Sorry, there were a few moments during the video where music was playing a bit too loud. Hopefully it wasn't too distracting. I also forgot to mention it as well, but Nightmare switches to Endless MP when you cast a skill while under 30% mana. By default, this is 1078 MP once you reach the maximum MP of 3594 at level 55. Meaning the first skill you cast while under 1078 will trigger the swap. Do not use mana food with this build. YOU CAN STILL PLAY HALLUCINATION IF YOU WANT. In short form fights, with no crit synergy Hallucination will still out-perform. The strength of Nightmare set (as it always has been) is that in longer fights it may allow you to do additional cycles of Ignition. The build works with Hallucination as well and reliably builds meter before each Doomsday cooldown, but be careful of mana and adjust tripods/eat mana food as needed.
I was already running this build in Voldis because you just have to for most of the fights... RG Nightmare sorc was the only reason I didn't quit the class, so I was glad to find out there was a counter build. I REALLY hope SG reworks sorc so we can go back to being ranged again though. My wishlist is no more double doomsday, a new skill, and a free X on a cooldown.
Updated findings post-patch when :333 Besides delayed explosion is there any other build that's comparable in dps? F.e. Delayed Esoteric instead or something
I'm sorry but this Kingdom Hearts remix was SO GOOD that I could barely pay attention to what you said in that portion of the video 😂 Will watch it again!
@@ncwhit igniter, too punishing if u miss spells. U cant predict every pattern. So we can imagine a.kind of "compensation" if doomsday doesnt Land properly for exemple.
been trying this out since last week and man the rotation feels so smooth now and i just did voldis today with my static and yeah its a freaking weak point machine so much nicer than using eso
The main major change from the buffs to Sorceress are that Reverse Gravity is replaced by Inferno! Reverse Gravity can no longer be used for gauge since they increased the cooldown on it.
Fantastic video; I hope you have a swift recovery. This came at a perfect time because I was building my Sorc and noticed this build while browsing what is popular in KR right now. After seeing a whole Thaemine run with this build, I thought it looked really interesting, however given that you had about 58.5% critrate, I never really understood the choice of Keen blunt. Class: 25%; Adren: 5%; elixar: 7% ; Stat: 20% if my math adds up lol. Having saying that, why are people shifting away from CD? I know that there are diminishing returns, but what does that really entail? Much love
Hello. Barring anything else, ideally you have: 25% from crit stat (spec+crit bracelet) 25% from Igniter 5-15% from Adrenaline (the more the better, 9/7 stone or just use Adrenaline core) 7% Master elixir 20% synergy This should edge out Cursed Doll. As explained in the video, you'll have sub-Cursed Doll efficacy if you don't have crit synergies. Besides for that, there's an important note that fights that feature AP-related buffs are additive with engravings. So, Gargadeth's 40% buff, the buff from the next guardian Veskal, Voldis Gate 3 fire buff, and Thaemine G6 80% buff will diminish the effect of the AP from Cursed Doll, Increased Mass, Ether Predator, and even the 2-6% from Adrenaline. The 80% buff from Thaemine in particular is important and means classes that use Increased Mass and Cursed Doll don't get as much power from this buff. Atropine is also additive to this and it means using KBW gives you better Atropine efficiency which is important on burst classes like Sorceress.
@@SaintoneHello! Isn’t better to have adrenaline 3, CD 1 and elixirs for critical damage? Or for rich people 5+2 adr and same elixirs? Cause addition adr stack give 5% and elixirs - 7. Difference so pity.
Hi Saint, thanks for the video. I have a question that's not directly related to the full content but rather your statement on Reflux at the end; "In order to make Reflux do good damage, you have to be in endless MP all the time" Can you point me to anybody who's done testing to support this recently? On my ~1610 Reflux, trying all sorts of skill combinations between FC, Seraphic, DD, Explosion (plus the usual suspects of course), I can't for the life of me get a parse that suggests that there is any appreciable DPS difference between the two states. If anything it's the opposite, and Trixion should be the ideal environment for boundless being preferable (no mechs, no DR). Boundless seems maybe a tiny bit favored if running Frost Call but this has largely fallen out of style with Reflux since Explosion Backfire is so good now, and FC is a self-fulfilling prophecy (doesn't do good damage, just makes boundless easier). So the "must be endless" almost feels like a statement that's been repeated from the days of lower lvl relic sets, lesser yearning buff, etc. but if there is good recent data out there I'd like to know.
I think it's a given that no matter how you play, entering Boundless MP is a given when it comes to Reflux. But the value of Boundless MP is very different on so many classes due to either their low cooldowns or because they're too animation locked to take advantage of the CDR buff without causing a cooldown traffic jam. Because Reflux is capable of keeping up with the CDR since it's innately a heavy crit class, it should play similar to an Emperor Arcana in that regard where it casts everything off cooldown to maintain Endless MP, though that class has less animation lock and has a few more benefits for being in that state (more card draw due to more casts) the same principle applies. I think Reflux is a really easy build for someone to start playing or to get into, but it's very taxing and stressful to pursue min/max damage on it.
@@Saintone That's the thing I'm getting at. Arcana has secondary benefits that make boundless MP an obvious boon (more card draw, low animation lock, more uptime on self-buffs that don't innately have 100% uptime). Igniter and FM SE have the boon of low cooldowns for meter generation skills between burst. Reflux has none of these things. I suspect we are all just paroting a goal for Reflux that doesn't reflect the reality of the class, and that being in one state vs the other is not a real dps loss or gain. Thus it shouldn't be as stressful as most people suggest. If the data isn't out there I guess I'll just need to do more testing :)
i just want to be able to cast 2 meteors whenever i want instead opf having a 1 second window where the boss has a lethal attack and i have to choose between casting doomsday or dying
Thanks for the informative video, the cycle looks great and I'm considering trying it out but I worry that because I don't have the full lvl 10 gems page something will go wrong or wont feel right, do you perhaps know how viable this is at lower gem tiers or what the minimum gem requirements for the build realistically are?
Works fine with 9s. I have tried with 7s before but you won’t do Mana Addict - Boundless swap properly in the 2nd rotation. Might be gems problem or me problem because I was new to the tech at the time.
This build has lower gem dependencies than a build that uses Esoteric Reaction. You really only need a very high DD gem and that's it, which is standard anyways. But the higher the gems the less strict the Boundless timing will be of course since you won't give your MP as much time to recover.
