said pastor.. if we cannot stand for the truth from within out church we will never be able to stand to the trouble outside the church
This man is a LIER
Most of the trouble will come from within and our own will turn us in, it already has started happening.
The church
The church The church. Study to show thyself approved of God. The church is not your passport to salvation.
@Mary-uz2tz so very true. Amen and Amen!
Thank you @julee and @cheryl. I totally agree. Counting Walter Veith among these men is very unfair and besmirching his name. He has been standing up for truth in this church for many years and received nothing but canceling and opposition, but thank you Jesus for giving him endurance in the race.
I’m ever so thankful for Ps Vine and Ps Veith for their courage. May God bless the brave men in His church
We have a dress code....pants on women is not one of them....the fact that Sonica is wearing pants now...concerns me. Also....Veith is not right on Daniel 11:40-45...the Eastern Question. I still love and pray for them ...but...I don't trust them any longer...and it breaks my heart.
Totally agree.
@@truthtriumphant4015 are you referring to Turkey (which is what McKenzie from AD is pushing) as being the KOTN and not the Papacy? EGW never talked about Turkey as being the KOTN in The Great Controversy? She lived until 1915 so I would have to wonder why she never talked about Turkey? Uriah Smith was not infallible and even EGW states that she never claimed to be infallible. Turkey is just a rabbit hole for SDAs as Israel is to the rest of modern Christianity.
@@truthtriumphant4015 to what dress code are you referring? The Bible tells women to dress modestly and as long as they are ladies pants and not men’s pants there is nothing wrong with that. If we are going to point to EGW and talk about the American Costume (basically a pantsuit in her day), then you better get rid of your bicycle as she wrote against buying one. If EGW was alive today I don’t think she would condemn bicycles or women’s pants (as long as they were modest). Christ wore a robe, the Roman men wore skirts (as did the Scottish men) and today the Arab men where robes and their women where trousers. Times and cultures do matter even in EGWs day which is why she stated that not a penny should be spent for a band of gold to signify marriage, unless it was the culture.
@@southernyankee2300 ruclips.net/video/QBfMMrFsHgk/видео.htmlsi=p4mefRZEudlBbjAO
Thank Ptr Bill for the Word and the Truth. The Lord is using you to guide His people. Amen.
This man is a lier...
Pastor Hughes, praise God you're preaching and teaching the truth to the glory of God ❤
Walter Veith tells the truth. I’ve listened to him for years and I have never heard him say anything like that.
Walter is a great watchman!
@@dorismann702
Yes, he sure does. He loves the Lord and want truth to persevere.
I watched Walter Veiht and Conrad Vine jointly answering prophecy questions on August' 24 and September' 24.
Definitely no animosity between them whatsoever.
Yes!! thank you ... I second that truth!! he went too far too loosely in bringing in Walter Veith..
What do you guys mean??
@ramsespelayo5914 On What's Up Prof, Walter and Martin had enough to say against the pandemic period, and who has taken more flack than Conrad on speaking and standing up for Truth, but Walter, and calling him anti-semitic to ruin him, with potential court proceedings which lasted over a year, has given him ample reason to hold his PEACE! And, because all "Rock Stars" are not towing YOUR AGENDA, doesn't give you the right to call anyone out.
Your ministry is looking equally dodgy and mean spirited, and one must ask, what type of kickback you're getting, and I'm Not talking about Money? My question is, are what you saying or engaged in, is it actually the Lord's Work, and I acknowledge and I'm dismayed in most activities I see in the church today, from the top down, but it starts with ME!
The events, looking back now, after more updates, they are wise men...they know the goings on in the church. They must've been ready, shall we say. ...the church , the church... end chapters off GC book.
@@eugenelombard960
None, whatsoever.
I came to SDA beliefs by prayer. Reading. And studying.
What I learned surprised me when I’d hear strange happenings within our institutions. Sad. Sad.
I’m
So blessed the Lord showed me this man He has at work…. Thank you my dear brother and pastor Bill Hughes.
May He find us ready as He surely is coming soon.
Unfair to Pastor Veith as he did stand against this. He is always in trouble with the GC. He has been warning us through his series for years.
Yes, and conference leadership would say that he is not a part of our church
Walter is for truth!
Agree. Walter is awesome!
@@carolread4176 Walter is a shill, do not trust him.
@@cheryllaurro3259
Pretty sure you are right. It is the truth he gives that causes them to go after him. It's tough when one gets called out for knowingly doing what they shouldn't be. Unfortunately, the GC has taken on a power trip.
Walter Veith did speak up against Diop, several times.
And about mark of the beast ,and calls by name who it is.
Yeah I heard him too so not sure why that was said
@@pammadala6822 He sure did. I listened.
Jesus is Returning. Judgement starts in the House of God first.
