The Conservator, The Apprentice, and The Problem Part 2
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The arrival of a large, complicated and possibly important painting to the studio was a perfect opportunity to introduce a young conservation apprentice to the highs and lows of working with problematic paintings.
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Guys, i know how he looks so young... Every couple of months, he faces himself in washi kozo, under some weights with felt in between. Repairs any structural damage that comes with age, then removes the facing, cleans his face, removes and works on new retouching. The trick to look flawless comes with the way he applies the varnish, more of that on his youtube channel...
There cant be any other way Julian, looking in his late twenties, has 25+ years in the business...
Also, great video, cant wait for the next!
Perfect deduction!
Also, he sprays the varnish on himself from a slight distance; so that it starts to dry in mid-air. It leaves a really nice finish.
@@Stevesk0011 the crystals make it more matte than shiny but leave a nice glint
Damn good thing I’d finished my coffee, otherwise i’d be in the market for a new keyboard… :D
This made me laugh. Thank you.
God, this adaptation of the mentorship arc is going so well. Julian’s finally talking about his dad! It’s just how I remembered it in the manga. I can’t wait for the phantom canvas arc!
🤣
you totally win this comment section XD
Let's just hope Netflix doesn't get ahold of it. 😱
LMAOOOOO
Conservator x Conservator
Julian: Kit is going to design our next website
Kit: EXCUSE ME WHAT
That slow turn-around had the best comedic timing ever xDDD
That look. We all know THAT look. O_O
😂
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👁👄👁 design a what now?
I for one enjoy when Julien has someone else to talk to. He's still talking to us, but it's more dynamic than just reading the script. Don't get me wrong, I like the solo Julien content (it goes great with my Cheeto dust lifestyle) but it's nice to see how he teaches.
Keep it up Kit; you're on the road to greatness!
Watch out for that trace amounts of Cheetle lolol.
He has always been great but yes this has added something, maybe even more details that we were not able to see before? :-)
I was about to comment the same! I like seeing this working relationship - knowledge shared, the bit of competition, the delegating
I cam here to say this - the dynamic of the channel has changed, but without losing any of its charm. Love it.
And honestly i am so happy for her. Think about having all this material to refer back if she ever has to recall some less used tricks or techniques
Me: Let's go to the art museum on our next date.
Husband: Sounds good.
M: I want to look for bad conservation jobs on the paintings.
H: Do what now?
Haha, that sounds really fun actually 😅
This is me now, going to museum and analyze paintings from conservation point of view just because I like to see Julian's video. Or I like doing church crawling here in France and you can find a lot of old paintings which need to be clean and restore.
YOOOO this is such a mood, tho!!!
After watching Julian, it really makes me realize just how dirty the Mona Lisa is
lol
I definitely agree with the romanticized idea of conservation. Your channel helped me realize that I SHOULDN'T go into conservation. I'm going to school for librarianship now, but our department also has a lot of archival and conservation classes. After taking an archives class and watching your videos, I realized that the monotony of both fields would kill me if I decided to pursue them. You're absolutely right - sometimes you need to just work in that field for a little bit before you realize if it's for you or not.
I've been watching these videos for a while now and (I don't think I'm alone in feeling this way) I often get the sense that I know how to conserve a painting now. Thankfully I'm self-aware enough to know that while I know the *theory*, it's very very different in practice and I don't have the patience or steady hands enough for it!
Wow, thats so intresting! For me it had the compleet opposite effect. Knowing what the field of conservation truely looks like gave me the insperation to accually persue it. And that i didn't have the desire as much to persue other career options i had laying in front of me. Currently working my way up to Uni, so that i can study conservation and restoration in Antwerpen :)
I'm on librarianship as well and started internship in a library of rare works and I'm just dying to have any type of class in the conservation section here, it's not my main interest but I thought if I'm already learning about rare books I should also have a closer idea of the conservation part🤭
My nephew is a librarian, I didn’t realise how much they can earn or at least how much academic librarians can earn in the U.K.