It has a lot shortest cooldown, allowing you to spam it almost twice as often if not more than esoteric reaction. Which is crucial in burning mana to enter the boundless mana recovery state. Also, inside the boundless mana recovery state, the cooldown of reverse gravity is 5-6s, which means you can use it 2-3 times before your doomsday come back up, which provides more meter generation than esoteric reaction (more casts, more meter).
I simply don't know which engravings to use, I pug all the content because my friends are too far behind and even so there is no critical synergy, should I replace CD with Adrenaline 3 in conjunction with Ether Predator 1? This doubt is killing me... KBW doesn't seem like a good idea if I can't achieve consistent synergy What would you do in a world without critical synergy? Thank you very much for this video, it inspired me to continue sorc and change my default build!
As a Sorc main who is usually Master Counterpuncher I would suggest to go for the Wiping Wind tripod (3rd row, second option) on Squall. I think this build can afford to push Squall to lvl 10 and since Squall is already part of rotation even the damage increase is nice. But the range makes the Squall into one of the best counters in the game. I honestly never had an issue even before all the improvement to the skill and it's only getting better. Otherwise thanks for making this video. Would love to see this type of content for any of your classes to be honest :)
Would you drop blaze to level 10 to get Squall to level 10 for the tripod? If that is the case, won't you lose too much damage considering that blaze does a decent amount of damage (that's why we have level 10 damage gem for blaze).
@@rokurosora2404 You also increase the amount of damage Squall does by up to 80% and you are using it in the rotation for this build anyway. But honestly the utility and the big reach of this counter is just so nice for me that I don't want to give up on it. Even if it results in slightly less dmg overall. Of course take it from someone who is doing all the mechs and utility things as a Sorceress player. If you aim for Cruel Fighter and taking Counter is an annoyance you're sometimes force to do. I may not be the best person for you to listen to. (Not aimed at you specifically, but at the mindset described).
HI! I'm trying this build and I got a few questions/concerns. Is this build recommended for alts? My Sorc is 1560 full lvl 7 Gems. I was testing this build in trixion and I think that if you don't have lvl 10 CD Gems you can't really cicle that well. Also, you're supposed to lose the dmg from the second DD right? At least, the dmg from the set. Seems weird since is Sorc strongest ability... I tried this build again in Brel and didn't quite get the feeling of it. Am I missing something?
It's challenging to play this build at the fully potency if you have lower level gems. The second Doomsday must benefit from either set effect, either Mana Addiction or Endless MP. Endless MP is preferred if the fight is longer.
@@Saintone Yeah I was thinking it's not the best build for an alt but idk, I think I will give it a few more practices in actual raids and see if I adapt to it. Thanks for the reply!
Playing with Artist has always given me huge headaches trying to get into Boundless in time. Does being able to cast 2x Squall vs 1x Eso before the 2nd Doomsday make this significantly easier to deal with, or should I continue to dodge Artists?
You should be able to state cycle even in a party with an Artist if you cast Blaze and Squall early in your Igniter rotation (either before or immediately after Explo/PS). This build has very heavy mana dump.
@@Saintonesome artists throw their mana buff just before I enter boundless, which forces me to use the 2nd DD to trigger boundless. And as you said in the video, that's the worst case scenario. What will I do in that case? Do I just send the 2nd DD and trigger boundless in it? Or do I save it for the next cycle (but won't be able to enter boundless to charge build meter fast)?
I just cut a hm9/cd7 stone..... can you tell me what engravings should i use with that stone and what set.... hallu or nightmare set? i have only 1580 lvl... and will take some time until 40 elixir....so without elixir what is best?
my 1622.5 sorc is 564crit/1842spec/139swift almost like your setup but then im on grudge3/aoa3/hm3/ignite3/kwb3/adren1 halu build where the squall counter cd is still considerably slow up time, is lv10 cd required to make this counter build normally? or is there a build that i can hold my counter until mech requires or it is part of the rotation set that needed as a meter gain skill?
You don't use a gem on Squall! But you do use it as part of meter generation. You should be able to get at least two casts of it for meter while building.
Would you like to see an overall rework of the Sorceress or do you think she just needs some more minor tweaks to "catch up" with current top performers?
At what crit rate % would you say is a decent spot to swap back to nightmare? Reason being I run KBW (fuck cursed doll) but I don't have my 40 set yet so I've been wondering if it's possible to swap back to nightmare without elixirs. I'm currently running this build on hallu but with mana tripods on dd/explosion, the end goal is swapping back to nightmare
I think if you can get to ~80% or more crit chance, you can work with Nightmare (this is including two crit synergies). KBW technically overtakes Cursed Doll at 85% but there's other reasons to take KBW over Cursed Doll (combat AP buff efficiency, Atropine efficiency). For fights where you don't get crit synergies, you just eat the loss.
@@Saintonewould it be worth to run KBW 3 with adrenaline 3 and hit master 1 instead of hit master 3 adrenaline 1? Since the more crit from adrenaline 3 will make KBW have more efficiency (trying to force KBW to be worth it in all cases, which is probably a bad idea)
I have a question about how you casting your skills. As a regular sorcerer player, I was using doomsday - frost call - AR all the time, and now when I'm trying to use doomsday with rime arrow, it simply doesn't works the same way like it work in your hands. So, the question is, how to do it correctly? I've seen that your rotation somehow feels overall way faster than mine. What am I missing of?
Some people have issues with this if they have quick cast on in the game options. But it's just a practice thing. It also won't work in Trixion if you don't simulate Yearning speed bonus (that's why I put on the Spirit Absorption Lv. 3 + Atk/Move Spd. Down Lv. 2, for simming).
Thank you for the insight, as it does bring some hope for the class overall. Personally, it feels like the class got robbed of its identity as a heavy damage dealer. This build is to remedy the infamy sorc got over the time, and show it's capable of being quite useful to the raid and have a meaningful contribution to the clear, but for me it's not what she's supposed to be. In my eyes, she's supposed to be a ranged damage powerhouse who sacrifices mobility, tankiness and has casting main damage skills, but in return does really big numbers. Having to run a skill that is essentially a chaos dungeon skill or a defensive tool in pvp as one of the main meter-generating skills, which also puts you in melee range, is completely counter-intuitive to me, and sort of kills the fantasy. Seeing classes like slayer or souleater doing what she is supposed to do but just better, feels like sorc is left behind for now.
Just did a voldis with a pug sorc who said they were trying this out. Destruction was great, stagger was adequate, and their damage was good. To top it off, they were stealing counters left and right. I've always liked taking igniters, and this build just makes them an even better pick.