Pastor Walter Veith and his family have suffered persecution and general rudeness from the hierarchy of the conference and their pastors all over the world for years to put the Three Angel message out there. They have protested him and banned him, have said terrible things about him, but he has prayed for them and waited for the Holy Spirit to work on them. Walter Veith single-handedly has brought in thousands of new members to the SDA Church because of his message, and has also brought integrity and honor back to EG White's writings. Be very careful how you criticize others ministries.
Amen
Totally agree Cheryl.
I think these hosts and GC owe him an apology for besmirching his name. He has been cancelled and treated very badly
Veith is a kook. He sees conspiracy EVERYWHERE. He IS genuine in heart and his personal testimony is excellent BUT he is a kook.
Amen
I thoroughly agree.
Thank you Truth Triumphant. Thank you for the answer that the Remnant Church belongs to JESUS CHRIST, guided by His HOLY SPIRIT and the light of HIS of His WORD. Always watching from Palm Bay Florida.
We must put Christ first in our lives! Hate the enemy, Hate the Devil and Hate sin.
We are not to hate the enemy. Scripture admonishes us to love our enemies and pray for them.
Correction, Walter Veith did speak about it without calling names. I'll try and find that instance and get back to youm
@@dwighthibbert7309 thank you
@@dwighthibbert7309
He did. I just finished listening to him again. I heard the same message twice & he was very clear.
Many a star that we have admired for its brilliance will then go out in darkness. Those who have assumed the ornaments of the sanctuary, but are not clothed with Christ's righteousness, will then appear in the shame of their own nakedness. Transforming Power of Obedience to God's Law, May 30
Don't forget the man at the destruction of Jerusalem going up and down in the streets proclaiming the doom but was still destroyed in the general destruction. You have to do like the true Christians did and not only sigh and cry for the abominations but flee!
Pretty tired of the bashing of Pastor Veith. I have been listening to him for yrs. Speaking truth, exposing much, sharing the love for His Creator. You are wrong, very wrong. If you want for pastors to spend all their time looking for fault or finding reasons to criticize, then you best look at yourself. You are very negative. Truth is important, but so is the gospel message. I hope no good pastor starts speaking only the faults of everything or anyone. Our message is far more important. I get exposing, but you get off on finding fault. Veith has exposed more than you ever will be capable of doing. He has been attacked repeatedly for speaking truth & exposing things our leaders, colleges, hospitals (& the list goes on) should not be doing.
@@juleebishop5735 amen
I’m with you, Walter has shown me the truth that no other in the church has ever done.
Walter Veith has won many people for Christ and faithfully proclaimed the three angels' messages - that is the good and positive side and we are grateful for it. But it was not only with regard to the time of Jesus' return that he preached errors.
Unfortunately, through misinterpretation, he has proclaimed that we must remain in the nominal Adventist Church under all circumstances, that Christ (in reference to the parable of the tares among the wheat) would carry out the sifting by the angels at the end of time, that the unsanctified will leave us and that we should therefore not insist on cleansing and protest, even if we sin (he does not distinguish between conjecture and open sin) in the community, and even separate if necessary, as this is the task of Jesus and the angels.
Unfortunately, this prevents the separation of wheat and chaff that God wants.
That's why I understand Brother Hughes well when he criticizes Brother Veith for being against a clear statement of sins in the church and claims that we should focus on sins in the world. But isn't it the other way around? In order to receive the latter rain and be able to give the loud cry, we ourselves and the churches must first repent and be cleansed - through the work of Christ and of course also through His earthly followers, namely the faithful Adventists! May God open Brother Veith's eyes to the fact that, on the one hand, we must not tolerate any open and public sins even now, and that, on the other hand, we leave it to God alone to judge the motives of our brothers and sisters, which Jesus wants to tell us in the parable of the tares, and which is also interpreted in this way by Ellen White in Christ Object Lesson!
@@ErichSchultze
We are the church and we are not to leave the church. Those who stray will leave the church & conferences in time. Removing themselves. The church will remain. I stand with Pastor Veith on this.
staying with the church: it can be easy to misunderstand a few words when speaking of a complex situation... He understand all about staying with the truth, and one day separating from this system as EGW has warned and wrote about ... no bashing a faithful servant of the Lord should be spoken, but listen more what he says to get the whole picture.
Well said, God's truth is in charge. Amen
"If God abhors one sin above another, of which His people are guilty, it is doing nothing in case of an emergency. Indifference and neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God."
3 Testimonies for the Church, vol. 3, p. 280
THANK YOU SO MUCH PR. BILL HUGHES
Read what God says about not calling out sin. Ezekiel 3 & 33
Happy Sabbath Pr. Hughes and everyone at Truth Triumphant church and those in this comment section! The shaking is going on and I think that God is using Conrad Vine and Pr. Ron Kelly as catalyst to expose who is the wheat and who is the chaff. Other things will occur to cause the shaking to be more active causing more apostasy to be exposed. This situation didn't start the shaking but a progression of the shaking.
