The UK's system is the way it is because of well over a thousand years of political history. It goes with having place names with weird spelling, both from multiple invasions/ pre-Roman and pre-Norman dialects and from the Great Vowel Shift. It can be fun to dive into the linguistics' intersection with politics and history.
Ey up, Tyler (hello) from Yorkshire! Yorkshire folk are fiercely proud of their county. It's often referred to as 'God's own county' (type that in a UK search and it brings up Yorkshire). There's a Yorkshire Day celebration every 1st of August. I'm from South Yorkshire, and live on the Sheffield / Barnsley border. I've got a Sheffield address but pay local taxes to Barnsley council. It doesn't seem that confusing when you've grown up with it.
I think there's a good % of people here in the UK who are proud of what county they come from. Yorkshire people are known for it, then there's other counties like Cornwall that even have their own language. I myself am a die-hard Lincolnshire yellowbelly. I was born here, have lived all my life here, and will undoubtedly die here.
I live in Bradford in West Yorkshire. Bradford is a city which has it's own Metropolitan district which comprises of several towns, villages and Hamlets. 2 more districts exist Leeds and Wakefield. Then there are 2 metropolitan boroughs of West Yorkshire, Calderdale (where Halifax is) and Kirklees (Where Huddersfield is) but as neither Halifax nor Huddersfield are yet cities these are boroughs not districts. Also want to say Bradford gets a bad reputation because the city itself isn't at all the best BUT places within the district like Saltaire, Ilkley and many more are nice towns to visit. So when someone says Bradford's rubbish take it with a grain of salt :)
Good to see *HULL* , my home town or rather *City* get a mention and in *East Yorkshire* . Our full name is really *Kingston Upon Hull* , but if you live here it's known as 'ull' in local dialect 😆
As someone who lives right on the Yorkshire north border i can sense the pride coming from Yorkshire. Also when i go into Yorkshire i see more flags of Yorkshire then uk or English flags.
A good follow-up video would be to look at our postcodes (How they differ from Zip codes) How a postcode can narrow down the location to a few houses on the same street (The reason we do not need to put counties in the address) it is a very effective code system.
The Irish one goes a step further, an Éircode is individual to each property even down to individual apartments in a block. In theory an address is not needed, did try it once and it worked albeit delayed by a couple of days as someone at An Post had to look it up on the website and write the address across the envelope in a thick blue pen after travelling miles in the wrong direction from all the sorting depot time stamps on it (those funny row of lines along an edge). Google maps also works.
I'm from Northumberland - the northernmost English county, bordering Scotland. While Cumbria is the other English county that borders Scotland - the border is diagonal and is around 70 miles farther north on the East coast as it is on the West - the England/Scotland border is a fascinating topic in itself and is definitely not a straight line!
Hi Tyler. Each county has its own character, local building style and has its own accent (although the latter two can stretch across into the neighbouring county). As examples - the Cotswolds are based, and span out, from the meeting point of 4 counties. West Midlands "bromy" accent is also common in neighbouring Worcestershire, and the fenland waterways are common to Norfolk and neighbouring Cambridgeshire and Lincolnshire.
Im from Hampshire, but my town Basingstoke uses Reading postcodes (so RG24 for example), Reading is part of the county of Berkshire. but on top of that reading is my nearest *bigger city. What I believe makes our lives easier as brits is our vast transportation network, making it easier to move about (when the workers arent on strike), therefore blurring those lines between counties.
I used to live in the county of Lancashire and then a few years ago the redefined the area I'm in " Manchester" around Manchester as greater Manchester confusingly leaving the Lancashire cricket team which play old Trafford cricket ground in Manchester no longer in the county of Lancashire lol
I live in Bristol so I regularly argue about Bristol now technically being its own county despite part of Bristol not being in the county whereas neighbouring towns are… but then it’s also part of Avon and shares a police-force with Avon and Somerset, two other counties. So yes, a lot of us are aware of the confusion
I grew up in Banbury, everybody knows it's in Oxfordshire, well those who live there. I now live in Chatham, historically part of Kent and currently in Medway Unitary Authority. I understand there's another shuffling of local authority boundaries coming soon.
What is it with everyone thinking when you hit 50 you're an OAP. How old are you? Cos you'll be feeling the same in your late 40s. Yes 50 next year and still raving.
@@johncrofts4393I refuse to be labelled as middle aged! In fact so far in my 67 years, I have totally avoided it. I am a person NOT A LABEL (and I am NOT AN OAP!)
3:47 we do so by 2 ways primarily. Postal county - the area that a single, large postal sorting centre covers, and required on addresses - and council county - effectively which council maintains and provides for the area. When not referring to counties, we more likely refer to ourselves by region or city.
My friend lives in Cambridgeshire but she is convinced she lives on Norfolk because she has a Norwich postcode. Even though I show her the road atlas with the boundary/dotted line to her east. she still maintains she is in Norfolk not Cambridgeshire.
I live in Nottinghamshire 1 mile from the south Yorkshire border Our closest postal sorting office was in Doncaster so my post address is Doncaster South Yorkshire, when I clearly live in Nottinghamshire
5: 36 Something about how Americans pronounce the whole of Nottingham always gets me. I was at a Spin Doctors gig once years ago and the singer said between songs "yeah were going all over England, last night we played in a place called Notting Ham" and everyone in the crowd shouted "It's Not-Num" in almost exact unison Edit: OMG and then you hit me with Dur-Ham XD Basically anywhere that has Ham at the end you just run it into the whole word and the ham becomes an "um" sound you don't need to stop mid word to pronounce the whole "ham" so Durham is pronounced "Durrum", Nottingham is prononced "Nottinum" and West Ham is pronounced, er, West Ham, shit. So it's not a hard and fast rule it turns out after all. Fuck my language.
Look at my surname..you should hear how they try to pronounce it here in Spain! Var-ey-han is about the closest they get! It's Wareham (yup..like in Dorset)!
Basically, the administrative counties are for practical purposes, to make management easier, and historic counties are more for identity purposes. Administrative counties are the modern day official counties. The historic counties are mainly just a concept. I’m from Greater Manchester, which was historically part of Lancashire, and I put that I’m from Greater Manchester when I’m writing my address down for whatever reason. But I personally identify with Lancashire as it’s linked to the culture, history and identity of the area. Postal counties are just another thing that most people don’t even know about. Best not get confused by that as it’s the least relevant of them all.