We actually had no crit synergies, and they averaged between 50 and 55 percent crit rate. Comparing them to everyone in all my runs for the past 4 weeks, they fall directly in the middle of the pack. Comparing them only to me in that run, they were geared 16% better and in reality did 10% more damage than me. This isn't bad considering I generally match or beat people geared at about the same level as them. They performed better than the average pug.
You have to eventually get 40 set elixir anyways. But elixirs are just particularly powerful on Nightmare set Sorceress due to the heavy value of crit on her.
ever tried full swiftness reflux with mana shield to stop mg regen fully when hit? maybe try it , you would be surprised how easy it is and i doubt the damage is lower than full crit.
Full Swiftness is too challenging to keep up with the cooldowns. Everything is too low and Reflux animations are too long causing constant cooldown traffic jams.
@@nikosRuLLeR You can use blue wealth, to achieve easier... The teory of this build is good, but in real fight its another story, if you miss some reverse gravity I will not fill identity before DD comes on. So blue wealth in Squall can help you to fix some mistakes.
@@Saintone What you mean is that you can add points by referring to the skills you built for the witch in the previous issue and place them in Hell mode, right?
You can do Doomsday Rime arrow Ignite with only a purple galewind on rime arrow. you can use the gold somewhere else. This should do considerably less damage (>5%) than the esoteric variant.
You can, but there's no real point of doing it. The gold Galewind isn't more beneficial on Explosion or Punishing Strike than it is on Rime Arrow. Esoteric + RG is still the highest ceiling build, but if you do that you need a fallback plan for fights that require or would greatly benefit from you having a counter.
This build is in theory good in trixion, but it's hard to hit that rotation in any kind of real raid szenario. Especially if u have a artist or summoner in ur team. You can't hit boundless if your sup isn't sleeping.
It's not that hard to do this rotation in real raid! The benefits of mostly ranged Hit Master. But you're right, it would be a struggle with a Summoner in the party. Fortunately, you don't want their synergy anyway.
i have only a artist in my party and in a real raid i almost never reach boundless in time,even tho i also use frostcall in igniter to burn my mana... really dont know how you do that with an artist that is not afk and play the raid
@@xitzehoeyou gotta do the ra+DD cast before ignite without two RA its hard to push into boundless if you start rotation at full mana and have artist in party, tho in theory it should be easier to go boundless before second DD with squall compared to ESO because squall gets casted twice before second DD.
@@Saintone Thanks mate, I just had the chance to confirm this on Trixion, will take a bit to get used to it but seems refreshing to play. Just one more question tho, for someone who has lvl 9 gems on just DD, which skill would you suggest using an extra lvl 9 CDR on? It's currently rolled to FC, wondering if it would be better to go for RG or RA perhaps? Thanks in advance!
if you didnt have that amount of swift, do you think you would be able to pull of doomsday + rime arrow igniter combo off even with the legendary galewind rune?
Even with no swiftness, you can do it with a lower rank Galewind and just Yearning. It's more insurance more than anything else. But if I had my choice I would just have crit on my bracelet.
@@Saintonejust borrowing this comments , but i was wondering if there was a trick for this combo , i tried to do it many time on trixion with more swift sa3, leg galewind but it always fail , dont know if it is ping issue (play around 175-187) , if it is , dont know if there is an alternative?
@@Saintone hey ! today i succeded trying a lot of things in trixion , it was an issue with the smart cast option(kinda sus to have to play without it now :/) , i removed it and this is working now, the issue with smartcast was when the casting of doomsday end , i couldnt RA anim-cancel right away and got stuck on the long anim (i also removed the spell screenshake option , things are more smooth)
@@MegaCrow777 That's good to hear. It's possible to animation cancel with smart cast on but the timing is pretty tight. Much more forgiving to play without it, which is what most Sorceress players do.
That's normal. You need to exit Boundless MP and re-enter the other state for damage before your Z is ready. If your MP is still low and you're still in Boundless MP as your Z is filling up then you'll end up with a conundrum where you can't Ignite.
@abirbinhabib7669 Oh my bad then! Casting Reflux gets a lot of hate, I just assumed your comment was meant ironic! For all I know (idk if it helps) you run crit/swift (main crit, your damage depends heavily on criting) and AoA is a must. Apart from the standard Grudge and your class engraving of course, I assume you also go with Hit Master and Keen Blunt Weapon (since your main stat is crit). Your +1 is therefore Adrenaline. Regarding Set I'd say you go with Nightmare ^^
@@scarlettlavey ohh.. i used to play with the same stats and engravings.. i switched to instacrit cuz landing the casting skills was annyoing and i kept missing, also all out attack used to annoy me cuz you miss out on other engravings, i use same stats for instacast but still run doomsday lmao
Erratic uncontrolled movement. For G2 Thaemine just the first section of the fight can sometimes be annoying (when he turns into a dragon it gets easier). G5/6 Thaemine his movements are a lot less predictable but there are some good windows to ignite on. G4 on the other hand is pretty good the entire way through.
It's not a bad idea. Technically, the meter gen is even better with that tripod, however it's one of your biggest meter gen skills and that tripod makes it take 5 seconds to build meter instead of just the 2, which can be a little challenging to make use of. It's definitely a decent choice though (there's a compelling argument that if the boss is standing still for Reverse Gravity anyways that tripod on FC would be hitting as well). I tried it out for a while and there were just a few hiccup moments where I wished the FC meter was just quicker rather than spread across 5 seconds.
Hi Saintone. I'm trying out the other meta counter sorc build (extra damage gem on FC with it being level 12, with squall at 4, and blaze at 11 with no CD gem). I'm guessing it has a higher potential damage output but it is less forgiving in rotation to enter boundless state. Also I can't really find any information but I'm guessing you cancel first DD with FC instead of RA? Any thoughts on one build vs the other?
It's not a bad idea but it has tighter timing. Frost Call on its own doesn't do bad damage, but the damage it deals is kinda bad for how long the cooldown is. It's also as you say, harder to enter Boundless MP with since Squall will cost much less mana and Frost Call will just cost a little more with less casts. I think it complicates things a bit more without necessarily yielding notably more damage, but it does work if you want to play it that way.