Agreed!! 💯💯
@@GuyPipili Amen!
I think that they are bread and circus ...because the world is about to explode ...and we are majoring in minors. Most of the leaders are not walking with Jesus...very few pastors are either....it is up to us ...personally to study God's word...and the SOP so we will not be deceived....that is our only safety....period. Don't put your trust in man...they will always fail you.
The VSDAC gives the most tithes and offerings in the Michigan Conference as well as very powerful church members, so they have some power that they could use.
Pastor Ron Kelly is loved by the church members, and they back both Conrad Vine and Ron Kelly.
It will be very interesting to see who blinks first.
Let them go rent a hall down the street already!!! The conference is not in control, they have marching orders from the higher-ups who also have orders from higher higher-ups... even if they capitulate at this time, they would have done it only to bide time
Tithe is not to be used as a power tool. It belongs to God. When we withhold tithe it’s stealing. The widow and two mites lived during the most corrupt time in history yet she gave all.
Sabbath Blessings Pastor Bill and Truth Triumphant🙏
The good thing about the banning of the Conrad Vine is that all the church can see who they really are. These are our leaders all over the world in Ghana $300,000 was given to the government by the conference presidents to build a national cathedral whilst most churches in Ghana has substandard facilities. No apology, just arrogance and pride. These leaders are so ungodly it's sickening
the reason employees will not speak out is because they too will loose their jobs. It does not matter where in the work you are this rule applies. I lost my job and it has been covered up. None are willing to call these dictators out. I have asked questions but they say nothing a real testament to their evil ways.
Money is indeed the root of all evil.
@@Mary-uz2tz No, the love of money is the root of all evil.
Thank you so very much for helping us understand what was happening and going on. My Family and I support Pastor Conrad Vine and we Thank you and Support the truth and lies that you have exposed. My family and I were searching and watching the videos from Pastor Myers, and the things coming out of His mouth. Blaming the congregation for the short comings of the Pastors . The sheep follow, if the Pastor is crooked the sheep will be misled and lost. It's a shame that they are not realizing their lack of faith in God, in not correcting the error. Ted Wilson should apologize and take all those books off the shelves, for misleading people. He has to realize, by making money from the lies he shared, he has made the money his God. And so has all the rest that sided with him by not calling him out. Shame on them. I pray the see the error of their ways and repent, The Lord will be here soon enough. And no amount of money will save them. May God Bless you, and may God's Ministry always be Truth shared as He leads and guides you to share it. Much love in Christ Jesus.
@dorothyscrantom6095 know that GC book has been changed often, as well as many of EGW's writings and warnings. Remember Jones and Waggoner, Jones who saved the Sunday law frim happening...ahh... more... we need to read.
When you say ‘Pastor Myers’ who are you referring to? Is that Ivor Myers?
@@Freshie13Yes.
@@Freshie13yes, Ivor Myers. Power of the Lamb Ministries
@@Freshie13Ivor Myers is a false teacher
We must be careful about anyone to think they are right when they are wrong. We need to humble ourselves and listen openly to the straight testimony.
"By their fruits".... And Spirit of Prophecy guides us to know they're wrong . People dont get it and supports them in part because during God given "stayvat home mandate dimue to covid 19 they didnt use thya time to study Spirit of Prophecy which lights the path for the believers. Because they don't ask or research why this happened in the first place and what's the origin of it .
I have a problem with any ministry that points to what other ministers didn’t say about an issue they themselves are exposing. It borders on the edge of self serving to further their own popularity. Most of those “other” ministries, in my experience, have been calling out errors and apostasy for years without once pointing to ministries that haven’t exposed the same errors.
Let’s continue to do everything to move God’s work throughout the world, and in the process, glorify only Him.
@leoni777144
Very well said. Sadly, it is happening a lot now. You don't see the ones they bash bashing back though. They stay calm & collected while standing their ground.
Thank you pastor Bill. God bless you. 🙏
I used to respect Myers. When I saw his video, I said no more.
I lost respect for him when he came out in support of the jab.
@@guitarcountry1 same here...stopped watching his videos
@@jswilliams-waldron7602
That is pretty much my perspective too.
No wonder that the end-time faithful need the spirit of Elijah.
Remember, when Elijah thought that he was the only one? God told him that there were many more.
Let us go in the spirit of Elijah
So blessed by your ministry!! Thank you!!! 🙏🏻📖♥️😊
I should say I like Conrad Vine, he could go on as an independent as you have done!😊🙌🏼🙏
Well done, Pastor Bill! You are a living stone crying out!
Well done.....check out this man...HE IS A LIER
You can be too, if you take time to study the Word comparing Scripture with Scripture. Why do we eat second hand?...