Unfortunate example as the administrative county of Greater Manchester only administered stuff from 1974-1986. It still exists on paper but its administrative functions are the remit of the boroughs and it has had zero practical purpose for approaching 40 years. (The 2011-present Greater Manchester Combined Authority is something different to the concept of counties)
Never really thought about it before, but i guess if our landmass were to grow to the area size of the US, and everything stayed in proportion, our counties would likely be similar to states.
Also you are familiar with some of our names because you have them over there ‘’’Lancaster County for example where as here the county is called Lancashire the capital city of Lancashire is a Lancaster. You took it as a county name. Oxford is a city here, capital city of Oxfordshire but you have Oxford `Town (and I know this from Bib Dylan’s song of the same name) By the way Durham is pronounced Durrum.
Before I moved I lived in Leicestershire, the administrative area was North West Leicestershire, but the post code & telephone code was that of Derby(shire)! So YES we all know about the way counties are divided up & financially managed!! Stop struggling abd concentrate!
The government split Yorkshire up for political reasons but regardless which part you live in we are all Yorkshire, and stuff the politicians intentions.
Like you, the County madness does blow a lot of our minds! It is, however, useful for explaining to someone the broad location of a town or place they won't have heard of, rather than spending half an a hour zeroing in on somewhere by using the nearby big cities. For example, saying "I grew up in Warwickshire," as opposed to saying, " I'm from Bedworth," ... er where? Or, "I had a weekend away in Lincolnshire," etc. Also, a bit like the US, some place names are not unique, so you might say the name, then the County, to distinguish it. To be fair, the whole thing is bonkers, though 😂
The Rutland border is at the bottom of my garden, but I live in Lincolnshire. My Postal code is from Peterborough, which is in Cambridgeshire... I work in Northamptonshire, but cross various borders 3 times to get there.... It's quite simple really! .... Although, if you ever visit some of these counties, you may feel like a time traveller!
I live in Tyne and Wear and I am not sure why this county still exists as it has not centralized political entity anymore since its county council was abolished in 1986.
It lasted just 12 years, and died 38 years ago - at this point it may as well be 'Huntingdon and Peterborough' (lasted 9 years ending 50 years ago), ie completely forgotten! I guess Nexus PTE and Tyne and Wear Police still exist...
Well i have a Bradford postcode, which is west Yorkshire and if i walk 10 minutes west, there is a sign for west yorkshire, but i live in a place called Sutton, but its sutton-in-craven as there are a few Suttons in the UK, and Craven is an area. Craven council is in Skipton, which is in NORTH Yorkshire, so i live in North Yorkshire, but i have a west Yorkshire postcode. Fun fact..if i drive 10 minutes east...its hellos Lancashire. Where a chair is a chur and stairs are sturs. Ice is pronouce arse (not a rolling r). We must not go there, its the dark side. 😂 no its actually pretty, but we have the rivals betweeen white and red rose.
Yorkshire is pretty much Middle Earth its right there in the title yorkShire plus we have the same accent the history and the guy that wrote Lotr lived just south of me and my grandad was Scottish so i have the full Dwarf Hobbit accent
I was born and raised in The City & County of Bristol, sandwiched between Gloucestershire to the North & North Somerset to the South. Unless you are local most people across the Country are not aware of this.
I was in Uni in Bristol at the time the Fred and Rose West stuff came to light (yeah... I'm old!!!) and can distictly remember me and my morbid mates really had to fight the urge to make the short trip up there (yeah... I'm an old sicko!!!) Decency eventually prevented us.... but we did thrive on all the rumours of buildings in Bristol that Fred was involved in... although even we were dubious when things with publicly visible dates of 1893, 1775, 1680 etc were being mentioned!!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@lawrencemcginley9937 In Suffolk - along the main road from / to the town of 'Bury St.Edmunds' - is the village of 'Great Barton'. It has a Main Street of just six houses, and a Newsagents, and the rest of the village spreads out all around the 'Main (High?) Street' on both sides. There is also a celebrated racehorse Stud there ('Great Barton Stud') where years ago, the _Aga Khan_ kept his racehorses, back in the day (1960's - 1970's at least). My late Mum's Aunt and her family lived there (not at the Stud!!) and they had a huge garden and greenhouses where they grew their own veg, had fruit trees etc... Cousin Donald also had a boat which he fished from - probably in 'The Wash' - so they were fairly self-sufficient, other than meats and poultry, which they would either bus into to Bury S.E to buy, or buy from nearby farms to fill their larders (and freezers) to compliment their homegrown fare... (They may've even kept chickens themselves, but I don't remember seeing any in their garden). I haven't lived a 'country lifestyle' full time, but am aware, more than at least some other 'townies' that it can be a hard, yet satisfying life... Better with the "mod-cons" of the twentieth century, of course, and, I assume much improved nowadays (hopefully). I haven't been there since the '70's, and expect Mum's 'Cousin Donald' (an ex-roofer) may have already passed on, as his wife 'Aunt Doris' had already done so, before my Mum* did in Oct.2015, age 98_yrs+7mnths*.
The only times I know of when 'Shire' is pronounced 'Shy-a' are when saying 'Shire/Shires' as a standalone word, the surname 'Shires' and those heavy horses known as 'Shire horses' as it's accented - on the end of county names (eg. Hampshire or Wiltshire) it's not accented and pronounced 'sha'.
I was born and bred in East Yorkshire in the medievil town of Beverley I am a Tyke ..I belong to the House of York and I wear the White Rose with pride if you want plain speaking folk then Yorkshire is the place to be we speak as we see and we dont care if we please or offend LOL
My family live in Leicestershire but their mail address has a Derbyshire post code. At one point their address involved references to Staffordshire town as well because they live near the borders with both other counties.