I forgot to change my recording settings off 936p and there's no option for 936p on RUclips so I guess it downscaled to 720p. I'll try to remember next time.
have u tried to change blaze rune to quick recharge, if u can somehow proc it 2 times u doomsday while u still have half of the arcane rupture (wtf broken?!??) its basically sorc rework for free( u only lose like 2-3% dmg who cares just think about it as missing 1 doomsday xpp) i swear its the goat
@@Saintone sorry i should have worded it better, I was more wondering if the mana cost increase on squall by bringing it to lvl 9 was important enough to justify lowering a skill to lvl 11 due to lack of skill points or is it ok to leave squall at 7
I don't get why smilegate thinks this a good state the sorc is in right now. I started maining sorc when the game released and switched away from her because compared to other classes this class is just significantly harder to play if you want to make viable dmg. I have to watch my mana state due to nightmare, have to get the skill timing right to be able to do animation cancels, getting rim arrow off after casting doomsday into arcane rupture is also not easy to hit consistently, having to learn the boss movements rigorously to predict the movements of the boss 2 seconds into the future and after doing all this effort my dmg is still worse than that of another class with which I can turn my brain off and just smash buttons because it neither has any of this nuisance nor does it have mana to watch out for. In my opinion sorc should be a class that has okay dmg when you don't put in all this effort and S tier dmg when you are able to consistently pull this off because putting in all this effort should definitely be more rewarding. My static didn't even allow me to use my sorc for new bosses anymore after kayangle came out. I missed most of my skills on the boss since we didn't know anything about their movements. My mate is using a dps meter, I only did 10% dmg on the boss in kaya and I also just felt really bad playing sorc against them because I know I missed alot of my skills. I switched to my berserker with worse gear and immediately did 30% dmg on the boss. Afterwards I basically had to switch my main because of it.
I still stand strong that Kayangel is the worst raid for igniter sorc. There is a way around it for most gates, but the bosses have a lot of random teleports/dashes that makes it very easy to miss.
I play this build atm and I'm not sure about it , but it's mainly because I'm playing with artist and wardancer in a static, so I'm constantly trying to reach endless mp while this MF gives always mp xD and always the fi WD roc hits when my ignite ends...the hallu was perfect no mp or crit probs now it's always a hit or miss...
@@achimouwu1503 Here is Saint's cmt above if you haven't seen it "Hello. Barring anything else, ideally you have: 25% from crit stat (spec+crit bracelet) 25% from Igniter 5-15% from Adrenaline (the more the better, 9/7 stone or just use Adrenaline core) 7% Master elixir 20% synergy This should edge out Cursed Doll. As explained in the video, you'll have sub-Cursed Doll efficacy if you don't have crit synergies. Besides for that, there's an important note that fights that feature AP-related buffs are additive with engravings. So, Gargadeth's 40% buff, the buff from the next guardian Veskal, Voldis Gate 3 fire buff, and Thaemine G6 80% buff will diminish the effect of the AP from Cursed Doll, Increased Mass, Ether Predator, and even the 2-6% from Adrenaline. The 80% buff from Thaemine in particular is important and means classes that use Increased Mass and Cursed Doll don't get as much power from this buff. Atropine is also additive to this and it means using KBW gives you better Atropine efficiency which is important on burst classes like Sorceress."
Updated findings post-patch when :333 Besides delayed explosion is there any other build that's comparable in dps? F.e. Delayed Esoteric instead or something
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Sorry, there were a few moments during the video where music was playing a bit too loud. Hopefully it wasn't too distracting.
I also forgot to mention it as well, but Nightmare switches to Endless MP when you cast a skill while under 30% mana. By default, this is 1078 MP once you reach the maximum MP of 3594 at level 55. Meaning the first skill you cast while under 1078 will trigger the swap. Do not use mana food with this build.
YOU CAN STILL PLAY HALLUCINATION IF YOU WANT. In short form fights, with no crit synergy Hallucination will still out-perform. The strength of Nightmare set (as it always has been) is that in longer fights it may allow you to do additional cycles of Ignition. The build works with Hallucination as well and reliably builds meter before each Doomsday cooldown, but be careful of mana and adjust tripods/eat mana food as needed.
I was already running this build in Voldis because you just have to for most of the fights... RG Nightmare sorc was the only reason I didn't quit the class, so I was glad to find out there was a counter build.
I REALLY hope SG reworks sorc so we can go back to being ranged again though. My wishlist is no more double doomsday, a new skill, and a free X on a cooldown.
That's literally what I'm thinking too and I don't mind having a cooldown in the blink for the sake of PVP balances.
Can't believe we got a Sorceress video with a freaking counter build before we got Lore Ark
Updated findings post-patch when :333
Besides delayed explosion is there any other build that's comparable in dps? F.e. Delayed Esoteric instead or something
I'm sorry but this Kingdom Hearts remix was SO GOOD that I could barely pay attention to what you said in that portion of the video 😂
Will watch it again!
thanks Saint to make Sorc class survives in those dire times :D interesting build but still waiting for a rework of our beloved class :)
what kind of rework do you think it needs
players brain to use counter insted of full dmg build
@@ncwhit igniter, too punishing if u miss spells. U cant predict every pattern. So we can imagine a.kind of "compensation" if doomsday doesnt Land properly for exemple.
@@drgremory5275 whats your point ?
Still holding strong on having sorc as my main. Very happy about the recent balance patch
Sorc main from day 1 still standing Strong Prayge . Thanks for the Video
I am a sorc main and my sorc is my bebe. Thanks for helping my RG Nightmare Igniter Build
I've been playing this build for the past 2 weeks it's really challenging but comfy too
I was almost using that same build, since i'm always been in love with caster class. Now i can propertly switch My build for the weakpoint utility
been trying this out since last week and man the rotation feels so smooth now and i just did voldis today with my static and yeah its a freaking weak point machine so much nicer than using eso
Thank you Saintone for the awesome guide!! Does this still work with the changes coming to Sorc? =)
The main major change from the buffs to Sorceress are that Reverse Gravity is replaced by Inferno! Reverse Gravity can no longer be used for gauge since they increased the cooldown on it.
*played 2 hanumatan with my 2 sorcs earlier and they are back to business
Fantastic video; I hope you have a swift recovery.
This came at a perfect time because I was building my Sorc and noticed this build while browsing what is popular in KR right now.
After seeing a whole Thaemine run with this build, I thought it looked really interesting, however given that you had about 58.5% critrate, I never really understood the choice of Keen blunt.
Class: 25%; Adren: 5%; elixar: 7% ; Stat: 20% if my math adds up lol.
Having saying that, why are people shifting away from CD?
I know that there are diminishing returns, but what does that really entail?