Happy Sabbath 🙂 Amen 🙏
Thank you for shedding the Light of Truth Pastor Hughes, may God bless & protect you & your family until the dawn of time.
YOU ARE BEING DECEIVED.....THIS MAN IS A LIER
Thanks Pastor Bill. The Lord is speaking to His people and l pray that we will listen with understanding and obedient hearts. He has told us to put our confidence in Him alone.The people need to be assured that even if they do not go back to the village church to worship because they may be turned away there are possibilities which the Lord will show them and they would be able to worship the King of Kings in Spirit and in Truth. Amen
The Lord came to fulfill His mission not to expose the Leaders. All have wisdom to know what is going on in their churches. Walter Veith has done exactly what the Lord asked him to do. Angels were present in his meetings, police officers in hundreds attended his meetings, an African queen with her guards attended his meetings. He did not waste his time in pointing out the sins of the leaders which many r doing. Walter is an intelligent man to choose what is right. Let us not waste our time for this but use our time to give the loud cry message. Thank u Lord for using Walter as a faithful servant.
This is the best comment I have heard in ages! Why air our dirty laundry in public and expect people to Join the church?
Jesus rebuked the religious leaders in front of everyone. Jesus never sides with sin, even in the churches. If you want to protect sin, hell is the place of destiny.
What should the church of Laodicea do first so that Jesus can enter? Repent! (Rev 3:19)
Otherwise it will be spit out by Jesus. And Jesus spoke a clear word in public in Matt 23!
But Veith did call it out. But it must be called out, else it festers and become an open sore.
@@Delsha777And he said,Beware the leaven of the Pharisees.
Village Church saga may start a Precedent that forms a Grassroots SDA Church people who are bound only by complete obedience to every ray of Present Truth according to Bible and Spirit of Prophecy in that order, with no reliance on Worldly Governments, meeting in hired halls and private homes?
@garysouthwell5762 time for us all to pray earnestly for this situation as it is the beginning, the foundation of our people's 'church' of the end days which we are edging into.
@@AlineLegault" house churches are common in persecuting countries and you will find those believers to be on fire for Jesus, willing to die for their Savior.
I was homeless, did drugs, went into prison, where I got to know God. He changed my life. Now I have a home, a wife and a lovely year old daughter (zoe), and a stream of income that gats me $47,000 weekly. Plus a new identity - a child of God, Hallelujah!!!!🇺🇲❣️♥️♥️
I'm feeling really motivated. Could you share some details about the bi-weekly topic you brought up?
Thanks to my co-worker whom God used to give a great opportunity of crossing paths with 'Mrs MARY MARGARET SCHIMWEG".
Wow 😱 I know her too! Miss Mary Margaret Schimweg is a remarkable individual whom has brought immense positivity and inspiration into my life.
I got started with a miserly $1500. The results have been mind blowing I must say TBH!!
Leaders many years ago did the same Danny Veria for putting up a billboard.
@@RonaldMCRAE-j1j oh!! Oh dear!
If only you would truly stand firm for God’s Truth…as written in Scripture
The Problem, Power In A Small Group of People at The Top & Pride!
So should we be surprised that these Roman Catholic loyalists mr Diop and Ted Wilson will not stop until they unite as many Adventists as possible with Rom?
We are soon at the point where it must be said,”Come out of her my people, and be not partake rd of her sins” AMEN
THANKS for sharing pastor Bill🙏🙌🏼👍
This man is a LIER....
Please stay on the ship. God will shake and cleanse His church.
@@Jaws1ist Amen
Jesuits have nearly completed their take over of SDA. Go back to the Pioneer beliefs.
The Village Church needs to have an alternate plan for backup. The Conference can take their property and resources.
That is the worst part. The ugliness of the head which wags the body.
Rent a building with your tithe and continue to preach truth
Sad reality! Pastor, you hit the nail in the head!
It is shaking time, sifting time, and sealing time!
1 Timothy 6:10, “For the love of money is the root of all evil.”
“We have far more to fear from within than from without.”
Education 57.3, “The greatest want of the world is the want of men - men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.” Beth Ramos
Sir, I want to respectfully differ with you on your presentation on one leading ministry: the ministry of Walter Veith. Personally, I never knew that apostasy existed in the SDA church until I actually listened to Walter Veith series of the ‘Total transformation’ series - that he presented over 11 years ago. I am just making this comment to inform you in case you missed it and encourage you and others who might be interested to listen to this series. In that series he categorically says that he is addressing the church- inwards- not the world outside (he already did that with total onslaught series). In the ‘Total Transformation’ series Veith has systematically and extensively given example after example of how he has been banned, tossed, cancelled (before even cancel culture became a thing), criticized, and segregated etc by various ministries like Hope channel, 3ABN, and rubbed shoulder with the establishment etc divisions, unions and conferences (&whatever the church hierarchy exists in the SDA church around the globe), universities in the USA etc.