It is relatively complicated. Take my situation: I live in the City of Bristol, which politically is split into 4 constituencies (none of whcih are counties) and the area aroudn it is often referred to the County of Avon... However realistically it is somewhat split between the Counties of North Somerset (southern Bristol) and South Gloucestershire (northern Bristol). Even more confusingly,. some maps have the Avon area listed and showing, but no 'link' to what the area is... To add, the council taxes are governed by the City of Bristol, but the municipals (such as road repairs etc) are mostly controlled by the two main Counties... which can easily be seen when seeing the quality of roads and how quick road repairs are done when comparing the north and south of Bristol City
Avon ceased to exist 28 years ago, on its 24th birthday. It's been out of existence longer than it existed! It shouldn't be on maps. Even the Combined Authority (created 2017, but doesn't include North Somerset) named itself 'West of England', rather than Avon, because people don't like that name. The City of Bristol is an administrative county in its own right - covering a lot of suburbs (as far out as Hengrove, Ashton Vale, Bedminster Down, Withywood, Avonmouth, Henbury, Lockleaze, Speedwell, Brislington and Stockwood). It has about 480k people in it - more than 1.5 times South Gloucestershire's 300k (BANES 200k, N Somerset 220k) - it is the main county of that urban area and is even a county for the purposes of the Lieutenancy Act 1996 (commonly called 'Ceremonial Counties'). It doesn't, however, control the whole urban area - the northern and eastern edge of the urban area (Filton, Frenchay, Kingswood, Hanham) is in the administrative county of South Gloucestershire (ceremonially Gloucestershire). A tiny bit of the urban area to the south (Whitechurch) is in the county Bath and North East Somerset and some very nearby towns and villages are North Somerset (both those two are ceremonially Somerset). This is where the difference in road repairs come in. *the second-smallest in England by area, beating the only other English city that is also, ceremonially, a county: the City of London.
... 28 years after it was abolished and we *still* can't put the correct county on any order form online which has a drop-down box. You can find 'Avon' but not North Somerset, Bath and North-East Somerset or South Gloucestershire. Living in the first-named, I just put in 'Somerset' and my delivery still gets to my door...
I'm from Hampshire in the south, my little town Gosport has its own microclimate and 2 beaches. Right opposite the Isle of Wight I love living 5 mins walk from the beach.
Tyler. It's good to see you are now finally crediting the sources and sometimes even replying to comments, too... but one starts to wonder whether you have seen the videos you're reacting 'fresh' to beforehand when you constantly cue up the start of your reactions a good way in rather than from the actual start. (And/or even chop off the end prematurely too, such as with this one). I mean, the other day, you started two minutes in to a video... so, you're not watching the video beforehand to see it's worth a reaction first are you? Surely not... because that would make the 'live' reaction rather fake wouldn't it? ....Bueller? Oooooh...there's Leicestershire, Oxfordshire, Rutland and Warwickshire Northamptonshire is next door Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire, Norfolk and Lincolnshire Huntingdonshire, there's more, like Like Suffolk and Essex and Surrey and Sussex And Nottinghamshire in the centre Devon and Cornwall and Dorset and Somerset Kent, and what comes after Kent? Er... Westmorland, Cumberland, also Northumberland And County Durham below There's Lancashire, Gloucestershirе, Derbyshire, Cheshirе Eleven more counties to go Shropshire and Staffordshire, Berkshire and Hampshire And Herefordshire next to Wales There's Hertfordshire, Middlesex, Worcestershire, Wiltshire And Yorkshire with all of the dales And Buckinghamshire's the end of the list There's no need to sing anymore 'Cause we're not doing Scotland or Wales Or new ones invented in 1974
As if! Wingerworth is where my family live. We go there for Xmas to catch up every year! Tiny little village outside Chesterfield in Derbyshire 😂. Never thought I'd hear it mentioned in a video, EVER! ❤ Edit: NOOOO! I went to college in Rutland too. Oakham specifically, lol. 😂
"Don't tell me that this is a thing, where England hasn't decided how many counties it has", I am starting to love this American Guy, and if he ever wants to live on these benighted shores. I would 100% adopt him so he can get a passport without having to pay the £6.84 a UK passport now costs on the black market (despite it being blue)
That's when you know weird it is in the UK sometimes..... when the black market documentation is a fraction of the cost of the legitimate ones... and probably of a higher quality!!! My recent passport renewal actually fell apart in the post to me-had to send it back for a replacement...Haha! But agree-Tyler seems pretty decent.... and I hope if he ever does come over to the UK, he does it for long enough to see more than just London There's loads to do, and lots of history... but by lord-it'd be like doing a visit of all the US -bu only seeing NYC and LA. And he'd miss all the genuine friendliness and interest of UK folk.... because large parts of the 'touristy' London areas are definitely not the most welcoming of places to anyone-even if they do have the 'Landmarks'. I say this as someone born and bred there!!!
There's an awful lot in that video that I didn't know. For instance, I didn't realise you don't have to include the county in a postal address anymore. I live in a town called Christchurch which is in either the county of Dorset or Hampshire, depending on what map you're looking at, I suppose. I also lived in Bath which used to be in the county of Avon, but is now in Somerset. I don't even think Avon exists anymore.
The video the Map Men (or Jay Foreman's channel) do about pronouncing British names is funny, and addresses some things you usually mispronounce. There is also the one by English Jade about the names of English towns.
Let me confuse you further, my brother and I were born in the same ward of the same hospital (even the next bed!), he was born in 1975, I was born in 1972. I was born in Lancashire, but he was born in Cheshire, all down to County border changes.
Shrewsbury is in Shropshire , it is our County Town .Shropshire is the most least populated land locked County in the Uk , very rural we like it that way 😂. And there is an ongoing “Shrowsbury” , Shrewsbury pronunciation.Most locals say Shrewsbury and get quite annoyed when people pronounce it “Shrowsbury” .Also the birthplace of Charles Darwin . The small village I live in was once part of Wales until England pinched it back so the village name is actually of Welsh origin.Then you go 4 miles down the road in Wales and then back into the UK , all very confusing 😂.
Well, it’s a bit more complicated and precise. For example, you have the town and county class cruisers the Belfast and Exeter being town class and the Devonshire and Kent being county class. The bomber aircraft were named after major towns and cities such as the Manchester, Lancaster and Halifax.
Im about 4 miles from Wingerworth. Not many people call it that. They call it Wingworth. The people around it. Last I focused on it, for my websites, ther are 83 counties in GB, eng, Ire, Scot, Wales. Its not complicated. Youve only heard of the ones that have been stmped on, as you say, famous things. Lancaster Bomber for instance. Robbin Hood Nottingham etc.
Where I live on the wirral, our address varies slightly between the local council, Royal mail and business databases that mess it up more by incorrectly say we are Merseyside. We have a Cheshire postcode, not the Merseyside postcode.