@@markharrisllb Bog standard librarians in the UK will probably earn nothing. At least where I live, all the librarians are volunteers.
I feel like Kit represents all of us, asking the questions we ask ourselves as we watch.
@@fclp67 harsh
Rather like the Companions on Doctor Who.
And all the time I‘m thinking how many of these questions are actually her own and how many are just FAQ thrown into the script
@@vewo234 true, but the idea behind an her role right now is to have things reinforced. So even if it's added, it has purpose :) .
@@thomasandrews9355 I totally understand that it is adding value either way, but a little differentiation between her own questions and FAQ wouldn‘t hurt in my opinion and might make it even more interesting and authentic to follow her personal learning experience.
I however understand as well, that this format makes it a lot easier for Kit to throw in a question that might feel out-of-place.
Is there a video on the channel that explains/shows how much of the videos is actually scripted? I don‘t think there is.
I love how respectful you are of Kit. When you start to learn a profession you lack the knowledge and the finesse, but not the intelligence or the ability to learn it. Doing menial tasks helps you understand and feel the subject matter. This is not something to look down on, but in contrast something to appreciate, which you do. I love the apprentice arc
The important ting to notice here is that there are no menial task, just less glorious ones. Scraping off the glue is a delicate process, just like everything else. They are working as a team, this is not a head chef telling the sous chef to peal the potatoes thing.
The logistics of doing this solo, even regarding something as mundane as unrolling and measuring the PET film with a measuring tape, is something I can't even fathom. It takes high levels of self reliance, but at the same time, how long can one person's arms really be? I'm glad Kit and Julian are both getting something valuable out of this apprenticeship. Love to see it.
When you know what you like and like what you do, you know exactly how much tape is on the roll and exactly when more is needed.
Washikoso, the duct tape of art restoration.
I get the feeling that having an apprentice is becoming so convenient that Kit won't be the last or only one you have. Thoroughly enjoying watching you teach.
The fabric is called ticking. It is likely cotton or linen and woven tightly enough to be used as covers for feather pillows and mattress covers. The feathers usually didn't escape. I recognized it because of the striped pattern on the back of the painting.
I knew I recognized it! I grew up with a striped feather pillow that was very similar.
Looks like linen to me. Wishing i could do a burn test or at least look at it under a lens!
Kit: stab stab
Julian: moves away
you guys are hilarious!
Yeah, that was adorable! x3 Like a dad and his adult daughter goofing around lightly before getting back to work.
I now absolutely want to see a Baumgartner work apron that says STAB STAB.
@@mcjohn5420 Seconded. But... scalpel or pallet knife?
@@mcjohn5420 That would be absolutely hilarious... not sure it would convey confidence to the clientele, though.
@@Cernumospete Yes
This is much better than the livestream where we kept distracting him from cleaning the painting and kept repeating the statement: "there's something wrong with the audio!" ... much better to have an appropriate novice coming with some solid questions... helps the video's narrative better
Oh poor Julian and that livestream!
Also, conservation and live-streaming are diametrically opposed. Conservation requires meticulous attention to details only privy to you and other conservators, and live-streaming is distracting, go-with-the-flow, and assumes a rude crowd of unappreciative, meming masses. It was impossible for a conservator to host a good livestream given he is also a RUclipsr.
Lol that sounds hilarious actually 😂
I've heard somehere a term "load-bearing solder" and "structural washi kozo" has exactly the same unsettling feel to it
beautiful
Organ pipes basically ARE load-bearing solder.
Underappreciated comment lol
Load bearing solder lmfao amazing
I could never be an art conservator but I’m happy enough living vicariously through Kit
2:30 As a hobby machinist, I enjoyed the discussion on "What to do next." In machining, this is called "order of operations." Machining a work piece almost always involves multiple operations, lathe turning, milling, drilling, etc. Doing these operations in one order may facilitate later operations, while doing these operations in a different order may make later operations either more difficult, or even impossible.
I learned machining for a few years, the number of times I wished I could time travel to slap myself and suggest the very obvious in hindsight order of operation to complete the project...