Much love
Hello. Barring anything else, ideally you have:
25% from crit stat (spec+crit bracelet)
25% from Igniter
5-15% from Adrenaline (the more the better, 9/7 stone or just use Adrenaline core)
7% Master elixir
20% synergy
This should edge out Cursed Doll. As explained in the video, you'll have sub-Cursed Doll efficacy if you don't have crit synergies.
Besides for that, there's an important note that fights that feature AP-related buffs are additive with engravings. So, Gargadeth's 40% buff, the buff from the next guardian Veskal, Voldis Gate 3 fire buff, and Thaemine G6 80% buff will diminish the effect of the AP from Cursed Doll, Increased Mass, Ether Predator, and even the 2-6% from Adrenaline. The 80% buff from Thaemine in particular is important and means classes that use Increased Mass and Cursed Doll don't get as much power from this buff. Atropine is also additive to this and it means using KBW gives you better Atropine efficiency which is important on burst classes like Sorceress.
@@SaintoneHello! Isn’t better to have adrenaline 3, CD 1 and elixirs for critical damage? Or for rich people 5+2 adr and same elixirs? Cause addition adr stack give 5% and elixirs - 7. Difference so pity.
Hi Saint, thanks for the video. I have a question that's not directly related to the full content but rather your statement on Reflux at the end;
"In order to make Reflux do good damage, you have to be in endless MP all the time"
Can you point me to anybody who's done testing to support this recently? On my ~1610 Reflux, trying all sorts of skill combinations between FC, Seraphic, DD, Explosion (plus the usual suspects of course), I can't for the life of me get a parse that suggests that there is any appreciable DPS difference between the two states. If anything it's the opposite, and Trixion should be the ideal environment for boundless being preferable (no mechs, no DR). Boundless seems maybe a tiny bit favored if running Frost Call but this has largely fallen out of style with Reflux since Explosion Backfire is so good now, and FC is a self-fulfilling prophecy (doesn't do good damage, just makes boundless easier).
So the "must be endless" almost feels like a statement that's been repeated from the days of lower lvl relic sets, lesser yearning buff, etc. but if there is good recent data out there I'd like to know.
I think it's a given that no matter how you play, entering Boundless MP is a given when it comes to Reflux. But the value of Boundless MP is very different on so many classes due to either their low cooldowns or because they're too animation locked to take advantage of the CDR buff without causing a cooldown traffic jam.
Because Reflux is capable of keeping up with the CDR since it's innately a heavy crit class, it should play similar to an Emperor Arcana in that regard where it casts everything off cooldown to maintain Endless MP, though that class has less animation lock and has a few more benefits for being in that state (more card draw due to more casts) the same principle applies.
I think Reflux is a really easy build for someone to start playing or to get into, but it's very taxing and stressful to pursue min/max damage on it.
@@Saintone That's the thing I'm getting at. Arcana has secondary benefits that make boundless MP an obvious boon (more card draw, low animation lock, more uptime on self-buffs that don't innately have 100% uptime). Igniter and FM SE have the boon of low cooldowns for meter generation skills between burst. Reflux has none of these things. I suspect we are all just paroting a goal for Reflux that doesn't reflect the reality of the class, and that being in one state vs the other is not a real dps loss or gain. Thus it shouldn't be as stressful as most people suggest.
If the data isn't out there I guess I'll just need to do more testing :)
Hi Saint, thank you for taking the Time.
i just want to be able to cast 2 meteors whenever i want instead opf having a 1 second window where the boss has a lethal attack and i have to choose between casting doomsday or dying
Thank you . I was looking for this .
I tried your build and my god, it feels awesome ! Every skill fits perfectly, comparing to esoteric its much much better :D
i dont even have a sorc and i loved watching this!
Thanks for the informative video, the cycle looks great and I'm considering trying it out but I worry that because I don't have the full lvl 10 gems page something will go wrong or wont feel right, do you perhaps know how viable this is at lower gem tiers or what the minimum gem requirements for the build realistically are?
Works fine with 9s. I have tried with 7s before but you won’t do Mana Addict - Boundless swap properly in the 2nd rotation. Might be gems problem or me problem because I was new to the tech at the time.
This build has lower gem dependencies than a build that uses Esoteric Reaction. You really only need a very high DD gem and that's it, which is standard anyways. But the higher the gems the less strict the Boundless timing will be of course since you won't give your MP as much time to recover.
Can you help me understand why you pick gravity instead of isoteric?
It has a lot shortest cooldown, allowing you to spam it almost twice as often if not more than esoteric reaction. Which is crucial in burning mana to enter the boundless mana recovery state. Also, inside the boundless mana recovery state, the cooldown of reverse gravity is 5-6s, which means you can use it 2-3 times before your doomsday come back up, which provides more meter generation than esoteric reaction (more casts, more meter).
I simply don't know which engravings to use, I pug all the content because my friends are too far behind and even so there is no critical synergy, should I replace CD with Adrenaline 3 in conjunction with Ether Predator 1? This doubt is killing me... KBW doesn't seem like a good idea if I can't achieve consistent synergy
What would you do in a world without critical synergy? Thank you very much for this video, it inspired me to continue sorc and change my default build!
Adrenaline 3 with EP 1 is an OK choice if you feel like your party composition will never be consistent.
I See you have squall to lvl 9, is it worth to push to lvl 10 for the 3rd tripod or would that be too much mana to handle?
No it's not! It only needs level 7. The two extra levels are just leftover skill points.
As a Sorc main who is usually Master Counterpuncher I would suggest to go for the Wiping Wind tripod (3rd row, second option) on Squall.
I think this build can afford to push Squall to lvl 10 and since Squall is already part of rotation even the damage increase is nice. But the range makes the Squall into one of the best counters in the game. I honestly never had an issue even before all the improvement to the skill and it's only getting better.
Otherwise thanks for making this video. Would love to see this type of content for any of your classes to be honest :)
Would you drop blaze to level 10 to get Squall to level 10 for the tripod? If that is the case, won't you lose too much damage considering that blaze does a decent amount of damage (that's why we have level 10 damage gem for blaze).
@@rokurosora2404 You also increase the amount of damage Squall does by up to 80% and you are using it in the rotation for this build anyway.
But honestly the utility and the big reach of this counter is just so nice for me that I don't want to give up on it.
Even if it results in slightly less dmg overall.
Of course take it from someone who is doing all the mechs and utility things as a Sorceress player.
If you aim for Cruel Fighter and taking Counter is an annoyance you're sometimes force to do. I may not be the best person for you to listen to. (Not aimed at you specifically, but at the mindset described).