In practice to get around all you need is the Postcode (zip code), put it into your car’s GPS and it will lead you where you want to go. Put it at the end of an address and Royal Mail will deliver it. Every town has its council office, they can help you pay your taxes etc. But, never never mix up Yorkshire and Lancashire or Devon and Cornwall !!!
When you include all the parts of Yorkshire, it is the largest county in England. As a result, Yorkshire folk like to say that if Scotland can have independence, then so can Yorkshire 🙂
The Administrative Counties and their subdivisions ARE very relevant to people. These are the local authorities who run the services like education, police, fire services, refuse collection, local road maintenance, and so on, and raise local taxes to pay for them. So the particular services you can receive depend on which local authority you live in, and what their priorities are. The ceremonial counties are of emotional importance to many of the inhabitants, and the postal counties often confuse the hell out of people who live near the borders and have a different postal address to the county in which they live.
Counties matter a lot to many of us. Where I live, Marple, is as far as I'm concerned, Cheshire before, Cheshire now, Cheshire forever, despite the Government saying we are not and trying to say we are in the mythical Greater Manchester. Never underestimate the loyalty a great many people feel to their historic county. It's worth looking at Wikishire, which includes a detailed map of the historic counties.
I used to live in a town called Alsager which is geographically in Cheshire but in the postal county of Stoke-on-Trent, which itself isn't a county but a unitary city conurbation in Staffordshire. Make it make sense.
In medieval times Kent was partitioned into East Kent (Jutes from Denmark) and West Kent (Saxons from Germany). Even today there is an East Kent Health Authority and a West Kent Health Authority, there are other various equivalents. Being born in East Kent I am a 'Man of Kent'. Those born in West Kent are 'Kentish Men'.
Most of the counties names and general area go even further back than King Aethelstan, each shire was also an an important indicator of military force. The ealdormen (later “Earls” from the Scandinavian “Jarl”) were expected to to be able to raise an army from the freemen and Thegns (like knights) of their respective shire. That goes back to the proto-kingdoms of the early Saxons from the 6th century.
There is nothing 'random' about Jay Foremans Map Men videos, one of the best channels on the internet
The UK's system is the way it is because of well over a thousand years of political history. It goes with having place names with weird spelling, both from multiple invasions/ pre-Roman and pre-Norman dialects and from the Great Vowel Shift. It can be fun to dive into the linguistics' intersection with politics and history.
There is a North Yorkshire an east Yorkshire and west Yorkshire, why no South Yorkshire? Because no Yorkshire man will ever admit he is southern 😂
So true! 🤣🤣🤣👍
We won’t allow you to be remotely connected with the glorious part of the country we call the South 🧐😘
So I'm from the city of Doncaster? Where would that be? 😮
Wrong..... So very wrong!
@@robnash5311a fellow Donny boi!
We use archaic, mispronounced, place-names, in order to confuse foreign visitors. It works.
And the world took it's revenge by sending you a bunch of Polish people with names like Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz to confuse you.
@@dominik36127 🤣🤣
😂😂😂
@dominik36127 😂😂😂
@@dominik36127 Ah but we love the Poles.
Lincoln is the in Lincolnshire. Oxford is in Oxfordshire, Derby is in Derbyshire, etc. We have hamlets, villages, towns, cities, counties etc.
Map Men are great. ‘Why are British place names so hard to pronounce’ and ‘Why British cities make no sense’ are good as well.
And why do they need to use EVERY LETTER OF THE ALPHABET for those names?
Birminghamshireburgh.
Wales has the worst imo, like no one can say Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysisiogogogoch 😅
@@naomihorton8793For your sake, I hope you copied and pasted that 😂😂😂
@@shyemest- I spent too long learning that as a brag against my mates to copy and paste it 😭
I always love how Americans try to say "Worcestershire", when it comes to our Sauce. 😂
Nah, not really. It just confused the heck outta me.
True, but not just that word, most words that originate in other countries, like Versailles
they say Ver-sails instead of Ver-sigh.
@@Wishes890
They even pronounce Paris as Paree ...😂
Woooosta
And Tottenham (when talking footy)
Ey up, Tyler (hello) from Yorkshire! Yorkshire folk are fiercely proud of their county. It's often referred to as 'God's own county' (type that in a UK search and it brings up Yorkshire). There's a Yorkshire Day celebration every 1st of August. I'm from South Yorkshire, and live on the Sheffield / Barnsley border. I've got a Sheffield address but pay local taxes to Barnsley council. It doesn't seem that confusing when you've grown up with it.
The only time counties matter is when someone from Lancashire meets someone from Yorkshire then fireworks may fly.
And CORNWALL and DEVON!
the great scone war!
Unless the person from Lancashire admits they are inferior
@ Never in my lifetime😁
Inferior my arse, *cough* BOSWORTH FIELD *Cough* Yorkshite LOST.
I think there's a good % of people here in the UK who are proud of what county they come from.
Yorkshire people are known for it, then there's other counties like Cornwall that even have their own language. I myself am a die-hard Lincolnshire yellowbelly. I was born here, have lived all my life here, and will undoubtedly die here.
I live in Bradford in West Yorkshire. Bradford is a city which has it's own Metropolitan district which comprises of several towns, villages and Hamlets. 2 more districts exist Leeds and Wakefield. Then there are 2 metropolitan boroughs of West Yorkshire, Calderdale (where Halifax is) and Kirklees (Where Huddersfield is) but as neither Halifax nor Huddersfield are yet cities these are boroughs not districts. Also want to say Bradford gets a bad reputation because the city itself isn't at all the best BUT places within the district like Saltaire, Ilkley and many more are nice towns to visit. So when someone says Bradford's rubbish take it with a grain of salt :)
10:56 yep, we're aware all right... we just tend to decide to run with either the historic or administrative counties.
I tend to run with the 48 ceremonial counties
the best way to understand counties, is to look at the county cricket teams ... that pretty much sums up how i think of things
Yes like Lancashire Cricket club not being in Lancashire.
@watcherzero5256 yeh, but it is a county
@@watcherzero5256 Some of us don't accept the Local Government Act 1972; therefore Stretford is in Lancashire.
@@watcherzero5256 Or Bristol not being in Gloucestershire.
@@watcherzero5256 or Middlesex which hasn't existed since 1966 when Greater London became a thing and gobbled it up
So neat ngl tho keep it up man love ur video's this was so neat, Loved it lots.
