Helix 3.7 Update: Brit 2203 VS Quad Cortex
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- Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2023
- Comparing the new 2203 model in the Helix 3.7 update to the Quad Cortex.
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Good !!! Love 3.7 update
Line 6 really standing behind their products 💪
QC is a little bass heavy for an 800, the HX is more on point in this demo. Cool video.
Thanks!
The Helix 2203 I think sounds better than an actual JCM 800. I was really surprised.
There seems to be a frequency range in the upper bass / lower mid area that's exaggerated in a lot of QC amp models. You can hear it here, in the Soldano comparison, and a bit in the 5150/6505 comparison.
That's what I hear too, it's also less present in their plugins. I'm guessing it's a way to get a "tubey" feel, even if it doesn't always work.
Both sound good. The QC cabinet sounds more like a vintage Marshall 4-12 to me. Lots of bottom.
QC has jtm45-ish sound. Brit killed it
Definitely
the bottom end in the QC sounds unnatural to me. Thats the first thing I dial out when making a usable patch.
Agree, Helix is best
Isn’t the 2203 on the QC a late seventies model. Not JCM 800, but its predecessor???
If you search for Neural's Virtual Device List, it says the British 2203 is modeled on a JCM800.
Am I late. Yes. But am I glad to be here? Also yes.
What were the settings for the distortion block?
oh I totally forgot to pin the settings. Drive Block: Boss SD-1, Gain: 0, Level: 10, Tone: 6
@@TheGooseChaseMusic thank you for the quick reply!!
What drive are you using in front of the amp model ?
Should be the SD-1 model in their respective units.
What IR are you using?
Ownhammer Rockbox with 8ohm vintage 30s, modern 2 mix.
Line 6 👑👑👑
I can’t get the same pick attack on a L6 Helix products. When you were chugging some downtuned is where I’ve always has issues. There is some frequency L6 doesn’t model right that on every amp isn’t there. When you do some E string galloping with a palm mute it’s always scooped or washed out. I’ve had 3 Helix floors and end up selling them. Still have Native and just today was trying to dial in that frequency with EQ because I’d love a Platinum floor. I’ve had every modeler and still have a Kemper. Playing chords I can make the Helix sound exactly the same as everyone and even my amps through a load box until the digging in on the E strung chug starts. The Helix sounds awesome in your demo but if I a/b it I can pick it out 100% of the time because of the wash in attack. Sucks because the Platinum haunts me.
I guess you can do like many who add a compressor before/ after.
@@newstuff1107 It’s not compression. There is just something L6 misses in their modeling. It’s like that on every amp model and not like that on any other companies modeling.
@@schlagdog on my side I manage to clone manually my best neural amp modeler with the same characteristics and feel but sometimes I must add a transparent model drive pedal in front, sometimes EQs, etc… I play, tweak for 15 minutes and take breaks. Brings me great pleasure!
Doesn't ever work with the Helix. Ive tried for years with 3 of them. There is something in their amp modeling that misses it. @@newstuff1107
Point for the HX.
QC loses.
Flawless victory.
Go in the IR loader on QC and cut some highs first see how much it cleans everything.
basically edit from the IR loader
Hx stomp xl 👍👍👍
Now just capture the HX 2203 with your Quad Cortex 😁
Haha actually not a bad idea.
I thought the same! I am an HXStomp owner.
I like my hx, but i want a QC! kkk... For me hx sounds very well, but sounds like a "marshall in a box" stomp box, and QC sounds like a real stack, with real speakers... i think...
Well, I wish you had compared a real 2203 to these patches. Having played, built, and modded the 2203 and its design, I think the expectation of a more in your face model like the Helix model is unrealistic compared to a stock 2203, which I think is more accurately represented by the Neural. I’m not saying I like the Neural better between the two, just that some of us may have come to expect more than the real thing in the modeling world, as a result of the higher fidelity available with modelers.
First, you are not the only one who does this. I bring it up, because far too many on YT do this, and am making a recommendation on how to stand apart. IMHO, to compare you should do 2 tests. The first, is with no tweaking on the Amp cab/module on either. THIS is how the Maker thinks said amp model sounds like. It's best if you then use the same CAB IR or physical CAB, depending on how you record. THEN using everything at your disposal in the unit, dial in the best tone compared to the real thing. If a unit has more shaping parameters, use thm if they help. After all, the goal is to see which unit can better recreate the tone of legacy amp X. Why tie one of it's arms back?
That's like saying that when you buy an amplifier you should leave the knobs where they came from the factory. Nonesense.
@@gravyblue So you didn't actually read what I posted then. Not even close to what I said, your response. Or you couldn't comprehend what I said, so I'll explain in greater detail.The first test is just dialing in the amp module as you would the amp being modeled, same on both, Just the EQ, Volume, Master etc that is on the real amp. No tweaking any of the other parameters the modeller has for that amp. Why? Because this is how the Fractal, or Quad Cortex think the amp is supposed to sound, their 'best' take of the amp. SO the comparison is of who modeled the amp best,
But not what was done in this video, tweaking on modeller to sound like the other, regardless of how close, or not to the real amp it is. That is not necessarily going to see how accurate the model is.
The 2nd test is then to use EVERYTHING the modeller has to tweak that modeled amp to get the best possible sounding (and accurate) tone. Not using everything the platform provides isn;t fair, nor a true test of who has the better model, now is it. In this video he ONLY used parameters on the Fractal, that the QC had. Not a good test, imho
U mad?
@@dantredogborsa7048 Not at all. If I am comparing a modelling unit to another I want to know 2 things, how accurate is the amp model to the real thing AND what can I do to tailor that tone with the unit. By doing what he did, he avoids both of those. Since this content maker isn't using the legacy amp to compare to both, just our memories, the best way is to compare the Maker's best take of said amp. And from each and every maker's own moths, that is the default setting for the model, generally speaking.
Barring that, because perhaps you want more gain, etc. then dial them in the exact same, as you would the 'real' amp and compare, how does each sound like the real thing. Again, that doesn't happen here. He dials in the QC, to what sounds , to him, good for the QC, then dials the HX to the same settings. But, perhaps that setting on the QC is not that accurate compared to the real amp. Worse, perhaps it is not a 'sweet spot' for the HX. This method ASSUMES both units modelled the amp exactly the same. Which we know they didn't because he needed 2 different gain settings. It doesn't compare which does the JCM800 best, it just compares if the HX sounds better or worse at what he thinks is the best QC settings.
If not dialing in both to the same settings typically used on real amp, then the only fair comparison, is to dial in both units independently to their best tone for the amp, or closest to that 'tone in his head'. Again,, that most likely only happened for one unit
As to the 2nd part, he doesn't even try. If one unit can tweak more, and thus sound better, then if I am comparing, that IS important to me.
All this video really tests and compares, is how well he can match tones with the 2 units AND how each of them react to an actual SD-1
@@justmehere6094 You are so boring 😂
I think others have mentioned that this isn’t exactly a fair test as both drive models differ in the qc and helix. To make it fair I would’ve hit the front end of each amp with the same (analog) pedal not a model
Both are models of the same drive, the SD-1. I have tested with an analog sd-1 in front in past videos, but the difference is negligible in my experience.
hx by miles.
I'm inclined towards the HX model as well!
First comment!
Bro tune your guitar first. lol. I’m teasing, but I’m serious 😂