@@Soken50 There's nothing worse than having to scrap a part after you realize that, in machining a feature to dimension too early, you machined away extra material that was critical for work holding on a later operation. As Julian says, "Ask me how I know. No, don't."
Nice connection!
love how confident kit is! he asked about having a scalpel to a painting this early and she was just like “nah this seems about time”
It's nice to see the difference between pupil and master here.
Julien keeping his arms off the canvas and the smoother scraping through that.
Or how he directs/holds in line the scalpells knife. It gets him far more fine control.
The only thing that concerns me is actually that he stresses his back too much working in that position.
Would a lift on the table help?
I was thinking that, the tables really should be higher (or adjustable, or they should sit most of the time)
I remember pictures of city designers laying on horizontal, adjustable planks to draw giant blueprints. Maybe he needs something like that? Kind of like the thing you use for getting underneath a car but then exactly the opposite.
The machine he made has a lift, surprised other tables dont have a lift.
Oh boy how much I wanted Kit to just suddenly yell "OH MY GOD NO!" just to scare Julien for a gag.
That would be magical ...
I hate practical jokes. Scaring someone is not funny, especially if they are doing delicate work!
It's so nice to see a younger person being enthusiastic about conservation! Also, now Julian knows programming and coding too, there's nothing he cannot do😂
How you guys talk about zoning into the work and listening to the canvas is exactly how I’d describe working as a Licensed Massage Therapist. You’ve got to be able to fall into that rhythm of what you love to do for a living.
The amount of knowledge and skill being transferred to the next generation just boggles my mind! Your father's skill had to have been extraordinary, and yet the technological advances in conservation materials and their application means your skill is beyond extraordinary ... I can't even fathom where Kit's skill will be some day when it's time for her to begin training her apprentice. Thank you for taking us on your journeys. ❤️👏🏻❤️
The master and the young grasshopper are back!
"The Master and the young grasshopper😄 Nice" TV series Kung Fu in Germany 27 September 1975👍🏼
"When you can take the washi-koso from my hand, it will be time for you to leave."
LMFAOOO 💀💀
I love that the canvas is patterned. Makes me think it was probably woven for a completely different purpose
As far as I can tell it's herringbone mattress ticking. Most mattress ticking is striped :)
Call it what you will: mentoring, teaching, apprentice, etc, passing skills on to the next person or people is the glue that holds mankind together. Experience can be gained the hard way in some trades, but when your dealing with someone's treasure, mistakes can hardly be made. This will be fun to watch moving on.
Please tell us about Kit and her background in art if she has one. She seams to be a smart cookie.
I like what Kit was saying about the flow state: zoning in. I'm glad to see the skills being passed on.
Seeing how strong the washi kozo on the face of the painting soothes the anxiety I had about it being used on the back. I recognize, of course, that Julian is a professional with decades of experience. It's just that wee voice of anxiety that won't shut up!
There's a barefoot company in Europe, Wildling, that makes shoes out of washi. They're amazing! Washi is an incredible material.
The response to Kit's presence seems like a big success to me, glancing at the comments. I like her, and Julian, you are an awesome mentor!
Dynamic duo!
Delighted and relieved that Julian is teaching someone his art. This is the sort of thing that requires practice while learning. Julian clearly has a depth of knowledge and skill that the world cannot afford to lose. Apprenticeship is the way to preserve it for the future.
I misheard Julian saying "kid" during the entire video and because of the apprenticeship thing it just felt right lol
I love that this painting was done on ticking fabric. Something about it just seems so, like, bootleg. Whoever the artist was, be it Murillo or someone else, they were very resourceful.
This intrigued me so much that I decided to have a bit of a read through some of the academic literature on historical canvases and ticking fabric. There are historical examples of ticking fabric being mentioned in painting commissions from Spain as far back as the 1400s, and it seems to have been common practise throughout Germany, Denmark, Italy, France & Croatia throughout at least the 15th - 18th centuries. The main reasons given for using ticking (written in surviving commission documents from Italy and Spain) was the ability to paint large paintings without any seams, so it's kind of interesting that this painting has a seam anyway.