When I'm asked for my county I'm not usually given the option of Yorkshire, I choose South Yorkshire.
Good to see *HULL* , my home town or rather *City* get a mention and in *East Yorkshire* . Our full name is really *Kingston Upon Hull* , but if you live here it's known as 'ull' in local dialect 😆
Tyler have a day off mate! Yorkshire a city? The clues in the name 😁🇬🇧🏴
As someone who lives right on the Yorkshire north border i can sense the pride coming from Yorkshire. Also when i go into Yorkshire i see more flags of Yorkshire then uk or English flags.
1:45 The look of sheer joy when Tyler recognises the name Yorkshire! 🤣🤣
Great reaction as always Tyler, would love to see you react to more of Jay Foremans videos, it's an amazing channel with so much knowledge and humor!
Please do more Map Men reactions.
A good follow-up video would be to look at our postcodes (How they differ from Zip codes)
How a postcode can narrow down the location to a few houses on the same street (The reason we do not need to put counties in the address) it is a very effective code system.
The Irish one goes a step further, an Éircode is individual to each property even down to individual apartments in a block. In theory an address is not needed, did try it once and it worked albeit delayed by a couple of days as someone at An Post had to look it up on the website and write the address across the envelope in a thick blue pen after travelling miles in the wrong direction from all the sorting depot time stamps on it (those funny row of lines along an edge). Google maps also works.
He already did a post-code video recently.
The only Americans who known how to pronounce Shire apparently live in New Hampshire.
Tyler is in the Shrews bury camp when pronouncing Shrewsbury.
I'm from Northumberland - the northernmost English county, bordering Scotland.
While Cumbria is the other English county that borders Scotland - the border is diagonal and is around 70 miles farther north on the East coast as it is on the West - the England/Scotland border is a fascinating topic in itself and is definitely not a straight line!
And there's a Map Men video about it!
I live about 10 minutes from Wingerworth in Derbyshire first mentioned in the video.Wingerworth is a beautiful rural village.
Same
So do I
Counties are only important when it comes to County Cricket 😅
Hi Tyler.
Each county has its own character, local building style and has its own accent (although the latter two can stretch across into the neighbouring county).
As examples - the Cotswolds are based, and span out, from the meeting point of 4 counties.
West Midlands "bromy" accent is also common in neighbouring Worcestershire, and the fenland waterways are common to Norfolk and neighbouring Cambridgeshire and Lincolnshire.
Brummie, not "bromy".
This is a great channel. Good on you Tyler for your curiosity and openness!
Thank you!
Im from Hampshire, but my town Basingstoke uses Reading postcodes (so RG24 for example), Reading is part of the county of Berkshire. but on top of that reading is my nearest *bigger city. What I believe makes our lives easier as brits is our vast transportation network, making it easier to move about (when the workers arent on strike), therefore blurring those lines between counties.
Aaa! Yoo must meen the town of Redding in the countee of Barksheer, where I woz born 👍😊👋
In france they are called departments, of course we know, i live in the borough of east lindsey in the county of lincolnshire
West Yorkshire here 🙂
I used to live in the county of Lancashire and then a few years ago the redefined the area I'm in " Manchester" around Manchester as greater Manchester confusingly leaving the Lancashire cricket team which play old Trafford cricket ground in Manchester no longer in the county of Lancashire lol
By all accounts, the Historic County's still exists. So you are still in Lancashire.
@@AlanMackinnon-dn3qw yes true now called the old Lancashire
I live in Bristol so I regularly argue about Bristol now technically being its own county despite part of Bristol not being in the county whereas neighbouring towns are… but then it’s also part of Avon and shares a police-force with Avon and Somerset, two other counties. So yes, a lot of us are aware of the confusion
... and Gloucestershire play cricket in Bristol.
Avon was abolished on its 24th birthday in 1996. The current county of the City of Bristol has already existed nearly 5 years longer than Avon did!
I grew up in Banbury, everybody knows it's in Oxfordshire, well those who live there. I now live in Chatham, historically part of Kent and currently in Medway Unitary Authority. I understand there's another shuffling of local authority boundaries coming soon.
What is it with everyone thinking when you hit 50 you're an OAP.
How old are you? Cos you'll be feeling the same in your late 40s.
Yes 50 next year and still raving.
Eighty-six and still not OAP in my mind, pity about the body!
@@BoBnotThat1 Surely everyone knows that middle age starts at 70?
That will obviously change to 80 in the next few years.
M 77 size 9
@@johncrofts4393I refuse to be labelled as middle aged! In fact so far in my 67 years, I have totally avoided it. I am a person NOT A LABEL (and I am NOT AN OAP!)
Ok I'm big enough to say using OAP was my bad and you're as old as you feel.
@@tanja9364 I hear you mate and my bad shouldn't of used that. As I said you're as old as you feel.
3:47 we do so by 2 ways primarily. Postal county - the area that a single, large postal sorting centre covers, and required on addresses - and council county - effectively which council maintains and provides for the area. When not referring to counties, we more likely refer to ourselves by region or city.
I live in Derbyshire, its a lovely place with fantastic countryside.
........but the City of Derby is a dung-heap 😁
I am in the derbyshire dales but try to stay away from derby
My friend lives in Cambridgeshire but she is convinced she lives on Norfolk because she has a Norwich postcode.
Even though I show her the road atlas with the boundary/dotted line to her east. she still maintains she is in Norfolk not Cambridgeshire.
I live in Nottinghamshire
1 mile from the south Yorkshire border
Our closest postal sorting office was in Doncaster so my post address is Doncaster South Yorkshire, when I clearly live in Nottinghamshire
Youve never heard of york in yorkshire?
5: 36 Something about how Americans pronounce the whole of Nottingham always gets me. I was at a Spin Doctors gig once years ago and the singer said between songs "yeah were going all over England, last night we played in a place called Notting Ham" and everyone in the crowd shouted "It's Not-Num" in almost exact unison
Edit: OMG and then you hit me with Dur-Ham XD
Basically anywhere that has Ham at the end you just run it into the whole word and the ham becomes an "um" sound you don't need to stop mid word to pronounce the whole "ham" so Durham is pronounced "Durrum", Nottingham is prononced "Nottinum" and West Ham is pronounced, er, West Ham, shit. So it's not a hard and fast rule it turns out after all. Fuck my language.