@@_TomonI was just curious to know. I do plan on trying out this counter build for a bit to see how it feels.
HI!
I'm trying this build and I got a few questions/concerns.
Is this build recommended for alts? My Sorc is 1560 full lvl 7 Gems.
I was testing this build in trixion and I think that if you don't have lvl 10 CD Gems you can't really cicle that well.
Also, you're supposed to lose the dmg from the second DD right? At least, the dmg from the set. Seems weird since is Sorc strongest ability...
I tried this build again in Brel and didn't quite get the feeling of it.
Am I missing something?
It's challenging to play this build at the fully potency if you have lower level gems. The second Doomsday must benefit from either set effect, either Mana Addiction or Endless MP. Endless MP is preferred if the fight is longer.
@@Saintone Yeah I was thinking it's not the best build for an alt but idk, I think I will give it a few more practices in actual raids and see if I adapt to it.
Thanks for the reply!
thanks king.
Playing with Artist has always given me huge headaches trying to get into Boundless in time. Does being able to cast 2x Squall vs 1x Eso before the 2nd Doomsday make this significantly easier to deal with, or should I continue to dodge Artists?
You should be able to state cycle even in a party with an Artist if you cast Blaze and Squall early in your Igniter rotation (either before or immediately after Explo/PS). This build has very heavy mana dump.
@@Saintonesome artists throw their mana buff just before I enter boundless, which forces me to use the 2nd DD to trigger boundless. And as you said in the video, that's the worst case scenario. What will I do in that case? Do I just send the 2nd DD and trigger boundless in it? Or do I save it for the next cycle (but won't be able to enter boundless to charge build meter fast)?
I just cut a hm9/cd7 stone..... can you tell me what engravings should i use with that stone and what set.... hallu or nightmare set? i have only 1580 lvl... and will take some time until 40 elixir....so without elixir what is best?
I'm currently running nightmare with adrenaline 3 and ether predator 1 (no KBW or CD). Is that fine for this build or should I look to remake?
That sounds good to me.
my 1622.5 sorc is 564crit/1842spec/139swift almost like your setup but then im on grudge3/aoa3/hm3/ignite3/kwb3/adren1 halu build
where the squall counter cd is still considerably slow up time, is lv10 cd required to make this counter build normally? or is there a build that i can hold my counter until mech requires or it is part of the rotation set that needed as a meter gain skill?
You don't use a gem on Squall! But you do use it as part of meter generation. You should be able to get at least two casts of it for meter while building.
Would you like to see an overall rework of the Sorceress or do you think she just needs some more minor tweaks to "catch up" with current top performers?
I'd prefer a re-work and replacing a few skills that seldom see use to be honest. But this is a good placeholder for performance while waiting.
At what crit rate % would you say is a decent spot to swap back to nightmare? Reason being I run KBW (fuck cursed doll) but I don't have my 40 set yet so I've been wondering if it's possible to swap back to nightmare without elixirs. I'm currently running this build on hallu but with mana tripods on dd/explosion, the end goal is swapping back to nightmare
I was wondering the same thing
I think if you can get to ~80% or more crit chance, you can work with Nightmare (this is including two crit synergies). KBW technically overtakes Cursed Doll at 85% but there's other reasons to take KBW over Cursed Doll (combat AP buff efficiency, Atropine efficiency).
For fights where you don't get crit synergies, you just eat the loss.
@@Saintonewould it be worth to run KBW 3 with adrenaline 3 and hit master 1 instead of hit master 3 adrenaline 1? Since the more crit from adrenaline 3 will make KBW have more efficiency (trying to force KBW to be worth it in all cases, which is probably a bad idea)
I have a question about how you casting your skills. As a regular sorcerer player, I was using doomsday - frost call - AR all the time, and now when I'm trying to use doomsday with rime arrow, it simply doesn't works the same way like it work in your hands. So, the question is, how to do it correctly? I've seen that your rotation somehow feels overall way faster than mine. What am I missing of?
Some people have issues with this if they have quick cast on in the game options. But it's just a practice thing. It also won't work in Trixion if you don't simulate Yearning speed bonus (that's why I put on the Spirit Absorption Lv. 3 + Atk/Move Spd. Down Lv. 2, for simming).
Are you using legendary galewind in rime arrow? I only got it with this, purple doesnt fit for me withou spacebar. (but requires yearning buff anyway)
@@rguinucci ofc, maybe I just need more practice
i got a lil question outside the actual video, how did u manage the mana with reverse gravity on hallu? food?
Yeah, pretty much food (especially because I was using double burn tripods on Explo/DD).
Quick question: why choose Reverse Gravity over Esoteric Reaction
Cooldown!
Thank you for the insight, as it does bring some hope for the class overall.
Personally, it feels like the class got robbed of its identity as a heavy damage dealer. This build is to remedy the infamy sorc got over the time, and show it's capable of being quite useful to the raid and have a meaningful contribution to the clear, but for me it's not what she's supposed to be. In my eyes, she's supposed to be a ranged damage powerhouse who sacrifices mobility, tankiness and has casting main damage skills, but in return does really big numbers. Having to run a skill that is essentially a chaos dungeon skill or a defensive tool in pvp as one of the main meter-generating skills, which also puts you in melee range, is completely counter-intuitive to me, and sort of kills the fantasy.
Seeing classes like slayer or souleater doing what she is supposed to do but just better, feels like sorc is left behind for now.
It's something that works for now.
Can hope that later on, Sorceress is visited with a more proper overhaul.
Just did a voldis with a pug sorc who said they were trying this out. Destruction was great, stagger was adequate, and their damage was good. To top it off, they were stealing counters left and right. I've always liked taking igniters, and this build just makes them an even better pick.
Did you have two crit synergies though? Running NM is pretty bad without any.
We actually had no crit synergies, and they averaged between 50 and 55 percent crit rate. Comparing them to everyone in all my runs for the past 4 weeks, they fall directly in the middle of the pack. Comparing them only to me in that run, they were geared 16% better and in reality did 10% more damage than me. This isn't bad considering I generally match or beat people geared at about the same level as them. They performed better than the average pug.
Is it a requirement to have 40 elixir? I'm guessing it's only necessary if you run KBW instead of cursed doll right?
You have to eventually get 40 set elixir anyways. But elixirs are just particularly powerful on Nightmare set Sorceress due to the heavy value of crit on her.
Can you share the dyes for that skin? your sorc looks really pretty :3
ever tried full swiftness reflux with mana shield to stop mg regen fully when hit? maybe try it , you would be surprised how easy it is and i doubt the damage is lower than full crit.