Is the lining a twill weave? That happened sometimes and normally means the canvas was not a painters canvas. Please document that carefully, before glueing a new canvas on. Also loom width if you can see it. I am an acient textile scholar and very much interested in unusual canvases on paintings.
I am. A fan of your videos. .
Maybe you should email him? This feels important enough not to leave to chance.
Yep, obviously a twill weave, and not a single color, either. It was striped!
It looks like a found piece of cloth, something the painter could get quickly and cheaply. Looks like mattress ticking to me, not sure if that was a thing that long ago.
It looks like cotton ticking.
@@gl15col I've been thinking the same thing- afaik, ticking as we know it today was around in the 18th c
Conservation is such a good example of tackling a giant challenge by breaking it down into small subtasks. A skill we can all use.
I had no idea anyone, anywhere, still did apprenticeships. Happy to see they are still available, and a little jealous that I missed that boat!
weird thing to assume, did you not receive an advanced education? apprenticeships are still very much the norm
@@hornedgoatweed I went to college, if that's what you are asking.
Almost every gunsmith, custom gunmaker, custom gun engraver and gun designer goes through an apprenticeship. Sometimes with multiple smiths.
aren't apprenticeships super commonplace in all fields of practical work (arts, construction, service, it etc.) all over the world? In Europe they are, and as far as I know the US has a similar system, no?
@@stevenicholas5651 Those kinds of careers - personally I was very much drawn to the art of watchmaking - were never presented to me in any capacity when I was a student. I can appreciate, now, that there are some professions which are both steeped in history, and immersed in modernity.
This comment is not relevant to the work being done, but I am curious when Julien will give us an update of what's going on with the Porsche in the background? How is that going, or is it going at all? Is he doing all the work or is he going to have it done?
Will the interior be done in heavier or lighter Washi Kozo? Again, just curious
In the studio tour video he introduces us to the Porsche but also says he won’t be talking about it ever again :(
It will be all Belgian linen, held to the seats with tacks.
The heavy washi kozo will be just temporary to provide stability to the Porsche while we work on it
I did an apprenticeship 30 years ago and although it seemed tough at the time the foundation it gave me still resonates today, I would absolutely not be the successful businessmen I am today without that apprenticeship.
Honestly Kit is amazing on screen! I really like the bond you two have made. Julian is a kind yet strong instructor, and Kit is an intelligent apprentice willing to learn while thinking for herself.
As a side note, this is the first painting to give me anxiety. It is just so huge! I'm glad Julian has 2 extra skilled hands to help!
I am absolutely loving this series. Kit obviously has a real aptitude and love for conservation and it’s really nice to hear your conversations and see you work together.
I'm sure I'm the only one that feels this way but I'm also happy you have an apprentice because sometimes you seem so lonely at work. I know u have a wife and kiddos but it's always nice to share your passion (and reduntant) work with someone. Like your father used to do with you... You sir, are an absolute master of your craft 🙌 Not only are you conserving art, but also the art of conserving!
The Jedi master and his Padawan. A great pleasure to watch!
She really has the perfect personality for Julian’s apprentice and I sure she’s super smart as well. I’m so glad this happened! 💕🐝💕🇺🇸
I just love how he’s teaching her, he has so much passion to share
I understand what Kit means about zoning in on a particular task for hours. You become so focused, everything, Including time, just falls away. It’s a terrific feeling. Very calming. Your mind gets very quiet.
Julian: I was mesmerized watching the two of you working. Both of you seem to be a good match. Kit had to be in the “A” category to be selected to work with you. I absolutely love seeing both of you conserve an art piece. A special treat for me. Carol from California
I love her description of doing this job. It's precisely how I feel doing the data work I do. Most people hate it, find it tedious & boring. She gave the most accurate description I've ever heard.
i love the new format, it's a nice change of scenery if you will. I'm sure Kit will become a great conservator, she seems very perceptive - but I also think that she will be a nice addition to your future videos, provided she wants to become a more active part of the formats. So far she represents the viewer's POV mostly, more asking questions than answering them, but I'm sure this will change as she becomes more comfortable in front of the camera and in her skills.