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Look at my surname..you should hear how they try to pronounce it here in Spain! Var-ey-han is about the closest they get! It's Wareham (yup..like in Dorset)!
I was born and live in england and even I am confused. even i refer to all regions of yorkshire as yorkshire.
Basically, the administrative counties are for practical purposes, to make management easier, and historic counties are more for identity purposes. Administrative counties are the modern day official counties. The historic counties are mainly just a concept. I’m from Greater Manchester, which was historically part of Lancashire, and I put that I’m from Greater Manchester when I’m writing my address down for whatever reason. But I personally identify with Lancashire as it’s linked to the culture, history and identity of the area.
Postal counties are just another thing that most people don’t even know about. Best not get confused by that as it’s the least relevant of them all.
Unfortunate example as the administrative county of Greater Manchester only administered stuff from 1974-1986. It still exists on paper but its administrative functions are the remit of the boroughs and it has had zero practical purpose for approaching 40 years.
(The 2011-present Greater Manchester Combined Authority is something different to the concept of counties)
Never really thought about it before, but i guess if our landmass were to grow to the area size of the US, and everything stayed in proportion, our counties would likely be similar to states.
Also you are familiar with some of our names because you have them over there ‘’’Lancaster County for example where as here the county is called Lancashire the capital city of Lancashire is a Lancaster. You took it as a county name. Oxford is a city here, capital city of Oxfordshire but you have Oxford `Town (and I know this from Bib Dylan’s song of the same name) By the way Durham is pronounced Durrum.
Random fact. The reigning monarch, whether King or Queen, also holds the title Duke of Lancaster.
Lancashire's county city, where the County Council is based, is Preston, not Lancaster.
Technically Yorkshire is three counties but used to be 1 but it is the biggest county in the country.
Before I moved I lived in Leicestershire, the administrative area was North West Leicestershire, but the post code & telephone code was that of Derby(shire)!
So YES we all know about the way counties are divided up & financially managed!!
Stop struggling abd concentrate!
As a swaddie. I understand this
The government split Yorkshire up for political reasons but regardless which part you live in we are all Yorkshire, and stuff the politicians intentions.
Would start a war, if they tried to take any of God's land away from us. YRA.
Yorkshire 👍🏴🇬🇧🚜
West
South
Ey up from N/W border
@nataliezitzmann6047 😀👍❤️
Like you, the County madness does blow a lot of our minds! It is, however, useful for explaining to someone the broad location of a town or place they won't have heard of, rather than spending half an a hour zeroing in on somewhere by using the nearby big cities. For example, saying "I grew up in Warwickshire," as opposed to saying, " I'm from Bedworth," ... er where? Or, "I had a weekend away in Lincolnshire," etc. Also, a bit like the US, some place names are not unique, so you might say the name, then the County, to distinguish it. To be fair, the whole thing is bonkers, though 😂
Bed'uth, Bed'uth, born and bred, strong in the arm and thick in the head. Hugs and kisses from Treacletown.
The level of ignorance on display here, is on a whole new level with this one!
The Rutland border is at the bottom of my garden, but I live in Lincolnshire. My Postal code is from Peterborough, which is in Cambridgeshire... I work in Northamptonshire, but cross various borders 3 times to get there.... It's quite simple really! .... Although, if you ever visit some of these counties, you may feel like a time traveller!
0:12 omg, mapmen are the best! Unfortunately it takes forever for them to do videos theses days
Yorkshire is all one but it does have districts in it like west east north and south outside London Yorkshire is the biggest county 👍❤️🏴🇬🇧🚜
Yep im in the middle
I live in Tyne and Wear and I am not sure why this county still exists as it has not centralized political entity anymore since its county council was abolished in 1986.
It lasted just 12 years, and died 38 years ago - at this point it may as well be 'Huntingdon and Peterborough' (lasted 9 years ending 50 years ago), ie completely forgotten!
I guess Nexus PTE and Tyne and Wear Police still exist...
Well i have a Bradford postcode, which is west Yorkshire and if i walk 10 minutes west, there is a sign for west yorkshire, but i live in a place called Sutton, but its sutton-in-craven as there are a few Suttons in the UK, and Craven is an area. Craven council is in Skipton, which is in NORTH Yorkshire, so i live in North Yorkshire, but i have a west Yorkshire postcode.
Fun fact..if i drive 10 minutes east...its hellos Lancashire. Where a chair is a chur and stairs are sturs. Ice is pronouce arse (not a rolling r). We must not go there, its the dark side. 😂 no its actually pretty, but we have the rivals betweeen white and red rose.
Lancashire. At least they are not Bl##dy Southerners!
Yorkshire is pretty much Middle Earth its right there in the title yorkShire plus we have the same accent the history and the guy that wrote Lotr lived just south of me and my grandad was Scottish so i have the full Dwarf Hobbit accent
I was born and raised in The City & County of Bristol, sandwiched between Gloucestershire to the North & North Somerset to the South.
Unless you are local most people across the Country are not aware of this.
I was in Uni in Bristol at the time the Fred and Rose West stuff came to light (yeah... I'm old!!!) and can distictly remember me and my morbid mates really had to fight the urge to make the short trip up there (yeah... I'm an old sicko!!!) Decency eventually prevented us.... but we did thrive on all the rumours of buildings in Bristol that Fred was involved in... although even we were dubious when things with publicly visible dates of 1893, 1775, 1680 etc were being mentioned!!! 🤣🤣🤣
I lived in the county of Avon. Still see it sometimes as people forget it changed to north somerset.
In Northamptonshire there is a village called Earls Barton and the next village along is Saxon for farm of Doddas people
@@lawrencemcginley9937
In Suffolk - along the main road from / to the town of 'Bury St.Edmunds' - is the village of
'Great Barton'. It has a Main Street of just six houses, and a Newsagents, and the rest of the village spreads out all around the 'Main (High?) Street' on both sides.
There is also a celebrated racehorse Stud there ('Great Barton Stud') where years ago, the _Aga Khan_ kept his racehorses, back in the day (1960's - 1970's at least).
My late Mum's Aunt and her family lived there (not at the Stud!!) and they had a huge garden and greenhouses where they grew their own veg, had fruit trees etc...
Cousin Donald also had a boat which he fished from - probably in 'The Wash' - so they were fairly self-sufficient, other than meats and poultry, which they would either bus into to Bury S.E to buy, or buy from nearby farms to fill their larders (and freezers) to compliment their homegrown fare... (They may've even kept chickens themselves, but I don't remember seeing any in their garden).
