THE SIDE NOTE - This video was really interesting to make as Car & Driver and Consumer Reports really don't see eye-to-eye...at all...at least when it comes to Sub-Compact SUVs. As you saw in the video, sometimes they were relatively close in their videos but more often...overall...their lists reflect different versions of reality. Which list is "right" in your eyes? What would be your Top 5?
I drive a 2022 Kona Limited -- the 2023 version was recalled twice; my model year was never recalled. The low ratings for Kona are for the base engine, not the 1.6 turbo that I drive (but the DCT is annoying at times). I'm interested to see how CR rates the redesigned 2024 Kona, with it's bigger trunk and overall dimensions. And yes, the 2023 Kona EV was a "dog" so let's see how the new Kona EV is rated.
They don't see eye-to-eye because consumer reports is biased. They are not a factual review company. They take sponsorship money and that's where the review goes to.
The main difference is reliability. When I look at vehicles I check Consumers Reports instead of Car & Driver. The fact that C&D has a VW in the first 5 spots says a lot.
I feel bad for you. Trusting consumer reports. They are the most biased review company there is. They don't use fax. They use sponsorship money come up with their ratings
One is beholden to advertisers, the other does not. CR actually buy every car they test in their facility. CR also don’t let car makers edit their review.
In my mind, if it isn't AWD, it isn't an SUV. I like sub-compacts but I live near the Sierras and they won't even let non-AWD's drive through the passes in shaky weather so they are non-starters for me.
Had one of these on rental in the USA, very impressed, everything as described here, 56mpg in 3,900 miles driving Very quiet and smooth. Thinking of buying one now.
@@NoName-vq3zo Not really a subjective test as I only had it on rental for 21 days . Had a friend in Denver who had a Toyota Camry with 325,000 miles on it when he gave it his son for college. That had a non-interference engine in it, so if the timing belt snapped it did no damage, and you simply but a new belt on it.
I've commented on other videos by you. This is the latest? 2 months ago. You need to realize that the dealer location etc. is very important. Doesn't every car have problems that only the dealer can solve? In my experience, when we take our vehicle to a local repair shop, they often don't really know the vehicle and MUST refer to the manual. The dealer repairman may be familiar enough that he knows the repair by heart and will take less time to get your car back to you. It don't matter if a Toyota or Subaru is the best car if the dealer is 50 miles away. And who cares what CR says. All they are is recording responses from their subscribers. Not exactly a cross section of all drivers. I could say the same for the magazines. The NTSA is more reliable. So include their findings. I hope this is helpful
Agree as a CR subscriber for many years. Used vehicles are rated by subscriber surveys, but new modes are put through the ringer at the CR test track so it's not the same.
This report shows that NO agency can agree with another as they all are "experts" I have read a number of them reviewing the same cars and everyone has a different 1-10 list. My recommendation is to make your own decision based on how you relate to each particular vehicle when after sitting in and driving them. Does one of them work for you.
I agree with consumer report on picking the Subaru cross trek as their #1 pick. Thousands of Americans also agree because Subaru sells over 150 thousand of these tough little SUV’s. Now as far as car and driver we can always agree to disagree but it’s strange the Subaru doesn’t even make their list. What are they thinking? The Mazda is very cramped plus it’s not even fair to compare Mazda AWD with Subaru’s symmetrical AWD.
I was the proud owner of a 2015 Kia Forte coupe right up to the point that after owning it all of one year, it caught on fire on the side of the 101 freeway and burnt to the ground. And if your Kia or Hyundai hasn't yet caught fire, don't park it in your garage or carport because it still may and then it's going to take your house with it😂 10:09
The 2 mags have completely different missions. A great driving car is going to he high on C&D's list. A great driving car that has massive reliability problems won't be on CR's. That said, this was an interesting and useful comparison, and thanks - would like to see more of this sort of thing...
Cx 30 is much better thar CR mentioned. For , CR has no credibility. CR kept recommending Subaru even though the engines had head gasket problems. They did this for years. Not sure what there relationship with Subaru is? Subaru also has CVT and oil consumption problems. CR should stick to appliances 😂
well for us that have a Crosstrek, it is completely trouble free and those gasket problems have been largely solved. The Mazdas are indeed reliable, but they always compromise interior space and in the case of the CX-30, rear suspension quality.
Yes, real people that drive real vehicles. Therefore, much more accurate information. Consumer reports doesn't use any stats other than what a few other companies post up. They're positive reviews go towards where the money comes from. Educate yourself kid
To be fair, it's a small window of models. Considering Ford, GM and Toyota own the largest number of recalls in the last 20 years, I would think those would be more of a concern
I have a cx30 and I love it and I don't think they no what there talking about I get my 3 20 year old kids in the back I have plenty of room and so do they really don't know if they really really tested it
nope, they have tested it, as well as the rest of us, and the rear seat is terribly cramped and dark compared to the rest of the segment. I am 5' 10" and my knees press hard against the front seat when it is in my driving position.