She has a good teacher!
This is the first painting with a seam that I've seen you work on. It does present some unusual dilemmas and questions. I totally agree with you that there is this romanticized myth about restoration work, I think focusing mostly on the retouching, and ignoring all the other just dull, boring, backbreaking labor that must come before that. Kit is looking to be a good apprentice, and is definitely helpful when dealing with a painting of this size.
That’s how you recognise the real pro on an unequalled level: being able to do the most intricate job whilst still be able to explain, make jokes, tell anecdotes etc etc.
Who else is dying to watch the cleaning process? We get glimpses of how this masterpiece will look as it's being moved and the angle of light changes. While I love to watch the entire process, I can't wait to see the finished piece!
It's amazing how often your fingers are the best tools for delicacy and precision, whether to gently buff away filler or compare the replacement canvas to the original.
Oh yes, this looks like ancient mayress ticking, nicely striped. I hope you take very detailed photos of it before covering up. They would help those of us interested in fabrics used in interiors a lot.
This show keeps getting better and better. I wasn’t sold on adding an audience stand-in character this late in the series but she really works!
Your apprentice did such a good work! I hope seeing her more times on the channel on different projects :)
If your scalpel blades are individually packaged, you ought to mount them while the sharp end is still in the package. Unwrap the dull end with the slots for attatching it, mount the blade on the handle, and then remove the rest of the wraper when you're ready to use the scalpel. That's how we do it in dentistry to try and avoid cutting ourselves while mounting the blade. You can also keep the wrapper as a sheath for when you're not using the scalpel as a safety measure.
As a (non-professional) teacher myself, it's great to see a student that actually WANTS to learn, and see a teacher that understands the need, and has the ability to probe and adjust to the student's way of thinking and learning.
Kit's explanation of why she's into conservation is why I'm so interested in it. I too like having something to "zone in" on. I know scraping is not your favorite Julian, but I find it so satisfying (at least as a viewer lol). My main hang up is that my anxiety is so bad. I'd be scared to mess up a painting, but I do love the ritual of conservation.
Petition for Kit to be in every single video going forward. This is such a refreshing new element, and maybe one of the best series' on the platform right now.
I am loving the apprentice episodes so far! It really helps give the audience more clarity hearing you explain all your wisdom over time to a "fresh" set of hands, and seeing it all come through. Looking forward to more vids with you and Kit.
I'm so glad Julian has company! These are fun episodes. Looks so nice to share some of the load of all that scraping
i love the enzyme cleaner so much b/c it actually looks like its getting a good soapy foamy washing!
It's so weird to me, that looks exactly like the canvas covering the box springs we took out of my grandmother's house when she died in the 90s.
God knows how old they were then.
It looks like this fabric wasn't meant for painting. I hope Julian documents it somehow or contacts a textile historian
As far as I can tell it's herringbone mattress ticking. Most mattress ticking is striped :)
I love the dynamic between you and Kit, you can tell that she adds some fun to your day. Keep up the great work!!
This is slooow TV! In Norway, there’s been hugely successful series following the Oslo-Bergen railway line (≈6 hours) minute by minute, the "Hurtigruta" (The Norway Coastal Express), ≈ a weeks jorney or so, minute by minute. This is basically the same concept. And it’s sooooooo addictive and sooooo slow! I can’t take my eyes off it!
I thought you were a magician before, now you’ve got a lovely assistant it only confirms it! 😂🤣
The mark of a true professional
. Mentorship and teaching!
I really enjoy the dynamic that master and apprentice have! Lots of love and stay safe and thanks so much for sharing!
You're interrupting my binge-watching your channel with all these new uploads hehe I can't wait for part 3!
I definitely enjoy the dynamic of Julien + Kit, she's cool and I like having him explain what's going on to someone in-house.