Full Swiftness is too challenging to keep up with the cooldowns. Everything is too low and Reflux animations are too long causing constant cooldown traffic jams.
What rune would you use on the squall?
quick recharge or rage would be good
@@Lonehawk2k4 saw some people at loawa running blue wealth rune that's why I had doubts
@@nikosRuLLeR You can use blue wealth, to achieve easier... The teory of this build is good, but in real fight its another story, if you miss some reverse gravity I will not fill identity before DD comes on. So blue wealth in Squall can help you to fix some mistakes.
Is this build viable with lvl 7 gems and roughly 1700 spec? I want to try it but not sure if i need better gear to do so 😅
Hello, can I ask you about Hell Kakul-Saydon's Book of Witches' Harmony? Because I want to learn from you how to add points in Hell raid, thank you.
Oh, for Hell mode you would just not add extra points into Squall (keep it at 7 instead of 9). Everything else keep it the same as non-Hell build.
@@Saintone What you mean is that you can add points by referring to the skills you built for the witch in the previous issue and place them in Hell mode, right?
Do you recommand using instant cast on sorc?
Not gonna lie i only watch saintones stream casually and i thought he deleted his sorc a while ago around thaemine release
He deleted his summoner tho sadge😢😢
@@stop5730did he delete it or just remove from his top 6
Just moved @@rvfeen
You can do Doomsday Rime arrow Ignite with only a purple galewind on rime arrow. you can use the gold somewhere else.
This should do considerably less damage (>5%) than the esoteric variant.
You can, but there's no real point of doing it. The gold Galewind isn't more beneficial on Explosion or Punishing Strike than it is on Rime Arrow.
Esoteric + RG is still the highest ceiling build, but if you do that you need a fallback plan for fights that require or would greatly benefit from you having a counter.
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This build is in theory good in trixion, but it's hard to hit that rotation in any kind of real raid szenario.
Especially if u have a artist or summoner in ur team. You can't hit boundless if your sup isn't sleeping.
It's not that hard to do this rotation in real raid! The benefits of mostly ranged Hit Master. But you're right, it would be a struggle with a Summoner in the party. Fortunately, you don't want their synergy anyway.
i have only a artist in my party and in a real raid i almost never reach boundless in time,even tho i also use frostcall in igniter to burn my mana... really dont know how you do that with an artist that is not afk and play the raid
@@xitzehoeyou gotta do the ra+DD cast before ignite without two RA its hard to push into boundless if you start rotation at full mana and have artist in party, tho in theory it should be easier to go boundless before second DD with squall compared to ESO because squall gets casted twice before second DD.
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Just curious about Rime Arrow though, is it not gonna hurt our meter gen by not running Wealth and Enlighten on it?
It's not necessary for meter gen and it doesn't generate a great deal with QP tripod over Enlightenment.
@@Saintone Thanks mate, I just had the chance to confirm this on Trixion, will take a bit to get used to it but seems refreshing to play. Just one more question tho, for someone who has lvl 9 gems on just DD, which skill would you suggest using an extra lvl 9 CDR on? It's currently rolled to FC, wondering if it would be better to go for RG or RA perhaps? Thanks in advance!
@@wakonMG Either is fine, I think in your shoes I'd chuck it on RG since it'll be cast more often in general.
@@Saintone gotcha. Tyvm
if you didnt have that amount of swift, do you think you would be able to pull of doomsday + rime arrow igniter combo off even with the legendary galewind rune?
Even with no swiftness, you can do it with a lower rank Galewind and just Yearning. It's more insurance more than anything else. But if I had my choice I would just have crit on my bracelet.
@@Saintonejust borrowing this comments , but i was wondering if there was a trick for this combo , i tried to do it many time on trixion with more swift sa3, leg galewind but it always fail , dont know if it is ping issue (play around 175-187) , if it is , dont know if there is an alternative?
@@MegaCrow777 Just needs practice! Spam your Arcane Rupture key once the Rime Arrow is primed.
@@Saintone hey ! today i succeded trying a lot of things in trixion , it was an issue with the smart cast option(kinda sus to have to play without it now :/) , i removed it and this is working now, the issue with smartcast was when the casting of doomsday end , i couldnt RA anim-cancel right away and got stuck on the long anim (i also removed the spell screenshake option , things are more smooth)
@@MegaCrow777 That's good to hear. It's possible to animation cancel with smart cast on but the timing is pretty tight. Much more forgiving to play without it, which is what most Sorceress players do.
whats CD gem min requirement to comfortable sit in boundless. I often get out far before my i fill up my Z
That's normal. You need to exit Boundless MP and re-enter the other state for damage before your Z is ready. If your MP is still low and you're still in Boundless MP as your Z is filling up then you'll end up with a conundrum where you can't Ignite.
Hi Saint,
Can a lot of this translate to a Cast-Reflux build?
You still play cast reflux?
@@abirbinhabib7669 Let them play whatever build is the most fun for them.
@@scarlettlavey im asking cuz i used to play and i wanna know if its viable and what engravings they running along with stats
@abirbinhabib7669 Oh my bad then! Casting Reflux gets a lot of hate, I just assumed your comment was meant ironic! For all I know (idk if it helps) you run crit/swift (main crit, your damage depends heavily on criting) and AoA is a must. Apart from the standard Grudge and your class engraving of course, I assume you also go with Hit Master and Keen Blunt Weapon (since your main stat is crit). Your +1 is therefore Adrenaline. Regarding Set I'd say you go with Nightmare ^^
@@scarlettlavey ohh.. i used to play with the same stats and engravings.. i switched to instacrit cuz landing the casting skills was annyoing and i kept missing, also all out attack used to annoy me cuz you miss out on other engravings, i use same stats for instacast but still run doomsday lmao
Is Thaemine G2/G4 iffy for Igniter because of the time delay of Doomsday?
Erratic uncontrolled movement. For G2 Thaemine just the first section of the fight can sometimes be annoying (when he turns into a dragon it gets easier). G5/6 Thaemine his movements are a lot less predictable but there are some good windows to ignite on. G4 on the other hand is pretty good the entire way through.
@@SaintoneThank you for the response!
Why not take Rule Enhancement for frost call? That would burn far more mana and give lower cooldown too
It's not a bad idea. Technically, the meter gen is even better with that tripod, however it's one of your biggest meter gen skills and that tripod makes it take 5 seconds to build meter instead of just the 2, which can be a little challenging to make use of. It's definitely a decent choice though (there's a compelling argument that if the boss is standing still for Reverse Gravity anyways that tripod on FC would be hitting as well).