@victorteran9766 well you must have longer legs then me iam 5.10 and I sit in the back seat after setting the front seat for myself and I have enough room in the back that my knees don't touch the back of the front seat
Yes and just like the Bible, it's a book of fiction. Sears results are pointless as they base them on sponsorship money not actual reviews. You need to educate yourself
Consumer reports is not a highly respected company. They used to be until they started focusing on who gives the money. They're a bias review company now.
That sounds more like your personal opinion, which is horrible, because it's definitely not sales rankings. The list that it's not even funny. And even though I'm not a fan of the company, Honda is actually top sales. You need to educate yourself, do a little bit of fact checking past Wikipedia next time kid
Love how compact vehicles are now called subcompact in the US/CAN market, while the true subcompact segment have all basically disappeared. Have people gotten that fat/obese?
THE SIDE NOTE - This video was really interesting to make as Car & Driver and Consumer Reports really don't see eye-to-eye...at all...at least when it comes to Sub-Compact SUVs. As you saw in the video, sometimes they were relatively close in their videos but more often...overall...their lists reflect different versions of reality. Which list is "right" in your eyes? What would be your Top 5?
I drive a 2022 Kona Limited -- the 2023 version was recalled twice; my model year was never recalled. The low ratings for Kona are for the base engine, not the 1.6 turbo that I drive (but the DCT is annoying at times). I'm interested to see how CR rates the redesigned 2024 Kona, with it's bigger trunk and overall dimensions. And yes, the 2023 Kona EV was a "dog" so let's see how the new Kona EV is rated.
They don't see eye-to-eye because consumer reports is biased. They are not a factual review company. They take sponsorship money and that's where the review goes to.
The main difference is reliability. When I look at vehicles I check Consumers Reports instead of Car & Driver. The fact that C&D has a VW in the first 5 spots says a lot.
I was really surprised that C&D's #5 choice was CR's bottom ranked
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I feel bad for you. Trusting consumer reports. They are the most biased review company there is. They don't use fax. They use sponsorship money come up with their ratings
One is beholden to advertisers, the other does not. CR actually buy every car they test in their facility. CR also don’t let car makers edit their review.
In my mind, if it isn't AWD, it isn't an SUV. I like sub-compacts but I live near the Sierras and they won't even let non-AWD's drive through the passes in shaky weather so they are non-starters for me.
Had one of these on rental in the USA, very impressed, everything as described here, 56mpg in 3,900 miles driving
Very quiet and smooth.
Thinking of buying one now.
Which car...?!
@@NoName-vq3zo Kia Niro hybrid, very impressive, I did 4,000 miles in it on a road trip, very smooth and economical.
Well built car.
@@michaelcliffe6545 Thanks! Considering to buy that or the Hyundai Kona but worried about the reports of their engine oil leaks and fire issues.
@@NoName-vq3zo I know Kia engines have issues with excessive oil consumption
@@NoName-vq3zo Not really a subjective test as I only had it on rental for 21 days .
Had a friend in Denver who had a Toyota Camry with 325,000 miles on it when he gave it his son for college.
That had a non-interference engine in it, so if the timing belt snapped it did no damage, and you simply but a new belt on it.
Consumer Report results based on existing consumer statistics report & its more reliable & trusted
Incorrect. You should do a little bit more research. The results are based on sponsorship money. Nothing else
@@jasonmorehouse3756so does this youtube channel 😅 , infact using all photos videos belong to others
@@jasonmorehouse3756 who sponsors them? you pay for their magazine to avoid bias
I've commented on other videos by you. This is the latest? 2 months ago. You need to realize that the dealer location etc. is very important. Doesn't every car have problems that only the dealer can solve? In my experience, when we take our vehicle to a local repair shop, they often don't really know the vehicle and MUST refer to the manual. The dealer repairman may be familiar enough that he knows the repair by heart and will take less time to get your car back to you. It don't matter if a Toyota or Subaru is the best car if the dealer is 50 miles away. And who cares what CR says. All they are is recording responses from their subscribers. Not exactly a cross section of all drivers. I could say the same for the magazines. The NTSA is more reliable. So include their findings. I hope this is helpful
Agree as a CR subscriber for many years. Used vehicles are rated by subscriber surveys, but new modes are put through the ringer at the CR test track so it's not the same.
This report shows that NO agency can agree with another as they all are "experts" I have read a number of them reviewing the same cars and everyone has a different 1-10 list. My recommendation is to make your own decision based on how you relate to each particular vehicle when after sitting in and driving them. Does one of them work for you.