I haven't lived a 'country lifestyle' full time, but am aware, more than at least some other 'townies' that it can be a hard, yet satisfying life... Better with the "mod-cons" of the twentieth century, of course, and, I assume much improved nowadays (hopefully).
I haven't been there since the '70's, and expect Mum's 'Cousin Donald' (an ex-roofer) may have already passed on, as his wife 'Aunt Doris' had already done so, before my Mum* did in Oct.2015, age 98_yrs+7mnths*.
jay foreman is the go to for maps, and words
The only times I know of when 'Shire' is pronounced 'Shy-a' are when saying 'Shire/Shires' as a standalone word, the surname 'Shires' and those heavy horses known as 'Shire horses' as it's accented - on the end of county names (eg. Hampshire or Wiltshire) it's not accented and pronounced 'sha'.
Or sheer. I'm from Lankysheer.
I was born and bred in East Yorkshire in the medievil town of Beverley I am a Tyke ..I belong to the House of York and I wear the White Rose with pride if you want plain speaking folk then Yorkshire is the place to be we speak as we see and we dont care if we please or offend LOL
"Hear all, see all, say nowt! Eat all, drink all, pay nowt!" 😅🤣😂
Sophistication? Don't talk to me about sophistication! I've BEEN to Leeds.
My family live in Leicestershire but their mail address has a Derbyshire post code. At one point their address involved references to Staffordshire town as well because they live near the borders with both other counties.
Generally, yes we are aware of the Counties variable status.
It is relatively complicated. Take my situation: I live in the City of Bristol, which politically is split into 4 constituencies (none of whcih are counties) and the area aroudn it is often referred to the County of Avon... However realistically it is somewhat split between the Counties of North Somerset (southern Bristol) and South Gloucestershire (northern Bristol). Even more confusingly,. some maps have the Avon area listed and showing, but no 'link' to what the area is... To add, the council taxes are governed by the City of Bristol, but the municipals (such as road repairs etc) are mostly controlled by the two main Counties... which can easily be seen when seeing the quality of roads and how quick road repairs are done when comparing the north and south of Bristol City
Avon ceased to exist 28 years ago, on its 24th birthday. It's been out of existence longer than it existed! It shouldn't be on maps. Even the Combined Authority (created 2017, but doesn't include North Somerset) named itself 'West of England', rather than Avon, because people don't like that name.
The City of Bristol is an administrative county in its own right - covering a lot of suburbs (as far out as Hengrove, Ashton Vale, Bedminster Down, Withywood, Avonmouth, Henbury, Lockleaze, Speedwell, Brislington and Stockwood). It has about 480k people in it - more than 1.5 times South Gloucestershire's 300k (BANES 200k, N Somerset 220k) - it is the main county of that urban area and is even a county for the purposes of the Lieutenancy Act 1996 (commonly called 'Ceremonial Counties').
It doesn't, however, control the whole urban area - the northern and eastern edge of the urban area (Filton, Frenchay, Kingswood, Hanham) is in the administrative county of South Gloucestershire (ceremonially Gloucestershire). A tiny bit of the urban area to the south (Whitechurch) is in the county Bath and North East Somerset and some very nearby towns and villages are North Somerset (both those two are ceremonially Somerset). This is where the difference in road repairs come in.
*the second-smallest in England by area, beating the only other English city that is also, ceremonially, a county: the City of London.
... 28 years after it was abolished and we *still* can't put the correct county on any order form online which has a drop-down box. You can find 'Avon' but not North Somerset, Bath and North-East Somerset or South Gloucestershire. Living in the first-named, I just put in 'Somerset' and my delivery still gets to my door...
Map men are goated
I’m 48 years old and have lived in the same town all my life. Yet I’ve lived in 3 different counties Somerset, Avon and then North Somerset 😂 x
Sorry everyone, but I win the “crazy English place name” game being played here.
I live in Waterley Bottom.
The English brought the custom to the colonies. Mount Little Dick is my favourite 😅
I'm from Hampshire in the south, my little town Gosport has its own microclimate and 2 beaches. Right opposite the Isle of Wight I love living 5 mins walk from the beach.
1:56 I think all of the “-shire”s are counties
Yes. County is Norman.
Shire is Anglo-Saxon
Oh dear... "Dur_ham" ... 😢
🎵Durum durum durum durum durum durum durum daaaaa duh duh duh
(Pink Panther)🎵😊😅😂❤🏴💕🇬🇧🖖
Hahaha!
Kansas - Arkansas ? All places can confuse!!
Tyler. It's good to see you are now finally crediting the sources and sometimes even replying to comments, too... but one starts to wonder whether you have seen the videos you're reacting 'fresh' to beforehand when you constantly cue up the start of your reactions a good way in rather than from the actual start. (And/or even chop off the end prematurely too, such as with this one). I mean, the other day, you started two minutes in to a video... so, you're not watching the video beforehand to see it's worth a reaction first are you? Surely not... because that would make the 'live' reaction rather fake wouldn't it? ....Bueller?
Oooooh...there's Leicestershire, Oxfordshire, Rutland and Warwickshire
Northamptonshire is next door
Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire, Norfolk and Lincolnshire
Huntingdonshire, there's more, like
Like Suffolk and Essex and Surrey and Sussex
And Nottinghamshire in the centre
Devon and Cornwall and Dorset and Somerset
Kent, and what comes after Kent? Er...
Westmorland, Cumberland, also Northumberland
And County Durham below
There's Lancashire, Gloucestershirе, Derbyshire, Cheshirе
Eleven more counties to go
Shropshire and Staffordshire, Berkshire and Hampshire
And Herefordshire next to Wales
There's Hertfordshire, Middlesex, Worcestershire, Wiltshire
And Yorkshire with all of the dales
And Buckinghamshire's the end of the list
There's no need to sing anymore
'Cause we're not doing Scotland or Wales
Or new ones invented in 1974
As if! Wingerworth is where my family live. We go there for Xmas to catch up every year! Tiny little village outside Chesterfield in Derbyshire 😂. Never thought I'd hear it mentioned in a video, EVER! ❤
Edit: NOOOO! I went to college in Rutland too. Oakham specifically, lol. 😂
Yes, I can remember 1972 as if it was 1972, where in fact in USA years it was nearly two hundred years ago...