I tried it out for a while and there were just a few hiccup moments where I wished the FC meter was just quicker rather than spread across 5 seconds.
could you look at a domi control glave buils im trying to make one but im 1560 cant get new elixers. enjoyed this buil brackdown
Sorry, I don't play that class.
Hi Saintone. I'm trying out the other meta counter sorc build (extra damage gem on FC with it being level 12, with squall at 4, and blaze at 11 with no CD gem).
I'm guessing it has a higher potential damage output but it is less forgiving in rotation to enter boundless state. Also I can't really find any information but I'm guessing you cancel first DD with FC instead of RA?
Any thoughts on one build vs the other?
It's not a bad idea but it has tighter timing. Frost Call on its own doesn't do bad damage, but the damage it deals is kinda bad for how long the cooldown is. It's also as you say, harder to enter Boundless MP with since Squall will cost much less mana and Frost Call will just cost a little more with less casts.
I think it complicates things a bit more without necessarily yielding notably more damage, but it does work if you want to play it that way.
I understand the stream being 720p but also the videos?
I forgot to change my recording settings off 936p and there's no option for 936p on RUclips so I guess it downscaled to 720p. I'll try to remember next time.
@@Saintone ❤️ all good
how you canceled meteor animation??
As a bard I have to keep 4 sets of builds ready to switch between gates.
is there any other class that loses dps to have a counter ?
Can you run the same build but with hallucination (with mp tripods on DD/explosion)?
You can. You won't get more cycles but this build should be able to fill identity before DD cooldown elapses.
It's what I've been doing till I get my 40 set, then I'm swapping to nightmare
can this build work without KBW and Cursed Doll Instead? D:
It works with Cursed Doll, yes.
cool video, i'll just drop blaze instead, its not about clearing, its about sending a message
Wait that affects your damage too.
@@Saintone its ok having eso will make it so i lose less dmg while my team loses more (free mvp hack)
have u tried to change blaze rune to quick recharge, if u can somehow proc it 2 times u doomsday while u still have half of the arcane rupture (wtf broken?!??) its basically sorc rework for free( u only lose like 2-3% dmg who cares just think about it as missing 1 doomsday xpp) i swear its the goat
It's too hard to give up Bleed rune.
u cant beat surge without some sacrifices...(u still cant)
Why not higher than level 9 on Squall though? Too much mana cost then?
Out of skill points.
how much of a priority is lvl 9 squal over lvl 12 other skills
There's nothing else to really raise besides for FC which we don't really need to raise anyway since the main purpose of it is meter generation.
@@Saintone sorry i should have worded it better, I was more wondering if the mana cost increase on squall by bringing it to lvl 9 was important enough to justify lowering a skill to lvl 11 due to lack of skill points or is it ok to leave squall at 7
@@desuvult8463 It's not that important no. Having it just helps with state cycling but you should be able to make it work fine with level 7 Squall.
@saintone pls sir Lore Ark needs to continue im struggling for the truth 😢
I don't get why smilegate thinks this a good state the sorc is in right now. I started maining sorc when the game released and switched away from her because compared to other classes this class is just significantly harder to play if you want to make viable dmg.
I have to watch my mana state due to nightmare, have to get the skill timing right to be able to do animation cancels, getting rim arrow off after casting doomsday into arcane rupture is also not easy to hit consistently, having to learn the boss movements rigorously to predict the movements of the boss 2 seconds into the future and after doing all this effort my dmg is still worse than that of another class with which I can turn my brain off and just smash buttons because it neither has any of this nuisance nor does it have mana to watch out for.
In my opinion sorc should be a class that has okay dmg when you don't put in all this effort and S tier dmg when you are able to consistently pull this off because putting in all this effort should definitely be more rewarding.
My static didn't even allow me to use my sorc for new bosses anymore after kayangle came out. I missed most of my skills on the boss since we didn't know anything about their movements. My mate is using a dps meter, I only did 10% dmg on the boss in kaya and I also just felt really bad playing sorc against them because I know I missed alot of my skills. I switched to my berserker with worse gear and immediately did 30% dmg on the boss. Afterwards I basically had to switch my main because of it.
I still stand strong that Kayangel is the worst raid for igniter sorc. There is a way around it for most gates, but the bosses have a lot of random teleports/dashes that makes it very easy to miss.
You are absolutely correct. There's so much effort to do a "ok damage"...
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I play this build atm and I'm not sure about it , but it's mainly because I'm playing with artist and wardancer in a static, so I'm constantly trying to reach endless mp while this MF gives always mp xD and always the fi WD roc hits when my ignite ends...the hallu was perfect no mp or crit probs now it's always a hit or miss...
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Halloween pet!
Nah I'd win.
This game is still alive ?
I'm surprised
Is it because t&l, bp, ts and so on aren't released yet ? What's the final nail in the coffin ?
can you make a vid about hallu build, i accident make a andre 10/kbw 6 stone so hallu is the only way to build now T_T
There is nothing wrong with running that stone with Nightmare.
@@Saintone oh really? i always think it will be lack of crit rate when using kbw since i were not have elixir set. thank bro, im gonna test it
@@achimouwu1503 Here is Saint's cmt above if you haven't seen it
"Hello. Barring anything else, ideally you have:
25% from crit stat (spec+crit bracelet)
25% from Igniter
5-15% from Adrenaline (the more the better, 9/7 stone or just use Adrenaline core)
7% Master elixir
20% synergy
This should edge out Cursed Doll. As explained in the video, you'll have sub-Cursed Doll efficacy if you don't have crit synergies.
Besides for that, there's an important note that fights that feature AP-related buffs are additive with engravings. So, Gargadeth's 40% buff, the buff from the next guardian Veskal, Voldis Gate 3 fire buff, and Thaemine G6 80% buff will diminish the effect of the AP from Cursed Doll, Increased Mass, Ether Predator, and even the 2-6% from Adrenaline. The 80% buff from Thaemine in particular is important and means classes that use Increased Mass and Cursed Doll don't get as much power from this buff. Atropine is also additive to this and it means using KBW gives you better Atropine efficiency which is important on burst classes like Sorceress."
melee sorc nice ahaha, more melee than scythe, no god pls no
Updated findings post-patch when :333
Besides delayed explosion is there any other build that's comparable in dps? F.e. Delayed Esoteric instead or something