Honestly, I personally feel upset by your statement about Veith. I encourage you to listen /read his wife’s book ‘Dwelling in the Secret Place’ and also this listen particular the lecture ‘Mordecai in the gate’ (ruclips.net/video/5-eCQSd2WHs/видео.html) given > 11 years ago. This message from minute 47 talks about three factions in the SDA church:
1. The Daniel faction- maintains a faithful relationship to God even the face of adversity (I don’t have an example to give - It is hard to be like Daniel and his three friends - it is a minority)
2. The Ezekiel faction: Those that Practice syncretism and compromise their faith (Those big universities and churches that have both traditional service and contemporary service with - big music instruments, serve coffee, no Spirit of prophecy, evolutionists, & +LGBT is a thing there etc etc.
3. The Jeremiah faction: Political factions who like the Pharisees in Jesus time sacrifice truth for the sake of structure (The Establishment calling the shots currently - Michigan conference is a good example - currently).
Listening to this message these past two weeks has given me hope and peace as I watch the debacle going on in the SDA church. I don’t need to go picking personal names etc - Jesus never did that - but being able to decipher a message from what is going on is important - I can make my own conclusions- ‘wise as an owl’. This message helps me a lot even within my local church.
Actually, if you did listen to Walter and Conrad's messages at the same meeting that caused the schism going on in the SDA church- you’ll realize they had the same message. The only difference, Conrad named names and Veith opted to say simply ‘you never know who is Caiphas or Aaron’ - opted to say ‘God is the judge’ - , ‘Tares and wheat will grow together’. I like his approach - I believe it is wisdom of age and global experiences he has gained. Even Jesus never called out Judas on the night of his betrayal. Actually - if there is one person who stood very strong and gave people a lot of education on Covid 19 vaccine is Prof Veith. I hope you will review your message and provide accurate information about Veith. I cannot speak on others - I don’t listen to them much. Thanks.
Walter Veith is a complex case... I have heard him say we should worship on Sunday when it is enforced as long as they do not stop us from worshiping on Saturday. But anyone who compromises when the NSL is enacted will never be able to turn back.
Watch the video - 187 WUP Walter Veith & Martin Smith - Sunday Proposal, Sooner Than We Think? Texas Border- Neuralink - he said it around the one hour, thirty-sixth minute marker
I have learned a lot from him but that is not to say he doesn't have issues.
All I will say to you is in Ps. 118:8-9.
God bless you
@@ChukwumeremezeI do not believe Veith said we should worship on Sundays. I think you misunderstood him
@@discern3392 Watch the video - 187 WUP Walter Veith & Martin Smith - Sunday Proposal, Sooner Than We Think? - he said it around the one hour, thirty-sixth minute marker in essence, he said we should do whatever they want us to do as long as they do not stop us from keeping Sabbath but all faithful Adventists know that the NSL comes in 3 stages, and if anyone compromises in any of the stages that person receives the mark. The first stage is even the one to be more wary of because it is more subtle
@@Chukwumeremeze I went back and watched wup 187 and the 1:36 portion. You definitely miss understood what he said. I think you should go back and rewatch it yourself. Sounds like you and this pastor have a lot in common tho.
@@mybrotherskeeper111 He quoted A Wise Course to Pursue - "To defy the Sunday laws will but strengthen in their persecution the religious zealots who are seeking to enforce them. Give them no occasion to call you law-breakers. If they are left to rein up men who fear neither God nor man, the reining up will soon lose its novelty for them, and they will see that it is not consistent nor convenient for them to be strict in regard to the observance of Sunday. Keep right on with your missionary work, with your Bibles in your hands, and the enemy will see that he has worsted his own cause. One does not receive the mark of the beast because he shows that he realizes the wisdom of keeping the peace by refraining from work that gives offense, doing at the same time a work of the highest importance." - 9T 232
Then he said: "Now, this is how it is going to start, they are going to make a Sunday day of rest
Is there anything wrong with worshiping God on a Sunday? Just because there is a Sabbath in the Bible? You can worship God on any day but the day of rest is on a Saturday, whether we like it or not, so the Sabbath is on a Saturday on it you shall not do any work, that's a law of God. Now the Sunday is just a normal secular day which has been made Holy by the Catholic Church and they tell you to keep Sunday, I have no problem doing whatever they want me to do on a Sunday as long as they do not force me to violate the Sabbath commandment by working on a Saturday. So while they are only Sunday laws but not anti-Sabbath laws, it should be fine to do what the Spirit of Prophecy says over here."