I grew up in Wingerworth.
"Don't tell me that this is a thing, where England hasn't decided how many counties it has", I am starting to love this American Guy, and if he ever wants to live on these benighted shores. I would 100% adopt him so he can get a passport without having to pay the £6.84 a UK passport now costs on the black market (despite it being blue)
That's when you know weird it is in the UK sometimes..... when the black market documentation is a fraction of the cost of the legitimate ones... and probably of a higher quality!!! My recent passport renewal actually fell apart in the post to me-had to send it back for a replacement...Haha!
But agree-Tyler seems pretty decent.... and I hope if he ever does come over to the UK, he does it for long enough to see more than just London There's loads to do, and lots of history... but by lord-it'd be like doing a visit of all the US -bu only seeing NYC and LA. And he'd miss all the genuine friendliness and interest of UK folk.... because large parts of the 'touristy' London areas are definitely not the most welcoming of places to anyone-even if they do have the 'Landmarks'. I say this as someone born and bred there!!!
There's an awful lot in that video that I didn't know. For instance, I didn't realise you don't have to include the county in a postal address anymore. I live in a town called Christchurch which is in either the county of Dorset or Hampshire, depending on what map you're looking at, I suppose. I also lived in Bath which used to be in the county of Avon, but is now in Somerset. I don't even think Avon exists anymore.
Administratively it's in the county of 'Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole'. Avon ceased to exist in 1996 after just 24 years.
Ooh. Tyler remembered Yorkshire pudding, (and pronounced it right 😀
The video the Map Men (or Jay Foreman's channel) do about pronouncing British names is funny, and addresses some things you usually mispronounce. There is also the one by English Jade about the names of English towns.
I live in Bristol, Gloucestershire, Avon or South Gloucestershire depending on who you ask
Let me confuse you further, my brother and I were born in the same ward of the same hospital (even the next bed!), he was born in 1975, I was born in 1972. I was born in Lancashire, but he was born in Cheshire, all down to County border changes.
Widnes or Warrington?
@sihollett Warrington
I'm from Shrewsbury you probably know it from Charles Darwin
I'm in Kent, NR Rochester, the garden of England. Also part of the home counties.
Am also in Kent, Isle of Sheppey. Hi neighbour!!
@moonshayde mate I was born in minster hospital 😂
Small world 🌍😁
Shrewsbury is in Shropshire , it is our County Town .Shropshire is the most least populated land locked County in the Uk , very rural we like it that way 😂.
And there is an ongoing “Shrowsbury” , Shrewsbury pronunciation.Most locals say Shrewsbury and get quite annoyed when people pronounce it “Shrowsbury” .Also the birthplace of Charles Darwin .
The small village I live in was once part of Wales until England pinched it back so the village name is actually of Welsh origin.Then you go 4 miles down the road in Wales and then back into the UK , all very confusing 😂.
Each county has its own cricket teams, that's the only real rivalry. From Yorkshire
Most don't: no Staffordshire, no Cumbria, no Cornwall, etc. etc........
They do some great vids
Ww2 planes/ships were named after counties ,you got the lancaster bomber,the exeter,cheshire,Hampshire, belfast ships as well
Well, it’s a bit more complicated and precise. For example, you have the town and county class cruisers the Belfast and Exeter being town class and the Devonshire and Kent being county class. The bomber aircraft were named after major towns and cities such as the Manchester, Lancaster and Halifax.
Im about 4 miles from Wingerworth. Not many people call it that. They call it Wingworth. The people around it. Last I focused on it, for my websites, ther are 83 counties in GB, eng, Ire, Scot, Wales. Its not complicated. Youve only heard of the ones that have been stmped on, as you say, famous things. Lancaster Bomber for instance. Robbin Hood Nottingham etc.
Where I live on the wirral, our address varies slightly between the local council, Royal mail and business databases that mess it up more by incorrectly say we are Merseyside. We have a Cheshire postcode, not the Merseyside postcode.
1:58 absolutely no city or town ends in “shire”. A shire is always going to be a county.
1:41 : bless, only an American would think that Kenya is part of Yorkshire
In practice to get around all you need is the Postcode (zip code), put it into your car’s GPS and it will lead you where you want to go. Put it at the end of an address and Royal Mail will deliver it. Every town has its council office, they can help you pay your taxes etc. But, never never mix up Yorkshire and Lancashire or Devon and Cornwall !!!
I was born in Gateshead Durham in 1965. Then at 1972 lived in Gateshead Tyne & Wear.
When you include all the parts of Yorkshire, it is the largest county in England. As a result, Yorkshire folk like to say that if Scotland can have independence, then so can Yorkshire 🙂
The Administrative Counties and their subdivisions ARE very relevant to people. These are the local authorities who run the services like education, police, fire services, refuse collection, local road maintenance, and so on, and raise local taxes to pay for them. So the particular services you can receive depend on which local authority you live in, and what their priorities are.
The ceremonial counties are of emotional importance to many of the inhabitants, and the postal counties often confuse the hell out of people who live near the borders and have a different postal address to the county in which they live.
Counties matter a lot to many of us. Where I live, Marple, is as far as I'm concerned, Cheshire before, Cheshire now, Cheshire forever, despite the Government saying we are not and trying to say we are in the mythical Greater Manchester. Never underestimate the loyalty a great many people feel to their historic county. It's worth looking at Wikishire, which includes a detailed map of the historic counties.
6:04 it’s pronounced “Derrum”
I used to live in a town called Alsager which is geographically in Cheshire but in the postal county of Stoke-on-Trent, which itself isn't a county but a unitary city conurbation in Staffordshire.
Make it make sense.
Random is the last word I'd associate with a Jay Foreman video!! Please react to more of his stuff, he does the best content on youtube
In medieval times Kent was partitioned into East Kent (Jutes from Denmark) and West Kent (Saxons from Germany). Even today there is an East Kent Health Authority and a West Kent Health Authority, there are other various equivalents.
Being born in East Kent I am a 'Man of Kent'. Those born in West Kent are 'Kentish Men'.
Most of the counties names and general area go even further back than King Aethelstan, each shire was also an an important indicator of military force. The ealdormen (later “Earls” from the Scandinavian “Jarl”) were expected to to be able to raise an army from the freemen and Thegns (like knights) of their respective shire. That goes back to the proto-kingdoms of the early Saxons from the 6th century.