I agree with consumer report on picking the Subaru cross trek as their #1 pick. Thousands of Americans also agree because Subaru sells over 150 thousand of these tough little SUV’s. Now as far as car and driver we can always agree to disagree but it’s strange the Subaru doesn’t even make their list. What are they thinking? The Mazda is very cramped plus it’s not even fair to compare Mazda AWD with Subaru’s symmetrical AWD.
now subaru is discontinuing the CrossTrek!
I was the proud owner of a 2015 Kia Forte coupe right up to the point that after owning it all of one year, it caught on fire on the side of the 101 freeway and burnt to the ground. And if your Kia or Hyundai hasn't yet caught fire, don't park it in your garage or carport because it still may and then it's going to take your house with it😂 10:09
The 2 mags have completely different missions. A great driving car is going to he high on C&D's list. A great driving car that has massive reliability problems won't be on CR's. That said, this was an interesting and useful comparison, and thanks - would like to see more of this sort of thing...
You make some good points and appreciate the feedback. We'll look at putting out more of this kind of video in the future.
Incorrect. Car and driver focuses on both reliability and great driving. Consumer reports focuses on sponsorship
@@jasonmorehouse3756 I think you got it backwards.
What does the v in the honda stand for.?
the Honda
Cx 30 is much better thar CR mentioned. For , CR has no credibility. CR kept recommending Subaru even though the engines had head gasket problems. They did this for years. Not sure what there relationship with Subaru is? Subaru also has CVT and oil consumption problems. CR should stick to appliances 😂
well for us that have a Crosstrek, it is completely trouble free and those gasket problems have been largely solved. The Mazdas are indeed reliable, but they always compromise interior space and in the case of the CX-30, rear suspension quality.
Finally, someone that realizes that CR is a pointless review company. They use sponsorship money to dictate the reviews, not actual use
CR is CORRECT on notorious VW reliability !
My 2015 VW Jetta has had no problems.
Two reasons C R hates the Taos. #1 it's not from Japan and #2 it's not from Japan.
I don't know how C&D considers the Niro and Soul to be SUVs when they aren't even AWD.
Consumers uses stats ....Car and Driver is just peoples bias who work there.
It's all about ads in C&D.
Yes, real people that drive real vehicles. Therefore, much more accurate information. Consumer reports doesn't use any stats other than what a few other companies post up. They're positive reviews go towards where the money comes from. Educate yourself kid
Price please 2:56
How does a Toyota CH-R stands in a compact car
Hyundai-Kia is the best and safer than any other car ever!
Not even close kid. You really need to educate yourself
Complete bias not even a Toyota on this list. Clearly the most reliable brand… Hyundai and Kia maybe but VW certainly not reliable
Kias are well-known for engines that catch on fire.
To be fair, it's a small window of models.
Considering Ford, GM and Toyota own the largest number of recalls in the last 20 years, I would think those would be more of a concern
Their engines are a blast, lol.
I have a cx30 and I love it and I don't think they no what there talking about I get my 3 20 year old kids in the back I have plenty of room and so do they really don't know if they really really tested it
nope, they have tested it, as well as the rest of us, and the rear seat is terribly cramped and dark compared to the rest of the segment. I am 5' 10" and my knees press hard against the front seat when it is in my driving position.
@victorteran9766 well you must have longer legs then me iam 5.10 and I sit in the back seat after setting the front seat for myself and I have enough room in the back that my knees don't touch the back of the front seat
You guys completely ignored HONDA CRV. BIG MISTAKE.
The crv is slow and too expensive in Canada
Hrv*
CRV is not a sub-compact! That competes against the RAV4, Forrester, etc...
Seems like the vlog is skewing towards Car & Driver! CR is the buyers bible!
Yes and just like the Bible, it's a book of fiction. Sears results are pointless as they base them on sponsorship money not actual reviews. You need to educate yourself
Consumer reports is not a highly respected company. They used to be until they started focusing on who gives the money. They're a bias review company now.
Taos , most underpowered car ever ....dangerous!
@@patrickgagnon9662 I see it comes bottom in many reliability reports I have seen
I pay no attention to Consumer Reports, been burned too many times by them. One Volkswagen (Audi in my case), in a lifetime, is one too many!
Everything I read about the Kona is a do not buy this sub many problems
#1. GM,
#2. Toyota,
#3. Ford,
#4. Hyundai-Kia 👏👏👏,
#5. Stellantis,
#6. Honda
USA sales rankings
Clearly based on price, where cheapest wins.
That sounds more like your personal opinion, which is horrible, because it's definitely not sales rankings. The list that it's not even funny. And even though I'm not a fan of the company, Honda is actually top sales. You need to educate yourself, do a little bit of fact checking past Wikipedia next time kid
This list is comical
Which list in the video: Consumer Reports or Car & Driver's list?
Love how compact vehicles are now called subcompact in the US/CAN market, while the true subcompact segment have all basically disappeared. Have people gotten that fat/obese?
Based on the size of the average base.