So @mybrotherskeeper111, since you have rewatched it and I have just posted the transcript above, I now have two questions for you:
1 Did I misquote him in the transcript above?
2 What is he saying here in a nutshell?
Pray for our church🙏
Village church online viewership is 30,000 plus through pastor Kelly's shepherding. It's not anymore. Plus the highest paying tithe church in Michigan conference
@@raecross8872 But if it was about the money, it seems like they would not have let him go ...so what is it really about? 🤔
Authority is more important than money to the conference leaders. You must be subordinate to their authority in all things or you will be punished. They have taken authority unto themselves that God has not given them. They have exceeded the boundaries of the authority God has given them.
@sophirichmanfletcher4657 Authority is more important than money to most conference leaders. They require that you be subordinate to them in all things or you will be punished. They have overstepped the boundaries of the authority that God has given them. It was the same in Jesus's time on earth.
Sad but true on so many levels
Please don't compare other preacher's with Professor Walter Veith, he is faithful person chosen by God.
I am sad about what has happen with Dr Vine & Pastor Kelly. The devil has got the S.D.A. Church fighting , arguing, amongst itself. Everybody arguing. The politicians, pro & con for abortion, etc..
Are we suppose to be like the world? NO ! Shouldn't we be telling the world that Jesus is coming soon. And we are wasting our time, fighting ?
What a waste of time.
I love our church. I am sorry to see this happening. An older SDA lady from MI.
💥💥💥Truth spoken! Now, this is the Present Truth!
"The Reformation did not, as many suppose, end with Luther. It is to be continued to the close of this world's history." (Great Controversy, p. 148)
"Indifference and neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God." (3T 280.3)
Praise God for pastor and historian, Bill Hughes!
Sunday is correct but I understand that Sunday will only become the Mark of the Beast when it is enforced. We are not there yet.
I definitely side with Ron Kelly. I think the church was wrong to ban Conrad Vine. I am still studying the issues. Banning and firing and disfellowshipping good teachers is definitely wrong.
The Village Church members should go to Adventist Online Giving and pick a conference/church from that list and send all the tithes to a faithful conference. I wouldn’t give the Michigan Conference a dime!
How are you really supposed to know what that "faithful" conference is?
@ probably an non NAD, Canadian, Australian, or European division would be fine.
Rev 18 is for our Time 'The Final Present Truth '
You are right mostly, i agree with most everything you said, but you are wrong to include Watler Veith as a person who isn't speaking out agaist the wrongs from our church leaders.
God please help us all 😢
I've had engagements with almost ALL the people you mention. Nothing you said surprises me.
In fact, it confirms other things and situations. Thanks for that.
I want to say more. Not sure how to do that yet.
Pastor I applaud your position on right and wrong. I need to share some information. The campmeeting Conrad Vine spoke at when he asked the GC to apologize to those who were harmed by the ADCOM statement that disqualified members from religious exemption for choosing not to take the jab was at a location that was not conference owned but in fact private property owned by 3 or 4 SDA church communities.
Now Michigan Conference is telling Conrad Vine to pay restitution if he wants to be reinstated as a pastor in good standing.
You have got to be joking!That is SICK!
As long as I live in the United States of America, My Church is Truth Triumphant Ministries.
David this man is deceiving you....He is a LIER
As far as I'm concern, that church doesn't own by conference, its own by God! They're the one operate ( conference the people ) it for the Lord. We don't own anything whatever the church has, nothing! The reason why we have churches because of the tithes and offering coming from faithful people that gave because of the love they know to follow Christ, period!🙏🏼
Correct the conference owns our property, BUT we own them and it is our collective right to fire whomever we deem to be an unfaithful servant.
We just need to come together and force our will downward upon them.
The GC is at the bottom of the heap of our Lords kingdom.
Unfortunately, because of SDA compliance to the government via 501.3c, the US Government owns SDA
LEADERSHIP ARE AFRAID OF LOSING FINANCIAL SUPPORT. AFRAID TO GO BROKE. THATS THE REASON. ALL SDA MUST HAVE SELF SUPPORTING LIVILIHOOD.
I guess our conference has the same characteristics as the Papacy. I know Wohlberg is a left-leaning CRT supporter, which saddens me. My friend, who used to work at GC, said that there were so many extra-marital affairs within the GC. Our own conference has become the Babylon. What are we to do?
Correction. It wasn’t Steven wohlberg who supported CRT. It was Ty Gibson. My apologies.
15:02 Has been briefly warning us about ecumenism in SDA in several videos
Do you have a link and time stamp regarding Wolberg's Vine comments? thanks
The evils in the church are why we have not been effective....
They never new their day would come Mr Vine and Mr Kelly.
At one point Mr Kelly was on both side of the fence. This should tell Mr kelly he should have taken a side and left the consequences with God.
If he is reinstated he will certainly be muted hence, compromised truth to continue his pay check.
My thoughts exactly!
Conrad was saying the church is not the remnant church, also was calling for a parachurch also redirecting tithes like you said. There's more to it than this. Don't be led astray. We need to pray for these individuals. We need to pray for the church leaders as well. Satan will sit where ever he can fit and we are allowing him into the church with contention amongst each other. I pray for all involved.