I love seeing niche, valuable knowledge passed on. Watching someone learn the process adds another satisfying layer to these videos
Every time a new video comes out, it feels like birthday present... I'm seriously addicted :)
Julian, I found your channel recently and can’t stop watching. I love watching a craftsman do excellent work. Yet I keep being surprised at how much of a renaissance man you are. Woodworking, making a website from scratch, and don’t think we haven’t noticed your project car. Can’t wait to see what you do next.
It is so much fun to watch him actually talk and explain to another person instead of just doing voice over. It is also nice to have such a beautiful and eager to learn individual as Kit. I do hope that Kit will become a regular for some more videos in the future
24:37 THE SLIIIIIIIDE. It's just as satisfying to watch as it is to feel when I'm cutting wrapping paper and the cutter just sliiiiiiiiiides...
Your two competitions were just adorable. It makes sense that you won the part that require precision first and speed second, while Kit won the "rip shreds of washi kozo". As you said, Kit has the precision and speed comes with lots more experience.
The Conservator and the Apprentice, almost like the Song/Tune of the Piper and the Maker - This is just pure enjoyment to watch you! Vielen Dank.
2nd time I have been there since the beginning
I'm really I really like your channel and I really want to watch more I really want to you to make more videos I really like these videos so I really want you to make some more and keep the RUclips channel going and I watched them at night this was at like 10 10 at night bye I really want to be on your RUclips channel
the hot table reminds me of the dry mount machine we use in framing 🙂 i'd much prefer this version to be able to better see and control the outcome😄
Julian is an awesome teacher! I enjoy seeing his interactions with Kit
Watching this series makes me wonder why and how anyone would do this job on their own! It seems so valuable to have a helpful and knowledgeable assistant to work with-especially one as cool as Kit. It feels almost impossible to imagine handling a painting this big alone
julian and kit back at it again!
Who is kit?
@@thescientific7284 the apprentice, she's learning the art and techniques of conversation in the studio since the first part to this video
@@lazari4469 thanks!
That is a fantastic story transition into the ad, very well done. 👏
Loving seeing Kit and you teaching
i am living vicariously through Kit right now wishing i had such a cool job LOLL emotionally invested in her accomplishing her dreams 💕🎨 Go Kit !!!!!
The apprenticeship program is such an amazing concept. Your channel has been valuable in getting people excited about conservation, and you’ve been an incredible educator. Passing on this kind of knowledge is what great artisans and artists do, and it’ll be part of your legacy. Well done.
I'm the same as Kit in that I love doing detailed small manual work, it's my fave part of making collages and I'd love being a conservator assistant to just help with all that.
I am thinking that Baumgartner is very glad to have the help on this huge canvas and the companionship too.
as a tradesman myself, I really enjoy seeing you pass on your skillset to the future generation! well done and thank you!
Kit is asking the questions I would love to know the answers to. I'm loving this mentor/apprentice dynamic.
Julian, Kit needs her own apron.
She earns her apron like a badge of honor when the apprenticeship is complete
I love to see how the scalpel bends as you work. It's part of the technique, and not obvious as you describe scraping :-).
I love watching Julian teaching!!! He’s definitely more interesting than some of my old professors!!!
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I love this apprenticeship story so much. It's like bringing the old ways of master and apprentice from the time the art piece was created in a modern day workshop.
He seems like such a good, patient teacher.
Been waiting for this episode since the first one came out!! ☺️
Ah, time. The old prankster. Imagine if you could have the last one first, that would be a real treat.
Kits sweater is sooo cute at the beginning, love those sleeves
Thank you for letting us eavesdrop on your work, Kit it is a pleasure to see you get your hands dirty, so to speak. I thoroughly enjoy watching your videos and feel that I have learnt something. Regards from England.
I know you are really glad Kit is helping you with this large painting. I can't imagine just one person doing some of the things you have had to do. Can't wait for part 3.
Kit, we enjoy watching y’all scraping
Lol Kit's expression when you said she was gonna build the next website was hilarious 🤣🤣