You misrepresenting pastor Vine. Rather listen to the sermon yourself and don't take peoples interpretation on the matter
@@marrcody I heard when VINE said that in his sermon. He said the time would come when you must make the decision to stop supporting error and REDIRECT the tithes to those missions that are doing God's work. He also spoke of the time when the church would have to go back into hiding. The two things were not juxtaposed, but listed.
Unfortunately things said it this video should not be open to the world, but discussed within the closed doors of Adventism. I am an SDA and realize this is an Adventist platform, but airing out our differences within the church should be kept within the church. The purpose of these platforms should be to uplift Jesus Christ to the world, in hope of winning souls to him. This subject has been the focus of some of these platforms far too long. Let’s continue to spread the gospel, and leave the internal stuff where it belongs. I really did not hear much if any presentation of God’s word, which leaves me to ask the question-who are we trying to reach? Shouldn’t our effort be to discredit Satan by presenting the gospel, instead of giving him recognition for what he is trying to do to God’s church? All praise, worship, honor, and glory be to the Savior of the world, and the Sustainer of our lives-JESUS CHRIST!
How do you know they didn’t say anything? Could any one or more of them have talked to Ted Wilson privately and that’s why Ted Wilson came out at ASI and changed his stance saying that forced Sunday worship is the mark of the beast?
The late Eldrr Moses Mason also preached about it.
True the whole history of Gods people,..the majoity was never right.thsta why there's gonna be a remnant.
We must keep talking about it till this we see results
The leaders are gracious wolves
I think that you meant grievous wolves. Am I correct?
Would anyone be surprised if we one day learn TW is a Jesuit?
@sophirichmanfletcher4657 The ones in the conference will be because they praise him, and he can do no wrong. Wasn't his father a Jesuit too?
@shannonmcclain2036 I have no proof, only suspicions...but "by their fruits"...🤔
They choked with Babylon bandle..$$$
It's always about the money.
Yes, if one lie falls all other fall apart too. Amen! And then you will see the fanatism that lead to all those doctrines of men that directly contradicts the True Gospel of Jesus!
They also are in the highest level of service in our church...letting conferences and churches promote LGBT and GAY pastors at the pulpit and in our schools
Funding hospitals that do abortions and gender alteri g surgeries😢
Myers went off the rails some time ago...his latest on the heavenly sanctuary is exactly what Ellen warns about in Spiritual gifts ...
Pray for Steve Wohlberg and many others who are involved in the saga of the King of the North and the King of the South.
What is the debate over? It seems to be the next disagreement in our faith 🙏
@@rollinghillsslo I thought he and Batchelor and Veith were already self supporting.... maybe Doug has aligned himself with the wrong deep pockets 🤔 as for the others not speaking out, maybe they're just trying to keep the focus on what is positive. 🤷♀️ I definitely appreciate Pastors Henriques and Nougasse though.
Walter veith never says that we should not point the errors in the church... What he says is the personality involved should not really be the focus but rather the whole issue should be the focus. Reason being others within the ranks might also be victims of the issue. Addresing the victim may not be as effective as addresing the issue. Maybe the personality could even be moved to change as a result of the issue addressed.
The duty of the watchman is to stand on the tower or city wall and look out for the approach of the enemy, not inwards and watch what's happening within the city, in terms of the watchman's job definition, Walter Veith is correct. We are called to allow the tares to grow with the wheat, that does not mean to ignore errors, if anyone has highlighted errors in the church, Walter Veith is certainly one of them.
All of those popular pastors are bound by their paychecks. Have you seen Doug Batchelor’s country house!!!!
I want to cry. My heart is pained for our leaders…in the conference.
The negativity I keep hearing from Pastor Hughes in regard to other ministers and ministries is disconcerting. I used to listen to him 15 years ago and either I have changed or he has. I think we need to call out these errors, but I don’t see the truth of what has been said about Conrad Vine previously, and what is being said about Walter Veith. I have had a few questionable times with Veith, especially when he seemed to skirt the issue of perfection at the end and seemed to imply we would never reach perfection before the return of Christ. After about two years he seemed to finally get it, but I think Veith is on the up and up. Just because these other ministers didn’t call Wilson out directly they continued to preach that Sunday worship was the mark of the beast.
This is not what Dr. Vine said. He politely and strongly requested that they change the reaffirmation statement on the SDA website so that it reflects our true stance and reflect our true heritage as Seventh day Adventists and children of God by allowing for our liberty of Conscience. It went to the GC floor and there was a motion to bring it up, it was seconded and thirded, but the motion was squashed by elder Wilson and another with some word salad excuse. So it was brought up properly, then dealt with improperly by those in the Gc. and so it made its way to the fore at a camp meeting sermon. Now they are still AVOIDING the SCANDEL THEY HAVE CREATED by demonizing the one who said it, and of all things asking for money from him as a RECANTATION penalty. WOW .......Now I don't work in a field where I had to take the " Fouchy ouchy" so I was able to keep working. But I did go to the web to find out that if I needed a note of preferred discretion, the conference would not have my back on this LIBERTY OF CONSCIENCE ISSUE ! I marveled at it then and was puzzled and shocked at it then. I then found out that this statement was made at a time when vaccines were tested better, and not "rushed" to market and weren't so much of a life and death gamble. So, this has just been a long time in coming to the fore, and we ALL ARE INTERESTED in how this is going to playout. And it is not wrong that it has come to the fore. It is a shame that is being handled in such a way as to make our conference leaders look so childish in the way they wat they are dealing with it. Shame. He is not wrong either in my opinion for calling for the people who made the reaffirmation statement to step down because they did not do it according to the church manual and did not value the people they put in harms way, or the fundamental liberty of conscience.
Amen, you speak truth. I have listened to that Conference debacle. So sad a dictator was able to shut down a duly elected delegate. And then Vine was removed as a delegate
@@Mary-uz2tz I am so so sorry that this mess is in this church. I am so cheered by the truth that we have here. I have no desire to leave the truth. This is a problem, please simply fix it is all.....Please don't keep digging the hole please! Ha. Please spend time each day praying for this matter. Remember , The seal is placed on "all those sighing and crying for the abominations done in isreal." So pray for our elders .
Inspiration through the writings of EGW said that at the end of time, the church will look like it's about to fall, but it doesn't.
What do we think that our church will look like?
We will see abominations like we have never seen before.
This is just the beginning.
That quote is not for now. It's for the mob period
EGW is correct. God's Church will not fall, but SDA is not God's Church. We, the people who obey Him are His church. The "church" is not a building or a denomination.
It is very easy to make accusations, but where are the sources, where is the evidence for the claims about Veith, Meyers and Wohlberg?
Around 2018 or 19, during the Women's ordination debate. Daniel Jackson was on a panel. We heard him say, the conference he was a part of held the purse strings and they would do what they wanted. They could take their money and leave the Adventist denomination. Using the word, "hooey". Very disrespectful.
NO ONE called him out!
Could you please let me know where Walter Veith said we are not to call out those inside the church but only those outside the church. Please let me know what video; if this happened then please show me where I can verify that?
Happy Sabbath. I think the mark of the beast is any authority that is force on believers that is above Gods authority. What do you think?
Attending an SDA church on Sabbath will not save you if you worship the wrong god.
Who is the beast according to scripture & SoP? What is his self proclaimed mark of authority?
Like w the at happened to Martin Luther, for calling out the errors in the Catholic Church 🫣🤔🙏🏻
The sifting
The power from beneath.
Please provide documentation of Elder Ted Wilson’s comments concerning Sabbath. Thank you
You are wrong about Walter. So maybe you are wrong about other things.
Walter Veith has commented on Diop and the hierarchy several times but his ministry is not centeredon cricising the hierarchy nor any other ministry. I have been following his presentations since 2019
Pastor Bill, you are most unfair to Walter Veith. Go back and check what he said and how he said it. Please do not jump to conclusions.
I would really like to know if Conrad Vine has(as the Bible recommends us to do in these situations) gone to each of the 4 or 5 conference leaders and talked to them one on one and prayed with them to settle the problems.
Oh Vine did reach out to leadership nearly two years ago. His voice was silenced. Other conference delegates stood with him, but Wilson would not allow them the floor to even speak.
If the general conference should put a padlock on the door, then they will also lose the tight from all those members. Because I am sure those members would send their tight somewhere else won’t they which means the general conference I think wouldn’t wanna lose that money..🤷♀️
Where are your eyes, pastor?
Can you please put a link to the panel discussion you are referring to. I typed in what you posted on screen but could not find what you were talking about.
The young man in Australia did not have to take the vaccine. He could have resigned his job.
Agree
It is easy to say and perhaps even believe you would have acted differently. Wait until the job you have spent years preparing for, and the support that your family depends upon, the path you are certain is the correct one, are all threatened with erasure by the stroke of a pen. In addition almost everyone around you, friends, coworkers, those in authority are telling you taking the shot is not only safe, but is the right, safe, and moral thing to do.
I pray that when my moment of testing arrives, I will be of good courage and faith to follow the Lord. I pray this for all who are God’s children in these dark times.
You sound like a perfect Job’s counselor.
@worldsigh1788
If you can't run with the foot men ( the covid vaccine) how will you run with the horses ( the mark of the beast)?
I wonder if we are being too picky..?? Did EGW not warn us about being picky and splitting the church ?
Wolves in sheep clothing trying to undermine the church